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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / October 2005

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The Tone - 23 Oct 2005 14:31 GMT
I have a 2005 Le Mans Blue C6 beautiful car, the other day I noticed a
few surface scratches so I break out the old rubbing
compound.....(never do this) well needless to say it looks kinds bad,
it's really hard to describe, anyone have any suggestions on how to
buff or get out the nasty swirling mess i have made?
                thanks
benf802961@aol.com - 23 Oct 2005 15:37 GMT
I always thought rubbing compound was too harsh especially on a vette.
I would have chosen Zaino Z5 on it first.
The Tone - 23 Oct 2005 19:26 GMT
I agree, but your not helping me solve my problem........

>I always thought rubbing compound was too harsh especially on a vette.
>I would have chosen Zaino Z5 on it first.
Vandervecken - 23 Oct 2005 20:23 GMT
I'd attack it with a good grade of polishing compound, probably use two
or three successively finer grades to blend everything in just right. I
believe body shops have a handtool they use for hand-polishing small
regions smoothly and evenly, sort of like a sanding block with its firm
foam back, I'm not sure of its name but it'd be worth tracking one down.
I'd also try to polish as little as possible to preserve the clearcoat.

If you have a friendly local body shop they can give you good advice on
particular grades of polish. Or if you are uncertain just hire a good
body/paint shop to polish it out for you. The trick, of course, is
finding a good one.

Good luck.

-- V
ROBERT S AMP BA Drake - 23 Oct 2005 15:48 GMT
Try McQuires Scratch Off - a very fine polish.  It took a scratch left by an
eager valet getting my luggage out of the trunk.

>I have a 2005 Le Mans Blue C6 beautiful car, the other day I noticed a
> few surface scratches so I break out the old rubbing
> compound.....(never do this) well needless to say it looks kinds bad,
> it's really hard to describe, anyone have any suggestions on how to
> buff or get out the nasty swirling mess i have made?
>                 thanks
Dad - 23 Oct 2005 16:16 GMT
>I have a 2005 Le Mans Blue C6 beautiful car, the other day I noticed a
> few surface scratches so I break out the old rubbing
> compound.....(never do this) well needless to say it looks kinds bad,
> it's really hard to describe, anyone have any suggestions on how to
> buff or get out the nasty swirling mess i have made?
>                 thanks

Never do this? What do you think is done to polish paint now? First off any
halfway descent body man can and does polish paint without leaving visible
scratches. Besides being many different compounds for cutting down, buffing,
and polishing paint there are also many different pads. You also have
different buffing/polishing machines with the proper sized pads and speeds
available.

Now you still have to be able to determine whether the scratches can be
buffed/polished out. Then you need to know which pad and compound to start
with or if it can be done with just a finish polish combination. One item
that makes for a good polish is heat to get the surface to blend which is
sometimes hard to achieve by hand polishing. It can be done and if the
scratches were just a few small scratches they should have been easy to
remove by hand. My guess is that you used a grit size more suitable for
cutdown than it was for polishing paint.

Pick a reputable shop or dealer and ask them to correct the scratches and if
possible watch how and what it is done with, good thing to know if you need
to keep a few scratches from becoming a mess again.

So if you say "don't do this" it should be qualified with "if you don't know
what you're doing". Actually it's quite easy if you know the mechanics of
what you are attempting to do and what is available to do it with.
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'Key - 24 Oct 2005 00:51 GMT
>I have a 2005 Le Mans Blue C6 beautiful car, the other day
>I noticed a
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> buff or get out the nasty swirling mess i have made?
>                 thanks

like some others have stated.
See a Professional body shop...
you done screwed up once.
don't be stupid and screw this up too.

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The Tone - 24 Oct 2005 07:10 GMT
That's why I love coming to this newsgroup, everyone is so nice....and
there all experts because I know NO ONE HERE HAS EVER EVER SCREWED
ANYTHING UP.........now have they..........LOL
Thanks for the help!!!

>>I have a 2005 Le Mans Blue C6 beautiful car, the other day
>>I noticed a
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>you done screwed up once.
>don't be stupid and screw this up too.
BDragon - 24 Oct 2005 08:04 GMT
> That's why I love coming to this newsgroup, everyone is so nice....and
> there all experts because I know NO ONE HERE HAS EVER EVER SCREWED
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> >you done screwed up once.
> >don't be stupid and screw this up too.

I'm hesitant to respond, because I can't really interpret this last message.
I can't tell if you are serious, Tone, or if you are being sarcastic, but I
guess I'll find out.

First, since my stomach made a knot when I read your first request, I'll bet
your's was going whacko.  What a terrible feeling that must have been.

I suppose you can go to a shop as the safe and sure way of taking care of
this scratch problem, or you can try to learn some stuff from it and maybe
fix it or make it worse.  Depends on where your threshhold of risk taking
falls.

There are various grades of courseness in compounds.  Some times these are
called "cuts."  You can get a heavy cut compound (which it sounds like might
be what started this whole thing) and it is used for taking out big
problems, bird crap stains, pitch stains, overspray, and rough work.  But,
you only use that if and when your plan includes continuing by using a
medium cut and then a fine cut and maybe a safe cut compound.

If your area is not too large, you can probably do it by hand using clean
and soft buffing rags.  Truth be told, the scratches you might have created
using a deep cut compound can't be the end of the world.  I mean, how deep
do the scratches go?

If you have any practice with a buffer, this is probably a no brainer.  If
you don't have the practice, stick to the hand jive.

It's your car.  If you feel like taking a risk, minimal, I'd say, then work
it out on your own.  Take your time.  Go from a cut that removes anything up
to say a 400 scratch, and work it on down from there.

Clear coat is tough as hell, which is why cars have it as a top coat.  Don't
go through that, and I don't think you'll have much trouble.

If you do, well, don't say I said to do it.
Dad - 24 Oct 2005 15:48 GMT
> That's why I love coming to this newsgroup, everyone is so nice....and
> there all experts because I know NO ONE HERE HAS EVER EVER SCREWED
> ANYTHING UP.........now have they..........LOL
> Thanks for the help!!!

Lets see, you start of calling it dumb and want a news group to say you did
good and you didn't make a mistake? Polishing out scratches is a learning
experience like walking, riding a bike, and not eating the yellow snow. Even
with nearly 50 years of painting automobiles I still make a mistake buffing
a finish every now and then.

If I were really nice I would tell you that the "there" in your rant is
supposed to be "they're", or should it be "their"? Now I have to learn
something else, I knew I shouldn't have started this.

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The Tone - 26 Oct 2005 15:13 GMT
Relax Dad, It was just a simple question the requires a very
complicated answer and I appreciate all the answers and help, now
I think I feel better, I'm not being sarcastic, I just screwed up, I
admit it and I was just looking for some answers and again I really do
appreciate the help......

>> That's why I love coming to this newsgroup, everyone is so nice....and
>> there all experts because I know NO ONE HERE HAS EVER EVER SCREWED
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>supposed to be "they're", or should it be "their"? Now I have to learn
>something else, I knew I shouldn't have started this.
Tom in Missouri - 24 Oct 2005 15:54 GMT
It is a pretty tough group here.  They got that way from screwing up more
times than you can imagine. LOL  What is the saying about Experience
prevents stupid mistakes but you get experience from stupid mistakes?

Odds are you are going to have the scratches still visible, simply because
there isn't a lot to work with here.  We can't see how bad (or good) they
are and we can't see how bad you made it.  Had a new car about 6 years ago
that the dealer had to fix 4 days after getting it.  The tech set a box with
the new parts on the hood, apparently slid it over to the center so it
wouldn't fall off, and then worked inside the car to replacing the item.

Voila, scratched area about 10x10.  I threw a fit!!!  They ended up buffing
it out, however, it was always there if you looked for it and even if you
didn't, if the light was right, you saw it.  It was a dark green.

So it may go away and it may not.  Good luck on it if you do it and good
luck if you go with the professional shop route.  You might also go to an
automotive paint supply store and have someone there who is experienced in
this stuff (some are just counter help, some actually have done it)
recommend a buffing and polishing compound to remove it.  You may have to
buy several levels to take it out.

> That's why I love coming to this newsgroup, everyone is so nice....and
> there all experts because I know NO ONE HERE HAS EVER EVER SCREWED
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>>you done screwed up once.
>>don't be stupid and screw this up too.
Rob - 24 Oct 2005 20:54 GMT
>It is a pretty tough group here.  They got that way from screwing up more
>times than you can imagine. LOL  What is the saying about Experience
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>it out, however, it was always there if you looked for it and even if you
>didn't, if the light was right, you saw it.  It was a dark green.


Just curious Tom, was that a Corvette that got scratched?  Just
wondering if the dealers treat the vettes the same as the other cars
altho it shouldn't be done at all regardless of car model.
Tom in Missouri - 25 Oct 2005 05:45 GMT
No, it was a Corolla.  The only funny thing was when we got ready to trade
it, and I had the price set, they did their usual inspection and try to
change it again one last time.  So they pointed out the scratches on the
hood.

I told them, "fine, not a problem. Tell me how much the value is diminished
and put that in writing. Since your shop did it, and I have the work order
on it, I'm sure a lawyer can more than make up the difference so my trade
will be even better."

Amazing how fast they finished the order.

>>It is a pretty tough group here.  They got that way from screwing up more
>>times than you can imagine. LOL  What is the saying about Experience
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> wondering if the dealers treat the vettes the same as the other cars
> altho it shouldn't be done at all regardless of car model.
John H - 25 Oct 2005 14:38 GMT
|I have a 2005 Le Mans Blue C6 beautiful car, the other day I noticed a
| few surface scratches so I break out the old rubbing
| compound.....(never do this) well needless to say it looks kinds bad,
| it's really hard to describe, anyone have any suggestions on how to
| buff or get out the nasty swirling mess I have made?

When I put a bunch of fine scratches on the hood of my car (wrong kind of cleaning brush) I took it to a local detailer who polished
the whole car.  Looked better than new.  Still get comments about how nice my car finish looks ('93 torch red) and it's been almost
10 years since it was polished.  Cost then was about $200, but well worth it.
John
The Tone - 26 Oct 2005 15:19 GMT
Again guys I really do appreciate the help and the suggestions and if
I sounded a little short I do apologize I didn't mean to be, but I
messed up my paint and I kinda was looking for a quick fix realizing
there really is not one, but I think I will take it to a good
detailing shop and let them fix the problem it's not a large area but
the fact is it's a CORVETTE and a NEW ONE TO BOOT AND IT'S MINE
and that's what makes it tuff.........I can assure you gentelmen and
ladies of the corvette world... IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN...   
                   Thanks for your help.

>|I have a 2005 Le Mans Blue C6 beautiful car, the other day I noticed a
>| few surface scratches so I break out the old rubbing
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>10 years since it was polished.  Cost then was about $200, but well worth it.
>John
ZÿRiX - 26 Oct 2005 15:21 GMT
I want a NEW VETTE Mmmmmm C6 Z06 (Have to go change shorts)

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> Again guys I really do appreciate the help and the suggestions and if
> I sounded a little short I do apologize I didn't mean to be, but I
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>>it.
>>John
Dad - 26 Oct 2005 15:57 GMT
>I want a NEW VETTE Mmmmmm C6 Z06 (Have to go change shorts)

You would if you think your '98 is fast, just drive the plain ol C6 once,
yeahhhaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
Dad - 26 Oct 2005 16:20 GMT
Forgot one thing, do your rubbing  in a reciprocating, overlapping motion,
none of that circular stuff. Do it inline with body character or panel lines
while you're removing scratches.
StingRay - 26 Oct 2005 20:01 GMT
> Forgot one thing, do your rubbing  in a reciprocating, overlapping motion,
> none of that circular stuff. Do it inline with body character or panel
> lines while you're removing scratches.

Great advice Dad! I thought I was the only one who does it right. Even most
of the wax manufacturers say to "apply wax in circular motion", which is the
worst thing you can do, unless you consider swirls in your paint
aesthetically pleasing. ;-)
Dad - 26 Oct 2005 15:42 GMT
> Again guys I really do appreciate the help and the suggestions and if
> I sounded a little short I do apologize I didn't mean to be, but I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> ladies of the corvette world... IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN...
>                    Thanks for your help.

You're no fun, get back in there and fix it, you can do it. Get some very
fine POLISHING, as opposed to buffing, compound, (normally white), and soft
cotton cloth and have at it. You're going to have to work at it with a cloth
loaded with compound. Keep the surface wet (damp) with compound, it don't
polish much when it's dry. Do a little right in the middle of the mess with
the tip of your finger and the compound loaded cloth. No hard pressure just
brisk, you should rub fast enough to feel the heat. Then clean it off and
see if you are making progress. The process will actually take off some
clearcote but not much and also blend the surface. If you can get to that
point repost and I'll tell you how to hid (blend) the entire mess.

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'Key - 27 Oct 2005 03:49 GMT
> Again guys I really do appreciate the help and the
> suggestions and if
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> ladies of the corvette world... IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN...
>                    Thanks for your help.

just remember...
you pay to play,
and you get what you pay for....

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