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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 16:36 GMT Yesterday the friking ignition key wouldn't turn off (94 ragtop) had to pull a fuse to kill the engine then dropped the NEG bat cable.
I don't know if it's the lock cylinder or the ignition switch that's hanging so I dropped it off at Robert Tau Automotive (saw him listed in Vette Magazine as recommended), and I'm sick of Leo @ Leo's Corvette Center totally ripping me off. You can tell Leo when dropping off your car "Now Leo, I know what this job pays so don't rip me off", and he will anyway and sweet talk you.... LOLOL He's just one of those guys, you get mad at but can't stay mad at. :-) Well...... Tau had dirt parking lot, ragged building and a lot of other makes sitting around (have fingers crossed).
I got out the service manuals and then decided I didn't want to risk a broken jaw from setting off the dang airbag. LOLOL Gotta give the guy a chance I guess. I feel like a abused wife that keeps coming back with dang Leo. So I'll see how Robert does..... LOLOLOLOL
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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 16:42 GMT I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies???
I was wiping the dirt off the sidewalls waiting on him to fill out the repair order. LOLOL
A ragged shop (Tau) isn't always a sign of less than work quality, though..
Leo has a new big a.s shop with like 15 bays, clean as a pin and he also has to pay for it.... LOLOLOLOL
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'Key - 28 Jul 2005 18:20 GMT > I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable > Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies??? you could visit a local Locksmith with a key/lock problem.
> I was wiping the dirt off the sidewalls waiting on him to > fill [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pin > and he also has to pay for it.... LOLOLOLOL you said he was ripping you off. how many times must you get ripped off before you wake up ?
:-) -- "Key"
RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 19:14 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >how many times must you get ripped off before you wake up ? >:-) You have to chew him out and shame him into pricing things properly. LOLOL And I didn't take it to him this time. :-)
I was just worried about setting off the airbag and didn't want to crawl all under the dash incase it was the ignition switch at the bottom of the column.
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'Key - 28 Jul 2005 19:40 GMT >>>I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable >>>Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies??? [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > incase it was the ignition switch at the bottom of the > column. again, visit a local Locksmith with a key/lock problem. if you just have to mess with it yourself? (wouldn't advise without proper knowledge and tools) disconnect the battery / wait 10 minutes and don't worry about the air bag. forget the ignition switch, its NOT your problem.
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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 19:47 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >about the air bag. >forget the ignition switch, its NOT your problem. I trust your diagonsis being a retired locksmith, but I left it with Robert this morning... an hour's labor or so will be worth it to me not to hassle with that particular thing.
I do just about all my own stuff, I have a fully equipped shop didn't know about the lock/switch in conjunction with the airbag. Although the service manual had a section with jumpers or connectors to cross to disable the airbag. And in my "old age" I get dizzy upside down under the dash (if it would of been the switch). So on some things I just say screw it let someone else do this one. LOLOLOL
But I will have to detail it again from the dirt parking lot :-)
>retired locksmith >
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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 21:55 GMT I just called to see if it would be ready today and he said "Umm, there was a plastic horn contact broken and had to order the part from GM." ....... Translation: "I broke the plastic horn contact" ........... (cuz my horn always worked fine LOL) Betcha I get charged for it. :-)
Does the steering wheel have to come off to R&R the lock cylinder?!? seems weird to me....
Do you still insert a small rod somewhere around the lock cylinder to release it like we used to do on older cars?
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'Key - 29 Jul 2005 18:31 GMT >I just called to see if it would be ready today > and he said "Umm, there was a plastic horn contact broken [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (cuz my horn always worked fine LOL) > Betcha I get charged for it. :-) if it worked before ? I wouldn't pay..
> Does the steering wheel have to come off to R&R the lock > cylinder?!? > seems weird to me.... yes, thats probably how he broke horn contact ?
> Do you still insert a small rod somewhere around the lock > cylinder to > release it like we used to do on older cars? no, yours is held in by a set screw that has to be removed.
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'Key - 29 Jul 2005 18:26 GMT ---snip---
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Paul H. - 28 Jul 2005 20:51 GMT > I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable > Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies??? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Leo has a new big a.s shop with like 15 bays, clean as a pin > and he also has to pay for it.... LOLOLOLOL Cleanliness counts with me. When some guy drops a bolt, nut or washer on the floor, then picks it up...
In a prior life, I relied on Pensacola Buggy Works (Chevy dealer one block off lower Palafox St.) They kept a clean shop, did good work and seemed like straight shooters. Twas a long time ago. They've probably moved.
Paul.
RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 20:55 GMT >> I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable >> Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies??? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Paul. LOL WOW I used to work there, I was the Asst. Service Manager there for a couple years when Pete Moore first bought it, '80-'82. The building was torn down a bunch of years ago.
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bruce graham - 10 Aug 2005 01:12 GMT why dont you take it to the dealer.......
RicSeyler - 10 Aug 2005 20:01 GMT Because I was a service manager at two dealerships in the 80s LOLOLOL
> why dont you take it to the dealer....... But even with a terrible group of line mechanics at the moment it would of been better than where I went. :-)
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'Key - 28 Jul 2005 18:16 GMT > Yesterday the friking ignition key wouldn't turn off (94 > ragtop) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > so I dropped it off at Robert Tau Automotive (saw him > listed in Vette Magazine 95 % chance its your lock cylinder. the ignition switch is located down by the firewall and could not hang up the show. there could be a problem beyond the lock cylinder but within the column?
> as recommended), and I'm sick of Leo @ Leo's Corvette > Center totally ripping me off. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > LOLOL He's just one of those guys, > you get mad at but can't stay mad at. :-) if what you are saying is true ? (watch out for a slander charge) don't understand why you would ever forgive him.
> Well...... Tau had dirt parking lot, ragged building and a > lot of other makes sitting around > (have fingers crossed). really doesn't apply.
> I got out the service manuals and then decided I didn't > want to risk a broken jaw from setting off > the dang airbag. your discribed problem will not set off the air-bag. believe it or not those are not easyto set off.
> LOLOL Gotta give the guy a chance I guess. I feel like a > abused wife that keeps > coming back with dang Leo. So I'll see how Robert > does..... LOLOLOLOL g'luck -- "Key"
Bones - 29 Jul 2005 02:46 GMT My '87 car had the same problem, I got the key out the first or second time it happened, but finally the lock kept it..
After you pull everything out of the way, cover, airbag, little delicate horn contact parts, etc. (I never did a '96 car, but I own a '95 so I know what you have) you can then use a wheel puller too remove the steering wheel in order to gain access to the lock, which must be changed, you will need a new key too, I think it comes with one. I did this operation on my '87 car and I broke something off the delicate horn contacts but was able to get by without replacement. You wouldn't want to put the same lock back in, even if you got the key out of it, it would just screw up again. Difficulty level on this job would be experienced only, some special tools needed. Oh, yeah, if the wheel goes back on EXACTLY like it was, go to church next Sunday.
RicSeyler - 29 Jul 2005 17:34 GMT Well Bones that made me feel better and feel worse LOL I'm glad it required some tools and experience in this exact procedure after handing it off. BUTTTT the steering wheel being put back on the exact same spot now has me worried. I'm soooo damn anal.
Hopefully he is thorough enough to maybe mark the shaft/wheel to get it back on the same "teeth" on the shaft. LOL If not I will have to do it in the garage. With the wheel being off recently I might be able to pull/wiggle it off without renting a puller, and also avoid cracking myself in the face with it. LOL Been there done that :-)
I can see it now, whacking myself in the face with the wheel when it lets go and then the airbag goes off whacking me in the face again.... shall I video it for the group?.. HAHAHAHA
> My '87 car had the same problem, I got the key out the first or >second time it happened, but finally the lock kept it.. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >next Sunday. >
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'Key - 29 Jul 2005 18:47 GMT > Well Bones that made me feel better and feel worse LOL > I'm glad it required some tools and experience in this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > shaft/wheel to get it back on > the same "teeth" on the shaft. LOL you should have no wories. there is a line up mark that has a flat spot. the wheel will not go back on but one way.
> If not I will have to do it in the garage. With the wheel > being off recently I might be able [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the airbag goes off whacking me in the face again.... > shall I video it for the group?.. HAHAHAHA when trying to pull the wheel by hand. always screw the nut back on just a little. that way, when it comes loose, the nut will keep it from breaking your face :-)
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>> My '87 car had the same problem, I got the key out the >> first or [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>go to church >>next Sunday. 'Key - 29 Jul 2005 18:40 GMT > My '87 car had the same problem, I got the key out the > first or [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > go to church > next Sunday. actually the lock can be repaired correctly and will hold up probably longer than a new one. I have seen fairly new locks do the same thing. what happens is the retainer that holds down the springs that are over the tumblers comes un-crimped, pops up and gets hung. a machine crimps down the retainers on at the factory. doing it by hand, one can do a better job of crimping.
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RicSeyler - 30 Jul 2005 21:33 GMT Even worse that I imagined..... BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL
They went joy riding and wrecked it!!! F**K Me!! I called on the second day and was told Robert has left for the weekend and was on a flight... rutroh.... OK went to pick it up and they had it parked in a dirt pile..... COVERED with dirt.... I mean it looked like it had been offroading or mud bogging!!!!!
Walked up to it and the front end is smashed up and the spoiled hanging........ Then the mechanic came out and tried to look surprised... I don't know what happened.... ARRRRGHHH
They had parts still laying on the drivers seat with a greasy bathtowel.. The drivers floor was full of dirt leaves sticks..... greasy hand prints all over the doors... the fuse panel still laying in the passenger seat.. I went OFF when the mechanic tried to play dumb.... I immediately saw bits of chipped off paint laying on the ground and a couple small broken bezel parts in front of it and noticed the spoiler had been ripped half off and dirt packed up into the radiator inlet..... and the front license plate area cover smashed in and the bumper cover all crushed, broken bezel on the parking light..
Then I turned the key on and sure enough there was 2.7 miles on the trip odometer, the radio was tuned to a station, the seat had been moved up and the rear view mirror had been lowered (the mechanic was smaller than me). When I dropped it off I had to pull the ECM fuse to shut down the engine and disconnected the battery, plus the radio was off... This resets the trip odometer, and clears all the radio stations and defaults the radio to the low end of the dial (with NO reception)...
Then the mechanic tried to snatch my keys out of the car...........
Bastards!!! I called the police and they came but has I figured since it was on private property they wouldn't even file a police report. I even asked the very curt cop if he would file that there are broken body parts and paint chips laying on the damn ground right in front of the car!! Nope he was kinda an a.s... I did get a "blue sheet" with a number on it from his partner. FWIW.
Called my insurance and reported it and called the credit card company to dispute the charges (they never had me sign anything, including the mandatory check boxes on the repair order OR EVEN the credit card slip... PLUS to add insult to injury they sure did charge me for the horn contact they broke..... $300.00 charge for a dang lock cylinder replacment. ARRGGHH
It's gotta be the HotRod Karma Gods displeased with me taking something I shoulda done myself to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered with it at the moment...
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Dad - 30 Jul 2005 22:04 GMT > Even worse that I imagined..... > BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered with > it at the moment... I hope you got lots of pictures and are ready to go see Judge Judy. Been there twice and if you go prepared you can kick their a.s. The operative word is be PREPARED and that means overly so and don't let up until you have them pounded into the ground. Document everything, have proof, paper, pictures , witnesses, tell the cop he is heading to court to testify, don't just raise a stink, sh.t on everyone and everything. Look into their background, see how they pay their bills, has the BBB been getting complaints, do they drink on their business site, anything that puts them in a bad light.
By the way one was a draw, (I got my money back), the other one they lost and I got damages and my money back.
Good luck, it helps,
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bad65 - 31 Jul 2005 01:20 GMT Ric,
Sorry to hear of your dilemma. You just described the nightmare of every guy who prefers to turn his own wrench. Unfortunately, modern auto design has taken that pleasure from us. Anymore, you need a degree in auto mechanics to change the friggin' oil. We all feel your pain.
If you have the way and the proof, I hope your able to shove a "blue wrench" up their A**.
Brian
> Even worse that I imagined..... > BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered with > it at the moment... Tom in Missouri - 31 Jul 2005 01:48 GMT I hope you had a camera. You probably didn't since who does, but go back and take pictures of EVERYTHING car, odometer, seat position, radio, damage, the work area, parts in the dirt, etc.
Is it in running shape, i.e., did they drive it back or tow it? Do they have their own wrecker or did they have it towed in. If so, you can find the tow company and then know where it was wrecked. This will make a difference, as if they wrecked it on the street, and didn't report it, well, Florida isn't too nice on that.
And most importantly, get a lawyer. The meanest, nastiest, one you can find, and preferably one that loves cars or drives an exotic.
> Even worse that I imagined..... > BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered > with it at the moment... RicSeyler - 02 Aug 2005 23:36 GMT It just flexed in the bumper cover and cracked the paint and the license plate delete insert will have to be replaced (cracked), along with all 3 sections of the spoiler. There is a chip in the hood and a chip in the windshield where apparently a rock skipped off the hood and hit the windshield.
Heck looking in the best light there were a few rock chips in the bumper cover from over the years so I guess that is something to look at, and the windshield had the 11 years of fine sandblasting from just being driven and a very faint wiper mark. I might have the body shop do the rear lower quarter panels while they have the car taped off and the gun out. There are a few chips on the lower quarters from over the years and faint staining from running 315's on the back.
But I'll tell ya living in Florida with the intense sun the white color was the way to go. If it would of been Red like I was looking for when purchased, it would be Pink right now, no matter how well it was kept waxed. :-) The white held up remarkably well.
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CardsFan - 31 Jul 2005 05:25 GMT > Even worse that I imagined..... > BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered with > it at the moment... I can only add my sympathy to the suggestions above. Go after those SOBs with the law and back it up with a pitchfork. Every single cent that it costs you to put the car back in the condition it was before they damaged it should come out of their pockets, along with compensation for your time and trouble.
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sbright - 31 Jul 2005 15:52 GMT Unreal. I thought you were kidding! They need to buy you a new car.. Unfortunately in my experience, cars just don't go back together the same after they were wrecked. I feel your pain. Good luck. I'd be curious to know though if the cop had any connection to this shop. (Friend, relative, etc)
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>> Even worse that I imagined..... >> BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > AJM > '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp Greg - 01 Aug 2005 23:53 GMT sorry for you loss and i know that you feel like loading up the 12 Gauge but don't do it!. it is a.sholes like that who give my profession a very bad name. Greg at Greg's Garage
>Even worse that I imagined..... >BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] >to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered >with it at the moment... RicSeyler - 02 Aug 2005 19:50 GMT LOL Thanks Greg!!
>sorry for you loss and i know that you feel like loading up the 12 >Gauge but don't do it!. it is a.sholes like that who give my [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > >
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Bones - 01 Aug 2005 02:52 GMT Ric, are you a professional victim? Dont' answer that please, I'm sorry for your bad luck. You do need to talk with an attorney, you will probably find out that you can sue for damages which may include your insurance deductible, the cost of a NICE rental car, and loss of "some value" of your Vette depending on how bad it is damaged.
Take pictures of your car right now, I mean right now, go buy a camera if you must. Do it tonight if you have to. Get the damages documented before it is moved, washed, glued, fiberglassed, or painted - and get a shot of the odometer before it is reset. Don't fool around arguing with the mechanics or owner of the shop, document your damages FIRST, then let him know NOT to touch the car as you are meeting with your insurance company and your lawyer right away. GET the KEY and KEEP IT. DO NOT tell the guy who owns the shop that he is going to fix your car, don't waste your breath on him. You do not want him to do anything to your car. At least until you speak with your insurance company and your attorney.
The owner of the shop may just come right out and tell you to contact his insurance agent and he will pay for all repairs at the shop of your choice. There maybe no argument at all. Just a headache. I hope it works out OK.
Recall what I said above, it's all about damages, that's what you can sue for, damages, rental car, loss of use, loss of value, etc. You have to have damages or there is no good reason to sue.
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RicSeyler - 02 Aug 2005 19:40 GMT Hopefully my insurance adjuster (USAA) will be by today to check out the car. I haven't heard anything from Robert Tau (that is a crummy move to me), so I'll probably have to take him to civil court for the deductible. I don't think USAA will go after him for the deductible. I think that's the way it works.... I've seen many Judge Judy and Marylin where people are suing for deductibles.
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Unquestionably Confused - 02 Aug 2005 20:35 GMT on 8/2/2005 1:40 PM RicSeyler said the following:
> Hopefully my insurance adjuster (USAA) will be by today > to check out the car. I haven't heard anything from Robert Tau > (that is a crummy move to me), so I'll probably have to take him to civil > court for the deductible. I don't think USAA will go after him for the > deductible. They won't be going after him for the deductible but if yours is like any of the insurance companies that I deal with, they damn sure will go after him for the amount it costs them to make your car right.
It's called subrogation rights. The carrier, by reimbursing you or paying for the damages to your insured property, assumes the same rights that you have to go after the person who caused them.
Hopefully, USAA will return your 'Vette to the condition it was in before Tau attempted to Tautal it<g> and go after them for their money.
Bones - 02 Aug 2005 21:53 GMT Ric, did you ever determine exactly what happened to your car after you dropped it off at Tau Automotive?
RicSeyler - 02 Aug 2005 22:09 GMT I just got a call from the owner, and at first he completely denied that the car was ever off the lot... (He was out of town the day I picked up the car) Then when I confronted him with the facts that the trip odometer had 2.7 miles on it and the radio was tuned to a station (after the battery was disconnected) without realizing what he was saying he immediately came back with "We test drive all cars"..............
I think he's just covering for the smartass mechanic... Plus I can see him not coming outright and admitting anything in a legal stance, but not a moral stance. So no I never got an explanation from him. But what happened while the boss was away the mechanic went joy riding, guess he couldn't resist trying the RipperShifter and seeing how the other parts on the engine and on the vehicle , ran. He ran the crap out of it and wrecked it. Maybe he spun out doing a burnout and hit something along the road.... arrrrgh..
Where it stands now, I am waiting for my adjuster then I will call him with what my adjuster says.... He offered to toss my paid bill of $305.00. My deductible is $250.00 but I said no, not at this point till I talk to my adjuster. I also told him I contacted my credit card company to dispute the charges. He said you don't want to pay us for the job? And I said I absolutely do not want to skip out on legit charges you worked for but I ain't paying for a $35.00 horn contact your mechanic broke...
(to me it's kinda bad Karma to try and not pay them for any of their work, even with the ridiculous crap of wrecking it and leaving grease and dirt and parts laying inside everywhere) Am I a sap? LOL
> Ric, did you ever determine exactly what happened to your car after >you dropped it off at Tau Automotive? > >
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Bones - 03 Aug 2005 01:04 GMT Ric, Sounds like it might work out. Be cordial next time you speak to him. He might pick up your 250 deductible and tear up your bill AND apologize if you go away, that is, go away happy. Then you could just chaulk it up to a bad experience.
You know, you could get into a big deal where your lawyer can depose his mechanics and staff, depose him, find out who was driving or lying about who was driving, all of that testimony would just make a jury mad as hell. When I was working for a car dealer many years ago we were told from day one, never, ever, let a customer take us to court because there was NO WAY we could win. You could discuss this with an attorney for free. You should do that. Who knows, a sharp attorney may demand 2 or 3 grand in punitive damages for beach of duty or something or other. The Bone
Charlie - 03 Aug 2005 02:06 GMT Screw the deductible, this should not be on Ric's insurance at all. Ric should go in and ask for his insurance information and let them pay for it without any mark on his record. Then he should tell them to cancel all charges and fire the person responsible.
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Ric, Sounds like it might work out. Be cordial next time you speak to him. He might pick up your 250 deductible and tear up your bill AND apologize if you go away, that is, go away happy. Then you could just chaulk it up to a bad experience.
You know, you could get into a big deal where your lawyer can depose his mechanics and staff, depose him, find out who was driving or lying about who was driving, all of that testimony would just make a jury mad as hell. When I was working for a car dealer many years ago we were told from day one, never, ever, let a customer take us to court because there was NO WAY we could win. You could discuss this with an attorney for free. You should do that. Who knows, a sharp attorney may demand 2 or 3 grand in punitive damages for beach of duty or something or other. The Bone
Tom in Missouri - 03 Aug 2005 04:57 GMT Agreed. It happened on THEIR watch, not yours. They are responsible for the car from the time they take it, regardless of the form and signature. It is a thing called negligence and that pretty well nulls out everything else. If they act responsible, and something happens (jet crashes on building, hurricane rips through) then it is your problem. If they leave it outside in the dark with the windows rolled down and someone steals it, that is negligence and they are responsible.
If you haven't talked to a lawyer yet, RUN to the phone at 9 am and start calling and talking to some.
Would you have bought this car if it had been wrecked? Probably not, and now it is. It will go to a repair shop, not a restoration shop, so it will be fixed, not restored, and that is a big difference. You'll probably sell within 6 months or gripe every other day for the next 5 years if you don't sell.
> Screw the deductible, this should not be on Ric's insurance at all. Ric > should go in and ask for his insurance information and let them pay for it [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > something or other. > The Bone Charlie - 03 Aug 2005 05:10 GMT I have to disagree with your last statement. From what's been said, it seems that it's almost all cosmetic. The front spoiler get worn. ripped, etc... and replaced on Vette's all the time. The front nose will be fixed better than it was prior to the wreck, it already had nicks and dings.
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Agreed. It happened on THEIR watch, not yours. They are responsible for the car from the time they take it, regardless of the form and signature. It is a thing called negligence and that pretty well nulls out everything else. If they act responsible, and something happens (jet crashes on building, hurricane rips through) then it is your problem. If they leave it outside in the dark with the windows rolled down and someone steals it, that is negligence and they are responsible.
If you haven't talked to a lawyer yet, RUN to the phone at 9 am and start calling and talking to some.
Would you have bought this car if it had been wrecked? Probably not, and now it is. It will go to a repair shop, not a restoration shop, so it will be fixed, not restored, and that is a big difference. You'll probably sell within 6 months or gripe every other day for the next 5 years if you don't sell.
Pete - 03 Aug 2005 05:39 GMT There's also an actionable tort called "conversion," essentially unauthroized use of someone else's property short of theft. Sounds like the gentleman has a cause for action.
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RicSeyler - 03 Aug 2005 17:05 GMT I could be in the power seat for sure.... They never had me sign the Call For Estimate etc Check Box Section of the Repair Order, no sig from me at all, AND they didn't even have me sign the credit card slip either!!
I'm going to talk to my adjuster and let him see the car before deciding what way to go with it.
And yes it's all cosmetic. It won't effect the value of the car at all. Unless the body shop completely screws up. uggggghhh................... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
>Agreed. It happened on THEIR watch, not yours. They are responsible for >the car from the time they take it, regardless of the form and signature. [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > >
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RicSeyler - 09 Aug 2005 16:14 GMT Got the estimate from USAA yesterday, $1500.00. Refinish the clamshell, refinish the bumper cover, replace the licenseplate insert panel, replace all three spoiler sections, replace the windshield.
I'm going to get the bodyshop I choose to do the rear lower quarters and the rocker panels also while everything is out and mixed.
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