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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Camaro / July 2004buffing out paint-- any suggestions??
When I bought my Camaro (1968), about 1 year ago, it had just been repainted, not a show car quality job but a nice original looking matador red with the black bumblebee stripe. The paint looks good, but I don't think it has ever really been buffed out and polished well. I've waxed it a few times, but I have a feeling this paint job could look better. There are also some light scratches in it, the type you get when your kids stand by the car & lean on it... Anyone have suggestions as to how to buff it out? I do have an electric polisher but I'd rather use a little elbow grease and a pile of clean rags--- Terry By the way, where abouts in Wi are you.. I travel from SW to NE from school to home.. and good ol Dennis is right in the middle of both.. lol.... but about those scratches... the kind that you get when YOUR kids lean up against it? Or someone elses.. lol.  SignatureWell catch ya later, -Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon... (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) My own kids have been known to lean on this car...I made the decision a long time ago to USE my cars, not just let them sit in the garage. Chips and scratches still drive me nuts, though. My daughter learned to drive last year on this Camaro....those memories alone are worth it to me! If you want to draw some attention, put a 16 year old female with long brown hair at the wheel of a red '68 Camaro and go cruising down main st... Anyway, I've live in one part or another of WI almost my whole life, right now I live just east of the twin cities, near the MN border...where do you guys live? Have you ever thought of starting up a Wisconsin Camaro or classic car club? There's one in Minnesota called "Northstar Camaro club." Terry > By the way, where abouts in Wi are you.. I travel from SW to NE from school > to home.. and good ol Dennis is right in the middle of both.. lol.... but > about those scratches... the kind that you get when YOUR kids lean up > against it? Or someone elses.. lol. > My own kids have been known to lean on this car...I made the decision a long > time ago [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > hair at the wheel > of a red '68 Camaro and go cruising down main st... If she's still driving it when she turns 18 Ill drool. Charles > If she's still driving it when she turns 18 Ill drool. > Charles THAT's just what I'm afraid of! Some people I know think I'm crazy letting my daughter drive a car that has 425hp, but so far so good, they scared her pretty good in driver's ed, which is still in her head. I'm worried that if she gets a boyfriend, she'll let him drive it.... Terry Yeah I would be worried about that too.. I mean if I would have had that car with that kind of hp.. I would have killed myself, in fact I did my share of damage with my little 135hp... Glad I only had the 6 to learn on. Damn.. did I just say that? Lol SignatureWell catch ya later, -Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon... (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) That's funny. Hell, I once owned a purple Gremlin! I hope I don't get kicked off this newsgroup for writing that! Do you want to hear a good one? When my brother was 16 I sold him my '68 GTO 400 4 barrel 4 speed, well he ended up doing doughnuts in our neighbors lawn one night, then came home and fell asleep behind the wheel...had been drinking...the next day he denied everything until my dad pointed out that the wheel wells were completely filled up with mud! (this was our idea of fun in Wisconsin!) He had to sell it before it killed him... Terry > Yeah I would be worried about that too.. I mean if I would have had that car > with that kind of hp.. I would have killed myself, in fact I did my share of > damage with my little 135hp... Glad I only had the 6 to learn on. Damn.. > did I just say that? Lol I had a beige gremlin: It was my everyday car, with a 258/6, and it smoked the tires for blocks. my other car was a 67 Firebird, that when I bought it. Had the overhead cam 6, with the timing belt. Time to put in the BBC, it was my 10 second toy, and it was sure fun making money on Fridays and Saturdays on the Hutchinson Parkway, Pelham Parkway in the Bronx, and the Connecting Highways in Queens New York! Refinish King > That's funny. Hell, I once owned a purple Gremlin! I hope I don't get > kicked off this newsgroup for writing that! [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > damage with my little 135hp... Glad I only had the 6 to learn on. Damn.. > > did I just say that? Lol Hey RK, I was told that you are the guy to talk to about what method of stripping the paintjob on a car to use. I saw a show on TLC called "Rides" where this company in Texas was building "Eleanors" for people out of base mustangs they found in junkyeards etc. Anyway, they used this Bakingsoda blasting method. It was like powerwashing a house, but with baking soda. They said it was fast, easy, biodegradable, and didn't harm the subber, windows, or metal. Heard of this? If not, what method would you recommend for a VERY inexperienced perons with stripping paint? SignatureWell catch ya later, -Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon... (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) I've never heard of this method: But baking soda is a mild abrasive. but, using water on blasted metal, which it would be in effect when finished. Is like playing Russian Roulette! I'd use a flake off type stripper, one that goes on wet, then you wait till it dries, and everything comes off in flakes. It's also environmentally friendly, because you only have solid waste to deal with when dried. Rust usually hides in the window checks, so stripping a car without removing the windows, is a half assed job, at best. If you aren't going to remove the windows, don't bother stripping it! Also, consider taking off the window whiskers on the door and quarter windows, they are a good place for rust to hide. I hope this helps? Refinish King > Hey RK, I was told that you are the guy to talk to about what method of > stripping the paintjob on a car to use. I saw a show on TLC called "Rides" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > windows, or metal. Heard of this? If not, what method would you recommend > for a VERY inexperienced perons with stripping paint? My plan is next summer completely tear down the car, strip the paint, and rebuild it from the ground up... Well.. START to do all that.. lol.. Its in need of a lot of help, and this car has just about every problem you can think of.. has proven to be a good learning experience.. lol. Thats why I am looking for good techniques and products that are cost efficeint(Still in college) but not real hard or real time consuming to do. But I want to do this project right so I end up with a beautiful car instead of a 2600# paperweight. ANY help is greatly appreciated. SignatureWell catch ya later, -Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon... (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) Just make sure that: You use a good auto body supplier, get a 5 gallon can of acetone. Wipe down each panel you strip with acetone. Then use PPG LF32 or any of the other colors, before priming or using any plastic filler, but use the DP402 catalyst in it. The DP402 will have a 15 minute permeation time after you mix it, before you spray it, the LF402 won't. But, you can't use the LF series epoxies catalyzed with the LF series catalyst under plastic filler. Plastic filler is like a sponge and absorbs moisture, primers, whether epoxy or urethanes are too granular and allow moisture penetration. If you want a show quality job, that will last till your grandchildren can drive the car, use the PPG LF250 primer also. It just about fills in 40 grit scratches, with no shrinkage. It's a too component primer, use a dual cartridge respirator! I can't warn people enough what Isocyanates did to me! Refinish King > My plan is next summer completely tear down the car, strip the paint, and > rebuild it from the ground up... Well.. START to do all that.. lol.. Its in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > this project right so I end up with a beautiful car instead of a 2600# > paperweight. ANY help is greatly appreciated. Hmmm.. wow.. did anyone else understand any of that?? LOL... Not to act stupid.. but could you Mickey Mouse that? Lamens terms MIGHT work.. but I wouldn't count on it.. lol Signature-Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon... (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) ***Ever want to beat someone half to death... TWICE??*** oh god, maybe there should be a new newsgroup, alt.gremlins or something! ...I went off the road & smashed up my Gremlin, then coincidentally I saw a Hornet for sale, it was bad too so I put them together into a hybrid looking body, and I called it the "Gremnet", I'm not kidding! We bolted on gremlin and hornet chrome pieces on it, painted it primer, and looked for an AMC 401 to put in it...ended up coming to my senses soon after & getting rid of it...sh.t, I hate to admit these stories on this NG... > I had a beige gremlin: > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > soon... > > > (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) My brother had a 68 Javelin: With a Dana 44 and a 290 and a Borg Warner T-10, A cam, a competition valve job, forged 11.0 to 1 pistons, and it ran 12.3. The car was an animal for it's size and the small motor. Wally booth won Pro Stock for three years in a row in the early 70's with an AMC, if it weren't for the NHRA changing the rules about cutting apart cylinder heads. Then a few years later saying it was OK to do the head modifications again. Wally already had enough and went to Chevy, but got tired of Bill Jenkins kicking his a.s and retired! Refinish King > oh god, maybe there should be a new newsgroup, alt.gremlins or something! > ...I went off the road & smashed up my Gremlin, then coincidentally I saw a [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > soon... > > > > (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) Make that cardinal rule number one: He drives, she looses the car! because if he screws up, guess who's mailbox the winner of the law suit goes on? That's right, yours, not his parents. Yours! So instill in her, if you heard she let anyone drive the car, she looses the car! Tough love is the best love sometimes, he could kill her and cost you your life's savings! Refinish King > > If she's still driving it when she turns 18 Ill drool. > > Charles [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Terry good advice. Tough love is the way sometimes, depends on the kids. Some of my daughter's friends definitely should not have the responsibility of a muscle car. I don't THINK my daughter will let anyone else drive my camaro, she'd be too ashamed to face me if something happened...oh I can feel my hair going more grey every day......! It's tough, I want both my kids to have the love of old cars in their veins, but not kill themselves in the process! > Make that cardinal rule number one: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > Terry >By the way, where abouts in Wi are you.. I travel from SW to NE from school >to home.. and good ol Dennis is right in the middle of both.. lol.... but >about those scratches... the kind that you get when YOUR kids lean up >against it? Or someone elses.. lol. I know you weren't asking the question of me but I noticed you said SW WI. Are you starting from the SW area of WI and going NE or just through SW WI? Reason I ask is that I live in La Crosse. Man, there are quite a few WI people hanging out here...do any of you know of crusing events in Wisconsin? I've been going to some in Minneapolis/St Paul, but I'd like to check out some around here-- Terry > >By the way, where abouts in Wi are you.. I travel from SW to NE from school > >to home.. and good ol Dennis is right in the middle of both.. lol.... but [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > WI. Are you starting from the SW area of WI and going NE or just > through SW WI? Reason I ask is that I live in La Crosse. I start out in Platteville(SWWI) Then go "home" in Algoma(NEWI) My '88 Is being sotred and will be worked on in Waupaca though. And Terry, I am actually surprised, when I used to be a regular, It was just me and Dennis from Wi... glad to see there finally a few more.. lol. As to the cruises, for Cambirds I don't know of any around here.. wish there were though. SignatureWell catch ya later, -Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon... (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) I do wish there was more of a cruise scene around here, every weekend we go down to st paul mn there is a pretty good cruise scene. I used to live in Oshkosh, most of my relatives live in Green Bay so I know the "Fox River Valley" pretty well...AKA the "Redneck Riviera" !!! I know the Waupaca area a little, I used to go through there now and then. I used to go to Iola for the Iola Old Car show, haven't gone for a few years. I've lived all over in Wi. at one time or another. Terry > I start out in Platteville(SWWI) Then go "home" in Algoma(NEWI) My '88 Is > being sotred and will be worked on in Waupaca though. And Terry, I am > actually surprised, when I used to be a regular, It was just me and Dennis > from Wi... glad to see there finally a few more.. lol. As to the cruises, > for Cambirds I don't know of any around here.. wish there were though. I did finally get the opportunityy to get to the Iola show this year, lots of fun.. had no iidea there would be such a huge swap meet as well. And if you think that the FRV is the redneck area.. go about 60 miles east.. LOL.. This is the area that thinks filling a Camaro's gas tank full of red christmas sugar ups the resale value.. Too bad it costs about 1200.00 to repair.. grr.. SignatureWell catch ya later, -Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon... (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) Getting a 6.6 soon? Which engine is that? >I start out in Platteville(SWWI) Then go "home" in Algoma(NEWI) My '88 Is >being sotred and will be worked on in Waupaca though. And Terry, I am >actually surprised, when I used to be a regular, It was just me and Dennis >from Wi... glad to see there finally a few more.. lol. As to the cruises, >for Cambirds I don't know of any around here.. wish there were though. Well, technically not sure yet, haven't seen it yet, they say its a pontiac 400.. that came out of a 78 T/A.. but it COULD be an Olds 403 we just hope not. But either way, it has more potential.. and definately a conversation starter.. lol SignatureWell catch ya later, -Geno 1985 Blue Camaro 2.8L w/T-tops (147k and going.. getting worried though) 1988 Blue Firebird Formula 5.0L w/T-tops thats going to get a 6.6L soon... (Still looking for an '82-'84 T/A.. or parts from one...) > When I bought my Camaro (1968), about 1 year ago, it had just been > repainted, not a show car quality job [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Terry The stuff that I use is Mequires. Best stuff on the market. I start with a #6 and work up to #1, all by hand. You want to use lint free Terrycloth towels, from a automotive paint supply store. They must be silicone free! For between rub out cleanings I use Maguire's Final Inspection. Heck I even clean sun glasses with the stuff. #6 will even take out light scuff marks from a paint trade, as long as it was a gentle one. Charles Try the stuff the pros use - check out these products http://www.fareclausa.com/rubbing.htm You have to buy it from a car paint supplier - not the local speed shop. You could email them to find your nearest stockist. Its expensive but the best. They make a range of different products - your choice depends on how flat your paint is & therefore the degree of abrasiveness you need to bring back the shine & cut out any scratches. Most bodyshops use powered polishers because of their throughput, but you'll get the same results manually - with more effort! Apply it to a wet good quality polishing cloth - not any old rags! Good luck! > When I bought my Camaro (1968), about 1 year ago, it had just been > repainted, not a show car quality job [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Terry Overpriced repackaged sh.t! You can buy 3-M over the counter for less money, without the risk of staining! Refinish King PS In 36 years, I've never seen that stuff in any auto body trade magazine, or any of the hundreds of body shops or recon shops that I've visited! > Try the stuff the pros use - check out these products > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > > Terry > Try the stuff the pros use - check out these products > > http://www.fareclausa.com/rubbing.htm Bull-Mother-Fuckingg-Faggit-sh.t-In-A-Cup. No Pro uses no-name sh.t. I they do they are a f.cking HACK who needs a bullet in the skull. Charles Someone that has done Pro-Body work in a True Pro Shop. > > Try the stuff the pros use - check out these products > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Charles > Someone that has done Pro-Body work in a True Pro Shop. Hey guys, Dave lives in England and is recommending a product from Britain. I've never used it but he may be familiar with how good it is. I didn't see what type of paint system the original poster wants to buff but for a base clear I use the following with good results: Rubbing Compound - 3M 5973 Compounding Pad - 3M 5719 Foam Polishing Glaze - 3M 5995 Foam Pad - 3M 5725 Go to a paint shop and see what they recommend for the paint that is on the car. Remember to keep the pads clean, stay away from sharp edges and don't try to go too fast. Just do a section at a time until you are happy with it. If you've never done it try to get some professional help on the side for weekend cash and let them teach you how to do it right. Dave Make sure to tape the edges too! Refinish King > > > Try the stuff the pros use - check out these products > > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Dave I say, steady on old chap! Farecla is market leader over here in Europe, so its hardly 'no name' stuff. Maybe you have different brands your side of 'the pond', but Maguires is good stuff too! Only tryin' to help another F body fan! Dave > > Try the stuff the pros use - check out these products > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Charles > Someone that has done Pro-Body work in a True Pro Shop. |
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