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Tom in Missouri - 28 Aug 2005 05:03 GMT
This is driving me nuts.  I grabbed my older Craftsman paint gun to primer a
couple of fenders to see how far off the bodywork was. The darn thing keeps
pulsing the primer out. I have taken it apart trying to find dirt or debris,
checked pressure, readjusted back and forth, and still it pulses the primer.

Air pressure is consistent when partial trigger for just air, but as soon as
the primer begins to flow, it is pulse, pulse, pulse.
Dad - 28 Aug 2005 05:29 GMT
> This is driving me nuts.  I grabbed my older Craftsman paint gun to primer
> a
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> as
> the primer begins to flow, it is pulse, pulse, pulse.

Not clean enough, go though it again, you got something in your air (siphon)
supply.

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Marty - 28 Aug 2005 05:43 GMT
>> the primer begins to flow, it is pulse, pulse, pulse.
>>
> Not clean enough, go though it again, you got something in your air
> (siphon) supply.

Check the needle packing and nozzle sealing surfaces also.
Tom in Missouri - 28 Aug 2005 05:47 GMT
Thanks, Dad,

I'll tear it apart again tomorrow and look again.  When I first picked it
out of the box, I ran some lacquer thinner through to be sure it was clean.
When it began pulsing, I pulled it apart and looked but can't find anything.
I managed to spray primer enough to see a seam that I shouldn't, and then
cleaned it again.  Still pulsing on the third container of lacquer thinner.

I guess I'll pull it completely apart to check it all again.

> > This is driving me nuts.  I grabbed my older Craftsman paint gun to primer
> > a
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> Not clean enough, go though it again, you got something in your air (siphon)
> supply.
Dad - 28 Aug 2005 16:06 GMT
Actually I didn't say that well, there are two things that make it sputter
like that. First is a restriction in the siphon tube that chokes out the
flow of material, especially primer. Second is the restriction of vacuum to
pull the material into the air stream, which can be the same as number one.
The effect is that it picks up material until it can't move it anymore and
then drops it and you get air only, then repeats itself. You might want to
check the pickup tube because some of the reconstituted lacquer thinner will
corroide the inside and restrict the material flow. You might need to fly
hone the corrosion trees out of the tube to free up the flow.

OMG, I'll never get over that sound, a P51 just went over my house at about
1,000 feet. I'm out of here, forgot about the fly in at the airport.
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> Thanks, Dad,
>
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> (siphon)
>> supply.
Vandervecken - 28 Aug 2005 16:41 GMT
Dad, you must be really close to me. I had a B-17 from the same event
fly right over my back yard. (It sounded pretty good, too, but I concede
nothing sounds as good as the Merlin.)

-- V (3.5 miles WNW Jabara)

> OMG, I'll never get over that sound, a P51 just went over my house at about
> 1,000 feet. I'm out of here, forgot about the fly in at the airport.
Dad - 29 Aug 2005 00:07 GMT
> Dad, you must be really close to me. I had a B-17 from the same event fly
> right over my back yard. (It sounded pretty good, too, but I concede
> nothing sounds as good as the Merlin.)
>
> -- V (3.5 miles WNW Jabara)

>> OMG, I'll never get over that sound, a P51 just went over my house at
>> about 1,000 feet. I'm out of here, forgot about the fly in at the
>> airport.

P51D, nice bird also some old trainers but the P51 stole the show, couldn't
get close to it. Doubt we are talking about the same fly in, I'm in NW Ohio,
(Home of the criminal governor Bob Taft), can see Michigan and smell
Indiana. Small fly in, town of 8,000. Flew in a P51C that had a jump seat
and he used it as a company plane in the early sixties, owner of Roto Finish
out of Kalamazoo Michigan. That is also the home of the Flying Zoo, now
called the Air Zoo, drug money (Upjohn), they have all of the Grumman cats,
and an F4U among other notable craft.

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Vandervecken - 29 Aug 2005 00:42 GMT
Ah - somehow I had the notion you were here in Kansas. Sorry. We're
having a similar flyin - lots of WW II warbirds - about 3 miles W of here.

-- V

>>Dad, you must be really close to me. I had a B-17 from the same event fly
>>right over my back yard. (It sounded pretty good, too, but I concede
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> called the Air Zoo, drug money (Upjohn), they have all of the Grumman cats,
> and an F4U among other notable craft.
RicSeyler - 30 Aug 2005 20:59 GMT
The "D" model is the badass version!!

>  
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m-halverson@raytheon.com - 06 Sep 2005 15:03 GMT
Dad flew both the C and D model.  He was partial to the C, according to
him the C was faster and slightly more manuverable since it was lighter.
Just his opinion.  I had the priviledge of getting up close to several Ds
over the years.  Awesome aircraft and the  whooshing (I can't describe it
any better - maybe the supercharger?) sound of the big Merlin at speed is
something you can never forget.
Dad - 06 Sep 2005 20:18 GMT
> Dad flew both the C and D model.  He was partial to the C, according to
> him the C was faster and slightly more manuverable since it was lighter.
> Just his opinion.  I had the priviledge of getting up close to several Ds
> over the years.  Awesome aircraft and the  whooshing (I can't describe it
> any better - maybe the supercharger?) sound of the big Merlin at speed is
> something you can never forget.

To clarify it wasn't this Dad that flew the C & D Mustang, the closest I
every got was a Navion. The C was only faster/more maneuverable at low
altitudes, then the D took over. The H put them both away but saw very
little combat because the jets took over. Tell your Dad thank you for all he
did if you can.

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not@home.now - 06 Sep 2005 22:06 GMT
well at least the Navion has a canopy, a little heavy, but almost
unbreakable structurally.

>> Dad flew both the C and D model.  He was partial to the C, according to
>> him the C was faster and slightly more manuverable since it was lighter.
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>little combat because the jets took over. Tell your Dad thank you for all he
>did if you can.
not@home.now - 06 Sep 2005 16:37 GMT
I was able to get a ride in a "d" model when I was very young, 13
years old, my father who was a CFII and ran a flying service. Pawnees
and agcats, plus some 150 and 172 to teach out of, had a friend who
had one and I got a ride, I remember how loud it was.
but I have always been very partial to the F-82, I guess it is the way
it looks.
I have always been intrigued by air craft engines, the hot water 12's
the big radials, the old rotary's, and especially the Bristol Sleeve
valve engines.
I wonder how many of the regulars (irregulars)  on this group fly? I
started when I was so little I had to sit on phone books to see out
and pillows behind me to reach the rudder pedals.

Greg, SEL, instrument, A&P and I doubt I will ever hit the 2000 hour
mark

On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:59:10 -0500, RicSeyler

>The "D" model is the badass version!!
>
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Vandervecken - 08 Sep 2005 05:22 GMT
Aviation's been in my blood since age three. Ex-Army helicopter pilot
(tac & VIP transport), pilot's license 31 years, SEL-instrument, own IFR
Cessna 150. Work as a Principal Engineer for Learjet & adore the
airplanes... we still build airplanes you can get the hotsies over.

My father flew in WW II, as did several uncles. One died in a B-17 in
the Pleoste raid, one flew P-51's in Europe, one told me he flew
"P-400's" in the Pacific theater. When I asked him WTF a P-400 was he
replied "That's a P-40 with a Zero on its tail!"

-- V
Dad - 08 Sep 2005 14:31 GMT
> Aviation's been in my blood since age three. Ex-Army helicopter pilot (tac
> & VIP transport), pilot's license 31 years, SEL-instrument, own IFR Cessna
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -- V

One of my all time favorite engineers I worked with had pictures taken out
of the bomb bay of a B17 as they finished dropping their load over Germany.
Other pictures were on take off and then the bad ones were they were getting
the hell shot out of them as they entered German air space and missioned out
twice. He still gets up at 5:30 and has completed his SS&S and to the
restaurant at 7:00 sharp. He has outlived his wife and 2 children. Sharp as
every and always a gentle man with all that he meets and works with. I
wonder some times if we would be more like him if we had spent time in an
airplane that had .03 aluminum armor to protect us while so many Germans
were using us for targets?

This man never met an enemy, always easy to talk with, helped when you
needed it, didn't when he knew you could do the job. Seldom talked of "The
War" but would answer any question you ask. Proud of what he did but never
bragged of the time he spent in combat. One of the few great Americans left
and a privilege to know.

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not@home.now - 08 Sep 2005 15:42 GMT
i hear that!

>> Aviation's been in my blood since age three. Ex-Army helicopter pilot (tac
>> & VIP transport), pilot's license 31 years, SEL-instrument, own IFR Cessna
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>bragged of the time he spent in combat. One of the few great Americans left
>and a privilege to know.
PJ - 08 Sep 2005 16:01 GMT
Does that put the Warhawk in a leadership position?

PJ

> i hear that!
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>>bragged of the time he spent in combat. One of the few great Americans left
>>and a privilege to know.
Tom in Missouri - 30 Aug 2005 05:24 GMT
Found the problem.  A few years ago, my partner in the warehouse we shared
used it to paint his race car.  He was getting some leaks and he wrapped
Teflon tape on some of the joints. Worked ok, but apparently, some of the
old tape was hiding in the threads and when I put it all back together, some
of the threads of tape were pulling into the paint stream.

Couldn't see them when I cleaned it the first time.  I had to use a gun
cleaner to clean the threads to get them out.

> Actually I didn't say that well, there are two things that make it sputter
> like that. First is a restriction in the siphon tube that chokes out the
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
> > (siphon)
> >> supply.
 
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