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Tom - 08 Jan 2005 02:21 GMT I live in a low area near a creek that normally has 2 feet of water and this recent weather had me sweating bullets!
Water was surrounding my entire house (looked like a houseboat) and it got into my garage. There was only about 1" of water on the floor of the garage my Vette sits in. All this and the forcast was for another entire day and night of rain.
To top all this off, I called my insurance agent a couple of days ago when the water started rising, to check that I had enough coverage on my property. Found out my flood insurance was cancelled 4 years ago when I refinance after my divorce. OMG!! No insurance???
Well, the water has retreated back into the banks of the creek today and my policy will be in force 30 days from now (mandatory waiting period). Only real loss was a water logged John Deere riding mower which I will deal with in the spring.
Thank God!
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TF - 08 Jan 2005 19:15 GMT Next time, get in and drive it somewhere else. I'm glad you made it through. TF
>I live in a low area near a creek that normally has 2 feet of water and > this recent weather had me sweating bullets! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Thank God! Scubabix - 08 Jan 2005 21:48 GMT My 78 was filled to the middle of the seats during the hurricanes this year here in FL. Engine's shot and didn't expect it to get quite that deep in the location it sits. My 96 was high and dry though.
Rob
>I live in a low area near a creek that normally has 2 feet of water and > this recent weather had me sweating bullets! [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Thank God! StingRay - 08 Jan 2005 22:37 GMT Rob, a dumb question - does your car insurance cover damage from a hurricane? Just curious. Are you replacing/rebuilding the engine in the 78? - SR
> My 78 was filled to the middle of the seats during the hurricanes this > year here in FL. Engine's shot and didn't expect it to get quite that [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Thank God! Marty - 09 Jan 2005 07:39 GMT I was wondering the same, also was it saltwater? That would really suck. Marty
> Rob, a dumb question - does your car insurance cover damage from a > hurricane? Just curious. Are you replacing/rebuilding the engine in the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> deep in the location it sits. >> My 96 was high and dry though. Scubabix - 09 Jan 2005 13:58 GMT It was fresh water. I could claim it under my homeowners insurance, but, the companies were allowed to increase their deductibles to several thousand dollars for hurricane damage. Another fine example of how the blood sucking bastards rip everyone off. Ok, enough of that. The car is awaiting a complete rebuild. It was a learning experience of a Corvette NOT to buy. The fact it flooded sounds a lot worse than it was, the interior has already been stripped out, the rebuilt seats I'm going to put into it are in my bedroom, high and dry.
Rob
>I was wondering the same, also was it saltwater? That would really suck. > Marty [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> deep in the location it sits. >>> My 96 was high and dry though. 'Key - 09 Jan 2005 16:32 GMT > It was fresh water. I could claim it under my homeowners > insurance, but, the companies were allowed to increase > their deductibles to several thousand dollars for > hurricane damage. Another fine example of how the blood > sucking bastards rip everyone off. ---snip---
> Rob sure they were allowed to increase their deductables for hurricane damage. how many hurricanes have hit Florida now ? how do you figure they have ripped anyone off ? you are lucky to be able to get insurance at all.
just my2?
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RicSeyler - 09 Jan 2005 17:34 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >how do you figure they have ripped anyone off ? >you are lucky to be able to get insurance at all. Do you live in Florida and have you been through any hurricanes? Then you would know how the Insurance companies are absolutely ripping people off. There are now investigations all across the state looking into their practices and new laws are being written.
There are many many nightmare stories in every county across the state that was affected. And BTW we Forced the companies into Florida to do business and take our money??
just my first hand experience 2¢.......
>just my2¢ >
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Charles Spitzer - 10 Jan 2005 16:11 GMT i think you'll be lucky to find any insurance companies in business in the state at some near point in time. creating laws to prevent them from increasing rates/deductables to match losses is a really good way for them to exit the state.
'Key wrote:
It was fresh water. I could claim it under my homeowners insurance, but, the companies were allowed to increase their deductibles to several thousand dollars for hurricane damage. Another fine example of how the blood sucking bastards rip everyone off.
---snip---
Rob
sure they were allowed to increase their deductables for hurricane damage. how many hurricanes have hit Florida now ? how do you figure they have ripped anyone off ? you are lucky to be able to get insurance at all. Do you live in Florida and have you been through any hurricanes? Then you would know how the Insurance companies are absolutely ripping people off. There are now investigations all across the state looking into their practices and new laws are being written.
There are many many nightmare stories in every county across the state that was affected. And BTW we Forced the companies into Florida to do business and take our money??
just my first hand experience 2?.......
just my2?
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-------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
RicSeyler - 10 Jan 2005 17:40 GMT That's not all of it Charles. Much of the new laws are being designed to prevent the vague and easily manipulated contracts the companies have issued..
The companies that cover wind and debris damage are going against the companies that cover water and flood. Crazy sh.t going on and the customer is caught between.
For instance a tree in your yard is blown onto your roof. It pokes a hole in your roof flooding your whole house and collapsing the ceiling and ruining the drywall and floors.
People are being told by Company A (that covers wind and debris)...... Water actually caused the damage, we won't cover it... Company B (that covers water and flood)....... A tree caused a hole in the roof, not the storm surge or flooding water, we won't cover it.
Companies that cover flooding are saying your walls are only damaged up to 2 feet from the floor, so we will only pay for fixing PART of your wall the, first 2 feet only..... Companies that cover wind and debris are saying we won't cover the missing roof on your home because water got under the shingles and caused them to come loose, and the exposed plywood wouldn't of collapsed and leaked if water didn't get under the shingles....
They are literally screwing customers that have paid premiums for years. They are just pulling numbers out of the air for costs of rebuilding. With 1968 costs per foot to rebuild. No matter what you valued your home at and thus paying premiums toward.
The paper is full of stories of people that have every piece of insurance coverage available with $400,000 homes that are destroyed getting checks for $300. There are law firms that have conference meetings for the public at the civic center every other week. It's out of hand. And after the accounting was done the Insurance Companies STILL HAD a profitable year in the state of Florida.. That's the Nut Twister and a Slap.
I had my contents valued at $50,000 and have been paying premiums on that amount for 10 years. They tried to write me a check for $10,000 the day after the storm, hoping I'd be to torn up from the storm to be thinking. I had to holler and scream all the way up the line for weeks and weeks before they had to write me a check for Fifty grand. Plus $2500 for debris removal. If I wasn't an a.shole and actually read my contract back to front over and over and bitched and bitched I would of been screwed over. How many other people just take what they offer and don't know better..... Dirty dirt dealings.
Then frikin Teflon Dubya Bush coming here right after the storm (before the election!!) strutting around saying there will be all this help..... Well all the giant live Oaks all over the city were down everywhere in the streets, yards on homes.... The Feds said that if individual home owners didn't pay thousands of dollars each to clear the trees out of their yards for "safety reasons" the government will be forced to put liens on their homes. AFTER everyone's homes had LIENS against them THEN we will see if there is anything we can do. It will depend on how many Liens per Cappata there turns out to be. Sorry that's the policy. f.cking terrible. People were homeless and completely broke from businesses being closed down, and giant unexpected amounts of money coming out of households for the exorbitant deductibles that popped up all of a sudden were told, by the way we are putting a federal lien on your home.. Needless to say Bush is generally hated around here.
>i think you'll be lucky to find any insurance companies in business in the >state at some near point in time. creating laws to prevent them from >increasing rates/deductables to match losses is a really good way for them >to exit the state. >
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-------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
Charlie - 10 Jan 2005 19:58 GMT Well, it's not Bush, it's the government. Only an idiot would believe the line, we're the Federal Government and we're here to help you. Yeah, you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I only had my house destroyed in TS Allison. I fought State Farm for over 2 years and still lost over $25K in recoverable money they owed us. They turned off their phones and moved their offices and didn't let people know how to get a hold of them for 6 months and then they wouldn't extend the deadline to get the receipts in. But I will say that some are correct in warning you that many companies will threaten to move out, or they will make it damn near impossible for you to get insurance again for a period of time. Here, the state had to step in and set up a program for homeowners caught in that position. Here, some people could not get insurance for up to 3 years after they flooded. Try to buy another house or keep a mortgage without homeowners insurance. In areas that have flooded numerous times, no insurance was offered, these people had to take the buyouts. These were way less than what they were worth. It will be the same for Florida, if you chose to live in the path of disaster, you'll have to pay for it. The rest of the people are beginning to question how many times they are going to be required to bail out those that put themselves in these places. And I was one of those, even though I was my house was only in a hundred year flood plain, it was still in a flood plain. And insurance doesn't cover flooding, flood insurance covers flooding, and it only covers up to the dry line. It doesn't replace the entire inside walls. If you have less than 2 feet of water, they'll replace 2 foot of sheetrock and insulation. If you have less than 4 feet of water, they'll replace up to 4 foot of sheetrock and insulation.
 Signature Charlie !993 Corvette Convertible
That's not all of it Charles. Much of the new laws are being designed to prevent the vague and easily manipulated contracts the companies have issued..
The companies that cover wind and debris damage are going against the companies that cover water and flood. Crazy sh.t going on and the customer is caught between.
For instance a tree in your yard is blown onto your roof. It pokes a hole in your roof flooding your whole house and collapsing the ceiling and ruining the drywall and floors.
People are being told by Company A (that covers wind and debris)...... Water actually caused the damage, we won't cover it... Company B (that covers water and flood)....... A tree caused a hole in the roof, not the storm surge or flooding water, we won't cover it.
Companies that cover flooding are saying your walls are only damaged up to 2 feet from the floor, so we will only pay for fixing PART of your wall the, first 2 feet only..... Companies that cover wind and debris are saying we won't cover the missing roof on your home because water got under the shingles and caused them to come loose, and the exposed plywood wouldn't of collapsed and leaked if water didn't get under the shingles....
They are literally screwing customers that have paid premiums for years. They are just pulling numbers out of the air for costs of rebuilding. With 1968 costs per foot to rebuild. No matter what you valued your home at and thus paying premiums toward.
The paper is full of stories of people that have every piece of insurance coverage available with $400,000 homes that are destroyed getting checks for $300. There are law firms that have conference meetings for the public at the civic center every other week. It's out of hand. And after the accounting was done the Insurance Companies STILL HAD a profitable year in the state of Florida.. That's the Nut Twister and a Slap.
I had my contents valued at $50,000 and have been paying premiums on that amount for 10 years. They tried to write me a check for $10,000 the day after the storm, hoping I'd be to torn up from the storm to be thinking. I had to holler and scream all the way up the line for weeks and weeks before they had to write me a check for Fifty grand. Plus $2500 for debris removal. If I wasn't an a.shole and actually read my contract back to front over and over and bitched and bitched I would of been screwed over. How many other people just take what they offer and don't know better..... Dirty dirt dealings.
Then frikin Teflon Dubya Bush coming here right after the storm (before the election!!) strutting around saying there will be all this help..... Well all the giant live Oaks all over the city were down everywhere in the streets, yards on homes.... The Feds said that if individual home owners didn't pay thousands of dollars each to clear the trees out of their yards for "safety reasons" the government will be forced to put liens on their homes. AFTER everyone's homes had LIENS against them THEN we will see if there is anything we can do. It will depend on how many Liens per Cappata there turns out to be. Sorry that's the policy. f.cking terrible. People were homeless and completely broke from businesses being closed down, and giant unexpected amounts of money coming out of households for the exorbitant deductibles that popped up all of a sudden were told, by the way we are putting a federal lien on your home.. Needless to say Bush is generally hated around here.
Charles Spitzer wrote:
>i think you'll be lucky to find any insurance companies in business in the >state at some near point in time. creating laws to prevent them from >increasing rates/deductables to match losses is a really good way for them >to exit the state. > >
-- Ric Seyler
-------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
RicSeyler - 10 Jan 2005 20:27 GMT "It's not Bush, it's the government"...... The Teflon Messiah strikes again. <rolls eyes> 9/11 not my fault, Abu Grabe not my fault, thousands of kids dying in Iraq not my fault, Iraq is now a terrorist haven not my fault, Bin Laden still making tapes and running free not my fault, gas prices out of control not my fault, health insurance and prescription drugs unaffordable not my fault, biggest loss of jobs of any president not my fault, Kim Jung threatening with nukes not my fault, Nukes reported being developed in middle east countries not my fault.
Then Bush shouldn't of been down here strutting around like the Messiah..... And I've got no problem paying for insurance for where I live, always have.
I have a big problem with the Insurance Companies not providing what their contracts state they are responsible for. And as far as the "rest of the people" bailing out anyone?!?! We PAY insurance companies premiums for that. NOBODY is bailing us out.. The Government is putting liens on people's homes for trees they can't afford to remove at the moment.. That's not giving us anything.....
FEMA has provided trailers to live in til homes can get repaired. But they are there for hurricane victims, also fire victims out west, and tornado victims in the mid west. Guess nobody should live there either........ sheesh.
And as far as flood contracts covering up to the dryline only.... That's not true for all policy writers, that's for the "Last Line of Coverage" subsidized companies here in FL.. That's why there are thousands of lawsuits happening right now... and the Insurance Companies shirking their legal responsibilities.
> Well, it's not Bush, it's the government. Only an idiot would believe > the line, we're the Federal Government and we're here to help you. [quoted text clipped - 140 lines] > "Homer no function beer well without." > - H.J. Simpson
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Charles Spitzer - 10 Jan 2005 21:13 GMT if the contract states it, then i agree with you.
however, everyone in your state is not paying for their own damages. that's not how insurance works. the costs get averaged over the entire insured base, so the premiums from one part of the country (unless the company is only selling in that part) is spread across the country to all insured being covered in all areas.
seems that your increased rates are a result of the damages and increased perceived risk in that part of the country. that alone will tend to drive out both people who can't afford, or won't buy, insurance and companies who don't want the increased risk. you'll be left with companies of last resort, and they can basically write whatever they want into their contracts. if the gov't forces them to have certain clauses, then the premiums will reflect that perceived risk.
I have a big problem with the Insurance Companies not providing what their contracts state they are responsible for. And as far as the "rest of the people" bailing out anyone?!?! We PAY insurance companies premiums for that. NOBODY is bailing us out.. The Government is putting liens on people's homes for trees they can't afford to remove at the moment.. That's not giving us anything.....
RicSeyler - 10 Jan 2005 22:17 GMT I don't have any problem paying what it costs for insurance in my area. Just the companies not honoring their contracts and taking advantage of people just because they can. That's all I'm trying to say. :-) LOL
>if the contract states it, then i agree with you. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >
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lab~rat - 11 Jan 2005 14:26 GMT >I don't have any problem paying what it costs for insurance in my area. >Just the companies not honoring their contracts and taking advantage of >people >just because they can. That's all I'm trying to say. :-) LOL A friend of mine had her home damaged in one hurricane and the roof peeled off in another. The insurance company is trying to hit her with TWO deductibles, which are about 14,000 each.
Had the first damage been fixed timely, it's likely she wouldn't have lost her roof.
-- lab~rat >:-) The less you care, the more it doesn't matter.
RicSeyler - 11 Jan 2005 21:31 GMT That's the first thing Jeb Bush said is going to be passed.. I deductible per storm season.
> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >The less you care, the more it doesn't matter. >
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Charlie - 11 Jan 2005 03:57 GMT Well Bubba, there's only 1 Flood Insurance Underwriter and it's called the NFIP and it's a government program paid for by the participants. All the rules are the same for all the areas across the country. If your property gets flooded, no matter which company sells it to you, it comes from the same place. And when I stop laughing, you can tell me again how far you think people are going to get suing the government over a standardized policy. Maybe you've been through one too many of them hurricanes.
As for the Messiah, maybe he shouldn't send any help next time. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess. Bush's visit was a symbolic gesture to show people others are thinking of them and care. His strutting was signing those disaster aid packages before those storms even finished their trek through your state. But that's what you get for having his brother as your governor. I'd say you were pretty damned lucky. Many places could only dream of such access.
And blaming him for 9/11 and the rest of that diatribe? Hell, we can blame you or anyone else just as easily. Bin Laden's been after us for a lot longer than Bush has been President, so has Hussein. Kim Jong Il wouldn't be a threat if Albright hadn't screwed up that deal during the Clinton years. They just let him go. What a bunch of fools. Gas Prices? How old are you? Have you ever bought gas overseas? And health insurance, prescription drugs and jobs? What to do drive, a Yugo? This is America, the President doesn't create jobs. The President isn't responsible for your health insurance and prescription drugs. If you want a system like that, move to Cuba. I'm sure you can find a nice old car to scoot around in while the government gives you a job, gives you health care and doles out your aspirin.
 Signature Charlie !993 Corvette Convertible
"It's not Bush, it's the government"...... The Teflon Messiah strikes again. <rolls eyes> 9/11 not my fault, Abu Grabe not my fault, thousands of kids dying in Iraq not my fault, Iraq is now a terrorist haven not my fault, Bin Laden still making tapes and running free not my fault, gas prices out of control not my fault, health insurance and prescription drugs unaffordable not my fault, biggest loss of jobs of any president not my fault, Kim Jung threatening with nukes not my fault, Nukes reported being developed in middle east countries not my fault.
Then Bush shouldn't of been down here strutting around like the Messiah..... And I've got no problem paying for insurance for where I live, always have.
I have a big problem with the Insurance Companies not providing what their contracts state they are responsible for. And as far as the "rest of the people" bailing out anyone?!?! We PAY insurance companies premiums for that. NOBODY is bailing us out.. The Government is putting liens on people's homes for trees they can't afford to remove at the moment.. That's not giving us anything.....
FEMA has provided trailers to live in til homes can get repaired. But they are there for hurricane victims, also fire victims out west, and tornado victims in the mid west. Guess nobody should live there either........ sheesh.
And as far as flood contracts covering up to the dryline only.... That's not true for all policy writers, that's for the "Last Line of Coverage" subsidized companies here in FL.. That's why there are thousands of lawsuits happening right now... and the Insurance Companies shirking their legal responsibilities.
Charlie wrote:
Well, it's not Bush, it's the government. Only an idiot would believe the line, we're the Federal Government and we're here to help you. Yeah, you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I only had my house destroyed in TS Allison. I fought State Farm for over 2 years and still lost over $25K in recoverable money they owed us. They turned off their phones and moved their offices and didn't let people know how to get a hold of them for 6 months and then they wouldn't extend the deadline to get the receipts in. But I will say that some are correct in warning you that many companies will threaten to move out, or they will make it damn near impossible for you to get insurance again for a period of time. Here, the state had to step in and set up a program for homeowners caught in that position. Here, some people could not get insurance for up to 3 years after they flooded. Try to buy another house or keep a mortgage without homeowners insurance. In areas that have flooded numerous times, no insurance was offered, these people had to take the buyouts. These were way less than what they were worth. It will be the same for Florida, if you chose to live in the path of disaster, you'll have to pay for it. The rest of the people are beginning to question how many times they are going to be required to bail out those that put themselves in these places. And I was one of those, even though I was my house was only in a hundred year flood plain, it was still in a flood plain. And insurance doesn't cover flooding, flood insurance covers flooding, and it only covers up to the dry line. It doesn't replace the entire inside walls. If you have less than 2 feet of water, they'll replace 2 foot of sheetrock and insulation. If you have less than 4 feet of water, they'll replace up to 4 foot of sheetrock and insulation.
 Signature Charlie !993 Corvette Convertible "RicSeyler" <ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net> wrote in message news:J2zEd.5992$zy6.5675@bignews5.bellsouth.net... That's not all of it Charles. Much of the new laws are being designed to prevent the vague and easily manipulated contracts the companies have issued..
The companies that cover wind and debris damage are going against the companies that cover water and flood. Crazy sh.t going on and the customer is caught between.
For instance a tree in your yard is blown onto your roof. It pokes a hole in your roof flooding your whole house and collapsing the ceiling and ruining the drywall and floors.
People are being told by Company A (that covers wind and debris)...... Water actually caused the damage, we won't cover it... Company B (that covers water and flood)....... A tree caused a hole in the roof, not the storm surge or flooding water, we won't cover it.
Companies that cover flooding are saying your walls are only damaged up to 2 feet from the floor, so we will only pay for fixing PART of your wall the, first 2 feet only..... Companies that cover wind and debris are saying we won't cover the missing roof on your home because water got under the shingles and caused them to come loose, and the exposed plywood wouldn't of collapsed and leaked if water didn't get under the shingles....
They are literally screwing customers that have paid premiums for years. They are just pulling numbers out of the air for costs of rebuilding. With 1968 costs per foot to rebuild. No matter what you valued your home at and thus paying premiums toward.
The paper is full of stories of people that have every piece of insurance coverage available with $400,000 homes that are destroyed getting checks for $300. There are law firms that have conference meetings for the public at the civic center every other week. It's out of hand. And after the accounting was done the Insurance Companies STILL HAD a profitable year in the state of Florida.. That's the Nut Twister and a Slap.
I had my contents valued at $50,000 and have been paying premiums on that amount for 10 years. They tried to write me a check for $10,000 the day after the storm, hoping I'd be to torn up from the storm to be thinking. I had to holler and scream all the way up the line for weeks and weeks before they had to write me a check for Fifty grand. Plus $2500 for debris removal. If I wasn't an a.shole and actually read my contract back to front over and over and bitched and bitched I would of been screwed over. How many other people just take what they offer and don't know better..... Dirty dirt dealings.
Then frikin Teflon Dubya Bush coming here right after the storm (before the election!!) strutting around saying there will be all this help..... Well all the giant live Oaks all over the city were down everywhere in the streets, yards on homes.... The Feds said that if individual home owners didn't pay thousands of dollars each to clear the trees out of their yards for "safety reasons" the government will be forced to put liens on their homes. AFTER everyone's homes had LIENS against them THEN we will see if there is anything we can do. It will depend on how many Liens per Cappata there turns out to be. Sorry that's the policy. f.cking terrible. People were homeless and completely broke from businesses being closed down, and giant unexpected amounts of money coming out of households for the exorbitant deductibles that popped up all of a sudden were told, by the way we are putting a federal lien on your home.. Needless to say Bush is generally hated around here.
Charles Spitzer wrote:
>i think you'll be lucky to find any insurance companies in business in the >state at some near point in time. creating laws to prevent them from >increasing rates/deductables to match losses is a really good way for them >to exit the state.
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-------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson
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RicSeyler - 11 Jan 2005 15:38 GMT >Well Bubba, there's only 1 Flood Insurance Underwriter and it's called the >NFIP and it's a government program paid for by the participants. All the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >think people are going to get suing the government over a standardized >policy. Maybe you've been through one too many of them hurricanes. Might want to check the legal actions that are taking place right now. It's in the papers every week. So are the legal conferences that are held bi-monthly and have hundreds in attendance at the civic center. It's very easy to sit on the outside and look in, and know all the answers.
>As for the Messiah, maybe he shouldn't send any help next time. Damned if >you do, damned if you don't I guess. Bush's visit was a symbolic gesture to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >governor. I'd say you were pretty damned lucky. Many places could only >dream of such access. FWIW I haven't received a single thing, NOTHING from the Messiah or his actions.. And I lost everything I own and my home. I didn't expect to. But to try and say I'm damn lucky for him is completely ludicrous.
>And blaming him for 9/11 and the rest of that diatribe? Hell, we can blame >you or anyone else just as easily. Bin Laden's been after us for a lot [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >aspirin. > If you grasp the gist of my post on this you would see that I'm not BLAMING him for 9/11, I'm calling him out for NEVER taking responsiblility for ANYTHING EVER, NADA NOPE. Even when the Teflon Messiah was directly asked he couldn't think of a thing he was responsible for.
But in the end there is nothing I can do about it, so life goes on
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rgf - 11 Jan 2005 18:07 GMT And I thought this was a Corvette NG. Stupid me!
> Well Bubba, there's only 1 Flood Insurance Underwriter and it's called the > NFIP and it's a government program paid for by the participants. All the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > think people are going to get suing the government over a standardized > policy. Maybe you've been through one too many of them hurricanes. Charlie, if you checked this out you'd see there really is something going on. People are NOT happy.
> As for the Messiah, maybe he shouldn't send any help next time. Damned if > you do, damned if you don't I guess. Bush's visit was a symbolic gesture to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > governor. I'd say you were pretty damned lucky. Many places could only > dream of such access. Nice to know everyone is equal.
> And blaming him for 9/11 and the rest of that diatribe? Hell, we can blame > you or anyone else just as easily. You really should study the history of these events.
Bin Laden's been after us for a lot
> longer than Bush has been President, so has Hussein. Gosh, I wonder how they got started?
Kim Jong Il wouldn't
> be a threat if Albright hadn't screwed up that deal during the Clinton > years. They just let him go. What a bunch of fools. Her replacement is obviously in the mystical genius class.
Gas Prices?
You fellas would be well advised to know a little historical fact or two here as well. Gas prices are way behind inflation and the supply is mostly out of country. The current pricing can't hold forever as the U.S. government does not, much to it's dismay, control the tap.
How old
> are you? Have you ever bought gas overseas? The overseas gas prices are much closer to reality than the false pretense we live under.
And health insurance,
> prescription drugs and jobs? Health insurance and prescription drug programs seem to work elsewhere, like Austria, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, U.K., well most of the EU as well as other places. Some programs work well, some not so well. Periodically it behooves one to understand what others are doing before commenting.
What to do drive, a Yugo? This is America,
> the President doesn't create jobs. Probably he, and most world leaders, should be informed of this. Nahh, they'd have to little to talk about. More fun talking policy.
The President isn't responsible for your
> health insurance and prescription drugs. If you want a system like that, > move to Cuba. Excuse me whilst I surpress the chuckling. Better yet move to Canada, they have both programs and a massive oil reserve to help pay for it.
I'm sure you can find a nice old car to scoot around in while
> the government gives you a job, gives you health care and doles out your > aspirin. This is great stuff. Who's your writer?
Now can we get back to Corvettes?
Richard
Charles Spitzer - 11 Jan 2005 18:30 GMT > And I thought this was a Corvette NG. Stupid me! > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > The overseas gas prices are much closer to reality than the false pretense > we live under. huh? the greatest percentage of the cost of gas outside of the US is taxes, imposed to enforce low usage. how is that reality?
> And health insurance, >> prescription drugs and jobs? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Richard rgf - 12 Jan 2005 00:55 GMT >> How old >> >>>are you? Have you ever bought gas overseas? >> >>The overseas gas prices are much closer to reality than the false pretense >>we live under.
> huh? the greatest percentage of the cost of gas outside of the US is taxes, > imposed to enforce low usage. how is that reality? I'd really prefer not to go here but if you insist...
There are 42 U.S. gallons of crude oil in a barrel. Without getting in to the nuances of light, sweet, sour etc. crude we'll keep it simple and assume the current price at the well head to be about +/- $45.00. Let's just say about a buck a gallon for crude.
A barrel of crude has a processing gain of about 2.2 gallons and on average produces about 19.5 gallons of gasoline,9.2 gallons of distillate fuel oil (diesel and home heating oil), 4.1 gallons of jet fuel, 1.9 gallons liquefied refining gasses, 1.9 still gas, 1.8 coke, 1.2 asphalt and road oil, 1.2 gallons petro feedstocks, 1/2 gallon lubricants, 1/2 gallon kerosene and about .3 gallons of other products.
Producing the gasoline is substantially more costly than producing most of the other products.
Add in shipping via pipe,ship,pipe or simply pipe if the source is close to the refinery, refining costs, shipping costs to pump. Add in a nationwide average of about $.40 per gallon for various taxes. Add in profit for oil company and add in profit for the retailer.
Consider the following- U.S gasoline taxes are lower now than they were a decade ago. Current oil consumption rates lead us to believe the existing U.S. reserve may last less than 70 years and the rate is increasing somewhere between 1% and 2% pr annum. The oil industry typically spends about $.08 per gallon produced on environmental factors/protection. In 1995 the average cost of gasoline at the pumps (adjusted for inflation) was at a record 77 year low. Oil companies have not been pouring moneys into new refineries of late. Factually there are no new ones and fewer of the old ones left in the country.
There are some egg-heads that believe that gasoline prices should be at as much as $4.50 per gallon, more in line with European counterparts.
Gasoline taxes in most countries are not imposed to reduce demand, although this is a side benefit, but rather (on the face of it) to improve other transit systems. Think about it. If most households in any small (land mass) European country had two or more cars per household can one even imagine the ramifications. Traffic,roads,parking,fumes,fuel consumption ... the whole place would be just like downtown L.A.
California alone used more than 14 billion gallons of gas in 2000, a 12% increase over 1992. I suspect this increase is not slowing as there are now more cars, and people, in CA than in 2000.
It could be argued that the greatest percentage of gasoline costs outside the U.S. are taxes but it could also be argued and finitely proven that although simplistic mathematics show this to be so the reality is that one cannot seperate the sources from which taxes are collected and to what they are distributed so freely. Each country has different methods but the end result is the same. Roads must be built, buses and trains must run, governments must operate. ie. In some countries this is achieved partially through higher gasoline taxes while in other countries money is printed, without foundation, to pay for all the niceties we enjoy. Our kids get to pay for us.
Fair to say our fuel costs are lower than they should be ???
Sooner or later the piper gets paid. Pay now or pay later.
I'll stop now before I get wound up :-)
Personally I'll still drive my Corvettes the same amount of miles per annum regardless of gas prices. The odd tank full for each is not a high price to pay for the pleasure returned.
Cheers
Richard
RicSeyler - 11 Jan 2005 20:15 GMT > And I thought this was a Corvette NG. Stupid me! Ahhhhhh....... we get cranked up on OT things from time to time. :-)
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Scubabix - 14 Jan 2005 22:41 GMT > And I thought this was a Corvette NG. Stupid me! If it was my discussion about my car being flooded that started this, I apologize.
Rob
rgf - 15 Jan 2005 00:06 GMT > If it was my discussion about my car being flooded that started this, I > apologize. > Rob No apology necessary Rob except maybe from me. I did jump in with both feet :-(
Richard
RicSeyler - 15 Jan 2005 20:06 GMT LOL No need to apologize. We regulars will always find something OT to bat around from time to time. We still love each other. :-)
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Scubabix - 09 Jan 2005 21:38 GMT > sure they were allowed to increase their deductables for > hurricane damage. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > just my2? It's kind of ironic that Florida has anti-gouging laws that prevent prices for services/products from being raised excessively due to natural disasters. But, I pay my insurance every year with a $500 deductible for any claims, until a hurricane hits. Then the insurance companies are allowed to raise my deductible to $2000-$5000 dollars. That my friend is ripping everyone off. A lot of the hardest hit areas are populated by senior citizens living on pensions. $2000 out of a budget is rough on most people, let alone those on limited income. As far as being lucky to get insurance at all, that is pure and complete bullshit. I pay extra insurance for hurricane and flood coverage, I've never made a claim on that insurance, but. if I do, they'll either raise it or drop my coverage completely. That is ripping people off. And try buying any car or house without that same insurance, no matter how much you have to pay for it. That is my .02
Rob
larrybud2002@yahoo.com - 10 Jan 2005 16:03 GMT > I live in a low area near a creek that normally has 2 feet of water and > this recent weather had me sweating bullets! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > garage my Vette sits in. All this and the forcast was for another entire > day and night of rain. C'mon. You could easily jack the car up and put it on jack stands to save it another foot or so.
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