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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / June 2004

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FS Mint 86 Corvette Coupe in Toronto with only 39k KM

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SA - 31 May 2004 19:57 GMT
Hello,

I am selling a 1986 Corvette with 39,900 original KM.  The car is next to
perfect shape.  I doubt you will find a cleaner vette of this vintage.  The
colour is silver/grey with dark grey leather interior.  If maintained this
car will no doubt hold its value or appreciate in value.  Looking for offers
over $20,000 CDN.

For pics, and more details go to;

www.avnirvana.com/corvette
Sting Ray - 31 May 2004 22:15 GMT
> Hello,
>
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> www.avnirvana.com/corvette

I'd be a bit wary, since the numbers on the odometer are out of line!!!
Tedd Riggs - 01 Jun 2004 01:40 GMT
StingRay,
   Dumb question...What do you mean on the odometer ?  It's got what he
says it has for mileage.
Or are you physically saying they are not lining up even ? To me, the
important ones, the 399 look pretty even, maybe the last 3 is a tiny bit
low. Or am I missing something obvious ?  It does look clean, altho would
feel better having a VIN number with it...Also looks like a little too much
air in the tires wore out the middle of them.

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Tedd Riggs
Redmond, WA

>> Hello,
>>
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> I'd be a bit wary, since the numbers on the odometer are out of line!!!
Sting Ray - 01 Jun 2004 03:32 GMT
Tedd, by saying "the numbers on the odometer are out of line", yes, the
numbers out of line with each other and are not lining up evenly.  Go back
and look at the first of the two shots of the odometer. The odometer reads
039933.7 miles. Starting from the left, the 0 is considerably lower than the
subsequent 39. The second 9 is out of line with the first 9. Then 33 is
considerably lower than both of the 9's. Then take another look at the
second picture of the odometer and these same inconsistancies stand out
better. This can often be a sign of tampering. - Sting Ray

> StingRay,
>     Dumb question...What do you mean on the odometer ?  It's got what he
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> feel better having a VIN number with it...Also looks like a little too much
> air in the tires wore out the middle of them.
Tedd Riggs - 01 Jun 2004 22:20 GMT
StingRay,
   I was looking at the way the number line up from the top of the bezel
(second picture) and to me, the first 0 did look a bit off, but at first few
looks, the 399 looked even from the top, from the bottom I noticed either
some glare on the  first 9 or maybe it is the top of the Zero about ready to
come up.

   I dumped the second photo into a graphics program and lightened up the
photo alot and also enlarged it 4X and the numbers do look nasty. Also the
black Phillips head screw about an inch to the left of the odometer looks
like it has been removed before. The first 0 is way off. Maybe that is why
the second photo was taken at such a angle so you could not see much of the
0 ?  Straight on would have been better.

   I thought that around 1980 they made the odometers pretty much
tamperproof ?  So I agree, its either been changed or a rotten odometer
gears.

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Tedd Riggs
Redmond, WA

> Tedd, by saying "the numbers on the odometer are out of line", yes, the
> numbers out of line with each other and are not lining up evenly.  Go back
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> much
>> air in the tires wore out the middle of them.
Sting Ray - 01 Jun 2004 22:43 GMT
Tedd, sadly, people always manage to find ways to tamper with tamperproof
assemblies. Toronto has had many used car dealers lose their licenses for
tampering with odometers over the years. That black Phillips head screw
probably verifies our suspicions. - Sting Ray

> StingRay,
>     I was looking at the way the number line up from the top of the bezel
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> > much
> >> air in the tires wore out the middle of them.
Diode - 01 Jun 2004 05:17 GMT
Sting Ray spoke thusly...

> I'd be a bit wary, since the numbers on the odometer are out of line!!!

Maybe they're crooked because the car is drunk...you can tell that it's
a party animal...look at the beer bottles in the last picture of the
first page...

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-|>|- Diode -|<|-
'68 L-79 Coupe
'79 Triumph Bonneville
Shut up, dave.
Professional driver on a closed course.  Do not attempt.
Actual mileage may vary.

Sting Ray - 01 Jun 2004 22:44 GMT
LMAO! Diode, spoken like someone who has been there, done that! <grin> -
Sting Ray

> Sting Ray spoke thusly...
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> a party animal...look at the beer bottles in the last picture of the
> first page...
Diode - 02 Jun 2004 04:29 GMT
Sting Ray spoke thusly...

> LMAO! Diode, spoken like someone who has been there, done that! <grin> -
<snip>

Yea, back when I could do that kind of thing, my odometer numbers were
askew on many an occasion...I used up my share though :o)

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-|>|- Diode -|<|-
'68 L-79 Coupe
'79 Triumph Bonneville
Shut up, dave.
Professional driver on a closed course.  Do not attempt.
Actual mileage may vary.

SA - 03 Jun 2004 17:31 GMT
I can assure everyone that the odometer has not been tampered with. I am the
second owner of the car which was purchased from a 60+ year old man 7-8
years ago. I have only put about 5000k since owning the car as this is not a
daily driver but the occasional Sunday driver (only during the best of
weather and only when I know that I can trust where the car will be parked -
ie no shopping mall driving). The car still has the original tires! Those
who are interested are more that welcome to come over and take a look. Once
the car has been seen in person, there will be no doubt as to its
originality. BTW, the car still has 1999 plates on the car. I have only been
driving the car every couple of weeks around the block. Both my "toy" cars
are being sold to help finance the building of a custom home.

As for the screw being damaged? I can't see anything wrong with it. Although
I am thinking of bringing the car to the dealership to replace a bulb or two
on the dash.

It is kind of sad how everyone thinks the worst of a situation without
actually seeing the car. I would be interested in seeing odometers of other
86 corvettes to see if this same shifting is evident. I don't know what else
to say to prove my point, but if anyone is in the Toronto Area and would
like to look at the car, shoot me a note.

One last thing the car has 39,900 Kilometers or 24,700 Miles.

Take Care
Diode - 03 Jun 2004 18:04 GMT
SA spoke thusly:

> I have only put about 5000k since owning the car as this is not a

Holy crap! 5 million miles!

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Shut up, Dave.

-|>|- Diode -|<|-
'68 L-79 Coupe
'79 Triumph Bonneville

Tedd Riggs - 03 Jun 2004 23:04 GMT
>>Holy crap! 5 million miles!<<

Wonder if it needs new tires yet ?   Wow if he followed the 3000 mile
schedule that would be about 1667 oil changes and if synthetic at about $50
per change....Dang good investment, only $83,000 for oil....

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Tedd Riggs
Redmond, WA

> SA spoke thusly:
>
>> I have only put about 5000k since owning the car as this is not a
>
> Holy crap! 5 million miles!
Tedd Riggs - 03 Jun 2004 18:08 GMT
SA,
   I was at a place that has a good collection of 86 (and similar year)
corvettes and in looking at the odometers on those, one was lined up
perfectly and the other 6 of them looked about like yours or maybe a little
worse. Comment on the screw was just looked like some paint missing or it
had been opened, but it was hard to tell. With an 86,  I would expect that a
number of them have had the dash off as 18 years on dash light bulbs would
be a record.  So I was not making a "worst case view" of the whole thing,
just responding to what had been said as I am no odometer expert in any way
!
Sorry if I came off the wrong way, did not mean to doubt you. Was just using
my "Engineering and Photo Logic" to look at the pictures is all.

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Tedd Riggs
Redmond, WA

>I can assure everyone that the odometer has not been tampered with. I am
>the
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> Take Care
194377'n'1Z37W2 - 03 Jun 2004 22:10 GMT
> I was at a place that has a good collection of 86 (and similar year)
> corvettes and in looking at the odometers on those, one was lined up
> perfectly and the other 6 of them looked about like yours or maybe a little
> worse.

The odometer in question is/was only 66.3 miles from turning over to
40,000 - I'm thinking the numbers are slowly rolling in prep of the
milestone and that's why the misalignment.

Here's waving to ya - \||||

Owen
SA - 03 Jun 2004 22:16 GMT
Finally a comment that makes sense :-)  (not ment to piss off the doubters)
Silly correction though --- Kilometers not Miles ;-)

> > I was at a place that has a good collection of 86 (and similar year)
> > corvettes and in looking at the odometers on those, one was lined up
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> Owen
Tedd Riggs - 03 Jun 2004 23:10 GMT
SA,
   You know us Americans, give us a mile and we will take a Kilometer <g>

Now wait, maybe its the other way around, that would be a bad deal then !
Did not even think about the 66.3 Kilometers, good point as that does
happen.
Ok, all charges dropped...
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Tedd Riggs
Redmond, WA

> Finally a comment that makes sense :-)  (not ment to piss off the
> doubters)
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>>
>> Owen
dave - 03 Jun 2004 17:46 GMT
hmm, yea I see that.. but I have had cars that tend to draw the preceeding
numbers down abitt especially when the following number is reaching closer
to a 9's,99's,999's digit.
whether it -has- been tampered, ya just dont know.

> > Hello,
> >
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>
> I'd be a bit wary, since the numbers on the odometer are out of line!!!
SA - 03 Jun 2004 18:30 GMT
Bottom line is, so called "experts" would be able to tell if this car is has
been tampered with when looking at the car in person.  One should be able to
look at the wear and tear on the car and see if it has 39,000KM or 70,000KM
and for someone to tamper with the Odometer to remove 10-20,000km would just
be dumb.  Afterall, how much more could one get for a car with 20,000km less
and is it worth the effort or risk of being caught.  BTW, in Ontario when
you sell a car you have to supply a used car package.  I assume details
concerning KM would be part of this package.

Sorry for the late replies to all these accusations.  I forgot that I posted
this message to alt.autos.corvette.  I was checking all the local buy.sell
groups but not this one.  It was NOT because I was guilty as charge LOL!

> hmm, yea I see that.. but I have had cars that tend to draw the preceeding
> numbers down abitt especially when the following number is reaching closer
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> >
> > I'd be a bit wary, since the numbers on the odometer are out of line!!!
Ben - 29 Jun 2004 05:08 GMT
You can also go to www.autocheck.com and do a history check which
includes odometer tampering reports, previous owners, accident
reports, etc. for about $20.

Ben
...............
www.carpages.ca

> Bottom line is, so called "experts" would be able to tell if this car is has
> been tampered with when looking at the car in person.  One should be able to
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> > >
> > > I'd be a bit wary, since the numbers on the odometer are out of line!!!
 
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