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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / General Car Topics / March 2009decent wide whitewall sought for 1992 Cadillac Brougham d'Elegance
First of all: NOT COKER. Their tire for P225/75R15 is only rated 540- BB, and a "B" traction rating means I'll slip and slide this classic American car, a 1992 Cadillac Brougham d'Elegance, all over the place, especially when I move to the extraordinarily wet Southern Florida circa the end of this year. Trouble is, the Firestone FR721 has been out of production for a long while. That was the last 'decent' rated wide (1" or more) whitewall tire I used to be able to find. AND: look at tirerack.com and only the Kumho Solus KR21 pops up as a P225/75R15 tire for sale. This 'old man' tire size is becoming tougher to pick up. So does anyone know of or recommend a brand and place where I can pick up at a reasonable price this size tire for this particular car? Coker is too expensive and like I said, some of the slightly less outrageously-priced tires have abysmal treadwear, traction and temperature ratings; really they're more like "show tires" and I intend to use this car full-time before too long. Thanks. > First of all: NOT COKER. Their tire for P225/75R15 is only rated 540- > BB, and a "B" traction [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Thanks. Tire traction will be the least of your worries in south Florida. That baby will rust away long before she skids... > Tire traction will be the least of your worries in south Florida. That baby > will rust away long before she skids... That's BS. Cars do way better there than in the Northeast where they dump butt-loads of salt on the roads. Cars in S. FL looks great 50 years old. >> Tire traction will be the least of your worries in south Florida. That >> baby [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > butt-loads of salt on the roads. Cars in S. FL looks great 50 years > old. Not if you live near the coast, especially the Atlantic beaches. > Not if you live near the coast, especially the Atlantic beaches. Wrong again. Ever been there? Cars look spectacular there. Used to live within a mile of the beach in Boca. >> Not if you live near the coast, especially the Atlantic beaches. > > Wrong again. Ever been there? Cars look spectacular there. > Used to live within a mile of the beach in Boca. Maybe cars are built better these days. I had relatives living near Homestead in the 60's. The warm, most salt air was so pernicious that even the glass and aluminum on cars would rust ;-) Most every vehicle in the condo parking lot was a total rust bucket... When I was a kid, my father was too cheap to buy whitewalls. He'd buy cheap tires, then purchase a paint of some kind from the auto parts store that allowed him to paint whitewalls on the existing tires. If you're up for doing it and they still make the stuff, this might be a reasonable way to get a wide whitewall. --scott  Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >> Tire traction will be the least of your worries in south Florida. That baby >> will rust away long before she skids... > > That's BS. > Cars do way better there than in the Northeast where they dump > butt-loads of salt on the roads. True, but not as true now that they've switched to other salts besides NaCl for road salting. > Cars in S. FL looks great 50 years > old. That's a gross exaggeration. Coastal regions, including S. Florida, put a *lot* of salt into cars and cause a lot of corrosion. Particularly pre-90s cars. Anyone know what the GT Maxtour tire is? A local dealer is trying to encourage me to buy this tire ($489 including all installation charges). But I've never heard of this tire. It's allegedly a Goodyear brand but info on it is scarce. >Anyone know what the GT Maxtour tire is? > >A local dealer is trying to encourage me to buy this tire >($489 including all installation charges). But I've never heard >of this tire. It's allegedly a Goodyear brand but info on it is >scarce. All tires are required to have a manufacturers code molded/stamped into the sidewall somewhere. If it's made by Goodyear it will have the Goodyear code. Google and you should be able to find a list of codes. It's unlikely you'll find much info on these oddball "off-branded" tires. Goodyear probably makes that same tire under many different names for many different independent tire stores. I have bought these sorts of off-brand tires in the past and never had any particular problem, some have been quite good. > First of all: NOT COKER. Their tire for P225/75R15 is only rated 540- > BB, and a "B" traction [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Thanks. you could try diamondback; I believe that they will make any tire into a whitewall. Of course then you are relying on *them* for your warranty not the original mfgr. of your tire - but you could, theoretically, have say a BFG T/A wide white, which is sort of what I'm envisioning that you're looking for. http://www.dbtires.com/ I'm not aware of any major manufacturer of tires still making wide whites, even the wider-than-thin-white-stripe type as opposed to what most people think of as "wide whites" which are all the way to the rim. A lot of caddys seem to be rocking Vogues now, although I think the white-and-gold stripes just look kind of weird. BTW, what happened to Avon? I was just doing a quick web search of all the tire mfgrs. that I could think of off the top of my head to make sure I wasn't forgetting something, and they seem to only be doing motorcycle tires now? Oh, and just for the record, I can't envision me putting wide whites on... well... anything. But your car, your money... nate N8N <njnagel@hotmail.com> wrote in news:fb17f8df-cea5-4e48-a013- 671933d4ec0f@a12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com: > I'm not aware of any major manufacturer of tires still making wide > whites, even the wider-than-thin-white-stripe type as opposed to what > most people think of as "wide whites" which are all the way to the > rim. A while ago I saw a 1940 Buick with what appeared to be add-on whitewalls. These were very thin white rubber skins that were curved to match the tire, and were somehow held on to the actual blackwall tire. From a distance, they looked like true wide whitewalls. Anybody still make these? SignatureTegger > BTW, what happened to Avon? There are still some Avon tires for car listed at tirerack.com http://www.dbtires.com/pricelist_13_14_15_DiamondBack3-BFG-Radial-TA_LS5_Micheli nMX_AS4_Custom42.htm http://www.whitewallcandystore.com/Specs.asp http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=wide+white+wall+tires&aq=0&oq=wide+white http://www.petepaulsen.com/Catalogofwheels/WideWhiteWallTires/Wide%20White%20Wal l%20Tires.htm On Mar 17, 9:35 pm, thenited...@yahoo.com wrote: > http://www.petepaulsen.com/Catalogofwheels/WideWhiteWallTires/Wide%20... Thanks for the links. But they're all so damned EXPENSIVE! Firestone FR721s used to be about $71 apiece. What happened to them? Are they coming back? > On Mar 17, 9:35 pm, thenited...@yahoo.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > What happened to them? > Are they coming back? When's the last time you bought "specialty" tires? The Derfer <derf109@gmail.com> wrote in news:fa767fe7-928d-40bb-a925- 4f50c3d5260e@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com: > Thanks for the links. > But they're all so damned EXPENSIVE! > Firestone FR721s used to be about $71 apiece. In what year's dollars? Continuous currency debasement by the government over the years means those dollars get a LOT smaller as time goes by, so you need more of them to buy the same thing. Do you still earn $25 per day? SignatureTegger > > Thanks for the links. > > But they're all so damned EXPENSIVE! > > Firestone FR721s used to be about $71 apiece. > > In what year's dollars? The FR721 was $71 in P235/75R15 (bigger than my car needs) and that was only 4 years ago. Maybe $90 I could understand today but not 200. What happened (trend-wise) that whitewalls are no longer in style? Years ago practically all cars has whitewall tires. Now hardly any do. Are people just lazy and they don't want to clean them? (True: those "tire shine" products do only that; they don't really CLEAN much of anything, certainly not a white wall). >On Mar 17, 9:35 pm, thenited...@yahoo.com wrote: >> http://www.petepaulsen.com/Catalogofwheels/WideWhiteWallTires/Wide%20... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >What happened to them? >Are they coming back? Firestone has the FR380 still which has a whitewall though not a huge one. Decent price. Kauffman tire has them under their private label as well. I don't think anyone outside the specialty shops have a wide white anymore.... Sucks for those of us with old cars. Steve B. Does anyone know if the Toyo Spectrum in P225/75R15 has a decent-sized whitewall? Can't find pictures of that exact size. > Does anyone know if the Toyo Spectrum in P225/75R15 has a > decent-sized whitewall? Can't find pictures of that exact size. No, but a 225/70-15 Sumitomo HTR-200 has quite a wide whitewall. It's well over an inch in width, looks like it takes up almost one-third of the sidewall. It's definitely on the wider side of whitewalls that I've seen, short of the full deal. I know it's a bit smaller than what you're looking for, although the load rating should be fine. It's got very good traction in dry and wet, and it's pretty quite. Downsides include zippo traction in snow or on wet grass/mud, and I find it wears fairly quickly. It's the OEM size for my '78 Trans Am (well, it's the closest equivalent to a GR70-15) and I'm on my second set of them. Tire Rack used to sell them; I don't know who carries them these days. ....Ed Can't find those anywhere. Might be discontinued. > No, but a 225/70-15 Sumitomo HTR-200 has quite a wide whitewall. It's > well over an inch in width, looks like it takes up almost one-third of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ....Ed > > No, but a 225/70-15 Sumitomo HTR-200 has quite a wide whitewall. It's > > well over an inch in width, looks like it takes up almost one-third of > > the sidewall. > > Can't find those anywhere. Might be discontinued. They're still in Sumitomo's catalogue: http://www.sumitomotire.com/catalogs/pdf/Sumitomo_Passenger.pdf on page 7. The "slim" whitewall is a lot more than slim. I have the whitewalls inside, because it's a Trans Am.) You could try asking Sumitomo who might carry it. Tire Rack still had some stock available when I got the second set a few years ago. I'm in Canada, and I'm pretty sure that I could never get this size locally. I wonder what inspired Sumitomo to make this tire; is there some performance/luxury Japanese car that takes these tires? ....Ed |
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