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1970 Camro Spark plugs

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Big Duke - 21 Apr 2004 02:05 GMT
Hi all.  I have a 1970 Camaro with a 350  250 HP motor in it.  I would run
the AC 44 spark plugs in it.  Now I find these plugs are no longer
available.  Any body know a good replacement plug to use?  Thanks for any
advice or comments.
Gary - KQ6RT - 22 Apr 2004 04:36 GMT
Have you tried the AC R44? That's just the resistor version of the same
plug. I know resistor plugs don't sound good, but in reality they usually
run just as good. You could also try Accell. I believe they still make an
equivalent version of the original non resistor plug. - Gary

> Hi all.  I have a 1970 Camaro with a 350  250 HP motor in it.  I would run
> the AC 44 spark plugs in it.  Now I find these plugs are no longer
> available.  Any body know a good replacement plug to use?  Thanks for any
> advice or comments.
Tarver Engineering - 22 Apr 2004 19:57 GMT
> Have you tried the AC R44? That's just the resistor version of the same
> plug. I know resistor plugs don't sound good, but in reality they usually
> run just as good. You could also try Accell. I believe they still make an
> equivalent version of the original non resistor plug. - Gary

If he uses the silicon graphite wires the resistors are a good thing and
perform well.

> > Hi all.  I have a 1970 Camaro with a 350  250 HP motor in it.  I would run
> > the AC 44 spark plugs in it.  Now I find these plugs are no longer
> > available.  Any body know a good replacement plug to use?  Thanks for any
> > advice or comments.
matt  borland - 22 Apr 2004 18:26 GMT
> Hi all.  I have a 1970 Camaro with a 350  250 HP motor in it.  I would run
> the AC 44 spark plugs in it.  Now I find these plugs are no longer
> available.  Any body know a good replacement plug to use?  Thanks for any
> advice or comments.

Accel #276 is a non-resistor equivalent.

You can get them through Jeg's, Summit, etc. if you can't find them locally.

-Matt- "..."
*CBHVAC* - 23 Apr 2004 12:36 GMT
> > Hi all.  I have a 1970 Camaro with a 350  250 HP motor in it.  I would run
> > the AC 44 spark plugs in it.  Now I find these plugs are no longer
> > available.  Any body know a good replacement plug to use?  Thanks for any
> > advice or comments.
>
> Accel #276 is a non-resistor equivalent.

Accel plugs are reboxed NGKs...
Or used to be..havent bought a set of them in about 9 years..so they might
have changed vendors.

> You can get them through Jeg's, Summit, etc. if you can't find them locally.
>
> -Matt- "..."
matt  borland - 23 Apr 2004 23:04 GMT
> > > Hi all.  I have a 1970 Camaro with a 350  250 HP motor in it.  I would
> run
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> Or used to be..havent bought a set of them in about 9 years..so they might
> have changed vendors.

I think they're reboxing Denso plugs now. Still Japanese...

-Matt- "..."
Big Duke - 25 Apr 2004 14:18 GMT
I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement plug
for the old AC R44.  Thanks for all the advise & comments.

> > > > Hi all.  I have a 1970 Camaro with a 350  250 HP motor in it.  I would
> > run
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>
> -Matt- "..."
John Meyer - 27 Apr 2004 00:29 GMT
Last time I looked, the Accel are Denso U Groove plugs and work well. The
last set of resistor AC's I used in my high performance 350 missfired over
5500RPM.
> I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement plug
> for the old AC R44.  Thanks for all the advise & comments.
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> >
> > -Matt- "..."
Tarver Engineering - 27 Apr 2004 01:21 GMT
> I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement plug
> for the old AC R44.  Thanks for all the advise & comments.

Those should burn the valves right out of your heads within 12,000 miles.
poncho462 - 27 Apr 2004 02:04 GMT
> > I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement plug
> > for the old AC R44.  Thanks for all the advise & comments.
>
> Those should burn the valves right out of your heads within 12,000 miles.

I've been running R43S plugs for 3 years and a bit over 20,000 miles in my
70 LT1, no problems yet.

Dave
Ray - 27 Apr 2004 04:43 GMT
>>>I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement
>
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>
> Dave

ignore tarver, he's the resident retard...
Tarver Engineering - 27 Apr 2004 06:15 GMT
> >>>I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement
> >
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> >
> ignore tarver, he's the resident retard...

The retards os this newsgroup are the whip out your dick gang.

The s tip version is bad for valves, but is used in some standard tip spark
plugged GM engines after they start burning oil.
*CBHVAC* - 27 Apr 2004 10:00 GMT
> > >>>I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement
> > >
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> The s tip version is bad for valves, but is used in some standard tip spark
> plugged GM engines after they start burning oil.

As normal, wrong.

And no..they are not bad for valves...the lack of lead in the fuel, used as
lube for the valves, is bad for the valves...

Tarver...get a clue...will you?
Tarver Engineering - 27 Apr 2004 15:23 GMT
> And no..they are not bad for valves...

Yes my idiot, changing to the hotter tip is bad for the valves. that is why
GM made both kinds of plugs in the first place.  Please stop posting your
ignorance to this newsgroup.  If anyone wants to know how to have a
non-operating f-body they will ping you.
*CBHVAC* - 30 Apr 2004 04:13 GMT
> > And no..they are not bad for valves...
>
> Yes my idiot, changing to the hotter tip is bad for the valves. that is why
> GM made both kinds of plugs in the first place.  Please stop posting your
> ignorance to this newsgroup.  If anyone wants to know how to have a
> non-operating f-body they will ping you.

Again, you are wrong....

Tell me Tarver...other than give wrong advice in here, and in the aviation
groups....do you have a f.cking life?

While you are at it, how about telling us again about that Hemi..(LOL)
inline 6 you talked about that went into..what year was it......89???
Firebirds...

Sheesh...little man, do you even know how to kernal set your plugs?
Better yet...do you know what it means?
SgtSilicon - 27 Apr 2004 15:42 GMT
I have no wish to take a side in this as I don't have much of a clue
about it.  I just want some confermation on a couple of general
principles:

1. Hardened valve seats and valves remove the requirement for lead in
gasoline and allow the use of unleaded gas.

2. Catalytic converters choke on leaded gas and need you to start the
combustionion process sans lead in the gas.

Are these principles true, false, mostly true or what?

>> > >>>I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement
>> > >
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>
>Tarver...get a clue...will you?

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*CBHVAC* - 27 Apr 2004 15:52 GMT
> I have no wish to take a side in this as I don't have much of a clue
> about it.  I just want some confermation on a couple of general
> principles:

No need to take sides, just look up Tarvers history, and you have all you
need to ignore him.

> 1. Hardened valve seats and valves remove the requirement for lead in
> gasoline and allow the use of unleaded gas.

And that came about due to your #2 comment.

> 2. Catalytic converters choke on leaded gas and need you to start the
> combustionion process sans lead in the gas.

You are correct...the lead will bond to the converter, and clog it...

> Are these principles true, false, mostly true or what?

True, however, we were making a comment about pre-converter vehicles.....GM
didnt have a vehicle in 1970, the poster that I was making a comment about,
that used a converter.

> >> > >>>I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement
> >> > >
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Gary - KQ6RT - 28 Apr 2004 12:36 GMT
An AC R43S is actually one step colder than a R44. The "S" just means the
electrode doesn't extend as far into the chamber as the standard plug. "S"
means short. The number is always the heat range with AC plugs. - Gary

> > >>>I ended up with AC R43S spark plugs.   GM Claims it's the replacement
> > >
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> The s tip version is bad for valves, but is used in some standard tip spark
> plugged GM engines after they start burning oil.
Thund3rstruck_n0i - 30 Apr 2004 00:26 GMT
Ray spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
<sFkjc.269458$Ig.4105@pd7tw2no>

> ignore tarver, he's the resident retard...

Poncho/Dave knows this. He's the polite one here. :)

                                       NOI
poncho462 - 30 Apr 2004 04:32 GMT
> Ray spilled my beer when they jumped on the table and proclaimed in
> <sFkjc.269458$Ig.4105@pd7tw2no>
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>
>                                         NOI

I had to show this to the wife. She is amazed anyone thinks I'm polite. ;^)

Speaking of sparkplugs, I got an hour or so to flip through a NASCAR engine
builders guide and came across something interesting about spark plugs. The
funny part is the guy who runs the dyno I'm using now said the same thing I
read but his information is based on dyno runs at the shop. Say you buy a
set of R43S (or other applications) plugs for your street/strip car. Don't
bother regapping the plugs to a wider gap to make more power. It doesn't
make any more power than if you just check them for consistent gaps. I tried
it myself dropping from 0.045 to the 0.035 from the manufacturer and didn't
see any change at all. You'll pick up more power switching to a synthetic
oil (not much but it could change a 12.05 into a 11.99) than wasting your
time regapping your plugs.

I'll bet the big boys at the strip have other ideas but till I'm making over
1200 hp I don't think I'll have to worry about it. ;^)

YMMV

Dave
 
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