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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / November 2008

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krp - 10 Nov 2008 09:47 GMT
Everyone knows the Willys Jeep. How many remember the Willys cars?
Especially the Willys Aero and Willys Bermuda of the 50's? Maybe you saw a
52 Willys Aero in the film Back to the Future?
Roger Blake - 10 Nov 2008 11:43 GMT
>     Everyone knows the Willys Jeep. How many remember the Willys cars?
> Especially the Willys Aero and Willys Bermuda of the 50's? Maybe you saw a
> 52 Willys Aero in the film Back to the Future?

I do remember them, though at this point they only seem to turn up
at car shows. Can't even remember when I've last seen one on the
road. Didn't the Aero tooling wind up in South America?

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krp - 10 Nov 2008 14:50 GMT
>>     Everyone knows the Willys Jeep. How many remember the Willys cars?
>> Especially the Willys Aero and Willys Bermuda of the 50's? Maybe you saw
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> at car shows. Can't even remember when I've last seen one on the
> road. Didn't the Aero tooling wind up in South America?

Almost ALL the Kaiser tooling went to South America. They kept making the 55
Kaiser in Argentina as the "Carabella" into the late 60's, The Willys went
on for a few years and was redesigned. The redesign was cool too. They never
sold well. They were very good little cars in their day.
Roger Blake - 10 Nov 2008 16:27 GMT
> Almost ALL the Kaiser tooling went to South America. They kept making the 55
> Kaiser in Argentina as the "Carabella" into the late 60's, ...

As I recall they also made a version of the mid-1960s Rambler
American in Argentina called the "Torino," which was restyled, had
an upgraded interior, and was equipped with Kaiser's OHC inline
six. (The only place I've ever seen those engines in the U.S.  is
in early Jeep Wagoneers.)

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krp - 11 Nov 2008 01:25 GMT
>> Almost ALL the Kaiser tooling went to South America. They kept making the
>> 55
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> six. (The only place I've ever seen those engines in the U.S.  is
> in early Jeep Wagoneers.)

The Kaiser 226 inline 6 (L Head) was made by Continental Motors. Indeed when
they stopped making the Kaisers, the plant was sold to AMC who made cars
there. They ended production on both the Willys and Kaisers sometime in the
later 60's as I recall.
Roger Blake - 11 Nov 2008 14:55 GMT
> The Kaiser 226 inline 6 (L Head) was made by Continental Motors. Indeed when
> they stopped making the Kaisers, the plant was sold to AMC who made cars
> there. They ended production on both the Willys and Kaisers sometime in the
> later 60's as I recall.

Kaiser Jeep went on a bit longer in the U.S., AMC bought them out in 1972
as I recall.

The early Jeep Wagoneer came standard with an overhead-cam inline six.
This was a 230 CID mill that was developed by Kaiser to replace the
old Continental 226. I'm pretty sure this was the first OHC engine to be
offered by a U.S. manufacturer since Crosley. (They beat out the Pontiac
OHC six by a few years.)

Here's a little info on the Rambler Torino -- Kaiser, Renault, AMC,
and Pinanfarina were all involved:

 http://jalopnik.com/cars/retro/rambler-rogue-no-renault-torino-239271.php

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krp - 12 Nov 2008 07:34 GMT
>> The Kaiser 226 inline 6 (L Head) was made by Continental Motors. Indeed
>> when
>> they stopped making the Kaisers, the plant was sold to AMC who made cars
>> there. They ended production on both the Willys and Kaisers sometime in
>> the
>> later 60's as I recall.

> Kaiser Jeep went on a bit longer in the U.S., AMC bought them out in 1972
> as I recall.

Yes.

> The early Jeep Wagoneer came standard with an overhead-cam inline six.
> This was a 230 CID mill that was developed by Kaiser to replace the
> old Continental 226. I'm pretty sure this was the first OHC engine to be
> offered by a U.S. manufacturer since Crosley. (They beat out the Pontiac
> OHC six by a few years.)

   Kaiser never offerd any engine but the 226 in the United States. The
exception to that was 50 cars builkt with the Oldsmobile V-8, but Edgar
Kaiser ordered all those cars destroyed. Kaiser used the overhead valve 6 in
Argentina not the U.S. as I recall. They tried to pep up the 226 with a
McCullough supercharger in late 54 and 55 models. It wasn't enough.
Roger Blake - 12 Nov 2008 11:29 GMT
>     Kaiser never offerd any engine but the 226 in the United States. The

If you are talking cars, yes. But the Kaiser-Jeep Wagoneer of the early
1960s came equipped with the 230 CID "Tornado" OHC engine, which was
developed in-house. I've seen those engines in early Wagoneers.

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krp - 13 Nov 2008 02:10 GMT
>>     Kaiser never offerd any engine but the 226 in the United States. The
>
> If you are talking cars, yes. But the Kaiser-Jeep Wagoneer of the early
> 1960s came equipped with the 230 CID "Tornado" OHC engine, which was
> developed in-house. I've seen those engines in early Wagoneers.

   Ah the Jeep yes.I am not 100% sure of the genesis of that engine.
Refinish King - 11 Nov 2008 02:46 GMT
I've had the pleasure to see them in person:

But, of course that was way back in the 60's.

RK
>    Everyone knows the Willys Jeep. How many remember the Willys cars?
> Especially the Willys Aero and Willys Bermuda of the 50's? Maybe you saw a
> 52 Willys Aero in the film Back to the Future?
krp - 11 Nov 2008 10:38 GMT
> I've had the pleasure to see them in person:
>
> But, of course that was way back in the 60's.

I have only seen photos of the South American cars.

>>    Everyone knows the Willys Jeep. How many remember the Willys cars?
>> Especially the Willys Aero and Willys Bermuda of the 50's? Maybe you saw
>> a 52 Willys Aero in the film Back to the Future?
WW - 27 Nov 2008 17:23 GMT
>    Everyone knows the Willys Jeep. How many remember the Willys cars?
> Especially the Willys Aero and Willys Bermuda of the 50's? Maybe you saw a
> 52 Willys Aero in the film Back to the Future?
>
>I had a 1940 Willys coupe. Bored the engine .060. Ported and relieved valve
>area. Took .060
off of head. (flat head) . Installed larger tire size for clearance. This
was my JEEP for bad roads.
Speedometer only went to 80MPH indcated reading so I don't know what flat
out speed was.
Wish I still had it. Warren.
krp - 27 Nov 2008 18:35 GMT
>>    Everyone knows the Willys Jeep. How many remember the Willys cars?
>> Especially the Willys Aero and Willys Bermuda of the 50's? Maybe you saw
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> out speed was.
> Wish I still had it. Warren.

The 40's Willys coupe was #1 for a long time to cram a 426 Hemi into and
drag race.
 
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