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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Camaro / February 2007

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79 z28 fuel pump pushrod dropped

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rthomas@iname.com - 17 Jan 2007 01:42 GMT
Hi -  I am changing out my Z's fuel pump because near as I can tell it
is bad, it would supply my Quadrajet with no gas at all. When I pulled
the old pump off the push road dropped all the way down and I do not
know how to raise it again to get the pump finger back underneath it.

The autoparts store supplied me with a new pump, but I see it has only
two connections, not three. Is this the wrong pump? I am guessing the
missing connection is the return line to the tank?

Any and all help is appreciated

Thank-you
Gary - KQ6RT - 17 Jan 2007 04:02 GMT
First, yes, you have the wrong pump. You need one with the return line.

Second, what do you mean by dropped down? Do you mean it slid out against
the sheet metal mounting plate? If that's the case there is a trick to
holding it in place until you mount the pump. There is a bolt hole in the
front of the block that lines up with the push rod. It may be used to mount
an accessory to the front of the block, or it may just have a bolt in place
for no apparent purpose. This was originally used for the front motor mounts
on the 55-57 Chevys. The bolt hole goes all the way through the front of the
block. If you temporarily use a longer bolt in the hole, you can pin the
pushrod in place while you mount the pump. Make sure you put the original
bolt back in place with plenty of permatex on the threads when your done.

Gary
> Hi -  I am changing out my Z's fuel pump because near as I can tell it
> is bad, it would supply my Quadrajet with no gas at all. When I pulled
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>
> Thank-you
rthomas@iname.com - 17 Jan 2007 18:07 GMT
> First, yes, you have the wrong pump. You need one with the return line.
>
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> >
> > Thank-you

Yep, it slid down and hit the plate, I had seen the plate there mounted
with 2 bolts , but was not going to tear down any farther until I had
advice and the correct pump.
When remounting that plate, does it need any sealer on the side mounted
to the block?
The pump has it's own gasket of course, should I seal that gasket too?
With what?
When I was 19, (I'm 38 now) I used some type of sealer that came in a
small container (with a indian head on it maybe?) I think the sealer
was brown, and thin.
Thanks for you help -
Rich
Gary - KQ6RT - 18 Jan 2007 22:46 GMT
I remember the Indian Head gasket sealer too. I've never used it myself, but
I saw some in the store not too long ago. I think it's pretty simular to
Permatex.

There should be a gasket that goes between the plate and the block. If you
can't find one, just use RTV.

Gary

>> First, yes, you have the wrong pump. You need one with the return line.
>>
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> Thanks for you help -
> Rich
Big Al - 19 Jan 2007 03:43 GMT
> Yep, it slid down and hit the plate, I had seen the plate there mounted
> with 2 bolts , but was not going to tear down any farther until I had
> advice and the correct pump.

I've done this a hundred times and never had to remove the plate. Just put
your finger in there and work it up. When you put a bolt in the front hole
to hold the rod, be easy. You don't want to score the rod. There is a
special bolt for this with a plastic tip. If you just tighten the bolt
enough to hold the rod it will be fine.

Al
Gary - KQ6RT - 19 Jan 2007 04:01 GMT
> to hold the rod, be easy. You don't want to score the rod. There is a
> special bolt for this with a plastic tip. If you just tighten the bolt
> enough to hold the rod it will be fine.

No more than finger tight!

Gary
69SScamaro - 19 Jan 2007 20:15 GMT
> Hi -  I am changing out my Z's fuel pump because near as I can tell it
> is bad, it would supply my Quadrajet with no gas at all. When I pulled
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>
> Thank-you

To get it back up I always used a paper clip bent to slid down under the
bottom of it and get it up until I could push it all the way back up. Then
as mentioned put a longer   3/8" bolt in the upper hole in the front of the
block  (after you remove the short one) finger tight just enough to hold it
in place and don't forget to take it back out and reinstall original with
some kind of sealer on it when done.
Good Luck
rthomas@iname.com - 24 Jan 2007 03:19 GMT
OK the pushrod and new pump are connected, I still have no gas. I have
the line disconnected from the carb and it's pushing no fuel.

Anybody have a theory besides the possible obvious - a plugged  line.

No sign of any fuel under the car, no sign of any fuel being drawn.

> <rtho...@iname.com> wrote in messagenews:1168998160.780099.310020@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
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> some kind of sealer on it when done.
> Good Luck
rthomas@iname.com - 24 Jan 2007 03:21 GMT
OK the pushrod and new pump are connected, I still have no gas. I have
the line disconnected from the carb and it's pushing no fuel.

Anybody have a theory besides the possible obvious - a plugged  line.

No sign of any fuel under the car, no sign of any fuel being drawn.

> <rtho...@iname.com> wrote in messagenews:1168998160.780099.310020@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
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> some kind of sealer on it when done.
> Good Luck
Gary - KQ6RT - 25 Jan 2007 01:36 GMT
Try a new fuel filter and also follow the line back all the way to the tank
replacing any questionable pieces of rubber hose you may find.

> OK the pushrod and new pump are connected, I still have no gas. I have
> the line disconnected from the carb and it's pushing no fuel.
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>> some kind of sealer on it when done.
>> Good Luck
rthomas@iname.com - 26 Jan 2007 19:09 GMT
I disconnected from the gas tank and used a gas can instead, it is not
drawing from the can either.
On Jan 24, 8:36 pm, "Gary - KQ6RT" <kq6rt(NoMoreSpam)@sbcglobal.net>
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> Try a new fuel filter and also follow the line back all the way to the tank
> replacing any questionable pieces of rubber hose you may find.
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> >> some kind of sealer on it when done.
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69SScamaro - 27 Jan 2007 15:04 GMT
Dumb question but does it run if you put gas in the carb ? Just making sure
it does run and didn't lose a timing chain completely. As long as the cam is
turning and the lobe is not wiped out on the fuel pump lobe on the cam,
there is almost no explanation of why it won't pump from a can. Not being
smart but are you sure you are hooked to the inlet on the pump ?  Also are
you sure the rod didn't drop back down and the pump went on anyway ? Did you
do the bolt from the front method to reinstall ? if so did you take the long
one back out ? if not maybe that is holding the rod in the fully extended
position.

> I disconnected from the gas tank and used a gas can instead, it is not
> drawing from the can either.
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>> >> some kind of sealer on it when done.
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Big Al - 02 Feb 2007 01:31 GMT
> I disconnected from the gas tank and used a gas can instead, it is not
> drawing from the can either.

Two possibilities: Bad pump, hole in a line between the pump and the rear of
the car. I'm assuming you did not hook the pump up backwards? The fuel pump
will pump air, is air coming out of the fuel line to the carb.?

Al
 
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