Right. I assumed (I know..) that to qualify for being called drum brakes
with shoes, the system would have to have two opposing shoes squeezing out
against a drum.. This uses one.. like I said though I didn't look real hard.
By the way-- they did come with steel springs to install the pads.
-Stan
> Right. I assumed (I know..) that to qualify for being called drum brakes
> with shoes, the system would have to have two opposing shoes squeezing out
> against a drum.. This uses one.. like I said though I didn't look real
> hard. By the way-- they did come with steel springs to install the pads.
>
> -Stan
Actually uses two shoes, mounted on one "C" shaped retainer so both shoes
push out against the drum. In the 1998 service manual Volume 2, Item 2. of
the Park Brake Shoe Adjustment, in section 5-68 it says, "Tools required,
J21177-A, Drum to brake shoe clearance gage to check if the inner diameter
is within specifications." You might want to tell GM what you know, they
missed it. I have an extra service manual for sale if you need to know
anything else.

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sbright - 10 Aug 2005 17:01 GMT
Since you probably know, I'll ask in this thread.. if I were to replace my
stainless braided brake lines with regular stock (I have the ABS light on
and there is a TSB on this) will I need to bleed the ABS or can I get away
with bleeding the brakes regular? (Per the C5 requirements)
-Stan
>> Right. I assumed (I know..) that to qualify for being called drum brakes
>> with shoes, the system would have to have two opposing shoes squeezing
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> missed it. I have an extra service manual for sale if you need to know
> anything else.
Dad - 11 Aug 2005 04:18 GMT
> Since you probably know, I'll ask in this thread.. if I were to replace my
> stainless braided brake lines with regular stock (I have the ABS light on
> and there is a TSB on this) will I need to bleed the ABS or can I get away
> with bleeding the brakes regular? (Per the C5 requirements)
>
> -Stan
You're right, the answer is in the manual I have for sale, section 5-31 on
when and how to bleed the brakes. Strange you should ask about stainless
hoses, that TSB is well over a year old. Sorry to see that you had to suffer
with them that long or if you just put them on and found out the hard way.
Learned that from a racer (?) back in 2001.

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sbright - 11 Aug 2005 13:56 GMT
I guess it wasn't really suffering when the TCS doesn't kick in at the most
inopportune time...
The TSB didn't state if there were any codes thrown from these SS lines. It
would be nice to know before I go and replace them. I was thinking of a
ground wire to all four lines to see if that would solve the problem. I
might be doing that before I replace the lines back to stock. I bought the
car used and the guy I bought it from claimed it was the steering wheel
position sensor causing this. He felt it got hit when the headers went in.
-Stan
>> Since you probably know, I'll ask in this thread.. if I were to replace
>> my stainless braided brake lines with regular stock (I have the ABS light
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> suffer with them that long or if you just put them on and found out the
> hard way. Learned that from a racer (?) back in 2001.
Dad - 11 Aug 2005 15:37 GMT
>I guess it wasn't really suffering when the TCS doesn't kick in at the most
>inopportune time...
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>
> -Stan
The only informative statement made on the subject was that the stainless
steel lines "confused the wheel speed sensors". My thoughts are that it's
because they already are a ground wire, and it should have become general
knowledge if that worked by this time. Having worked on the development of
high pressure Teflon hoses for paint transfer those that were for brake
lines were not an option. That material has little memory, hence the
required braid to support it. Now if you look at the crimp it is severe to
get a hold of the slippery stuff. In other words it is compressed to the
point of yield when it is new. All of the paint hoses were supported at the
crimp with outside spring coils to restrict movement of the inter Teflon
liner so it wouldn't fail from movement and contaminate the paint.
Replacement was frequent and most went to stainless pipe to eliminate hoses
where possible, the hydraulic shock from normal use would break the Teflon
liner. That type of shock is not present in the braking system but the
flexing is there. They work but they wouldn't be on my car, the nano second
they might save is not worth it.

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sbright - 23 Aug 2005 13:53 GMT
I just bumped into this auction on ebay has a nice pic of what the part
looks like.
Not to mention a good deal if you need parking brake shoes:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7995291553
This is not my auction by the way..
-Stan
>> Right. I assumed (I know..) that to qualify for being called drum brakes
>> with shoes, the system would have to have two opposing shoes squeezing
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> missed it. I have an extra service manual for sale if you need to know
> anything else.
Dad - 23 Aug 2005 14:19 GMT
>I just bumped into this auction on ebay has a nice pic of what the part
>looks like.
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>> you know, they missed it. I have an extra service manual for sale if you
>> need to know anything else.
Looks just like the pictures in the manual shows them.
sbright - 24 Aug 2005 13:41 GMT
Maybe but in color plus you don't need to get up from the computer to dig
the manual out.
:-)
-Stan
>>I just bumped into this auction on ebay has a nice pic of what the part
>>looks like.
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>>>
> Looks just like the pictures in the manual shows them.
Dad - 25 Aug 2005 02:37 GMT
> Maybe but in color plus you don't need to get up from the computer to dig
> the manual out.
>
> :-)
> -Stan
Nether do I, it's in a CD that shows it very well, you should have one.

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