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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 16:36 GMT
Yesterday the friking ignition key wouldn't turn off (94 ragtop)
had to pull a fuse to kill the engine then dropped the NEG bat cable.

I don't know if it's the lock cylinder or the ignition switch that's hanging
so I dropped it off at Robert Tau Automotive (saw him listed in Vette
Magazine
as recommended), and I'm sick of Leo @ Leo's Corvette Center totally
ripping me off.
You can tell Leo when dropping off your car "Now Leo, I know what this
job pays so don't
rip me off", and he will anyway and sweet talk you.... LOLOL He's just
one of those guys,
you get mad at but can't stay mad at. :-)
Well...... Tau had dirt parking lot, ragged building and a lot of other
makes sitting around
(have fingers crossed).

I got out the service manuals and then decided I didn't want to risk a
broken jaw from setting off
the dang airbag. LOLOL Gotta give the guy a chance I guess. I feel like
a abused wife that keeps
coming back with dang Leo. So I'll see how Robert does..... LOLOLOLOL

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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 16:42 GMT
I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable
Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies???

I was wiping the dirt off the sidewalls waiting on him to fill
out the repair order. LOLOL

A ragged shop (Tau) isn't always a sign of less than work quality, though..

Leo has a new big a.s shop with like 15 bays, clean as a pin
and he also has to pay for it.... LOLOLOLOL

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'Key - 28 Jul 2005 18:20 GMT
> I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable
> Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies???

you could visit a local Locksmith with a key/lock problem.

> I was wiping the dirt off the sidewalls waiting on him to
> fill
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> pin
> and he also has to pay for it.... LOLOLOLOL

you said he was ripping you off.
how many times must you get ripped off before you wake up ?
:-)
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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 19:14 GMT
>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>how many times must you get ripped off before you wake up ?
>:-)

You have to chew him out and shame him into pricing things properly. LOLOL
And I didn't take it to him this time. :-)

I was just worried about setting off the airbag and didn't want to crawl
all under the dash
incase it was the ignition switch at the bottom of the column.

>--
>"Key"
>
>  

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'Key - 28 Jul 2005 19:40 GMT
>>>I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable
>>>Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies???
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> incase it was the ignition switch at the bottom of the
> column.

again,
visit a local Locksmith with a key/lock problem.
if you just have to mess with it yourself?
(wouldn't advise without proper knowledge and tools)
disconnect the battery / wait 10 minutes and don't worry
about the air bag.
forget the ignition switch, its NOT your problem.

retired locksmith
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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 19:47 GMT
>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>about the air bag.
>forget the ignition switch, its NOT your problem.

I trust your diagonsis being a retired locksmith, but I left it with
Robert this morning...
an hour's labor or so will be worth it to me not to hassle with that
particular thing.

I do just about all my own stuff, I have a fully equipped shop didn't
know about
the lock/switch in conjunction with the airbag. Although the service
manual had a
section with jumpers or connectors to cross to disable the airbag.
And in my "old age" I get dizzy upside down under the dash (if it would
of been
the switch). So on some things I just say screw it let someone else do
this one. LOLOLOL

But I will have to detail it again from the dirt parking lot  :-)

>retired locksmith
>  

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RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 21:55 GMT
I just called to see if it would be ready today
and he said "Umm, there was a plastic horn contact broken and had to order
the part from GM." .......
Translation: "I broke the plastic horn contact" ...........
(cuz my horn always worked fine LOL)
Betcha I get charged for it. :-)

Does the steering wheel have to come off to R&R the lock cylinder?!?
seems weird to me....

Do you still insert a small rod somewhere around the lock cylinder to
release it like we used to do on older cars?

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'Key - 29 Jul 2005 18:31 GMT
>I just called to see if it would be ready today
> and he said "Umm, there was a plastic horn contact broken
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> (cuz my horn always worked fine LOL)
> Betcha I get charged for it. :-)

if it worked before ?
I wouldn't pay..

> Does the steering wheel have to come off to R&R the lock
> cylinder?!?
> seems weird to me....

yes,
thats probably how he broke horn contact ?

> Do you still insert a small rod somewhere around the lock
> cylinder to
> release it like we used to do on older cars?

no,
yours is  held in by a set screw that has to be removed.

---"Key"
'Key - 29 Jul 2005 18:26 GMT
---snip---

g'luck..

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Paul H. - 28 Jul 2005 20:51 GMT
> I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable
> Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies???
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Leo has a new big a.s shop with like 15 bays, clean as a pin
> and he also has to pay for it.... LOLOLOLOL

Cleanliness counts with me.  When some guy drops a bolt, nut or washer
on the floor, then picks it up...

In a prior life, I relied on Pensacola Buggy Works (Chevy dealer one
block off lower Palafox St.)  They kept a clean shop, did good work and
seemed like straight shooters.  Twas a long time ago.  They've probably
moved.

Paul.
RicSeyler - 28 Jul 2005 20:55 GMT
>> I'm in the Pensacola FL area, anyone know if a reputable
>> Vette shop in the area, that will pamper our babies???
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Paul.

LOL WOW I used to work there, I was the Asst. Service Manager there for
a couple years
when Pete Moore first bought it, '80-'82. The building was torn down a
bunch of years ago.

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bruce graham - 10 Aug 2005 01:12 GMT
  why dont you take it to the dealer.......
RicSeyler - 10 Aug 2005 20:01 GMT
Because I was a service manager at two dealerships in the 80s  LOLOLOL

>   why dont you take it to the dealer.......

But even with a terrible group of line mechanics at the moment it
would of been better than where I went. :-)

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'Key - 28 Jul 2005 18:16 GMT
> Yesterday the friking ignition key wouldn't turn off (94
> ragtop)
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> so I dropped it off at Robert Tau Automotive (saw him
> listed in Vette Magazine

95 % chance its your lock cylinder.
the ignition switch is located down by the firewall and
could not hang up the show.
there could be a problem beyond the lock cylinder but within
the column?

> as recommended), and I'm sick of Leo @ Leo's Corvette
> Center totally ripping me off.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> LOLOL He's just one of those guys,
> you get mad at but can't stay mad at. :-)

if what you are saying is true ?
(watch out for a slander charge)
don't understand why you would ever forgive him.

> Well...... Tau had dirt parking lot, ragged building and a
> lot of other makes sitting around
> (have fingers crossed).

really doesn't apply.

> I got out the service manuals and then decided I didn't
> want to risk a broken jaw from setting off
> the dang airbag.

your discribed problem will not set off the air-bag. believe
it or not those are not easyto set off.

> LOLOL Gotta give the guy a chance I guess. I feel like a
> abused wife that keeps
> coming back with dang Leo. So I'll see how Robert
> does..... LOLOLOLOL

g'luck
--
"Key"
Bones - 29 Jul 2005 02:46 GMT
My '87 car had the same problem, I got the key out the first or
second time it happened, but finally the lock kept it..

 After you pull everything out of the way, cover, airbag, little
delicate horn contact parts, etc. (I never did a '96 car, but I own a
'95 so I know what you have)   you can then use a wheel puller too
remove the steering wheel in order to gain access to the lock, which
must be changed, you will need a new key too, I think it comes with
one.   I did this operation on my '87 car and I broke something off
the delicate horn contacts but was able to get by without replacement.
You wouldn't want to put the same lock back in, even if you got the
key out of it, it would just screw up again.  Difficulty level on this
job would be experienced only, some special tools needed.
Oh, yeah, if the wheel goes back on EXACTLY like it was, go to church
next Sunday.
RicSeyler - 29 Jul 2005 17:34 GMT
Well Bones that made me feel better and feel worse LOL
I'm glad it required some tools and experience in this exact procedure
after handing it off. BUTTTT the steering wheel being put back on the
exact same
spot now has me worried. I'm soooo damn anal.

Hopefully he is thorough enough to maybe mark the shaft/wheel to get it
back on
the same "teeth" on the shaft. LOL
If not I will have to do it in the garage. With the wheel being off
recently I might be able
to pull/wiggle it off without renting a puller, and also avoid cracking
myself in the face
with it. LOL Been there done that :-)

I can see it now, whacking myself in the face with the wheel when it
lets go and then
the airbag goes off whacking me in the face again.... shall I video it
for the group?.. HAHAHAHA

> My '87 car had the same problem, I got the key out the first or
>second time it happened, but finally the lock kept it..
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>next Sunday.
>  

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'Key - 29 Jul 2005 18:47 GMT
> Well Bones that made me feel better and feel worse LOL
> I'm glad it required some tools and experience in this
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> shaft/wheel to get it back on
> the same "teeth" on the shaft. LOL

you should have no wories.
there is a line up mark that has a flat spot.
the wheel will not go back on but one way.

> If not I will have to do it in the garage. With the wheel
> being off recently I might be able
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the airbag goes off whacking me in the face again....
> shall I video it for the group?.. HAHAHAHA

when trying to pull the wheel by hand.
always screw the nut back on just a little.
that way, when it comes loose, the nut will keep it from
breaking your face :-)

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>> My '87 car had the same problem, I got the key out the
>> first or
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>go to church
>>next Sunday.
'Key - 29 Jul 2005 18:40 GMT
> My '87 car had the same problem, I got the key out the
> first or
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> go to church
> next Sunday.

actually the lock can be repaired correctly and will hold up
probably longer than a new one.
I have seen fairly new locks do the same thing. what happens
is the retainer that holds down the springs that are over
the tumblers comes un-crimped, pops up and gets hung.
a machine crimps down the retainers on at the factory.
doing it by hand, one can do a better job of crimping.

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RicSeyler - 30 Jul 2005 21:33 GMT
Even worse that I imagined.....
BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL

They went joy riding and wrecked it!!! F**K Me!!
I called on the second day and was told Robert has left for the
weekend and was on a flight... rutroh.... OK went to pick it up
and they had it parked in a dirt pile..... COVERED with dirt....
I mean it looked like it had been offroading or mud bogging!!!!!

Walked up to it and the front end is smashed up and the spoiled
hanging........
Then the mechanic came out and tried to look surprised... I don't know
what happened....
ARRRRGHHH

They had parts still laying on the drivers seat with a greasy
bathtowel.. The drivers floor
was full of dirt leaves sticks..... greasy hand prints all over the
doors... the fuse panel still laying
in the passenger seat.. I went OFF when the mechanic tried to play
dumb.... I immediately
saw bits of chipped off paint laying on the ground and a couple small
broken bezel parts
in front of it and noticed the spoiler had been ripped half off and dirt
packed up into the radiator inlet.....
and the front license plate area cover smashed in and the bumper cover
all crushed, broken bezel
on the parking light..

Then I turned the key on and sure enough there was 2.7 miles on the trip
odometer, the radio
was tuned to a station, the seat had been moved up and the rear view
mirror had been lowered
(the mechanic was smaller than me). When I dropped it off I had to pull
the ECM fuse to shut down
the engine and disconnected the battery, plus the radio was off... This
resets the trip odometer, and
clears all the radio stations and defaults the radio to the low end of
the dial (with NO reception)...

Then the mechanic tried to snatch my keys out of the car...........

Bastards!!! I called the police and they came but has I figured since it
was on private property
they wouldn't even file a police report. I even asked the very curt cop
if he would file that there
are broken body parts and paint chips laying on the damn ground right in
front of the car!! Nope
he was kinda an a.s... I did get a "blue sheet" with a number on it from
his partner. FWIW.

Called my insurance and reported it and called the credit card company
to dispute the charges
(they never had me sign anything, including the mandatory check boxes on
the repair order
OR EVEN the credit card slip... PLUS to add insult to injury they sure
did charge me for the horn contact
they broke..... $300.00 charge for a dang lock cylinder replacment. ARRGGHH

It's gotta be the HotRod Karma Gods displeased with me taking something
I shoulda done myself
to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered
with it at the moment...

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Dad - 30 Jul 2005 22:04 GMT
> Even worse that I imagined.....
> BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered with
> it at the moment...

I hope you got lots of pictures and are ready to go see Judge Judy. Been
there twice and if you go prepared you can kick their a.s. The operative
word is be PREPARED and that means overly so and don't let up until you have
them pounded into the ground. Document everything, have proof, paper,
pictures , witnesses, tell the cop he is heading to court to testify, don't
just raise a stink, sh.t on everyone and everything. Look into their
background, see how they pay their bills, has the BBB been getting
complaints, do they drink on their business site, anything that puts them in
a bad light.

By the way one was a draw, (I got my money back), the other one they lost
and I got damages and my money back.

Good luck, it helps,

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bad65 - 31 Jul 2005 01:20 GMT
Ric,

Sorry to hear of your dilemma.  You just described the nightmare of every
guy who prefers to turn his own wrench.  Unfortunately, modern auto design
has taken that pleasure from us.  Anymore, you need a degree in auto
mechanics to  change the friggin' oil.  We all feel your pain.

If you have the way and the proof, I hope your able to shove a "blue wrench"
up their A**.

Brian

> Even worse that I imagined.....
> BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered with
> it at the moment...
Tom in Missouri - 31 Jul 2005 01:48 GMT
I hope you had a camera.  You probably didn't since who does, but go back
and take pictures of EVERYTHING car, odometer, seat position, radio, damage,
the work area, parts in the dirt, etc.

Is it in running shape, i.e., did they drive it back or tow it?  Do they
have their own wrecker or did they have it towed in.  If so, you can find
the tow company and then know where it was wrecked.  This will make a
difference, as if they wrecked it on the street, and didn't report it, well,
Florida isn't too nice on that.

And most importantly, get a lawyer.  The meanest, nastiest, one you can
find, and preferably one that loves cars or drives an exotic.

> Even worse that I imagined.....
> BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
> to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered
> with it at the moment...
RicSeyler - 02 Aug 2005 23:36 GMT
It just flexed in the bumper cover and cracked the paint and the license
plate delete insert
will have to be replaced (cracked), along with all 3 sections of the
spoiler. There is a chip in the hood
and a chip in the windshield where apparently a rock skipped off the
hood and hit the windshield.

Heck looking in the best light there were a few rock chips in the bumper
cover from over the years
so I guess that is something to look at, and the windshield had the 11
years of fine sandblasting
from just being driven and a very faint wiper mark. I might have the
body shop do the rear lower
quarter panels while they have the car taped off and the gun out. There
are a few chips on the
lower quarters from over the years and faint staining from running 315's
on the back.

But I'll tell ya living in Florida with the intense sun the white color
was the way to go. If it
would of been Red like I was looking for when purchased, it would be
Pink right now, no
matter how well it was kept waxed. :-) The white held up remarkably well.

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CardsFan - 31 Jul 2005 05:25 GMT
> Even worse that I imagined.....
> BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
> to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered with
> it at the moment...

I can only add my sympathy to the suggestions above.  Go after those SOBs
with the law and back it up with a pitchfork.  Every single cent that it
costs you to put the car back in the condition it was before they damaged it
should come out of their pockets, along with compensation for your time and
trouble.

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp
sbright - 31 Jul 2005 15:52 GMT
Unreal.  I thought you were kidding!  They need to buy you a new car..
Unfortunately in my experience, cars just don't go back together the same
after they were wrecked.  I feel your pain.  Good luck.  I'd be curious to
know though if the cop had any connection to this shop.  (Friend, relative,
etc)

-Stan

>> Even worse that I imagined.....
>> BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
> AJM
> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp
Greg - 01 Aug 2005 23:53 GMT
sorry for you loss and i know that you feel like loading up the 12
Gauge but don't do it!. it is a.sholes like that who give my
profession a very bad name.  Greg at Greg's Garage

>Even worse that I imagined.....
>BEWARE ROBERT TAU AUTOMOTIVE, PENSACOLA FL
[quoted text clipped - 59 lines]
>to someone else to do......... cuz I just didn't want to be bothered
>with it at the moment...
RicSeyler - 02 Aug 2005 19:50 GMT
LOL Thanks Greg!!

>sorry for you loss and i know that you feel like loading up the 12
>Gauge but don't do it!. it is a.sholes like that who give my
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
>
>  

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Bones - 01 Aug 2005 02:52 GMT
Ric, are you a professional victim?  Dont' answer that please, I'm
sorry for your bad luck.  You do need to talk with an attorney, you
will probably find out that you can sue for damages which may include
your insurance deductible,  the cost of a NICE rental car, and loss of
"some value" of your Vette depending on how bad it is damaged.

Take pictures of your car right now, I mean right now,  go buy a
camera if you must.  Do it tonight if you have to.  Get the damages
documented before it is moved, washed, glued, fiberglassed, or painted
-  and get a shot of the odometer before it is reset.   Don't fool
around arguing   with the mechanics or owner of the shop, document
your damages FIRST, then let him know NOT to touch the car as you are
meeting with your insurance company and your lawyer right away.   GET
the KEY and KEEP IT.   DO NOT tell the guy who owns the shop that he
is going to fix your car, don't waste your breath on him.   You do not
want him to do anything to your car.    At least until you  speak with
your insurance company and your attorney.

The owner of the shop may just come right out and tell you to contact
his insurance agent and he will pay for all repairs at the shop of
your choice.   There maybe no argument at all.  Just a headache.
I hope it works out OK.

Recall what I said above, it's all about damages, that's what you can
sue for, damages, rental car, loss of use, loss of value,   etc.  You
have to have damages or there is no good  reason to sue.

Bones, Tallahassee
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'87 L98 coupe
RicSeyler - 02 Aug 2005 19:40 GMT
Hopefully my insurance adjuster (USAA) will be by today
to check out the car. I haven't heard anything from Robert Tau
(that is a crummy move to me), so I'll probably have to take him to civil
court for the deductible. I don't think USAA will go after him for the
deductible.
I think that's the way it works.... I've seen many Judge Judy and
Marylin where
people are suing for deductibles.

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Unquestionably Confused - 02 Aug 2005 20:35 GMT
on 8/2/2005 1:40 PM RicSeyler said the following:
> Hopefully my insurance adjuster (USAA) will be by today
> to check out the car. I haven't heard anything from Robert Tau
> (that is a crummy move to me), so I'll probably have to take him to civil
> court for the deductible. I don't think USAA will go after him for the
> deductible.

They won't be going after him for the deductible but if yours is like
any of the insurance companies that I deal with, they damn sure will go
after him for the amount it costs them to make your car right.

It's called subrogation rights.  The carrier, by reimbursing you or
paying for the damages to your insured property, assumes the same rights
that you have to go after the person who caused them.

Hopefully, USAA will return your 'Vette to the condition it was in
before Tau attempted to Tautal it<g> and go after them for their money.
Bones - 02 Aug 2005 21:53 GMT
Ric, did you ever determine exactly what happened to your car after
you dropped it off at Tau Automotive?  
RicSeyler - 02 Aug 2005 22:09 GMT
I just got a call from the owner, and at first he completely denied that
the car was ever off the lot...
(He was out of town the day I picked up the car)
Then when I confronted him with the facts that the trip odometer had 2.7
miles on it and the radio
was tuned to a station (after the battery was disconnected) without
realizing what he was saying
he immediately came back with "We test drive all cars"..............

I think he's just covering for the smartass mechanic... Plus I can see
him not coming outright
and admitting anything in a legal stance, but not a moral stance. So no
I never got an explanation
from him. But what happened while the boss was away the mechanic went
joy riding, guess he couldn't
resist trying the RipperShifter and seeing how the other parts on the
engine and on the vehicle , ran.
He ran the crap out of it and wrecked it. Maybe he spun out doing a
burnout and hit something along the road....
arrrrgh..

Where it stands now, I am waiting for my adjuster then I will call him
with what my adjuster says....
He offered to toss my paid bill of $305.00. My deductible is $250.00 but
I said no, not at this point
till I talk to my adjuster. I also told him I contacted my credit card
company to dispute the charges.
He said you don't want to pay us for the job? And I said I absolutely do
not want to skip out on
legit charges you worked for but I ain't paying for a $35.00 horn
contact your mechanic broke...

(to me it's kinda bad Karma to try and not pay them for any of their
work, even with the ridiculous
crap of wrecking it and leaving grease and dirt and parts laying inside
everywhere) Am I a sap? LOL

> Ric, did you ever determine exactly what happened to your car after
>you dropped it off at Tau Automotive?  
>
>  

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Bones - 03 Aug 2005 01:04 GMT
Ric,
Sounds like it might work out.  Be cordial next time you speak to him.
He might pick up your 250 deductible and tear up your bill AND
apologize  if you go away, that is,  go away happy.  Then you could
just chaulk it up to a bad experience.

You know, you could get into a big deal where your lawyer can  depose
his mechanics and staff, depose him, find out who was driving or lying
about who was driving, all of that testimony would just make a jury
mad as hell.  When I was working for a car dealer many years ago we
were told from day one, never, ever,  let a customer take us to court
because there was NO WAY we could win.  You could discuss this with an
attorney for free.  You should do that.  Who knows, a sharp attorney
may demand 2 or 3 grand in punitive damages for beach of duty or
something or other.  
The Bone
Charlie - 03 Aug 2005 02:06 GMT
Screw the deductible, this should not be on Ric's insurance at all.  Ric
should go in and ask for his insurance information and let them pay for it
without any mark on his record.  Then he should tell them to cancel all
charges and fire the person responsible.

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Ric,
Sounds like it might work out.  Be cordial next time you speak to him.
He might pick up your 250 deductible and tear up your bill AND
apologize  if you go away, that is,  go away happy.  Then you could
just chaulk it up to a bad experience.

You know, you could get into a big deal where your lawyer can  depose
his mechanics and staff, depose him, find out who was driving or lying
about who was driving, all of that testimony would just make a jury
mad as hell.  When I was working for a car dealer many years ago we
were told from day one, never, ever,  let a customer take us to court
because there was NO WAY we could win.  You could discuss this with an
attorney for free.  You should do that.  Who knows, a sharp attorney
may demand 2 or 3 grand in punitive damages for beach of duty or
something or other.
The Bone
Tom in Missouri - 03 Aug 2005 04:57 GMT
Agreed.  It happened on THEIR watch, not yours.  They are responsible for
the car from the time they take it, regardless of the form and signature.
It is a thing called negligence and that pretty well nulls out everything
else.  If they act responsible, and something happens (jet crashes on
building, hurricane rips through) then it is your problem.  If they leave it
outside in the dark with the windows rolled down and someone steals it, that
is negligence and they are responsible.

If you haven't talked to a lawyer yet, RUN to the phone at 9 am and start
calling and talking to some.

Would you have bought this car if it had been wrecked? Probably not, and now
it is.  It will go to a repair shop, not a restoration shop, so it will be
fixed, not restored, and that is a big difference.  You'll probably sell
within 6 months or gripe every other day for the next 5 years if you don't
sell.

> Screw the deductible, this should not be on Ric's insurance at all.  Ric
> should go in and ask for his insurance information and let them pay for it
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> something or other.
> The Bone
Charlie - 03 Aug 2005 05:10 GMT
I have to disagree with your last statement.  From what's been said, it
seems that it's almost all cosmetic.  The front spoiler get worn. ripped,
etc... and replaced on Vette's all the time.  The front nose will be fixed
better than it was prior to the wreck, it already had nicks and dings.

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Agreed.  It happened on THEIR watch, not yours.  They are responsible for
the car from the time they take it, regardless of the form and signature.
It is a thing called negligence and that pretty well nulls out everything
else.  If they act responsible, and something happens (jet crashes on
building, hurricane rips through) then it is your problem.  If they leave it
outside in the dark with the windows rolled down and someone steals it, that
is negligence and they are responsible.

If you haven't talked to a lawyer yet, RUN to the phone at 9 am and start
calling and talking to some.

Would you have bought this car if it had been wrecked? Probably not, and now
it is.  It will go to a repair shop, not a restoration shop, so it will be
fixed, not restored, and that is a big difference.  You'll probably sell
within 6 months or gripe every other day for the next 5 years if you don't
sell.
Pete - 03 Aug 2005 05:39 GMT
There's also an actionable tort called "conversion," essentially
unauthroized use of someone else's property short of theft. Sounds like
the gentleman has a cause for action.

-- Vandervecken
RicSeyler - 03 Aug 2005 17:05 GMT
I could be in the power seat for sure.... They never had me sign
the Call For Estimate etc Check Box Section of the Repair Order, no sig
from me at all, AND they didn't even have me sign the credit card slip
either!!

I'm going to talk to my adjuster and let him see the car before deciding
what way to go with it.

And yes it's all cosmetic. It won't effect the value of the car at all.
Unless the body shop
completely screws up. uggggghhh................... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

>Agreed.  It happened on THEIR watch, not yours.  They are responsible for
>the car from the time they take it, regardless of the form and signature.
[quoted text clipped - 43 lines]
>
>  

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RicSeyler - 09 Aug 2005 16:14 GMT
Got the estimate from USAA yesterday,
$1500.00.
Refinish the clamshell, refinish the bumper cover, replace
the licenseplate insert panel, replace all three spoiler sections, replace
the windshield.

I'm going to get the bodyshop I choose to do the rear lower quarters
and the rocker panels also while everything is out and mixed.

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