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Tom - 08 Jan 2005 02:21 GMT
I live in a low area near a creek that normally has 2 feet of water and
this recent weather had me sweating bullets!

Water was surrounding my entire house (looked like a houseboat) and it
got into my garage. There was only about 1" of water on the floor of the
garage my Vette sits in. All this and the forcast was for another entire
day and night of rain.

To top all this off, I called my insurance agent a couple of days ago
when the water started rising, to check that I had enough coverage on my
property. Found out my flood insurance was cancelled 4 years ago when I
refinance after my divorce. OMG!! No insurance???

Well, the water has retreated back into the banks of the creek today and
my policy will be in force 30 days from now (mandatory waiting period).
Only real loss was a water logged John Deere riding mower which I will
deal with in the spring.

Thank God!
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TF - 08 Jan 2005 19:15 GMT
Next time, get in and drive it somewhere else.
I'm glad you made it through.
TF

>I live in a low area near a creek that normally has 2 feet of water and
> this recent weather had me sweating bullets!
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Thank God!
Scubabix - 08 Jan 2005 21:48 GMT
My 78 was filled to the middle of the seats during the hurricanes this year
here in FL.  Engine's shot and didn't expect it to get quite that deep in
the location it sits.
My 96 was high and dry though.

Rob

>I live in a low area near a creek that normally has 2 feet of water and
> this recent weather had me sweating bullets!
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Thank God!
StingRay - 08 Jan 2005 22:37 GMT
Rob, a dumb question - does your car insurance cover damage from a
hurricane? Just curious. Are you replacing/rebuilding the engine in the
78? - SR

> My 78 was filled to the middle of the seats during the hurricanes this
> year here in FL.  Engine's shot and didn't expect it to get quite that
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>
>> Thank God!
Marty - 09 Jan 2005 07:39 GMT
I was wondering the same, also was it saltwater? That would really suck.
Marty
> Rob, a dumb question - does your car insurance cover damage from a
> hurricane? Just curious. Are you replacing/rebuilding the engine in the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> deep in the location it sits.
>> My 96 was high and dry though.
Scubabix - 09 Jan 2005 13:58 GMT
It was fresh water.  I could claim it under my homeowners insurance, but,
the companies were allowed to increase their deductibles to several thousand
dollars for hurricane damage.  Another fine example of how the blood sucking
bastards rip everyone off.  Ok, enough of that.  The car is awaiting a
complete rebuild.  It was a learning experience of a Corvette NOT to buy.
The fact it flooded sounds a lot worse than it was, the interior has already
been stripped out, the rebuilt seats I'm going to put into it are in my
bedroom, high and dry.

Rob

>I was wondering the same, also was it saltwater? That would really suck.
> Marty
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>> deep in the location it sits.
>>> My 96 was high and dry though.
'Key - 09 Jan 2005 16:32 GMT
> It was fresh water.  I could claim it under my homeowners
> insurance, but, the companies were allowed to increase
> their deductibles to several thousand dollars for
> hurricane damage.  Another fine example of how the blood
> sucking bastards rip everyone off.
---snip---

> Rob

sure they were allowed to increase their deductables for
hurricane damage.
how many hurricanes have hit Florida now ?
how do you figure they have ripped anyone off ?
you are lucky to be able to get insurance at all.

just my2?
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"Key"

RicSeyler - 09 Jan 2005 17:34 GMT
>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>how do you figure they have ripped anyone off ?
>you are lucky to be able to get insurance at all.

Do you live in Florida and have you been through any hurricanes?
Then you would know how the Insurance companies are absolutely
ripping people off. There are now investigations all across the state
looking into their practices and new laws are being written.

There are many many nightmare stories in every county across the state
that was affected.
And BTW we Forced the companies into Florida to do business and take our
money??

just my first hand experience 2¢.......

>just my2¢
>  

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Charles Spitzer - 10 Jan 2005 16:11 GMT
i think you'll be lucky to find any insurance companies in business in the
state at some near point in time. creating laws to prevent them from
increasing rates/deductables to match losses is a really good way for them
to exit the state.

'Key wrote:

It was fresh water.  I could claim it under my homeowners
insurance, but, the companies were allowed to increase
their deductibles to several thousand dollars for
hurricane damage.  Another fine example of how the blood
sucking bastards rip everyone off.

---snip---

Rob

sure they were allowed to increase their deductables for
hurricane damage.
how many hurricanes have hit Florida now ?
how do you figure they have ripped anyone off ?
you are lucky to be able to get insurance at all.
Do you live in Florida and have you been through any hurricanes?
Then you would know how the Insurance companies are absolutely
ripping people off. There are now investigations all across the state
looking into their practices and new laws are being written.

There are many many nightmare stories in every county across the state that
was affected.
And BTW we Forced the companies into Florida to do business and take our
money??

just my first hand experience 2?.......

just my2?

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"Homer no function beer well without."
- H.J. Simpson

RicSeyler - 10 Jan 2005 17:40 GMT
That's not all of it Charles. Much of the new laws are being designed to
prevent
the vague and easily manipulated contracts the companies have issued..

The companies that cover wind and debris damage are going against the
companies
that cover water and flood. Crazy sh.t going on and the customer is
caught between.

For instance a tree in your yard is blown onto your roof. It pokes a
hole in your roof
flooding your whole house and collapsing the ceiling and ruining the
drywall and floors.

People are being told by Company A (that covers wind and debris)......
Water actually
caused the damage, we won't cover it... Company B (that covers water and
flood).......
A tree caused a hole in the roof, not the storm surge or flooding water,
we won't cover it.

Companies that cover flooding are saying your walls are only damaged up
to 2 feet from the floor,
so we will only pay for fixing PART of your wall the, first 2 feet only.....
Companies that cover wind and debris are saying we won't cover the
missing roof on your home
because water got under the shingles and caused them to come loose, and
the exposed plywood
wouldn't of collapsed and leaked if water didn't get under the shingles....

They are literally screwing customers that have paid premiums for years.
They are just pulling numbers out of the air for costs of rebuilding.
With 1968
costs per foot to rebuild. No matter what you valued your home at and
thus paying
premiums toward.

The paper is full of stories of people that have every piece of
insurance coverage available
with $400,000 homes that are destroyed getting checks for $300. There
are law firms that have
conference meetings for the public at the civic center every other week.
It's out of hand.
And after the accounting was done the Insurance Companies STILL HAD a
profitable year
in the state of Florida.. That's the Nut Twister and a Slap.

I had my contents valued at $50,000 and have been paying premiums on
that amount
for 10 years. They tried to write me a check for $10,000 the day after
the storm, hoping I'd
be to torn up from the storm to be thinking. I had to holler and scream
all the way up the line
for weeks and weeks before they had to write me a check for Fifty grand.
Plus $2500 for debris
removal. If I wasn't an a.shole and actually read my contract back to
front over and over
and bitched and bitched I would of been screwed over. How many other
people just take what
they offer and don't know better..... Dirty dirt dealings.

Then frikin Teflon Dubya Bush coming here right after the storm (before
the election!!) strutting around saying there
will be all this help..... Well all the giant live Oaks all over the
city were down everywhere in the streets, yards
on homes.... The Feds said that if individual home owners didn't pay
thousands of dollars each to clear
the trees out of their yards for "safety reasons" the government will be
forced to put liens on their homes.
AFTER everyone's homes had LIENS against them THEN we will see if there
is anything we can do.
It will depend on how many Liens per Cappata there turns out to be.
Sorry that's the policy. f.cking terrible.
People were homeless and completely broke from businesses being closed
down, and giant unexpected amounts
of money coming out of households for the exorbitant deductibles that
popped up all of a sudden were told,
by the way we are putting a federal lien on your home.. Needless to say
Bush is generally hated around here.

>i think you'll be lucky to find any insurance companies in business in the
>state at some near point in time. creating laws to prevent them from
>increasing rates/deductables to match losses is a really good way for them
>to exit the state.
>  

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- H.J. Simpson

Charlie - 10 Jan 2005 19:58 GMT
Well, it's not Bush, it's the government.  Only an idiot would believe the line, we're the Federal Government and we're here to help you.  Yeah, you can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I only had my house destroyed in TS Allison.  I fought State Farm for over 2 years and still lost over $25K in recoverable money they owed us.  They turned off their phones and moved their offices and didn't let people know how to get a hold of them for 6 months and then they wouldn't extend the deadline to get the receipts in.  But I will say that some are correct in warning you that many companies will threaten to move out, or they will make it damn near impossible for you to get insurance again for a period of time.  Here, the state had to step in and set up a program for homeowners caught in that position.  Here, some people could not get insurance for up to 3 years after they flooded.  Try to buy another house or keep a mortgage without homeowners insurance.  In areas that have flooded numerous times, no insurance was offered, these people had to take the buyouts.  These were way less than what they were worth.  It will be the same for Florida, if you chose to live in the path of disaster, you'll have to pay for it.  The rest of the people are beginning to question how many times they are going to be required to bail out those that put themselves in these places.  And I was one of those, even though I was my house was only in a hundred year flood plain, it was still in a flood plain.  And insurance doesn't cover flooding, flood insurance covers flooding, and it only covers up to the dry line.  It doesn't replace the entire inside walls.  If you have less than 2 feet of water, they'll replace 2 foot of sheetrock and insulation.  If you have less than 4 feet of water, they'll replace up to 4 foot of sheetrock and insulation.

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Charlie
!993 Corvette Convertible

 That's not all of it Charles. Much of the new laws are being designed to
 prevent
 the vague and easily manipulated contracts the companies have issued..

 The companies that cover wind and debris damage are going against the
 companies
 that cover water and flood. Crazy sh.t going on and the customer is
 caught between.

 For instance a tree in your yard is blown onto your roof. It pokes a
 hole in your roof
 flooding your whole house and collapsing the ceiling and ruining the
 drywall and floors.

 People are being told by Company A (that covers wind and debris)......
 Water actually
 caused the damage, we won't cover it... Company B (that covers water and
 flood).......
 A tree caused a hole in the roof, not the storm surge or flooding water,
 we won't cover it.

 Companies that cover flooding are saying your walls are only damaged up
 to 2 feet from the floor,
 so we will only pay for fixing PART of your wall the, first 2 feet only.....
 Companies that cover wind and debris are saying we won't cover the
 missing roof on your home
 because water got under the shingles and caused them to come loose, and
 the exposed plywood
 wouldn't of collapsed and leaked if water didn't get under the shingles....

 They are literally screwing customers that have paid premiums for years.
 They are just pulling numbers out of the air for costs of rebuilding.
 With 1968
 costs per foot to rebuild. No matter what you valued your home at and
 thus paying
 premiums toward.

 The paper is full of stories of people that have every piece of
 insurance coverage available
 with $400,000 homes that are destroyed getting checks for $300. There
 are law firms that have
 conference meetings for the public at the civic center every other week.
 It's out of hand.
 And after the accounting was done the Insurance Companies STILL HAD a
 profitable year
 in the state of Florida.. That's the Nut Twister and a Slap.

 I had my contents valued at $50,000 and have been paying premiums on
 that amount
 for 10 years. They tried to write me a check for $10,000 the day after
 the storm, hoping I'd
 be to torn up from the storm to be thinking. I had to holler and scream
 all the way up the line
 for weeks and weeks before they had to write me a check for Fifty grand.
 Plus $2500 for debris
 removal. If I wasn't an a.shole and actually read my contract back to
 front over and over
 and bitched and bitched I would of been screwed over. How many other
 people just take what
 they offer and don't know better..... Dirty dirt dealings.

 Then frikin Teflon Dubya Bush coming here right after the storm (before
 the election!!) strutting around saying there
 will be all this help..... Well all the giant live Oaks all over the
 city were down everywhere in the streets, yards
 on homes.... The Feds said that if individual home owners didn't pay
 thousands of dollars each to clear
 the trees out of their yards for "safety reasons" the government will be
 forced to put liens on their homes.
 AFTER everyone's homes had LIENS against them THEN we will see if there
 is anything we can do.
 It will depend on how many Liens per Cappata there turns out to be.
 Sorry that's the policy. f.cking terrible.
 People were homeless and completely broke from businesses being closed
 down, and giant unexpected amounts
 of money coming out of households for the exorbitant deductibles that
 popped up all of a sudden were told,
 by the way we are putting a federal lien on your home.. Needless to say
 Bush is generally hated around here.

 Charles Spitzer wrote:

 >i think you'll be lucky to find any insurance companies in business in the
 >state at some near point in time. creating laws to prevent them from
 >increasing rates/deductables to match losses is a really good way for them
 >to exit the state.
 >  
 >

 --
 Ric Seyler

 --------------------------------------
 "Homer no function beer well without."
 - H.J. Simpson
RicSeyler - 10 Jan 2005 20:27 GMT
"It's not Bush, it's the government"...... The Teflon Messiah strikes
again. <rolls eyes>
9/11 not my fault, Abu Grabe not my fault, thousands of kids dying in
Iraq not my fault,
Iraq is now a terrorist haven not my fault, Bin Laden still making tapes
and running free
not my fault, gas prices out of control not my fault, health insurance
and prescription
drugs unaffordable not my fault, biggest loss of jobs of any president
not my fault,
Kim Jung threatening with nukes not my fault, Nukes reported being
developed in
middle east countries not my fault.

Then Bush shouldn't of been down here strutting around like the
Messiah.....
And I've got no problem paying for insurance for where I live, always have.

I have a big problem with the Insurance Companies not providing what
their contracts state
they are responsible for. And as far as the "rest of the people" bailing
out anyone?!?! We PAY
insurance companies premiums for that. NOBODY is bailing us out.. The
Government is putting
liens on people's homes for trees they can't afford to remove at the
moment.. That's not giving us anything.....

FEMA has provided trailers to live in til homes can get repaired. But
they are there for hurricane victims,
also fire victims out west, and tornado victims in the mid west. Guess
nobody should live there either........ sheesh.

And as far as flood contracts covering up to the dryline only.... That's
not true for all policy writers, that's for
the "Last Line of Coverage" subsidized companies here in FL.. That's why
there are thousands of lawsuits happening
right now... and the Insurance Companies shirking their legal
responsibilities.

> Well, it's not Bush, it's the government.  Only an idiot would believe
> the line, we're the Federal Government and we're here to help you.  
[quoted text clipped - 140 lines]
>     "Homer no function beer well without."
>     - H.J. Simpson

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Charles Spitzer - 10 Jan 2005 21:13 GMT
if the contract states it, then i agree with you.

however, everyone in your state is not paying for their own damages. that's
not how insurance works. the costs get averaged over the entire insured
base, so the premiums from one part of the country (unless the company is
only selling in that part) is spread across the country to all insured being
covered in all areas.

seems that your increased rates are a result of the damages and increased
perceived risk in that part of the country. that alone will tend to drive
out both people who can't afford, or won't buy, insurance and companies who
don't want the increased risk. you'll be left with companies of last resort,
and they can basically write whatever they want into their contracts. if the
gov't forces them to have certain clauses, then the premiums will reflect
that perceived risk.

I have a big problem with the Insurance Companies not providing what their
contracts state
they are responsible for. And as far as the "rest of the people" bailing out
anyone?!?! We PAY
insurance companies premiums for that. NOBODY is bailing us out.. The
Government is putting
liens on people's homes for trees they can't afford to remove at the
moment.. That's not giving us anything.....
RicSeyler - 10 Jan 2005 22:17 GMT
I don't have any problem paying what it costs for insurance in my area.
Just the companies not honoring their contracts and taking advantage of
people
just because they can. That's all I'm trying to say. :-) LOL

>if the contract states it, then i agree with you.
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>  

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- H.J. Simpson

lab~rat - 11 Jan 2005 14:26 GMT
>I don't have any problem paying what it costs for insurance in my area.
>Just the companies not honoring their contracts and taking advantage of
>people
>just because they can. That's all I'm trying to say. :-) LOL

A friend of mine had her home damaged in one hurricane and the roof
peeled off in another.  The insurance company is trying to hit her
with TWO deductibles, which are about 14,000 each.

Had the first damage been fixed timely, it's likely she wouldn't have
lost her roof.

--
lab~rat  >:-)
The less you care, the more it doesn't matter.
RicSeyler - 11 Jan 2005 21:31 GMT
That's the first thing Jeb Bush said is going to be passed..
I deductible per storm season.

>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>The less you care, the more it doesn't matter.
>  

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Charlie - 11 Jan 2005 03:57 GMT
Well Bubba, there's only 1 Flood Insurance Underwriter and it's called the
NFIP and it's a government program paid for by the participants.  All the
rules are the same for all the areas across the country.  If your property
gets flooded, no matter which company sells it to you, it comes from the
same place.  And when I stop laughing, you can tell me again how far you
think people are going to get suing the government over a standardized
policy.  Maybe you've been through one too many of them hurricanes.

As for the Messiah, maybe he shouldn't send any help next time.  Damned if
you do, damned if you don't I guess.  Bush's visit was a symbolic gesture to
show people others are thinking of them and care.  His strutting was signing
those disaster aid packages before those storms even finished their trek
through your state.  But that's what you get for having his brother as your
governor.  I'd say you were pretty damned lucky.  Many places could only
dream of such access.

And blaming him for 9/11 and the rest of that diatribe?  Hell, we can blame
you or anyone else just as easily.  Bin Laden's been after us for a lot
longer than Bush has been President, so has Hussein.  Kim Jong Il wouldn't
be a threat if Albright hadn't screwed up that deal during the Clinton
years.  They just let him go.  What a bunch of fools.  Gas Prices?  How old
are you?  Have you ever bought gas overseas?  And health insurance,
prescription drugs and jobs?  What to do drive, a Yugo?  This is America,
the President doesn't create jobs.  The President isn't responsible for your
health insurance and prescription drugs.  If you want a system like that,
move to Cuba.  I'm sure you can find a nice old car to scoot around in while
the government gives you a job, gives you health care and doles out your
aspirin.

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Charlie
!993 Corvette Convertible

"It's not Bush, it's the government"...... The Teflon Messiah strikes again.
<rolls eyes>
9/11 not my fault, Abu Grabe not my fault, thousands of kids dying in Iraq
not my fault,
Iraq is now a terrorist haven not my fault, Bin Laden still making tapes and
running free
not my fault, gas prices out of control not my fault, health insurance and
prescription
drugs unaffordable not my fault, biggest loss of jobs of any president not
my fault,
Kim Jung threatening with nukes not my fault, Nukes reported being developed
in
middle east countries not my fault.

Then Bush shouldn't of been down here strutting around like the Messiah.....
And I've got no problem paying for insurance for where I live, always have.

I have a big problem with the Insurance Companies not providing what their
contracts state
they are responsible for. And as far as the "rest of the people" bailing out
anyone?!?! We PAY
insurance companies premiums for that. NOBODY is bailing us out.. The
Government is putting
liens on people's homes for trees they can't afford to remove at the
moment.. That's not giving us anything.....

FEMA has provided trailers to live in til homes can get repaired. But they
are there for hurricane victims,
also fire victims out west, and tornado victims in the mid west. Guess
nobody should live there either........ sheesh.

And as far as flood contracts covering up to the dryline only.... That's not
true for all policy writers, that's for
the "Last Line of Coverage" subsidized companies here in FL.. That's why
there are thousands of lawsuits happening
right now... and the Insurance Companies shirking their legal
responsibilities.

Charlie wrote:

Well, it's not Bush, it's the government.  Only an idiot would believe the
line, we're the Federal Government and we're here to help you.  Yeah, you
can tell me I don't know what I'm talking about, I only had my house
destroyed in TS Allison.  I fought State Farm for over 2 years and still
lost over $25K in recoverable money they owed us.  They turned off their
phones and moved their offices and didn't let people know how to get a hold
of them for 6 months and then they wouldn't extend the deadline to get the
receipts in.  But I will say that some are correct in warning you that many
companies will threaten to move out, or they will make it damn near
impossible for you to get insurance again for a period of time.  Here, the
state had to step in and set up a program for homeowners caught in that
position.  Here, some people could not get insurance for up to 3 years after
they flooded.  Try to buy another house or keep a mortgage without
homeowners insurance.  In areas that have flooded numerous times, no
insurance was offered, these people had to take the buyouts.  These were way
less than what they were worth.  It will be the same for Florida, if you
chose to live in the path of disaster, you'll have to pay for it.  The rest
of the people are beginning to question how many times they are going to be
required to bail out those that put themselves in these places.  And I was
one of those, even though I was my house was only in a hundred year flood
plain, it was still in a flood plain.  And insurance doesn't cover flooding,
flood insurance covers flooding, and it only covers up to the dry line.  It
doesn't replace the entire inside walls.  If you have less than 2 feet of
water, they'll replace 2 foot of sheetrock and insulation.  If you have less
than 4 feet of water, they'll replace up to 4 foot of sheetrock and
insulation.

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That's not all of it Charles. Much of the new laws are being designed to
prevent
the vague and easily manipulated contracts the companies have issued..

The companies that cover wind and debris damage are going against the
companies
that cover water and flood. Crazy sh.t going on and the customer is
caught between.

For instance a tree in your yard is blown onto your roof. It pokes a
hole in your roof
flooding your whole house and collapsing the ceiling and ruining the
drywall and floors.

People are being told by Company A (that covers wind and debris)......
Water actually
caused the damage, we won't cover it... Company B (that covers water and
flood).......
A tree caused a hole in the roof, not the storm surge or flooding water,
we won't cover it.

Companies that cover flooding are saying your walls are only damaged up
to 2 feet from the floor,
so we will only pay for fixing PART of your wall the, first 2 feet only.....
Companies that cover wind and debris are saying we won't cover the
missing roof on your home
because water got under the shingles and caused them to come loose, and
the exposed plywood
wouldn't of collapsed and leaked if water didn't get under the shingles....

They are literally screwing customers that have paid premiums for years.
They are just pulling numbers out of the air for costs of rebuilding.
With 1968
costs per foot to rebuild. No matter what you valued your home at and
thus paying
premiums toward.

The paper is full of stories of people that have every piece of
insurance coverage available
with $400,000 homes that are destroyed getting checks for $300. There
are law firms that have
conference meetings for the public at the civic center every other week.
It's out of hand.
And after the accounting was done the Insurance Companies STILL HAD a
profitable year
in the state of Florida.. That's the Nut Twister and a Slap.

I had my contents valued at $50,000 and have been paying premiums on
that amount
for 10 years. They tried to write me a check for $10,000 the day after
the storm, hoping I'd
be to torn up from the storm to be thinking. I had to holler and scream
all the way up the line
for weeks and weeks before they had to write me a check for Fifty grand.
Plus $2500 for debris
removal. If I wasn't an a.shole and actually read my contract back to
front over and over
and bitched and bitched I would of been screwed over. How many other
people just take what
they offer and don't know better..... Dirty dirt dealings.

Then frikin Teflon Dubya Bush coming here right after the storm (before
the election!!) strutting around saying there
will be all this help..... Well all the giant live Oaks all over the
city were down everywhere in the streets, yards
on homes.... The Feds said that if individual home owners didn't pay
thousands of dollars each to clear
the trees out of their yards for "safety reasons" the government will be
forced to put liens on their homes.
AFTER everyone's homes had LIENS against them THEN we will see if there
is anything we can do.
It will depend on how many Liens per Cappata there turns out to be.
Sorry that's the policy. f.cking terrible.
People were homeless and completely broke from businesses being closed
down, and giant unexpected amounts
of money coming out of households for the exorbitant deductibles that
popped up all of a sudden were told,
by the way we are putting a federal lien on your home.. Needless to say
Bush is generally hated around here.

Charles Spitzer wrote:

>i think you'll be lucky to find any insurance companies in business in the
>state at some near point in time. creating laws to prevent them from
>increasing rates/deductables to match losses is a really good way for them
>to exit the state.

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RicSeyler - 11 Jan 2005 15:38 GMT
>Well Bubba, there's only 1 Flood Insurance Underwriter and it's called the
>NFIP and it's a government program paid for by the participants.  All the
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>think people are going to get suing the government over a standardized
>policy.  Maybe you've been through one too many of them hurricanes.

Might want to check the legal actions that are taking place right now.
It's in the papers
every week. So are the legal conferences that are held bi-monthly and
have hundreds
in attendance at the civic center. It's very easy to sit on the outside
and look in,
and know all the answers.

>As for the Messiah, maybe he shouldn't send any help next time.  Damned if
>you do, damned if you don't I guess.  Bush's visit was a symbolic gesture to
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>governor.  I'd say you were pretty damned lucky.  Many places could only
>dream of such access.

FWIW I haven't received a single thing, NOTHING from the Messiah or his
actions..
And I lost everything I own and my home. I didn't expect to. But to try
and say I'm damn
lucky for him is completely ludicrous.

>And blaming him for 9/11 and the rest of that diatribe?  Hell, we can blame
>you or anyone else just as easily.  Bin Laden's been after us for a lot
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>aspirin.
>  

If you grasp the gist of my post on this you would see that I'm not
BLAMING him for 9/11, I'm
calling him out for NEVER taking responsiblility for ANYTHING EVER, NADA
NOPE.
Even when the Teflon Messiah was directly asked he couldn't think of a
thing he was responsible for.

But in the end there is nothing I can do about it, so life goes on

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rgf - 11 Jan 2005 18:07 GMT
And I thought this was a Corvette NG. Stupid me!

> Well Bubba, there's only 1 Flood Insurance Underwriter and it's called the
> NFIP and it's a government program paid for by the participants.  All the
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> think people are going to get suing the government over a standardized
> policy.  Maybe you've been through one too many of them hurricanes.

Charlie, if you checked this out you'd see there really is something
going on. People are NOT happy.

> As for the Messiah, maybe he shouldn't send any help next time.  Damned if
> you do, damned if you don't I guess.  Bush's visit was a symbolic gesture to
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> governor.  I'd say you were pretty damned lucky.  Many places could only
> dream of such access.

Nice to know everyone is equal.

> And blaming him for 9/11 and the rest of that diatribe?  Hell, we can blame
> you or anyone else just as easily.

You really should study the history of these events.

  Bin Laden's been after us for a lot
> longer than Bush has been President, so has Hussein.

Gosh, I wonder how they got started?

 Kim Jong Il wouldn't
> be a threat if Albright hadn't screwed up that deal during the Clinton
> years.  They just let him go.  What a bunch of fools.

Her replacement is obviously in the mystical genius class.

 Gas Prices?

You fellas would be well advised to know a little historical fact or two
here as well. Gas prices are way behind inflation and the supply is
mostly out of country. The current pricing can't hold forever as the
U.S. government does not, much to it's dismay, control the tap.

  How old
> are you?  Have you ever bought gas overseas?

The overseas gas prices are much closer to reality than the false
pretense we live under.

 And health insurance,
> prescription drugs and jobs?

Health insurance and prescription drug programs seem to work elsewhere,
like Austria, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, U.K., well
most of the EU as well as other places. Some programs work well, some
not so well. Periodically it behooves one to understand what others are
doing before commenting.

 What to do drive, a Yugo?  This is America,
> the President doesn't create jobs.

Probably he, and most world leaders, should be informed of this. Nahh,
they'd have to little to talk about. More fun talking policy.

  The President isn't responsible for your
> health insurance and prescription drugs.  If you want a system like that,
> move to Cuba.

Excuse me whilst I surpress the chuckling. Better yet move to Canada,
they have both programs and a massive oil reserve to help pay for it.

 I'm sure you can find a nice old car to scoot around in while
> the government gives you a job, gives you health care and doles out your
> aspirin.

This is great stuff. Who's your writer?

Now can we get back to Corvettes?

Richard
Charles Spitzer - 11 Jan 2005 18:30 GMT
> And I thought this was a Corvette NG. Stupid me!
>
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> The overseas gas prices are much closer to reality than the false pretense
> we live under.

huh? the greatest percentage of the cost of gas outside of the US is taxes,
imposed to enforce low usage. how is that reality?

>  And health insurance,
>> prescription drugs and jobs?
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>
> Richard
rgf - 12 Jan 2005 00:55 GMT
>>  How old
>>
>>>are you?  Have you ever bought gas overseas?
>>
>>The overseas gas prices are much closer to reality than the false pretense
>>we live under.

> huh? the greatest percentage of the cost of gas outside of the US is taxes,
> imposed to enforce low usage. how is that reality?

I'd really prefer not to go here but if you insist...

There are 42 U.S. gallons of crude oil in a barrel. Without getting in
to the nuances of light, sweet, sour etc. crude we'll keep it simple and
assume the current price at the well head to be about +/- $45.00. Let's
just say about a buck a gallon for crude.

A barrel of crude has a processing gain of about 2.2 gallons and on
average produces about 19.5 gallons of gasoline,9.2 gallons of
distillate fuel oil (diesel and home heating oil), 4.1 gallons of jet
fuel, 1.9 gallons liquefied refining gasses, 1.9  still gas, 1.8 coke,
1.2 asphalt and road oil, 1.2 gallons petro feedstocks, 1/2 gallon
lubricants, 1/2 gallon kerosene and about .3 gallons of other products.

Producing the gasoline is substantially more costly than producing most
of the other products.

Add in shipping via pipe,ship,pipe or simply pipe if the source is close
to the refinery, refining costs, shipping costs to pump.
Add in a nationwide average of about $.40 per gallon for various taxes.
Add in profit for oil company and add in profit for the retailer.

Consider the following-
U.S gasoline taxes are lower now than they were a decade ago.
Current oil consumption rates lead us to believe the existing U.S.
reserve may last less than 70 years and the rate is increasing somewhere
between 1% and 2% pr annum.
The oil industry typically spends about $.08 per gallon produced on
environmental factors/protection.
In 1995 the average cost of gasoline at the pumps (adjusted for
inflation) was at a record 77 year low.
Oil companies have not been pouring moneys into new refineries of late.
Factually there are no new ones and fewer of the old ones left in the
country.

There are some egg-heads that believe that gasoline prices should be at
as much as $4.50 per gallon, more in line with European counterparts.

Gasoline taxes in most countries are not imposed to reduce demand,
although this is a side benefit, but rather (on the face of it) to
improve other transit systems. Think about it. If most households in any
small (land mass) European country had two or more cars per household
can one even imagine the ramifications. Traffic,roads,parking,fumes,fuel
consumption ... the whole place would be just like downtown L.A.

California alone used more than 14 billion gallons of gas in 2000, a 12%
increase over 1992. I suspect this increase is not slowing as there are
now more cars, and people, in CA than in 2000.

It could be argued that the greatest percentage of gasoline costs
outside the U.S. are taxes but it could also be argued and finitely
proven that although simplistic mathematics show this to be so the
reality is that one cannot seperate the sources from which taxes are
collected and to what they are distributed so freely. Each country has
different methods but the end result is the same. Roads must be built,
buses and trains must run, governments must operate. ie. In some
countries this is achieved partially through higher gasoline taxes while
in other countries money is printed, without foundation, to pay for all
the niceties we enjoy. Our kids get to pay for us.

Fair to say our fuel costs are lower than they should be ???

Sooner or later the piper gets paid. Pay now or pay later.

I'll stop now before I get wound up :-)

Personally I'll still drive my Corvettes the same amount of miles per
annum regardless of gas prices. The odd tank full for each is not a high
price to pay for the pleasure returned.

Cheers

Richard
RicSeyler - 11 Jan 2005 20:15 GMT
> And I thought this was a Corvette NG. Stupid me!

Ahhhhhh....... we get cranked up on OT things from time to time. :-)

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Scubabix - 14 Jan 2005 22:41 GMT
> And I thought this was a Corvette NG. Stupid me!

If it was my discussion about my car being flooded that started this, I
apologize.

Rob
rgf - 15 Jan 2005 00:06 GMT
> If it was my discussion about my car being flooded that started this, I
> apologize.
> Rob

No apology necessary Rob except maybe from me. I did jump in with both
feet :-(

Richard
RicSeyler - 15 Jan 2005 20:06 GMT
LOL
No need to apologize. We regulars will always find something OT
to bat around from time to time. We still love each other. :-)

>  
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Scubabix - 09 Jan 2005 21:38 GMT
> sure they were allowed to increase their deductables for
> hurricane damage.
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>
> just my2?

It's kind of ironic that Florida has anti-gouging laws that prevent prices
for services/products from being raised excessively due to natural
disasters.  But, I pay my insurance every year with a $500 deductible for
any claims, until a hurricane hits.  Then the insurance companies are
allowed to raise my deductible to $2000-$5000 dollars.  That my friend is
ripping everyone off.  A lot of the hardest hit areas are populated by
senior citizens living on pensions.  $2000 out of a budget is rough on most
people, let alone those on limited income.  As far as being lucky to get
insurance at all, that is pure and complete bullshit.  I pay extra insurance
for hurricane and flood coverage, I've never made a claim on that insurance,
but. if I do, they'll either raise it or drop my coverage completely.  That
is ripping people off.  And try buying any car or house without that same
insurance, no matter how much you have to pay for it. That is my .02

Rob
larrybud2002@yahoo.com - 10 Jan 2005 16:03 GMT
> I live in a low area near a creek that normally has 2 feet of water and
> this recent weather had me sweating bullets!
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> garage my Vette sits in. All this and the forcast was for another entire
> day and night of rain.

C'mon.  You could easily jack the car up and put it on jack stands to
save it another foot or so.
 
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