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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / February 2005Believe it or not
Today as I was getting ready to go vote on a special school levy I got a call that was a surprise. A 1964 Corvette convertible is up for sale that I've been around for most of it's life. Very basic convertible, 36,000 miles, driven yearly in parades, 300 hp motor, Powerglide, nothing spectacular about the car except it is a one owner and never restored. As much as I dislike the 63/67 Corvettes this one interests me. Like I said before I'm looking for a 68/72 but I could live with this car. Of course we would all like to steal it but what is the actual value of a car like this? I also realize none of you have seen it and pictures in my opinion still leave a big hole in it's actual condition and the final decision will be left to me but lets hear your opinions.  SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd > Today as I was getting ready to go vote on a special school levy I > got a call that was a surprise. > > A 1964 Corvette convertible is up for sale that I've been around for > most of it's life. Very basic convertible, 36,000 miles, driven Tough call, as you said. When I buy older/collector cars I usually consult Hemmings, Ebay, and the internet in general to see what similiar vehicles are selling for (or at least asking price), as well as local Auto Trader. Good luck with your deal, we'll keep our fingers crossed for you! > A 1964 Corvette convertible is up for sale that I've been around for most of > it's life. Very basic convertible, 36,000 miles, driven yearly in parades, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pictures in my opinion still leave a big hole in it's actual condition and > the final decision will be left to me but lets hear your opinions. Ballpark Numbers only! #4 condition US$10,800 ( good driver needing minor work - needs help at 20 feet) #3 condition 21,600 (very good driver - looks good at 20 ft.) #2 condition 37,800 (unlikely it is this good) #1 condition 54,000 (not driven trailer queen) Add $3,000 for knock off wheels, add $3000 for hardtop) Sounds like you are looking at something a #4 and #3 car ... just guessing. Keep in mind the auto is not 'really' of less value but somewhat les desirable HTH Richard > Today as I was getting ready to go vote on a special school levy I got a > call that was a surprise. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > pictures in my opinion still leave a big hole in it's actual condition and > the final decision will be left to me but lets hear your opinions. Dad: Just remember, "you can't take it with you". Live each day like it's your last, sing like no one is listening and dance like no one is watching. If it makes you happy, "Just Do It". Buy the car. Ask the owner what he wants, and if it's reasonable and you can afford it, pay it. Never "Expect" to make money on a car, just be happy on the rare occasion when you do. You can place no dollar value on Happiness. TomC '90 ZR1 > A 1964 Corvette convertible is up for sale that I've been around for most > of it's life. Very basic convertible, 36,000 miles, driven yearly in > parades, 300 hp motor, Powerglide, nothing spectacular about the car > except it is a one owner and never restored. Not a Powerglide but a 4 speed, started fair and run the same, no smoke after it burnt out the oil I put in the cylinders (forgot how bad those damn shields can cut you up when working on the plugs). No real smoke on startup after it set for 3 hours but it has a rear main leak and some steering fluid, radiator was sweet and no leaks, clutch chattered a little. Has non stock rally rims and tires, with the original tires, rims, and hubcaps boxed and stored since 1967. Hardtop is stored and has only been on maybe a half dozen times. Exhaust and shocks need attention. I about died when I turned the wipers on and the rubber tore off and the arm and went screeching across the windshield. Seats are brittle with some open seams and the top is only fair, carpet has faded some. The paint is unbelievable for it's age, I couldn't find anyplace that showed a repaint and very little breakdown in it's integrity. Will trailer it down to my shop for an oil change, service, shocks, and put on a new exhaust system to help it sell. Then I can check all of the numbers before I have to decide if it is the way to go for me. Yes, she laid a price on me and it is high, of course I'm a buyer not a seller so it's what I'm supposed to think. >As much as I dislike the 63/67 Corvettes this one interests me. Like I said >before I'm looking for a 68/72 but I could live with this car. Of course we >would all like to steal it but what is the actual value of a car like this? >I also realize none of you have seen it and pictures in my opinion still >leave a big hole in it's actual condition and the final decision will be >left to me but lets hear your opinions. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd > Not a Powerglide but a 4 speed, This is plus down the road started fair and run the same, no smoke > after it burnt out the oil I put in the cylinders Another plus (forgot how bad those damn > shields can cut you up when working on the plugs). Fun isn't it! :-) No real smoke on startup > after it set for 3 hours but it has a rear main leak and some steering > fluid, radiator was sweet and no leaks, clutch chattered a little. How long since it was run? Just curious... Has non > stock rally rims and tires, with the original tires, rims, and hubcaps boxed > and stored since 1967. A little money to be spent here if you want it stock ... but for a driver ... who cares? ... Hardtop is stored and has only been on maybe a half > dozen times. Exhaust and shocks need attention. I about died when I turned > the wipers on and the rubber tore off and the arm and went screeching across [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Yes, she laid a price on me and it is high, of course I'm a buyer not a > seller so it's what I'm supposed to think. Sounds like you are about to fall in lust. Not a bad thing. Considering that the paint is so good you may find that the saving on a new paint job more than covers the other expenses you might have to get her ready for the road. Paint is a real big deal if you are fussy and want a resto job. I tend to agree with the others here... if the price isn't right off the end of reasonable then just buy the damn thing and enjoy. Heck I spend way too much money on my "toys" but figure the option is to leave it all to the kids and have a boring, crappy life in the meantime. Enjoy it while you can ... this ain't no dress rehearsal. Keep us posted, if you don't want it maybe somebody else here does. Richard >> stock rally rims and tires, with the original tires, rims, and hubcaps >> boxed and stored since 1967. > > A little money to be spent here if you want it stock ... but for a > driver ... who cares? ... Geez, I missread that.... bonus! it's all there 'cept maybe rims (bias vrs radial rated) and tires. Richard > Sounds like you are about to fall in lust. Not a bad thing. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Richard I know about the toys being high cost items, last year I had a 98, got an 04 and then the 05 but then I drove them 30,000 miles in less than a year. Can't stand to have them and not drive them when ever I go anyplace. I'm well aware that "someone else might want it" and that could be why I've not mentioned the location, color, name, and anything else that could cause me to lose out on it if I want it. It has been about 3 years since it has been run and I only drove it about 10 miles and let it idle for about 20 minutes to get it warmed up before I did that. The door seals and the rubber bushing and the radiator hoses on this thing amazes me although I don't trust them they look fine. SignatureDad Life is a sexually transmitted condition that is always fatal. >> Sounds like you are about to fall in lust. Not a bad thing. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >and the radiator hoses on this thing amazes me although I don't trust them >they look fine. A little off topic but Dad, did I understand you in another post that you now prefer the 04 over the 05? Can you tell me why briefly? > A little off topic but Dad, did I understand you in another post that > you now prefer the 04 over the 05? Can you tell me why briefly? I didn't expect the '05 to be orgasmic or anything and GM came through like a champ, blaaaand. First it is a little on the electronic gimmicky side, less rear vision from the coupe, interior is kind of a disappointment, dislike a painted surface where you put the cell phone/laptop because of possible scratches. Our state requires a front license plate, the radiator has no straight in object protection, overall design just not any better than the C5, personal thing. The shifter is better than the C5 but still needs a better defined reverse gate and rattles, just a different tune. It is setup so it has got to be in reverse to completely shut it down or it will kill /damage your battery. If you were to leave it that way it can be started and driven away without a fob inside the car. The creases in the roof give off an annoying glint in your eyes when you're driving. I think the reason I still like the C5 is that this is supposed to be a C6 and it is a far cry from being the "next generation" just a warmed over C5 with some changes made to stuff the Cadillac crowd in. There were more changes to the C1 and the C3 over their life span than there is between the C5 and the C6 by a wide margin. The only reason it's a C6 is the get the sales numbers up, and from what I see they aren't doing that very well, time will tell. Then there's the Z06 and its sales hype, "even your Grandmother will be able to tell the difference", yeah, right. Those that buy that will have a car that is like trying to tell the difference between the ZR-1 and the run of the mill C4. Same silhouette with a gash here and a blister there and a 50% price increase. Although I like the power it is not the only reason to buy a Corvette and certainly not at a 50% premium. A goal in my life was to own one of ever generation Corvette, this I've done with the C6 bringing the least amount of pride and satisfaction. As you can see my likes and dislikes are a personal thing and will surely be kicked around by others as not being so, but they are still personal feelings and opinions. Most of us will not accept something that goes against the reasons that they will use to justify getting what they want, that's a good thing. So here's the reasons I like the C6 Corvette - It has a ride that I like, so does the C5. It has more power than I can use, so does the C5 It has a "G" meter in the HUD, the C5 does not. It has a design I like, so does the C5. It is a Corvette, so is the C5. It has headlights that work, so does the C5. It has headlights that work great, the C5 does not. It has bakes that work great, so does the C5 (almost). It has been flawless, so were the C5s. It has great fit and finish, so does the C5. Which brings up a couple of other points - - - The C5 turned heads everywhere, the C6 does not. The C5 is now a great value, the C6 is not. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd >> A little off topic but Dad, did I understand you in another post that >> you now prefer the 04 over the 05? Can you tell me why briefly? [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >The C5 turned heads everywhere, the C6 does not. >The C5 is now a great value, the C6 is not. Thank you for the informative reply. I've owned one of every generation and after my '67, nothing made me happy until the C5. No desire to get the '67 back anymore! >> A little off topic but Dad, did I understand you in another post that >> you now prefer the 04 over the 05? Can you tell me why briefly? [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > The C5 turned heads everywhere, the C6 does not. > The C5 is now a great value, the C6 is not. This makes me really happy I bought a C5 and not a C6... TF > I've owned one of every generation and after my '67, nothing made me happy > until the C5. No desire to get the '67 back anymore! [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] >> The C5 turned heads everywhere, the C6 does not. >> The C5 is now a great value, the C6 is not. Not to get flamed here, but my girlfriend has a c5 convertible and I have a c6 coupe. They are both nice, but the c6 definitely is a cut above the c5 in ride, transmission (ie shifting) ,power. Definitely like the c6 better. wiOn Mon, 21 Feb 2005 09:57:09 -0800, "TF" <theforce@forcet.net> wrote: >This makes me really happy I bought a C5 and not a C6... >TF [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>> The C5 turned heads everywhere, the C6 does not. >>> The C5 is now a great value, the C6 is not. Richard - How about the difference in luggage space and passenger room - are they the same? I haven't looked at a C6 yet. Bob > Not to get flamed here, but my girlfriend has a c5 convertible and > I have a c6 coupe. They are both nice, but the c6 definitely is a cut [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >>>> The C5 turned heads everywhere, the C6 does not. >>>> The C5 is now a great value, the C6 is not. The C5 has 24.8, the new improved C6 has 22.4, with a higher rear end that cuts down on the rear vision. Passenger room is also a bit smaller on the shoulder and hip, .1 more head room and .3 leg room, look it up. Remember the hype about how the C5 corrected all of the faults the C4 had? Well the same hype says that the C6 corrected all of the C5 problems. Even one of the car magazines said it was more like a C5.5. Don't get me wrong it's a nice car but not that much even though they think it is and have raised the price more than a grand already, mine was $43,445 base and it is now $44,510. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd > Richard - How about the difference in luggage space and passenger room - > are they the same? I haven't looked at a C6 yet. Bob >> Not to get flamed here, but my girlfriend has a c5 convertible and >> I have a c6 coupe. They are both nice, but the c6 definitely is a cut >> above the c5 in ride, transmission (ie shifting) ,power. Definitely >> like the c6 better. A new set of tires and they would both ride the same and the shifting change was minor with a little shorter throw with the manual. The A4 has a different shift analog but who has an A4 in a Corvette, actually I like them. To me, the shifter is a large improvement. My preference has always been a short throw. Appears less balky. I have driven the c5 and c6 back to back many times. I have never driven a c5, however with an aftermarket shifter. As far as the passenger room, I can really tell no difference. I have driven each on 500 mile days with no problem and no discomfort. > To me, the shifter is a large improvement. My preference has always > been a short throw. Appears less balky. I have driven the c5 and c6 > back to back many times. I have never driven a c5, however with an > aftermarket shifter. As far as the passenger room, I can really > tell no difference. I have driven each on 500 mile days with no > problem and no discomfort. The shifter has a better rattle to it and even with the shorter throw, they had 8 years to fix it and didn't. My '72 has a better shifter with a more defined shift gate. If you traveled in it as I do you would see how much the room has changed, the C5 went 10 day with and average of 600 miles a day to the west coast and back. Two day break and drove to the east coast. The most I've made with the C6 is 3 days averaging 700 mile each. Just short of 7,000 miles and headed out on a 5 state cruise Friday. Still just a C5 with minor improvements. Buy what you like and drive it, who cares what other people think about what you drive. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd Sorry, but I do travel in it. I find it more comfortable than the c5. My shifter also doesn't rattle. Don't get me wrong, I like the c5. However, if the 2005 was a c5, I would have bought nothing. One thing is that I am that average size that everything is designed to fit. Maybe it just fits. Sorry your isn't what you wanted. >> To me, the shifter is a large improvement. My preference has always >> been a short throw. Appears less balky. I have driven the c5 and c6 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >improvements. Buy what you like and drive it, who cares what other people >think about what you drive. Under full acceleration your shifter doesn't rattle? Great. How many miles do you have on the C6? No need to be sorry because you travel in it unless you're not happy with it. By the way, I never said I didn't want mine, although I'd take another C5 any day, just said it's not as big an improvement over the C5 and just a little disappointed in GM's claims, but that salesmanship I guess. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd > Sorry, but I do travel in it. I find it more comfortable than the > c5. My shifter also doesn't rattle. Don't get me wrong, I like the [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >>improvements. Buy what you like and drive it, who cares what other people >>think about what you drive. Doesn't rattle. Check for a TSB if it rattles. I know there was a problem with early c6 shifters. Believe me, I do enjoy this car. >Under full acceleration your shifter doesn't rattle? Great. How many miles >do you have on the C6? No need to be sorry because you travel in it unless >you're not happy with it. By the way, I never said I didn't want mine, >although I'd take another C5 any day, just said it's not as big an >improvement over the C5 and just a little disappointed in GM's claims, but >that salesmanship I guess. Hers is a convertible, so yes the coupe has much more cargo space, but is a little less than the c5 coupe. Passenger room appears about the same, just a little more refined. You can however put some cargo in it with the top stowed. Prices have been nuts lately, and no doubt she has had some contact with someone who has seen/herd of the Barrett Jackson Auction. It is almost unavoidable. As such, prices are high. Real terms, the car is worth probably $28,000 because you sound like an interior to get it right and decent. Maybe another $1000 in misc. In today's terms, that translates into about $34,000. Of course, there is the "you are only original once" factor in that it hasn't been restored. And that could drive the price higher in the right venues. If it was really nice, even an amateur restoration, it would be in the $40,000 range. After all, it is a '64. > > A 1964 Corvette convertible is up for sale that I've been around for most > > of it's life. Very basic convertible, 36,000 miles, driven yearly in [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >leave a big hole in it's actual condition and the final decision will be > >left to me but lets hear your opinions. > Prices have been nuts lately, and no doubt she has had some contact with > someone who has seen/herd of the Barrett Jackson Auction. It is almost [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If it was really nice, even an amateur restoration, it would be in the > $40,000 range. After all, it is a '64. You are right in the price range she quoted me with the plus being the hard top. She has called twice about when I'll be there to pick it up, I think I better move or she'll get cold feet. > If it was really nice, even an amateur restoration, it would be in the > $40,000 range. After all, it is a '64. Are '64s finding their own following or are they still the underdog between the '63s and '65s? (I'm not sure how you mean, "After all, it is a '64 - and I haven't followed pricing and popularity for some years now.) Here's waving to ya - \|||| Owen ___ '67BB & '72BB ___ "To know the world intimately is the beginning of caring." -- Ann Hayman Zwinger >> If it was really nice, even an amateur restoration, it would be in the >> $40,000 range. After all, it is a '64. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >'67BB & '72BB =================================== I own a "real nice" 64 .. 5-6 years ago when I was looking for a Mid Year I discovered the price of 64s allowed me to get a much nicer car for "my" money then 65's 66s etc... Only shortcomming that my car has is that it had drum brakes at all 4 corners... and even though it is fully a documented 365 HP car I converted the fronts to Discs.. because I like to protect my own rear...so to speak.. Most likely 64's will always lag the other Mid Years in Price BUT in my opinion not in Value... Bob 68 SS 396 Chevelle 64 72 76 79 & 95 Corvettes ---Snip---- >Of course we would all like to steal it but what is the actual value of a >car like this? I also realize none of you have seen it and pictures in my >opinion still leave a big hole in it's actual condition and the final >decision will be left to me but lets hear your opinions. Like the others have said, if you can agree on a price, get it. Just don't bust it gawking at your reflection in the store windows as you drive by. Ha Ha! ;-) Marty |
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