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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / March 2005concerns before buying
Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet that give numbers for typical costs of ownership but I'm still looking while asking here. Trying to avoid a lengthy post with details, a) Does 65 cents/mile sound reasonable ( omitting assumptions but I don't think these will affect the cost more than 5 cents/mile) ? b) Do you think the car is as reliable as a Honda Accord? c) Is an extended warrantee worth the cost and if so, what is a fair cost from the dealer for "x" number of years?? I don't plan to do repairs and expect to own it hopefully 10 years minimum. Appreciate the help here. http://www.gmoutlet.com/gmpp.htm the link is for the extended warranty... dealers charge way too much... troy > Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of > ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Appreciate the help here. >http://www.gmoutlet.com/gmpp.htm >the link is for the extended warranty... dealers charge way too much... > >troy Thank Troy for the URL. > Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of > ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a) Does 65 cents/mile sound reasonable ( omitting assumptions but I > don't think these will affect the cost more than 5 cents/mile) ? You think that may change with the gas prices that have been going up? > b) Do you think the car is as reliable as a Honda Accord? Do you have a certain Honda Accord in mind that we can compare or are you just going to pick one at random? > c) Is an extended warrantee worth the cost and if so, what is a fair > cost from the dealer for "x" number of years?? I don't plan to do > repairs and expect to own it hopefully 10 years minimum. They can be worth the money if you have problems. > Appreciate the help here. I assume you are talking about buying a Corvette, but you have no other thoughts? Is this to be a new one, a coupe, a convertible, a well worn race machine, vintage, Big Block with drag gears, first year classic, or maybe a repossessed or recovered stolen machine? Where you live and drive it will make the cost change more than the 5 cents you're talking about.  SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd >> Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >> ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >You think that may change with the gas prices that have been going up? No I don't or maybe I should say not that much per mile from today on. >> b) Do you think the car is as reliable as a Honda Accord? > >Do you have a certain Honda Accord in mind that we can compare or are you >just going to pick one at random? Which ever way you want to compare since generally they are reliable cars. Having owned 2 of them in my life, I don't think it matters tho. If necessary, take the 90 or 91 Accord since it's got a long track record now. >> c) Is an extended warrantee worth the cost and if so, what is a fair >> cost from the dealer for "x" number of years?? I don't plan to do >> repairs and expect to own it hopefully 10 years minimum. > >They can be worth the money if you have problems. Very helpful. I think I knew that. You need not reply. I don't think you and I will see eye to eye. Perhaps the only thing we might agree upon, is that I omitted some info but I was trying to be brief. I wasn't trying to offend anyone and based on other replies, I don't think I did as I write this except maybe you. I won't apologize because I think thats what this newsgroup is for, to ask questions. I wouldn't get a vette if I was you... but then again... I'm not you. >>> Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >>> ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > think I did as I write this except maybe you. I won't apologize > because I think thats what this newsgroup is for, to ask questions. >I wouldn't get a vette if I was you... but then again... I'm not you. Ok. Do you have one? Yeah, if you have an email I'll send you some pics. Sorry, it's just most vette owners are more concerned with horsepower/performance, style, restoration and maintaining an American icon. Dependability and miles per gallon/cost of ownership are usually waaaay down on the list. Most people don't buy a Vette for the daily grocery getter. Look through the posts in her and it's kind of hard to find anyone bragging about the great gas mileage theirs gets. I just think that with your state of mind you'd probably be much happier with a Civic, or something along those lines. You said keep the replies short, so if I was you, I wouldn't get a Vette. >>I wouldn't get a vette if I was you... but then again... I'm not you. > > Ok. Do you have one? >Yeah, if you have an email I'll send you some pics. Sorry, it's just most >vette owners are more concerned with horsepower/performance, style, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >probably be much happier with a Civic, or something along those lines. You >said keep the replies short, so if I was you, I wouldn't get a Vette. No, I thought I said I was trying to keep my orig post brief not the replies from others. If I'm mistaken, I apologize. Based on some replies, it seems like cost shouldn't be a factor and actually tho my orig post may be misleading it's not my main concern. My main concern is reliability. I don't want it to live in the shop. Thanks for your input. My 93 is a daily driver. It has 116K miles on it. I change the oil every 5k miles. I've changes the plugs twice, the wires once. One fan motor. Flushed the radiator 5 times. A couple of hoses. One belt. One EGR tube at the back of the engine. A couple of trans filters and fluid changes. A knew stereo system. One Battery. A new top. A set of tires every 2 to 3 years (get them from The Tire Rack). One fuel filter. A pvc valve. Is that what you wanted to know? SignatureCharlie !993 Corvette Convertible On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:32:13 -0500, "Zorin Inc." <ZorinInc@cox.net> wrote: >Yeah, if you have an email I'll send you some pics. Sorry, it's just most >vette owners are more concerned with horsepower/performance, style, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >probably be much happier with a Civic, or something along those lines. You >said keep the replies short, so if I was you, I wouldn't get a Vette. No, I thought I said I was trying to keep my orig post brief not the replies from others. If I'm mistaken, I apologize. Based on some replies, it seems like cost shouldn't be a factor and actually tho my orig post may be misleading it's not my main concern. My main concern is reliability. I don't want it to live in the shop. Thanks for your input. >Yeah, if you have an email I'll send you some pics. Sorry, it's just most >vette owners are more concerned with horsepower/performance, style, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >probably be much happier with a Civic, or something along those lines. You >said keep the replies short, so if I was you, I wouldn't get a Vette. I actually did buy a `95 C-4 Corvette as a long distance commuter. I was quite surprised at the MPG that it got in comparison to some other GM vehicles I own with 4.3l V6's. The Vette surpassed them all and regularly returned me ~ 25mpg in mainly highway driving. The best the V6's seem to do is about 19mpg. Now a Honda Civic it ain't when it comes to gas milage, but who the hell wants to drive a cookie cutter car? >>>I wouldn't get a vette if I was you... but then again... I'm not you. >> >> Ok. Do you have one? Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown >I actually did buy a `95 C-4 Corvette as a long distance commuter. I >was quite surprised at the MPG that it got in comparison to some other [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >comes to gas milage, but who the hell wants to drive a cookie cutter >car? =================== Actually I also own a 95...6 speed...that has averaged 24.7 mpg over the 70,000 miles I have driven it....that is total average mpg...from the 1st drop of gasoline I ever put in it ... By far the most fuel efficient vehicile I own.. ...I normally use it for trips however... Heck even got 33 mpg on a 400 mile treck down the interstate with the cruise set at 82 mph... that was non stop gas station to gas station. damn good tail wind I guess.... Bob Griffiths >>I actually did buy a `95 C-4 Corvette as a long distance commuter. I >>was quite surprised at the MPG that it got in comparison to some other [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >damn good tail wind I guess.... >Bob Griffiths I've had a couple of those "What the f.ck?" tanks myself. Makes ya shake the old calculator once or twice. One big change that I noticed is when I switched from the original rubber over to Firestone SZ50's. My milage went up almost 2mpg. Never had a set of tires do that before. Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown Were you driving from the North to the South?? You get better gas mileage going down hill ;-) >Heck even got 33 mpg on a 400 mile treck down the interstate with the >cruise set at 82 mph... that was non stop gas station to gas station. >damn good tail wind I guess.... >Bob Griffiths > SignatureRic Seyler >>>> Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >>>> ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> No I don't or maybe I should say not that much per mile from today on. OK, it looks like you can do some math, lets do a little more and take the entire price of a Corvette and amortize it over the 10 years, @ 10,000 miles per, it comes out less than the .65 cent you were thinking might be reasonable. Gas could come out about .10 cents a mile so if your Corvette was worth nothing at the end of 10 years the only added cost invested is the insurance and maintenance. On the other hand $3 a mile won't cover it if you're like some and drive it less than 2,000 a year, see how that works? >>>> b) Do you think the car is as reliable as a Honda Accord? >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> tho. If necessary, take the 90 or 91 Accord since it's got a long >> track record now. I have no idea why it's up to me to pick a Honda to compare. So you're saying you want to compare a 90/91 Corvette to a 90/91 Honda? Or are you still keeping the car your thinking about secret? Generally Corvettes are reliable, after 40 plus years only one was a dog and only once did a Corvette let me down on the road. Honda doesn't have a long record to look back on, and if I did there's a brand new Honda that I would have liked to drive right up someone's a.s. My son thought it would help him through college and I never put as much time and money into repair even when I was drag racing. Thankfully he dumped the piece of crap some time before he was rear-ended at speed by a Jeep Gladiator while driving a 72 Monte Carlo, pushing the rear bumper into the rear wheels. He was unhurt, sore, but nothing broke or cut, we rebuilt it and he drove it for 3 more years for a total of 243,000 miles. >>>> c) Is an extended warrantee worth the cost and if so, what is a fair >>>> cost from the dealer for "x" number of years?? I don't plan to do >>>> repairs and expect to own it hopefully 10 years minimum. You need to re-read that stupid question. Is the insurance you buy worth its price? >>>They can be worth the money if you have problems. >> >> Very helpful. I think I knew that. Wouldn't have known that from your question. >> You need not reply. I don't think you and I will see eye to eye. >> Perhaps the only thing we might agree upon, is that I omitted some >> info but I was trying to be brief. Of course I need not reply, why should you look any worse than you already do? You still haven't put out enough information for anyone in here to give you the answer you were looking for, that's why you ask the question that way, isn't it? You could at the very least let some one know what your thoughts were, like if you were looking for a used car, a new car, .......... like I said before...... >> I wasn't trying to offend anyone and based on other replies, I don't >> think I did as I write this except maybe you. I won't apologize >> because I think thats what this newsgroup is for, to ask questions. I think you need to re-read some of those replies. Ignorance never apologizes. So I won't either because I'm still ignorant of what you're looking for. Like the old joke about the difference between a porcupine and a Corvette, the pricks are on the outside of the porcupine. You think you met one and so do I. Here's hoping I upset you enough that you don't get a Corvette, go back to Honda, you deserve them. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd >Here's hoping I upset you enough that you don't get a Corvette, go back to >Honda, you deserve them. What a SNOB. >>Here's hoping I upset you enough that you don't get a Corvette, go back to >>Honda, you deserve them. > > What a SNOB. May be, but I don't have to have my hand held to figure out the difference between a Corvette and a Honda. Ask your CPA how that math stuff works, makes stupid questions un-required. Ask him why you pay for a news server that is free, or is that so you can use an anonymous server? SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd >>>Here's hoping I upset you enough that you don't get a Corvette, go back to >>>Honda, you deserve them. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Ask him why you pay for a news server that is free, or is that so you can >use an anonymous server? Having never owned a vette and wanting to know how reliable it was, I chose to ask for a comparison to a known reliable car and the one that came to mind was a Honda Accord. I didn't ask or even think that the cost of either were about the same. If you want to use a Rolls Royce to compare to, ok. And, the reason I asked the cost per mile was I was trying to see what the real cost was, not the purchase price. Maybe you don't care what something costs but I do because I pay cash. >>May be, but I don't have to have my hand held to figure out the difference >>between a Corvette and a Honda. Ask your CPA how that math stuff works, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the real cost was, not the purchase price. Maybe you don't care what > something costs but I do because I pay cash. You are good, I never carry that much cash at one time although I haven't made any payments on anything for decades. I do it the old fashion way, put it on my credit card and do an electronic bank transfer, cash is just to bulky. You missed the entire point, the use you put a car to determines the cost per miles. If you are inclined to let the car sit all year the cost per mile is outrageous. On the other hand if you drive it the cost per miles goes down. Same thing I said before. Just to help you out the amount of miles you drive has a cost curve to it so ask you CPA how that works. SignatureLife is a sexually transmitted condition that is always fatal. > b) Do you think the car is as reliable as a Honda Accord? Probably not. >> b) Do you think the car is as reliable as a Honda Accord? > >Probably not. Ok. appreciate the reply. > >> b) Do you think the car is as reliable as a Honda Accord? > > > >Probably not. > > Ok. > appreciate the reply. BUT, don't forget the fun factor! If you are splitting cents/per mile as a concern of buying a Vette, you just might not be Vette material........ Not that a Vette is anything unusual in the cost per mile category, just an off-the-wall concern for a Sports Car/Driving Enjoyment purchase. No flame intended, I promise. :-) >Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Appreciate the help here. > SignatureRic Seyler >If you are splitting cents/per mile as a concern of buying >a Vette, you just might not be Vette material........ [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >No flame intended, I promise. :-) None taken and you make an excellent point. Actually I'm more concerned with reliability but I didn't make my orig post sound that way so your reply was IN LINE. I guess I'm afraid of American cars since my last American car owned was a '86 Caprice. Beautiful looking, pampered and detailed often but in the shop about every 2 months. I don't want to repeat that. thanks for the reply. I think I know where your coming from. Just to put your mind a little more at ease, Vettes '93 up C4, C5, C6 aren't any more prone for repairs than any other American build auto. It's not like buying a Ferrari when you plan dealer visits just like you plan oil changes. :-) Keep the oil changed, fluids up and not abuse it and it will be as trouble free and any other normal car and actually get you a little better mileage than most. (staying out of the throttle) >> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >thanks for the reply. > SignatureRic Seyler >Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Appreciate the help here. ================================== Honestly I have absolutely no clue.....I never have attempted to figure the actual cost per mile on any of my vehicles... Just say I do not want to know... Instead I measure my overall satisfaction ... repairs are a minus, smiles are a plus... Had to laugh on the Honda question... That is a car that is not often compared with a Corvette... But in general,.(.by the way I judge a car} the Honda may get a plus for repairs...but I kind of doubt a Honda would put too many smiles on my face.. Good luck... Bob Griffiths >>Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >>ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Good luck... >Bob Griffiths Thanks Bob for your honest straight forward reply. Your point is noted. My '90 Z51 has the best gas mileage on highways of any car I own; others are 2000 Grand Caravan, 1994 Town & Country. It clocks above 25mpg in 6th gear over long distances. Around town, however.... Mike Squires SignatureMike Squires (mikes at cs.indiana.edu) 317 233 9456 (w) 812 333 6564 (h) mikes at siralan.org 546 N Park Ridge Rd., Bloomington, IN 47408 >My '90 Z51 has the best gas mileage on highways of any car I own; others >are 2000 Grand Caravan, 1994 Town & Country. It clocks above 25mpg in 6th >gear over long distances. > >Around town, however.... Been my experience in a `95 coupe as well. Best milage numbers of my entire fleet all of which have smaller engines. As far as maintenance goes, yeah tires are more expensive, and Mobil One oil changes are as well, but Geez Louise none of the other fleet has as high a yee-ha factor. Although the `01 Mustang Drop-Top comes close. Fun little car to drive, but still gets worse milage and I used Mobile One in it as well. Oh and the Goodyear Eagles that go on it aren't all that cheaper either. Oh and get this, the freakin insurance on the damn Mustang is actually higher, don't ask me why. Signature"Maybe worshiping the cross and the painful death rather than the well lived life really has distorted our sense of who we are and what life is about." -- Author unkown > Had to laugh on the Honda question... That is a car that is not often > compared with a Corvette... But in general,.(.by the way I judge a > car} the Honda may get a plus for repairs...but I kind of doubt a > Honda would put too many smiles on my face.. You should try an S2000. AJM '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp Here's a 1 year eval of the C5 and the C6 is better http://motortrend.com/roadtests/oneyear/112_0001_lt98corv/index.html > Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of > ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Appreciate the help here. > Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of > ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet > that give numbers for typical costs of ownership but I'm still looking > while asking here. Trying to avoid a lengthy post with details, Are you including depreciation in your analysis? It actually cost me no more to drive my C6 than it does my Toyota 4Runner. Insurance is about the same, gas mileage is slightly better on the Vette and, knock on wood, they've both been equally trouble free. The cost of "general maintenance" is higher on a Vette. You must use synthetic oils, the air filters for the new Vette are $38.00 a piece and you need two! Tires, don't get me started. You'll be lucky to get 30K miles out of a set (and that's driving very conservatively) and then spend $1500 to replace them. > a) Does 65 cents/mile sound reasonable ( omitting assumptions but I > don't think these will affect the cost more than 5 cents/mile) ? > > b) Do you think the car is as reliable as a Honda Accord? Nothing is as reliable as a Honda Accord, nothing. Also, absolutely nothing is as boring (my wife drives one, the appliance of automobiles but it never, ever, breaks, goes 100K+ on brake pads, 60K on tires and there cheap to replace, etc. etc.) > c) Is an extended warrantee worth the cost and if so, what is a fair > cost from the dealer for "x" number of years?? I don't plan to do > repairs and expect to own it hopefully 10 years minimum. I would not have bought the C6 without an extended warranty. Not for the drive train, for all the electronics GM has insisted on adding. One minor glitch and you could be looking at several thousand dollars to trace and repair. My 5/75/250 plan was $1040.00 from the dealer and is the GM Major Guard plan (don't ever buy aftermarket warranties). To answer your real question, get the car. You will never experience a driving sensation like the Vette for 50K, not even close. It is as torquey as a Ferarri, as fast as a 911 Turbo and as reliable as a Chevy Malibu and can be worked on just about anywhere. If you keep trying to justify the car as a family car, economical, whatever, you'll never get off the pot. Took me forty years to take the plunge, wish I had done it sooner but could no longer resist the C6. As the old cliche goes, you only live once and sometimes you just have to say screw it. > Appreciate the help here. >> Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >> ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >sooner but could no longer resist the C6. As the old cliche goes, you >only live once and sometimes you just have to say screw it. Thanks Tom for the very helpful information. I like your style, you really tell it the way it is, especially in your closing remarks. I think you sold me on the car. Are you a Corvette saleman? If not, you should be <grin and meant as a compliment> . Thanks again. > Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of > ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Appreciate the help here. Ken, Try this forum for more information. There are a number of supporting dealers on that sight with pretty good pricing and availability. Also some great GM technical people including a couple from Bowling Green. http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zeromain >> Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >> ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zeromain Appreciate the help Tom once again. > Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of > ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Appreciate the help here. Are you serious? This may be one of times where if you you have to ask the question(s), you shouldn't be buying one! >> Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >> ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Are you serious? This may be one of times where if you you have to ask >the question(s), you shouldn't be buying one! According to my CPA, I can afford more than one paying cash. But I guess I'll believe you. But will you wave...? THAT is the question. >>> Before I buy, I have some concerns that deal with the total cost of >>> ownership as a daily driver. I haven't found any sites or replies yet [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > According to my CPA, I can afford more than one paying cash. But I > guess I'll believe you. |
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