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<http://www.saveongasmormpg.myffi.biz/> <http://www.saveongasmormpg.myffi.biz/> As Promised, even if you don't buy my product at least follow these helpful tips and secrets. IT WILL HELP US ALL SAVE IN THE LONG RUN! 1. Anticipate, use your brakes less, and don't accelerate quickly. Look far down the road ahead, even if "far" means half a city block. Get into position for turn-lanes smoothly and early so that you don't have to accelerate to get in front of traffic. Remember that the guy who leaves the stoplight the quickest also pays more at the pump. Anticipate stops or slow-downs ahead and take your foot off the gas: try to coast much more than you brake. See a long train at the RR crossing ahead? Get your foot off the gas immediately. You can idle forward in Drive for a long way (without braking), for ~30% less fuel than sitting in Drive, and nearly the same fuel use as sitting in Park. Remember: any additional distance you coast will save fuel and extend your brake-pad life.
2. Minimize idling, and idle smart: Engines only need 10 to 30 seconds for warm-up, and idling your engine for more than a minute typically costs more fuel than re-starting it. So avoid the drive-thru lines at the bank and the fast-food shop: instead of sitting in line, park and go inside. BUT, when you must idle with an automatic transmission, put the transmission in Neutral or Park while you're waiting: this will cut your fuel usage at idle by 15-35% depending on the vehicle. If you have a manual transmission, don't use the clutch to keep from rolling back - use the brake. This will save fuel and extend your clutch life.
3. Use Cruise Control. It's proven to save fuel. But here's a secret... it's not just for cruising. Using the "Resume" button on your cruise control can be a handy compromise to provide reasonable acceleration times that don't irritate drivers behind you, without wasting excessive fuel.
4. Overdrive and gear selection. If you have an automatic with Overdrive, use the Overdrive. If you have a manual transmission, shift early to keep engine rpm's lower and be sure to use the highest gear for highway cruising.
5. Slow down. As you increase speed above 60 mph, wind resistance starts increasing dramatically as a percentage of total fuel consumption. Estimates are that every mile over 60 mph costs you 1% in fuel economy. In other words, when you speed, you're paying more at the gas pump.
6. Watch your tire choice. Replacing your tires/wheels with wider and/or taller ones may look awesome, but keep in mind that your choice could have a 1 to 3% penalty in fuel economy... or even more in extreme cases like "monster truck" tires/wheels.
7. Carefully consider your route and the time of day: traffic flow is a huge factor. For example, see the picture to the right. Those vehicle-following-distances are typical of traffic in many large cities. If this highway traffic is stop-and-go, fuel economy will be bad. On the other extreme, if the traffic is moving smoothly and fast (at 60 - 80 mph), then your fuel economy is going to be superb: those rushing vehicles create a jet-stream of air which dramatically reduces your wind-drag losses - 10 to 30% improvements are possible. For maximum fuel economy, follow a larger vehicle and use your cruise control (just bump speed up/down 1 mph to adjust). Also, keep in mind the wind direction: if there's a strong wind blowing in from the right, and you drive in the right lane, you get no break in wind resistance.
8. Plan and Combine errands to make fewer trips. Think like your great-grandparents did. Plan meals and grocery shop once a week or twice a month; just make a list of other errands during the week, plan your route, and do it all on the same day. Dropping off the kids at practice? Arrange with other parents to carpool or to pick them up for you. Such planning may seem like work at first, but it will give you more free time, help you relax, and can improve your average fuel economy by 5 to 15%. It can also cut your average weekly mileage by 20% or more. Total dollar potential: save 10-35% of monthly fuel costs. How does this help fuel economy? During the first several miles while warming up, the engine and transmission are not operating at full efficiency. This is why city fuel economy can drop dramatically in cold weather, when it can take 10 miles for the transmission to warm up. Automatic transmissions in particular can be huge power hogs when fluid is cold (hot/cold temperatures are one of many reasons to use a full-synthetic 100,000-mile transmission fluid - see more on this below), and manual transmissions can feel like you're shifting in molasses. Combining two or three trips into one will not only reduce the miles you drive, but will get you better fuel economy on the way.
9. Use air conditioning wisely. In city driving, it's cheaper to use the vents and/or roll the windows down. But at highway speeds, it's a different story: rolling the windows down will cost you more fuel than using the air conditioner. These factors can affect fuel economy by ~ 1-5%.
10. Buy fuel wisely. Ok, this isn't actually improving your fuel economy, but there are several things to save money on: Filling up on Tuesday afternoon or Wednesday morning will normally save you money: those are typically the lowest prices of the week. Also, filling up in the morning when the fuel is cooler will get you a few extra cents of fuel. So your best time to fill up is - on average - Wednesday morning. Don't "top off" your tank: you risk losing fuel to the station's vapor-recovery system, giving them back some of what you're paying for.
11. Use a good fuel additive. Injectors with excessive deposits have poor spray patterns that can cost you 2 to 15% in fuel economy. Those deposits are caused by poor quality fuel. Since '95 the EPA has required all gasoline to have deposit-control additives. But as fuel quality control capabilities have improved over the years, average fuel quality has dropped steadily. Now about half of all fuel on the market is Lowest Additive Concentration (LAC) gasoline, which barely meets the regulation and contributes to excessive deposits. What can you do? First, if your vehicle is designed for premium gas, and you use premium, your injectors may be fine: many premium fuels include much higher additive levels that are effective at keeping injectors clean. However, what if you don't use premium? Use "Top Tier" detergent gas if you can find it, because this new class of fuel meets the 2004 GM/Honda/Toyota/BMW deposit control standard. Shell states that all their gas grades meet the Top Tier standard. If you don't need to pay for premium and Top Tier isn't available, you probably need an additive. BEWARE: there are a lot of mousey fuel additive products in ads and on store shelves that generate ridiculous sales profits but don't do much for your vehicle. Find a good one that will clean your injectors, keep them clean, and (for diesels) lubricate your fuel pump. <http://www.saveongasmormpg.myffi.biz/>
12. Lose some weight! Reduce your vehicle's weight: clean out the trunk (and maybe the back seat). Summer snow-chains and tools from that weekend project two months ago is costing you fuel! For every 200 pounds in your trunk, it costs you roughly 1 mpg.
13. Don't drive! Carpool, occasionally ride a bicycle or walk, telecommute for part of your work-week, or take public transportation.
14. Shift your work-hours to avoid gridlock. Stop-and-go traffic is hard on fuel economy. Try to arrange traveling to/from work when traffic flow is running smoothly at the speed limit.
15. Park in the Shade: The hotter the fuel tank gets, the more gas you lose to evaporation.
16. Smart vacation thinking: If your vehicle is a gas guzzler, consider renting an economical vehicle to drive on vacation. With a discounted week-long rate at better fuel economy, the rental might pay for itself. If you lease your vehicle, using a rental vehicle will also lower your total lease miles.
17. Keep a log of your mileage and fuel. I've done this for years, first in vehicle expense record books, and later with a program in my Palm PDA. One advantage is that you can monitor your fuel economy and driving habits. Not only can you learn the cost benefits of changing your driving style, but you can spot the poor fuel economy that is often a first-alert to maintenance issues. In addition, as you make changes to improve fuel economy, you can measure the exact results (averaged over a few fill-ups for better accuracy).
Second: vehicle MAINTENANCE & UPGRADES. These areas often get skipped in recommendations on getting better fuel economy, and that's unfortunate because they can have huge impacts. In fact, that's why I'm providing this list - so that you can learn about these missing areas. These all fall into two general ways to improve fuel economy: - decrease friction in the vehicle's drivetrain (engine, transmission, differential, wheel bearings); - make it easier for air to flow through the engine, anywhere between the air intake and the exhaust tailpipe.
These are the same areas that performance-enthusiasts improve to get more horsepower. I recently spoke with a Lexus mechanic who owns a Dodge 2500 pickup with the Cummins turbo-diesel engine. He was quite surprised that with his many thousands of dollars of horsepower upgrades, even running large tires and higher ground-clearance, he was getting about 23 mpg. "Every time I increased the power, the fuel economy improved." No surprise to me: except for the tires, he was also increasing his engine's efficiency with nearly every power upgrade.
18. Keep your engine tuned up. If you have a dashboard service-engine light on, you're typically wasting fuel: for example, bad Oxygen Sensors are a classic problem that can cost you 5-15% in fuel economy. Overall, poor engine tuning and lack of maintenance will often decrease fuel economy by 10-20%, and it can be even worse in some cases.
19. Inflate your tires to their optimum: HIGHER pressures than "normal". Besides improving fuel economy, this will improve handling, increase safety, and increase tire life. Under-inflated tires can lower gas mileage by 0.4 percent for every 1 psi drop in pressure of all four tires. Over 90% of car tires on the road are under-inflated, and this costs money in both fuel and in shortened tire life. "Experts" generally define the "proper" pressure as the vehicle manufacturer's recommendation, and that's what most service shops try to follow. Who can blame them when even the government says to follow inflation pressures on the vehicle's OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) door sticker? Unfortunately, that's seldom correct. OEM wheel/tire combinations for most passenger cars and light trucks are designed by the tire manufacturer for even tread pressure on the ground when inflated to between 35 and 42 psi [pounds per square inch]: far more than the recommended 28 to 33 psi that you'll find in many owner's manuals or on door-jamb labels. If your tires normally wear the tread off the shoulder before the center of the tire, you can be certain that your tires are under-inflated.
Vehicle manufacturers like to get the cushy ride quality by using under-inflated tires, rather than by using more expensive shocks, springs and suspension designs. What YOU need is even road-contact pressure across the tread, because that gives you maximum tire life, better fuel economy, best performance in bad weather, and best overall handling and cornering characteristics. If you look closely on many tires, you'll see a reference to 35 psi and a maximum pressure of 44 psi. So as long as you don't put more than 44 psi in your tires, you're fine. So how much air pressure should you use? How do you figure it out? First of all, buy a digital pressure gauge - there are a lot of them for $8-20, typically accurate to a half psi or less. Or, you can use a mechanical-type gauge if it has a LARGE round dial. These bourdon-tube gauges are capable of good accuracy, but check the packaging to see how accurately it's calibrated. Whatever you do, DON'T use a straight "stick" air pressure gauge. Inconsistent and inaccurate, stick gauges often read 2 to 10 psi higher than actual pressure, meaning your tires will always be under-inflated by at least that amount. Next, inflate your front tires to about 40 psi and your rear tires to about 38 psi. (Most vehicles are heavier in the front than in the rear. If yours isn't, maybe from stuff you haul in the truck-bed or trunk, then use the same pressure in all four tires.) Then watch how your tires wear. The ultimate is to buy a simple tire tread depth-gauge (max $6), and use it to check tread depth in the center, and near each "shoulder" of the tire (near the inside and outside edges). If your tires wear more quickly on the edges, increase your air pressure by 1 or 2 psi. If they wear more quickly in the center, then decrease the air pressure by 1 or 2 psi. Most tires like to be in the 38-40 psi range, but if you put a wider tire on a stock-width rim, you'll normally have to drop the air pressure to compensate and get an even pressure "pad" across the tread.
Results? By our conservative estimates, most passenger vehicles are riding on tires that are 8 psi low. (That 20% difference can decrease tire life by an estimated 30% per the Technical Maintenance Council.) So overall, bumping your tire pressure up to the optimum will likely give you a 3% increase in fuel economy, depending on your vehicle, tires, and current air pressure. You'll also get longer tire life. Be sure to check/adjust your tire pressure monthly, increase tire pressure temporarily when you're carrying loads, and rotate your tires twice a year or every 10,000 miles. For more complete details on proper tire care, visit this excellent article <http://www.rma.org/tire_safety/tire_maintenance_and_safety/tire_safety_brochure/ tire_care_and_safety.cfm>. 20. Switch to best-quality synthetic oils and filters throughout your drivetrain: engine oil, transmission fluid, differential gear oil and wheel bearing grease. This advice - to use the best synthetic lubricants - is drastically neglected, yet it's an EASY area to save a lot of money. However, it's not a simple area to understand, so here's a brief primer on synthetic lubricants.
The number of vehicle owners turning to synthetic engine oil has increased dramatically, which is very good news for consumers because synthetics are better than petroleum products in every way, BY DESIGN.
But consumers don't realize THREE KEY THINGS:
First, that the benefits of synthetics extend to every lubrication area in the vehicle, including ball-joint grease. For example, most differentials and transmissions fail because their fluid has failed, either because the fluid hasn't been changed frequently enough, or because the fluid overheated in towing. Synthetic transmission fluid helps hugely to prevent problems, and naturally saves fuel at the same time. My '94 Taurus SHO got 10% better car fuel economy with engine oil and transmission fluid change, my '02 Sierra 2500HD Duramax got 8% better truck fuel economy with just synthetic engine and differential fluids, and a friend's '99 Olds Silhouette van picked up 20% just by changing to synthetic engine oil - saving over $600/yr in fuel 21. Improve airflow AROUND your vehicle: - Keep your windows rolled up at speeds over 40 mph: you'll feel a lot of air turbulence around the window, and the air-conditioning is probably cheaper than the fuel-economy penalty in additional wind-drag. - Turn off the air and roll down the windows at speeds under 40 mph in the summer heat: the additional wind-drag is cheaper than the air-conditioning. - Consider adding a truck bed cover, either soft-type or hardshell: they can give you a 1 to 2 mpg boost. What about dropping your tailgate to travel, or buying an "air gate" net or louvered tailgate to replace the stock part? Those are not as reliable - results depend on the vehicle aerodynamics, bed length, and the size and shape of what you do (or don't) have in the truck bed. - Reduce air turbulence under your vehicle: "Off-road" packages which include protective underbody "skid plate" features, or "ground effects" styling packages can help enough to add 1-5% in fuel economy. The downside is that these can make the vehicle more difficult to work on. - Adding an air deflector to the roof of your vehicle when towing will also add 1 to 3 mpg, but keep in mind that it will also reduce your non-towing fuel economy by about the same amount if it's still on the vehicle when you're NOT towing. (These air deflectors improve fuel economy by helping to "kick" the air up over the trailer, reducing the trailer's wind-drag.) - Loaded roof racks or cargo pods can cut 5% or more off your fuel economy. A cargo rack that slides into a trailer hitch allows you to carry extra stuff, still get into your trunk, and use less fuel. - Sunroof air-deflectors can be handy, but they do cost you a bit of money. Removing the air deflector might save 1/4 to 3/4% in fuel economy.
22. Improve airflow into the engine. This can happen in several stages of increasing complexity, but the first place is the air filter, where air enters your engine. If your filter is dirty, that reduces fuel economy - up to 10% in the worst cases. However, there's a conflicting problem. Conventional filters should NOT be replaced before the OEM's recommended interval or they will increase your engine wear rate: they rely on the "dust cake" buildup to achieve effective filtration, which can reduce fuel economy.
Easy: Here's an easy "no-brainer" improvement: Replace your air filter with nanofiber filters born from military/aerospace technology. (Released in 2005 with worldwide patents, reasonably priced, with a huge percentage of applications covered and still growing in 2007.) You get pressure drop nearly as low as an oiled gauze filter while filtering out 100% of wear particles down to 3 microns (for real). Clean with an annual tap/shake/vacuum. No warranty problems. .
23. Improve airflow out of the engine: Install an aftermarket exhaust system. These have larger diameter pipes and larger, less restrictive mufflers. My point isn't to get louder, but to reduce "backpressure" losses which cut down on horsepower, torque and fuel-economy. Since increased noise is typical, and some systems are intentionally designed to be loud, you may want to shop for the exhaust sounds you do or don't want. Borla <http://www.borla.com> is my personal high-quality favorite, because they tastefully design for great improvement without being overly loud. Keep in mind that on turbo-charged engines, anything you do to improve flow (reduce backpressure) through the exhaust system will pay rewards in increased turbo pressure, faster spool-up, and of course, better fuel economy. So if a larger down-pipe out of the turbo is an available option, take it: that's a useful upgrade that is sometimes overlooked.
Upgrade to a more fuel-efficient vehicle. But be cautious. Everyone wants to make money from your vehicle change, so be sure to look out for your best interests. There are several ways to do this. First, beware of sticker price. Spending a lot more money to get more fuel economy may not begin to pay you back before you sell the vehicle. Hint: hybrids are getting "hot" in the market, but they are often not worth the money. One reason is initial cost penalty, another is unrealistic fuel-economy claims, and another is high replacement costs for the big battery packs that these vehicles use to store and transfer energy. If that 56 mpg turns out to really be 41 mpg as a recent long-term test did in the '05 Toyota Prius vehicle (Car and Driver magazine), and you spent $6k more than an equivalent non-hybrid, and you're faced with a $2,300 battery replacement bill after 3 years and you only keep it for 4 or 5 years... well, the 36 mpg standard vehicle was a better deal.
Tom in Missouri - 27 Oct 2007 19:16 GMT I have a much simpler idea to use less gas - telecommute.
If a company lets 10% of it workers telecommute full time, they will usually save about double and even triple of what they save by reduced business air travel, teleconferencing business meetings, and so on.
And you add to less pollution.
> With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you > can't [quoted text clipped - 438 lines] > it for 4 or 5 years... well, the 36 mpg standard vehicle was a better > deal. Tom in Missouri - 27 Oct 2007 19:20 GMT I hit send before I realized the other groups were on here.
Although, telecommuting is a good idea to spread around. Better for everyone really, especially with $3/gallon of gas, hour long traffic jams, the pollution levels in most cities, and so on.
>I have a much simpler idea to use less gas - telecommute. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And you add to less pollution. Ric Seyler - 29 Oct 2007 16:53 GMT >With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you can't >pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down and >dirty of how this works: > Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner? LOLOLOLOLOL
>1st - By using this product, engine efficiency is gained. You will see 7% >to 14% increases in your gas milage. <http://www.saveongasmormpg.myffi.biz/> [quoted text clipped - 343 lines] >it for 4 or 5 years... well, the 36 mpg standard vehicle was a better deal. >
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PeterD - 29 Oct 2007 19:03 GMT >>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you can't >>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner? >LOLOLOLOLOL I used to think that magnets were just a joke, but then I tried it.
I broke apart about a zillion dead hard drives. Got all the magnets out of them (there were an average of two magnets in each drive, so I had two zillion of 'em)
Next I glued them to the fuel lines, which took about 20 or so magnets. What I did next was nothing short of brilliant. I glued the remaining magnets to the front bumper, grill, and everwhere else I could on the front. Even around the windshield.
You guessed it, I got on the highway and soon found that i didn't even have to press the accelerator. I'd only about two or three gallons of gas left in the tank anyway, and eventually that ran out, just with the engine idling. The engine shut down, and I'm still doing about 70+ MPH! Incredible...
Man this is great. I started in New York, and I'm just getting through Denver, all on that three gallons of gas (OK the gas ran out in Kansas, but I"m still going.)
Now, I'm writing this on my Blackberry while on the road. Steering and driving doesn't seem that hard without gas, but I've got one problem.
How do I get unstuck from the back of this semi?
Ric Seyler - 29 Oct 2007 21:10 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > HAHAHAHA!! I'm glad I finished your post, I was Fixin to FlAmE Ya! :-)
>I used to think that magnets were just a joke, but then I tried it. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >
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lab~rat >:-) - 30 Oct 2007 20:02 GMT >>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you can't >>>pass up! This is not a SCAM and can save you real money. A quick down and [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >How do I get unstuck from the back of this semi? LOL
-- lab~rat >:-) Stupid humans...
Refinish King - 02 Nov 2007 00:29 GMT LOFL!
I hope you aren't doing that with the El Camino?
RK
>>>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you >>>>can't [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > lab~rat >:-) > Stupid humans... lab~rat >:-) - 02 Nov 2007 15:15 GMT >LOFL! > >I hope you aren't doing that with the El Camino? Nah, it's still swallowing gas by the quart. How've ya been?
>RK >> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> lab~rat >:-) >> Stupid humans... -- lab~rat >:-) Stupid humans...
Refinish King - 02 Nov 2007 22:59 GMT I've been great, Thank you.
How are those two slobs you drive, the Camaro and El Camino.
I hope all is well with you.
RK
>>LOFL! >> [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > lab~rat >:-) > Stupid humans... lab~rat >:-) - 05 Nov 2007 15:34 GMT >I've been great, Thank you. > >How are those two slobs you drive, the Camaro and El Camino. LOL Still drivin' them. No real progress on the Elky, unless keeping it on the street and running strong is progress...
>I hope all is well with you. > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] >> lab~rat >:-) >> Stupid humans... -- lab~rat >:-) Stupid humans...
Tom in Missouri - 31 Oct 2007 06:53 GMT There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were not designed for such use or in the environment I was using them, and so after a few days, they failed. But during that time, gas on the test car (my daily commuter which was going about 80 miles per day) went from 22-23 to 25. I had only gotten 25 a couple of times before - long flat non-stop highway trips at 55-60 mph. This was tested in mostly city driving.
However, since it involved helping things atomize quicker/better, and the EFI/TBI/TPI all does that just as well today, there isn't any point in me trying to build one again.
So occasionally, you do find some of these that do work. You just want to not get too involved in expense looking for them, or you could buy more gas than you will ever save.
>>With the cost of crude oil hitting $90 a barrel, this is something you >>can't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner? > LOLOLOLOLOL lab~rat >:-) - 31 Oct 2007 19:24 GMT >There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I >did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >EFI/TBI/TPI all does that just as well today, there isn't any point in me >trying to build one again. The suspense is killing me...
>So occasionally, you do find some of these that do work. You just want to >not get too involved in expense looking for them, or you could buy more gas [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Magnets on the fuel line or the "Turbonator" behind the air cleaner? >> LOLOLOLOLOL -- lab~rat >:-) Stupid humans...
Ric Seyler - 31 Oct 2007 22:32 GMT lab~rat >:-) wrote:
> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >The suspense is killing me... > Swapping out a QuadraJet for a 1bbl Rochester?!? :-)
> > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >Stupid humans... >
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ZÿRiX - 01 Nov 2007 09:33 GMT lab~rat >:-) wrote:
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 01:53:49 -0400, "Tom in Missouri" <toomuch@spam.com> puked:
There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were not designed for such use or in the environment I was using them, and so after a few days, they failed. But during that time, gas on the test car (my daily commuter which was going about 80 miles per day) went from 22-23 to 25. I had only gotten 25 a couple of times before - long flat non-stop highway trips at 55-60 mph. This was tested in mostly city driving.
However, since it involved helping things atomize quicker/better, and the EFI/TBI/TPI all does that just as well today, there isn't any point in me trying to build one again. The suspense is killing me... Swapping out a QuadraJet for a 1bbl Rochester?!? :-)
Hey my brother did that and it did not really help he had to floor it all of the time to move the car "Pontiac Bonneville Station wagon" it had a four barrel intake with a plate from 4 to 2 and a plate from 2 to 1 all polished inside and looked somewhat like a tunnel ram but unless you are hot rodding it and engine takes so much fuel and air to run... So I guess what I am saying that would not help it just looks funny...
ZÿRiX - 01 Nov 2007 09:45 GMT I do not know what happened to the other post and not word wrapping... Hey my brother did that and it did not really help he had to floor it all of the time to move the car "Pontiac Bonneville Station wagon" it had a four barrel intake with a plate from 4 to 2 and a plate from 2 to 1 all polished inside and looked somewhat like a tunnel ram but unless you are hot rodding it and engine takes so much fuel and air to run... So I guess what I am saying that would not help it just looks funny...The 2 plates can be seen on this site...http://www.tdperformance.com/pdfs/12-16-CarbAdapters.pdf
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Swapping out a QuadraJet for a 1bbl Rochester?!? :-)
Tom in Missouri - 02 Nov 2007 18:09 GMT It was a trick with ultrasonics. There had been rumors of ultrasonic carburetors in GM for several years, the so-called 30 mpg box, and it was supposed to be wired with transducers and such. Of course, the guy I ran into who claimed to really have one until the first service on his new '74 Impala could have just been describing an early test Q-Jet with the electronics plugged in. He claimed he got around 20 mpg with his Impala and then 13 when it was gone.
I positioned an ultrasonic transducer above the barrels and pumped in a 40khz signal. I really didn't have anything to base it on and was just trial and error. The transducers I had were surplus electronics items and were not designed for the heat, gas, or anything, so they failed after about a week. I went through 4 of them.
The idea was that ultrasonics let the gas and air atomize better and that would improve fuel economy. It appears that it did. With more time, money, and equipment, it might have been a good deal, positioning them under the carb, in the intake, or maybe above and below, but I didn't have the resources to do all that. I never had the chance to really tune for mileage as by the time I ran enough miles and gas, they had failed. If I had transducers that could have lasted, I could have tried turning the carb for the ultrasonics and seen if they actually
Since them, the EFI, TBI, and TPI all have created much better atomization than carbs did so it is academic today. If it improved over the fuel injection, it might only be 1 mpg or so, and that isn't really worth the effort.
>>There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I >>did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > lab~rat >:-) > Stupid humans... lab~rat >:-) - 05 Nov 2007 15:34 GMT >It was a trick with ultrasonics. There had been rumors of ultrasonic >carburetors in GM for several years, the so-called 30 mpg box, and it was [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >injection, it might only be 1 mpg or so, and that isn't really worth the >effort. Cool, but there are a lot of carbs still on the road...
>>>There are a lot of scams and a lot of snake oil out there, but one thing I >>>did try years ago did actually work. Unfortunately, the parts I used were [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> lab~rat >:-) >> Stupid humans... -- lab~rat >:-) Stupid humans...
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