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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / February 20051974 Corvette for sale
hello all, I REALLY need to sell my car....it needs a little TLC. I have pictures...it is 1974 blue 350 auto ttops and looks good. it does have a rear transmission leak.....? it also needs new front tires and it needs to be alligned as it pulls while driving. I just spent over $600.00 on two new front calipers and a master cylinder and new brake lines.........it has to go. I am needing $5500.00 for it.....I have more than $8000.00 in it ....I am located in Cincinnati, Ohio. please e-mail me or call me. thanks, Matt battlescar2112@yahoo.com 513-831-7683 >I REALLY need to sell my car.... ******** You & a lot of other folks. No one has any money in this economy: it's a buyer's market. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! >>I REALLY need to sell my car.... >******** [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! Hmm, Guess I'm doing something wrong then. I've got money. Not enough for a new C6 drop-top, but more then enough for a raggdy-assed `74.  Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade > >I REALLY need to sell my car.... > ******** [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! Strange, I've been looking for another C3, money is not the problem. Finding one that is worth a Fig and priced appropriately is the problem. Do you have any idea how many "rare" Corvettes were built, ALL OF THEM. I can wait till next winter if I need to, I'm just not going to pay a bloated price. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd In discussions in other groups and with other people, the consensus is that a large chunk of the reason is the Barrett Jackson auctions. People watch a car go out for $50,000 and say, hey, I got one of those in the weeds in the back 40. Maybe if I get a Maaco paint job on it, and use some Armor All on the dash and seats, I can sell mine for $40,000. Unfortunately, Paul didn't show us his car, but the basic statement of needing some TLC means that it probably needs a bunch of work to be really nice. And those are everywhere at $3000-$5000. So his at $5500 is not a quick sale. > > >I REALLY need to sell my car.... > > ******** [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > any idea how many "rare" Corvettes were built, ALL OF THEM. I can wait till > next winter if I need to, I'm just not going to pay a bloated price. Have you been watching ebay lately? Here is one of those crazy projects. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4523866776&ca tegory=39405 Or search for item 4523866776. He has it starting at $28,000 and needs everything, including the frame. His logic is that it will cost you $25,000 and so you will have a fully restored Barrett Jackson equivalent Corvette for $53,000. Unfortunately, many will believe that. Unfortunately, there are enough out there that the guy might get it, based on how this '64 project is up to $21,000. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4521943127&ca tegory=6168 Item 4521943127 > > >I REALLY need to sell my car.... > > ******** [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > any idea how many "rare" Corvettes were built, ALL OF THEM. I can wait till > next winter if I need to, I'm just not going to pay a bloated price. You're right on Tom, I watched Barrett Jackson auctions the other night and it is a joke. Being from a family of auctioneers and having started working auctions when I was 14 I tend to avoid them. My Dad, an auctioneer since before I was born, used to say that "all it takes to make an auction work was one dishonest auctioneer and one bidder". SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd > Have you been watching ebay lately? Here is one of those crazy projects. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > till >> next winter if I need to, I'm just not going to pay a bloated price. Dad, i also work on cars for a living, and one thing that i have found out is that an auction is a wonderful place to get an education, i have seen folks lose enough money to put a kid in collage, buying cars that were junk,. there used to be a very large auction house for autos just down the road from my shop, they sold to the public on friday nights, you would see 5-10 every saturday mouning parked on the side of the interstate with in a few mile of the place. Greg >You're right on Tom, I watched Barrett Jackson auctions the other night and >it is a joke. Being from a family of auctioneers and having started working >auctions when I was 14 I tend to avoid them. My Dad, an auctioneer since >before I was born, used to say that "all it takes to make an auction work >was one dishonest auctioneer and one bidder". >Have you been watching ebay lately? Here is one of those crazy projects. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >restored Barrett Jackson equivalent Corvette for $53,000. Unfortunately, >many will believe that. But his logic is faulty & insane because it doesn't even have the right engine & tranny. Complete in on the road condition it isn't worth 28k, let alone as a basket case. >Unfortunately, there are enough out there that the guy might get it, based >on how this '64 project is up to $21,000. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4521943127&ca tegory=6168 > >Item 4521943127 And just another pipe dreamer. This is a guy whose wife told him to get that pile of crap out of the garage and he said "Yes Dear, I'll put it up for sale." In a couple of months he'll go back to the wife and say; "Sorry Honey, I tried to sell it, nobody was interested. Must be the shitty economy". At that is the long of that. >> > >I REALLY need to sell my car.... >> > ******** [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >till >> next winter if I need to, I'm just not going to pay a bloated price. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade > But his logic is faulty & insane because it doesn't even have the > right engine & tranny. Complete in on the road condition it isn't > worth 28k, let alone as a basket case. A "B" or "C" grade '64 fuelie with non-matching wouldn't be worth $28k? I do agree the guy is certainly dreaming - it would be near impossible to build this car back to "original" condition. Finding or modifying all the dated parts would be quite a task. I do find the 4:11 rear and radio delete rather interesting - only 1325 fuelies were built, only 1295 were radio delete. * Note the side exhaust - are there any cases of very late '64s appearing with factory side exhaust? Upon closer inspection of the serial # (unit #5937, November '63) it's not late at all in the model year so the exhaust was almost certainly customer added. * The distributor number (1111070) is applicable to late '64s, not early in the run as this car is. * The paint code (936) indicates the car was originally Ermine White. * Unfortunately it's no "heater delete" car (one of 60) - then he might have something. (Also, couldn't see well enough into the rear compartment to see if there was a suspiciously raised floor... if so, whoooowaaaa!) Here's waving to ya - \|||| Owen ___ '67BB & '72BB ___ "To know the world intimately is the beginning of caring." -- Ann Hayman Zwinger > > But his logic is faulty & insane because it doesn't even have the > > right engine & tranny. Complete in on the road condition it isn't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to build this car back to "original" condition. Finding or modifying all > the dated parts would be quite a task. Unfortunately, with midyears running $40,000-$60,000 restored NOM, the guy isn't that far off. However, it really isn't worth it since prices are elevated right now in part due to Barrett Jackson. They were come back down probalby in 3-4 months some. Not a lot, but probably 10% or so. His big flaws are the assumption of restoring it for $25,000. If you do all your own work and charge nothing for your labor, maybe. But a good restoration is roughly $25,000 for the restoration on a COMPLETE car and including very few parts. Any big dollar parts and any rare parts raise the bar considerably, not just the price of the part, but the time/effort for finding the part and then any work needed on the part. Heck, I can se we need a frame, fuel injection unit, and the FI air cleaner so we are in the $12,000 in parts area already with three parts. Restoration on this car will easily hit the $40,000 price tag, added to the $28,000 initial price, and you are $68,000 for a restored NOM car. And then there is the year to two years to complete it. Better to take your money out and buy something for $40,000 to $60,000 today outright and drive it next week in the nice weather. > I do find the 4:11 rear and radio delete rather interesting - only 1325 > fuelies were built, only 1295 were radio delete. But not all radio deletes were on the L84 fuel injection cars. > * Note the side exhaust - are there any cases of very late '64s > appearing with factory side exhaust? Upon closer inspection of the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > whoooowaaaa!) > Here's waving to ya - \|||| You can see in the back, if you look at the picture with the book on the windshield. See the box of hubcaps? It wouldn't sit that low if the 36 gallon tank was in there. This is a Barrett Jackson candidate, in 3 to 4 years. Buy it for too much, spend too much to restore, and then wait for some drunk sports professional or entertainment business person with far too much money and far too much alcohol drop $80,000 or $100,000 because the auctioneer says it is a good deal. And the Democrats wondered why people didn't pay attention to their party with people like this lining up on their side? >> > But his logic is faulty & insane because it doesn't even have the >> > right engine & tranny. Complete in on the road condition it isn't [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >and you are $68,000 for a restored NOM car. And then there is the year to >two years to complete it. Hell I bet you could easily spend $25k on parts and chasing them own all over the damn country. If that car is ever brought into the $60k range I'll be a monkeys Uncle. Down Bonzo, damit, down. Fuckin monkeys! >Better to take your money out and buy something for $40,000 to $60,000 today >outright and drive it next week in the nice weather. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >And the Democrats wondered why people didn't pay attention to their party >with people like this lining up on their side? Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >"Dad" <knockers@fisher.net> wrote in message news:2MSdnWSv8f2XM2LcRVn-pg@bright.net... > Strange, I've been looking for another C3, money is not the problem. Finding > one that is worth a Fig and priced appropriately is the problem. Do you have > any idea how many "rare" Corvettes were built, ALL OF THEM. I can wait till > next winter if I need to, I'm just not going to pay a bloated price. i don't know, where was he stating it was rare and why you were thinking it was bloated ? ~ maybe due to location. ?Do you guys have a bunch out that way ? Here in Wis a $5500 Vette seems like a great price to me, almost a steal, if it is in pretty decent shape. In top end shape they are selling over $11k here for a 75 and a bit more for a 74. I'd still have to see his pics.. I'll reserve full judgement on the steal at $5500. It could be a bucket of bolts and leaking badly thus not worth $1k let alone $5k > >"Dad" <knockers@fisher.net> wrote in message > news:2MSdnWSv8f2XM2LcRVn-pg@bright.net... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > $5500. It could be a bucket of bolts and leaking badly thus not worth $1k > let alone $5k I guess it's because I wasn't replying to the OP but more to the process of spending money for a Corvette as was stated in the reply to the OP, which you clipped. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd >>"Dad" <knockers@fisher.net> wrote in message >news:2MSdnWSv8f2XM2LcRVn-pg@bright.net... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >$5500. It could be a bucket of bolts and leaking badly thus not worth $1k >let alone $5k Well I've got the pics & his physical description of the car. To me it is worth $5K and I would buying it from him if he were closer. I can't get someone to look at it for me for almost 2-weeks and it will be gone by then as he has it on e-bay with a minimum bid of $4500. I see no reason why he won't get it. I just won't buy a car that needs to be trucked to me sight unseen for that much. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade It is hard to judge a car when all they say is that it needs TLC and they need $5500 out of it, but usually if they have $8000 in and have to get $5500 out, then they are still deep into project mode. Odds are they have hit the point that they will have to pile in several thousand more or bail out now. TLC used to mean tender loving care, and that some elbow grease cleaning the car or polishing would make it look nice. Today, TLC means it has been ridden hard and put up wet, so you probably need a new interior to ever be nice again. Figure $1000 - $1500. Paint is usually dead, if they say TLC, otherwise he would have said "paint is great" or "paint is new". We have been down the road on paint, figuring $4000 average of a good Corvette paint job for the average owner. So at $5500 + $1000 + $4000 you are $10,500 and you can get a very nice '74 for that and drive it home and whether you want to go, rather than spend like crazy, work like crazy, and have your wife/girlfriend/parents/etc think you are nuts for the next 6 months to a year. Sad, but the mid '70s cars just don't have the market price. > >"Dad" <knockers@fisher.net> wrote in message > news:2MSdnWSv8f2XM2LcRVn-pg@bright.net... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > $5500. It could be a bucket of bolts and leaking badly thus not worth $1k > let alone $5k >It is hard to judge a car when all they say is that it needs TLC and they need $5500 out of it, but usually if they have $8000 in and have to get $5500 out, then they are still deep into project mode. Odds are they have hit the point that they will have to pile in several thousand more or bail out now. TLC used to mean tender loving care, and that some elbow grease cleaning the car or polishing would make it look nice. Today, TLC means it has been ridden hard and put up wet, so you probably need a new interior to ever be nice again. Figure $1000 - $1500. Paint is usually dead, if they say TLC, otherwise he would have said "paint is great" or "paint is new". We have been down the road on paint, figuring $4000 average of a good Corvette paint job for the average owner. So at $5500 + $1000 + $4000 you are $10,500 and you can get a very nice '74 for that and drive it home and whether you want to go, rather than spend like crazy, work like crazy, and have your wife/girlfriend/parents/etc think you are nuts for the next 6 months to a year. Sad, but the mid '70s cars just don't have the market price. *********** Right: that was my point in saying it's a buyer's market. I *can* however save 'Vette owners a substantial amount of cash if you need paint work. 30 years exp. doing show quality work on 'Vettes, no overhead & using the best materials available. Ground-up restorations if you need it. Custom fiberglass work if you want it. imthadriver at yahoo ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! Out of curiosity, what would you paint a midyear coupe for? On that already had the bumpers off, trim off, etc. Down to the original red primer/sealer. Naturally, I know that until you spray a coat across, you may not see half the waves in the body, but just a ballpark. > *********** > Right: that was my point in saying it's a buyer's market. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! >Out of curiosity, what would you paint a midyear coupe for? On that already had the bumpers off, trim off, etc. Down to the original red primer/sealer. Naturally, I know that until you spray a coat across, you may not see half the waves in the body, but just a ballpark. ********* *Really* need to see the car. If you're looking for a show quality job, getting rid of *all* the waves (even the original factory ones), it won't be cheap. It takes a *lot* of time to make a Vette *really* straight. If you want it more original, *with* the original waves, & there is no 'glasswork needed, I may be able to do it as cheaply as $2800. Still using *quality* epoxy primer, base coat, & Sikkens clear. Cheaper if you want to save on materials. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" BTW; Reminds me of the time I painted the editor of Vette Vues magzine's car. He ordered one from GM, & when he went to pick it up it was perfect. He then pointed to another car & bought that one instead! Brought it to us before he even drove it, & had us paint it removing all the original waves & body seams. It was pretty funny; someone got a *nice* Vette out of the deal! This was back in the mid '70s. >>It is hard to judge a car when all they say is that it needs TLC and they >need $5500 out of it, but usually if they have $8000 in and have to get [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! Just out of curiosity what part of the country are you located in? I have a daily driver that needs paint and was about ready to give it a Maaco or Earl Scheib el-Cheapo. Ya know a good 20-footer paint job. Looks ok as long as you are 20 foot away. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade I'm about 40 miles above Atlanta. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! >I'm about 40 miles above Atlanta. >~ Paul >aka "Tha Driver" > >Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! Do you have a website up and runing for your shop? Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >>I'm about 40 miles above Atlanta. >>~ Paul >>aka "Tha Driver" >Do you have a website up and runing for your shop? ********** I don't have a website, as I'm not running a business. I'm retired (or semi-so) & that's why I don't have any overhead. If you'd like some work done, email me at imthadriver at yahoo. My personal homepage has several pics of cars: http://angelonearth.net/carparts/ (ZX at bottom) http://angelonearth.net/me.html (blue Cabriolet - now sold, & blue street baja) http://AngelOnEarth.net/Cabrio/Cabrio.html (Same Cabriolet after deer damage repair, & hood for the V8 Cab) http://AngelOnEarth.net/ZCar/ZCar.html (V8 Z car) http://AngelOnEarth.net/Cabrio/BlackCabriolet.html (Modded image of a black Cabriolet - similiar to my plans for a Fiero running gear mid-engine LT1 350 Cabriolet) http://AngelOnEarth.net/photo.html (Annie the off-road baja bug & some other photos) ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! >It is hard to judge a car when all they say is that it needs TLC and they >need $5500 out of it, but usually if they have $8000 in and have to get [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Sad, but the mid '70s cars just don't have the market price. Did you see the Pics of his car and his straigt-forward description? $5500 was more then a fair price in many parts of the country. I've seen people ask more for a damn-near basket case. From the pictures it appeared the body was straight and the paint good. He fully admitted there were some front end problems, and he had just finished a brake job. The only thing that concerned me was the frame and I wasn't able to get anyone to him to eye it up. Now if the car had been something extra special I would have flown in myself, but of course it wasn't. But it was a pretty good basis for a nice sound daily driver. >> >"Dad" <knockers@fisher.net> wrote in message >> news:2MSdnWSv8f2XM2LcRVn-pg@bright.net... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> $5500. It could be a bucket of bolts and leaking badly thus not worth $1k >> let alone $5k Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade ThaDriver spoke thusly: > You & a lot of other folks. No one has any money in this economy: it's a > buyer's market. I don't mean to be rude, but what the heck are you talking about? The economy is doing quite well. You have to stop listening to those Gloom-and-doomers that will have you believing that the sky is falling just to support their own agenda. SignatureShut up, Dave. -|>|- Diode -|<|- '68 L-79 Coupe '79 Triumph Bonneville >ThaDriver spoke thusly: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Gloom-and-doomers that will have you believing that the sky is falling >just to support their own agenda. No sh.t, we currently have more opening at where I work then in the past 5-years. The overall unemployment in my area is ~ 2% which depending on whether or not you subscribe to theory of natural unemployment, means overall in my are there are more jobs then people to fill them. Right now it is a workers market. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade Obviously, you aren't talking about "quality paying" jobs for thopse with college degrees.... 13,000 being laid off at AT&T and the whole high tech sector isn't doing much better. >>ThaDriver spoke thusly: >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > unemployment, means overall in my are there are more jobs then people > to fill them. Right now it is a workers market. That is because too many equate "college degree" with "knowledge and ability". There is a big spread in pay for college degree and non-degree, yet often, far too often, the learning curve on the college degree person if more than the non-degree person. So companies pay more for people who are less productive in the first few years. This was not a big deal when companies hired people and 10 or 20 years later, they still worked there, but today, many are lucky to hit 5 years. In fact, 5 year employees are often celebrated like a huge milestone. And realistically, if you really stop and look at your job or jobs of those around you, did they learn that in school or did they learn that on the job? Most learned on the job. I also worked fulltime when I was in college and the school lagged the company in technology by about 5 years. What was really bad were things like wanting you to know things and figure things out that took hours to do when you could look it up in 5 minutes. The real job was about building on existing knowledge in 10 minutes and moving on to something more advanced. School concentrated on the learning at each step so much, they were left behind. It is what a friend calls "chainsaw mentality". Let's say you are building a fence. You can carefully measure and cut each board by hand for great accuracy and take 5 minutes a board. Or you can stack 10 boards up, pull out the chainsaw, and cut them all off in 2 minutes. Even if the chainsaw isn't as accurate, you have a result, and then you can clean it up where needed. The first method takes 50 minutes to get started. The other you are started and doing refinement at 3 minutes. In the real world, 47 minutes defines companies that are growing and making money and companies that the stock has plummeted and are hoping someone will buy them out. Donald Trump's The Apprentice is running this scenario right now. > Obviously, you aren't talking about "quality paying" jobs for thopse with > college degrees.... [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > unemployment, means overall in my are there are more jobs then people > > to fill them. Right now it is a workers market. Well you can say what you want: I spent the past summer living in my moving van & had to sell my Cabriolet (which took forever & I finally had to settle for trading for a non-running Fiero & getting just 2 grand boot) in order to build a 16 x 16 loft in my storage building/shop to stay warm this winter. I've been trying to get work (doing *quality* - SHOW quality if you want it - paint jobs) for the past 9 months & have several folks that *want* me to do it but none of them have the money to do *anything* right now. My best friend lost his job, his home, & everything he couldn't put here at my place & in a 10 x 10 storage building & is now homeless. Yeah - the economy is GREAT!!!! ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! >Well you can say what you want: I spent the past summer living in my moving >van & had to sell my Cabriolet (which took forever & I finally had to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Easy on the Giggle Cream! Hey, but you got Internet access. As I said if you have a useable skill set and are willing to be mobile there is plenty of work out there. Perhaps part of your problem is you want to do one 5K paint job as opposed to five 1K ones. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >Hey, but you got Internet access. As I said if you have a useable skill set and are willing to be mobile there is plenty of work out there. Perhaps part of your problem is you want to do one 5K paint job as opposed to five 1K ones. ********** No; the most I've quoted for a job was $4,300, for a Mera that needed a LOT of fiberglass work. It would cost a *minimum* of 8 grand anywhere else. I have no overhead & can save folks thousands on their paint jobs. I've also quoted as low as $1,200 for a BMW. Keep in mind I use *quality* materials, including epoxy primer & Sikkens clear, so my cost in materials *alone* usually runs around $600 to $1,200. *Never* less tha $600; if you've priced Sikkens clear lately you'll see why. Now, if someone wants me to use cheap materials & do a *cheap* job I'll do that too. Won't guarantee it for 20 years, though (*maybe* 2). I don't have a degree so can't get those $75,000 jobs you mentioned in another post... BTW it's the world's WORST internet access - Alltel. Here's a typical "session": Connect - 2K & less than 30 seconds later disconnetced. Reconnect - 70K & less than 1 min. later disconnetced. Reconnect - 91K & less than 30 seconds later disconnetced. Reconnect - 1K & less than 10 seconds later disconnetced. Reconnect - 666K & 8 min. later disconnetced. Reconnect - 91K & less than 30 seconds later disconnetced. Dialed again - No answer. Reconnect - 177K & 5&1/2 mins. later disconnetced. Dialed again - No answer. Dialed again - No answer. Reconnect - 334K & 12 min. later disconnetced. Reconnect - 487K & 20 min. later disconnetced. Dialed again - Error: Disconnetced from the computer you dialed. Final connection to send one email. This is what I go through to check my email from the server, Hotmail, Yahoo mail, 4 Yahoo groups, & usually 3 or 4 Talkabout groups (news groups accessed via talkaboutautos.com). Should take about 30 min.; usually takes me an hour & 20 mins. Life is hard. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Oops: gotta re-connect before I try to send this, or at least copy it or I'll be typing it over... >>Hey, but you got Internet access. As I said if you have a useable >skill set and are willing to be mobile there is plenty of work out [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >Oops: gotta re-connect before I try to send this, or at least copy it or >I'll be typing it over... So what is the issue, if you are good & inexpensive (different then cheap) why aren't you getting work? Is it your geographical location, advertising, contacts or what? If you ever want help getting your business up running & thriving let me know and I'll help you with a business plan. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade So what is the issue, if you are good & inexpensive (different then cheap) why aren't you getting work? Is it your geographical location, advertising, contacts or what? If you ever want help getting your business up running & thriving let me know and I'll help you with a business plan. *********** My previous point; there is no money in this economy. These folks are all close by (or fairly so). In the past I've had folks bring cars from as far away as Ohio (I'm in Ga.) for me to paint them. Of course, there *are* folks with money, but they're not auto enthusiasts (apparently) & BTW don't give a ~(<`) about other folks if my website Screwed By insurance is any indication. BTW it will be back up soon. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! >So what is the issue, if you are good & inexpensive (different then >cheap) why aren't you getting work? Is it your geographical location, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Easy on the Giggle Cream! There was just a piece on the CBS nightly news with Dan Rather over the high need for blue collar works. They interviewed the President of technical Community College who talk about multiple year waits to get into such programs as Auto Collision Repair, Certified Mechanics, and Electricians. They interviewed the owner of a Landscaping Business who said he would gladly pay $50,000 a ten-month year for workers if he could find them and they were motivated. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade >There was just a piece on the CBS nightly news with Dan Rather over the high need for blue collar works. They interviewed the President of technical Community College who talk about multiple year waits to get into such programs as Auto Collision Repair, Certified Mechanics, and Electricians. They interviewed the owner of a Landscaping Business who said he would gladly pay $50,000 a ten-month year for workers if he could find them and they were motivated. ********* Yeah; I can't do landscaping, & doing bodywork for 30 years has rendered my joints, back, etc. in pretty bad shape. I can work full time on concrete for a couple months, then my knees, back, feet, wrists, pretty much give out - although I *can* work a limited schedule. Besides the daily pain it gets *very* bad when a knee pops out of joint. Once it stops hurting I have always been able to pop it back in (& continue working within a few minites :-) as did my father. Multiple year waits to get into body school(?): you think there are *not* plenty of young bodymen out there? You think body jobs are easy to find? Also; in the news tonight: *Another* plant closes in Ga. & 280 *more* folks are out of work. You're seeing the bright side of the good ole' USA, as most folks that are financially secure. It's a shame you/they can't see the truth. We're off-topic here - I'm sure the others are getting tired of this thread by now... ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! > >There was just a piece on the CBS nightly news with Dan Rather over > the high need for blue collar works. They interviewed the President [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Easy on the Giggle Cream! (I don't think a conversation expressing two different sides of a very important issue can be off topic very much, no matter where it's posted.) >> >There was just a piece on the CBS nightly news with Dan Rather over >> the high need for blue collar works. They interviewed the President [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >(I don't think a conversation expressing two different sides of a very >important issue can be off topic very much, no matter where it's posted.) Not everyone thinks so, so I guess that is the end of that. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade ThaDriver spoke thusly: > No; the most I've quoted for a job was $4,300, for a Mera that needed a <snip> Meanwhile, new housing starts have set new records for the past 4 years. Housing sales, same thing. Inflation is low, unemployment is low and still falling, interest rates are low, etc. Maybe it's your location or something? SignatureShut up, Dave. -|>|- Diode -|<|- '68 L-79 Coupe '79 Triumph Bonneville >Meanwhile, new housing starts have set new records for the past 4 years. Housing sales, same thing. Inflation is low, unemployment is low and still falling, interest rates are low, etc. Maybe it's your location or something? ********** Yeah; the SE sucks - especially Ga. Can't for the life of me determine why all the northerners are moving down here (must be the weather) or where they're getting their money from. (much less *why* they're moving to such grossly overpopulated areas as roswell!!!) Housing will *always* go up; more people are born every day. As for unemployment, those statistics are very misleading. They only cover folks actually *getting* unemployment, & do not include those that don't qualify for it, have stopped getting it, or have never applied (among a myirad of others like myself). It goes down 'cause folks are dropping off of it. A close friend just recently lost his job, then his home, & is now homeless - yet he is not part of that unemployment statistic. Our deficit dosen't help, & yet the repblicans are making that worse every year... With them the rich (smallest percentage of the population) get richer & the poor get poorer, & it's always been that way. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! > >Meanwhile, new housing starts have set new records for the past 4 years. > Housing sales, same thing. Inflation is low, unemployment is low and > still falling, interest rates are low, etc. Maybe it's your location or > something? > ********** > Yeah; the SE sucks - especially Ga. Most northerners are just moving south to get some use of their tax money back that the southern Democrats have siphoned off the north for years. Quite a few are southern families moving back that moved up north to get the war jobs in the 40's. > Can't for the life of me determine why all the northerners are moving down > here (must be the weather) or where they're getting their money from. > (much > less *why* they're moving to such grossly overpopulated areas as > roswell!!!) My son lives down your way, employment seems about the same as up here in Ohio 5.9% with our neighboring state of Michigan at 7.3% and Indiana's 5.1%. They have a 6.7% versus Georgia's 4.4% People that want to work are working, maybe not at what they want but they are working. Housing starts dipped to a low of 1,000,000 in May of 1995, Democrat in office, at least that's what he called himself, to a high of 1,390,000 in Jan. 1999. Then there is the low of 1,160,000 in Sept. 2000 to the high of 1,675,000 in Sept. 2003 and Sept. 2004. Lots of rich folk must be building homes. > Housing will *always* go up; more people are born every day. As for > unemployment, those statistics are very misleading. They only cover folks [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > close friend just recently lost his job, then his home, & is now homeless > - yet he is not part of that unemployment statistic. Yep, need to blame someone for those people being rich, it sure wasn't from them working to gain any wealth. Some poor do get poorer and some rich get richer and it always has been that way whether there was a Democrat in office or a Republican, but then it was that way when Sodom was in power in his country also. > Our deficit dosen't help, & yet the repblicans are making that worse every > year... With them the rich (smallest percentage of the population) get > richer & the poor get poorer, & it's always been that way. > ~ Paul > aka "Tha Driver" Sorry, don't mean to keep an OT thread going but I'm weak that way. Got to get that driveway pored this summer, almost couldn't get the trailer back to the shop with a Corvette on. Nice weather so I quit early and took the C6 to the parts store to get some parts for a 1964 what??? Had to order them and the kid said he'd bring them down Monday so he could look at it. This thing needs more help than I first thought, don't they all. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd >My son lives down your way, employment seems about the same as up here in Ohio 5.9% with our neighboring state of Michigan at 7.3% and Indiana's 5.1%. They have a 6.7% versus Georgia's 4.4% People that want to work are working, maybe not at what they want but they are working. ******** Yeah I'm sure I could get a job a McD's but after 30 years of doing body & frame work on concrete I can't stand on it for 8 hours a day for more tham a couple months. There *is* alot of money in the area but it dosen't seem to come the way of us auto enthusiasts. I've been trying to make a living doing websites but there is too much competition & I don't have the funds to advertise... >This thing needs more help than I first thought, don't they all. ******** Truer words were never said. At least the '64 Vettes are worth restoring; very cool & unique machine. Is it a coupe? Did you know they made fewer '64 coupes than '63 split windows? ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! >>This thing needs more help than I first thought, don't they all. > ******** [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ~ Paul > aka "Tha Driver" Yeah, about 2,290 and it would be my pick if I were to have one, I've never been a convertible fan since I sold the '61. From what this deal is working out to I won't own this one. When I went to pick it up the first words out of her mouth were Barret/Jackson. As I was getting it ready to load she kept telling me about the $1,000 each knock off wheels that were with it. She brought out a spinner hub cap. Lots more to this story but as far as I'm concerned it's over, just another job. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd You'll have to tell her that Barrett Jackson is full of people with far more money than brains. Then they get drunk, and bid. In the real world, that doesn't happen. In fact, her car B-J wouldn't even let in. It doesn't shine enough. Tell her it is as likely to get that money out of her car as having Paul McCartney come to her house to play Happy Birthday for her, or maybe even Elvis. (Yes, we know those odds.) B-J tends to attract a lot of people who spend $10,000 the way she probably spends $1. Lots of Hollywood types, pro sports types, and new money types that probably made $100,000 between breakfast and the auction. To them, $160,000 for a shiny car isn't a big deal. > >>This thing needs more help than I first thought, don't they all. > > ******** [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Lots more to this story but as far as I'm concerned it's over, just another > job. > You'll have to tell her that Barrett Jackson is full of people with far > more [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > even > let in. It doesn't shine enough. You got that, their lighting is a great seller as far as the shine goes. There is allot good to say about her 64 but not the 40 figure she thinks it's worth. My 72 looks better in more ways than one, I'm sure the 64 could be made much more valuable then can the 72. Did you ever see Proteams 59 Retractable Hardtop? They were asking $500,000 for it at one time. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd Oops, it was a 58. > Did you ever see Proteams 59 Retractable Hardtop? They were asking > $500,000 for it at one time. Only in the ads. D&A Corvettes in Gillespie, IL used to have a '58 that was redesigned as a mini '58 Impala convertible with a continental kit. I used to have pictures. If I can find them, I'll scan and post here, if no one screams too much about a picture on a binary group. > Oops, it was a 58. > > > Did you ever see Proteams 59 Retractable Hardtop? They were asking > > $500,000 for it at one time. Someone didn't do their homework on this. http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=179140 http://www.docrebuild.com/dr-r-web/currentevents-56a.html > >>This thing needs more help than I first thought, don't they all. > > ******** [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Lots more to this story but as far as I'm concerned it's over, just another > job. "Docs" math isn't very good either as he calculates the 8% commission at about 15% "Don't ask me to appraise you car. I underestimated almost all. Note the sold price includes the 8% auction commission. To find the sellers payday, divide the sold price by 108, and then multiply by 92. I missed some of the live action on the Speed channel, but captured some of the excitement and presentation at BJ. These TV" http://www.docrebuild.com/dr-r-web/currentevents-56.html#anchor252421 > Someone didn't do their homework on this. > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >>job. Anyway you figure it, it is an awful lot of money to pay for a clone. Just think, you can't even sell it as an original 300 hp anymore because that engine is now gone. > "Docs" math isn't very good either as he calculates the 8% commission at > about 15% [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > Someone didn't do their homework on this. http://www.barrett-jackson.com/auctionresults/common/cardetail.asp?id=179140 > > http://www.docrebuild.com/dr-r-web/currentevents-56a.html > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > >>job. >Obviously, you aren't talking about "quality paying" jobs for thopse with >college degrees.... >13,000 being laid off at AT&T and the whole high tech sector isn't doing >much better. I'm a CIO not exactly rolling in dough, but doing OK. I have had an open programmer analyst position that pays about $73K a year for over 6-months now. Yeah certain locations have had sh.t hit the fan. Hell AT&T was just bought by SBC anyways. Nowadays you want work, you gotta go where the job is. I know of at least 30 IT jobs all paying 70K plus that are open right now all over the county. Just need the right skill set and have a willingness to go where the work is. I've lived in numerous places in the past 20+ years. IT is the new migrant worker. >>>ThaDriver spoke thusly: >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> unemployment, means overall in my are there are more jobs then people >> to fill them. Right now it is a workers market. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:55:02 -0800, "TF" <theforce@forcet.net> wrote something wonderfully witty: I'm a CIO not exactly rolling in dough, but doing OK. I have had an open programmer analyst position that pays about $73K a year for over 6-months now. Yeah certain locations have had sh.t hit the fan. Hell AT&T was just bought by SBC anyways. Nowadays you want work, you gotta go where the job is. I know of at least 30 IT jobs all paying 70K plus that are open right now all over the county. Just need the right skill set and have a willingness to go where the work is. I've lived in numerous places in the past 20+ years. IT is the new migrant worker. ***************************************************** I sure wish I could get others to understand what you just said. I've told that to my son and his friends until I'm blue in the face. They still sit on their butts and whine about how tough the job market is. I told my son that when he graduates, he isn't going to be allowed to do that. SignatureCharlie !993 Corvette Convertible >On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 06:55:02 -0800, "TF" <theforce@forcet.net> wrote >something wonderfully witty: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >on their butts and whine about how tough the job market is. I told my son >that when he graduates, he isn't going to be allowed to do that. I know Charlie it is hard. I have a daughter who graduates in a year and another who starts college in a year. They are both welcome to live at home as long as they want, but they are going to work. Although that has never been an issue with either of them. When my oldest is home from college she works her a.s off usually doing 12-hour days. My youngest who is a senior in HS has had one job or another (sometimes two) since she got her license. Right now as a HS senior she is bringing in $300 every two weeks as a Hostess at a Chili's. Half goes into the College fund the other half is hers. Signature"Either kill me or take me as I am, because I'll be damned if I ever change..." The Marquis de Sade LOL Yea that would be underhanded.... ;-) COUGH*Iraq can attack us within hours with massive stockpiles of WMD*COUGH hehehehehe > ThaDriver spoke thusly: > > You have to stop listening to those Gloom-and-doomers that will have > you believing that the sky is falling just to support their own agenda. SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson >I REALLY need to sell my car.... ******** You & a lot of other folks. No one has any money in this economy: it's a buyer's market. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! |
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