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Question:  C6, Manual vs. Automatic

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LR - 13 Nov 2005 13:08 GMT
Ok, these may be a silly questions, but here it goes:

I'm looking at a new C6 and I'm debating between a six speed automatic and a
six speed manual.

My current Vette (an '80 that I'm keeping) is an automatic.  It's fun to
drive and the two that I've owned have been automatics.

The use will be mostly local/in town.

Last question: Another option is a new '05 with a 4 speed automatic.  Any
thoughts on this (vs an '06)?

Any thoughts/suggestions/recommendations?

Thanks.

LR
dave - 13 Nov 2005 14:01 GMT
You may find the manual a nice change after having automatics . Is y our
wife going to be driving it ? If so, she will most likely prefer an auto
-- take her along for a testdrive before you buy , if applicable.  If
youre driving is going to be anymore than , say,  75% in town...then id
be more inclined to choose the auto otherwise  youll be clutching a huge
amount of the time.  Its probably easier to resell an Automatic than a
manual , especially if the future buyer is married. Just some thoughts.
Dad - 13 Nov 2005 17:12 GMT
> Ok, these may be a silly questions, but here it goes:
>
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>
> LR
Unless you're going to run it at the track fairly often the standard shift
is not acceptable. Driving it in a parade is the pits, driving it in
stopped/slow moving traffic sucks, and most female counter parts hate it
when they have to drive. Even the 05 automatic has an excellent algorithm
for weekend racing and the new 6 speed automatic should be even better
although not worth $1200+.

The only reasons to have a standard 6 speed is because you want it or plan
to race, it don't make any body parts larger. It also has a non-lockout
reverse gate that you have to hit when you shut it down or it can "damage"
your cars battery. If there is any motion when you try to put it in reverse
it locks out the gate with a shot pin. Nothing to tell you that a hard right
and up didn't get you reverse but 5th gear. The electronic scolding you get
when you exit reminds you that your battery will be dead when you return.
After a year it is still unclear as to whether you're in reverse or not, so
I always let the clutch out a little to make sure, that's called unnecessary
clutch wear. It is the only thing about the C6 I don't like, got used to the
limited rear vision. The corvettes I've owned were '57 3sp, '58 4sp, '59
4sp, '61 4spd, '63 4sp, '64 auto, '72 4 sp, '92 auto, '97 auto, '04 auto,
'05 6 sp, and the last stick for me. Times change and the change in traffic
is the biggest negative for a stick plus the technology of the new
automatics is awesome. In those changing times my use of the Corvette went
from playing to traveling and the automatic fits that criteria better.

One last note, if you were to be involved in a collision and the engine is
killed you are locked in the car. By not pushing the button to shut the
engine off the doors remain locked. After a stunning collision I'm not sure
most of us think "I must push the engine off button to get me and my
passenger out of the car." That holds true for the emergency workers that
are trying to get your doors open if you are uncurious or dead.  This may be
true in key ignition switched cars also I just never thought about it. In
that case though you and your rescuer can see the key is in the run or off
position. You need to make your passengers aware that the emergency handle
may have to be used to get out of the car if you have an accident. Not a
small thing in my mind and should be utmost in the drivers responsibility to
make his passengers aware and safe.

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MT - 13 Nov 2005 23:05 GMT
Dad,

Nice list of vettes!

Which one, did you like the most and why?

>The corvettes I've owned were '57 3sp, '58 4sp, '59  4sp, '61 4spd, '63
>4sp, '64 auto, '72 4 sp, '92 auto, '97 auto, '04 auto, '05 6 sp, and the
>last stick for me. >
Dad - 13 Nov 2005 23:53 GMT
> Dad,
>
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>>4sp, '64 auto, '72 4 sp, '92 auto, '97 auto, '04 auto, '05 6 sp, and the
>>last stick for me. >

The '61, just liked the small block with duel 4's, it and the C6 I'm driving
are the same color combination to remind me of all the good times. Had it
when I got married, great woman, and we had our sons, great guys. Not so
much the car I guess, just a great time in my life, but if I could have any
of them back it would be the '61, the '72 is next.

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MT - 14 Nov 2005 23:24 GMT
I hear you Dad.

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> The '61, just liked the small block with duel 4's, it and the C6 I'm
> driving are the same color combination to remind me of all the good times.
> Had it when I got married, great woman, and we had our sons, great guys.
> Not so much the car I guess, just a great time in my life, but if I could
> have any of them back it would be the '61, the '72 is next.
sbright - 23 Nov 2005 11:55 GMT
> are trying to get your doors open if you are uncurious or dead.  This may
> be

Isn't that a crappy feeling when you have to get out of the car to see
exactly how bad you just wrecked it?
I'd probably be uncurious..or dead.

:-)
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Tom in Missouri - 23 Nov 2005 16:22 GMT
I hate all this "We have to protect you" crap they put on cars anymore.  My
FiL's car does the auto lock as soon as you put it in gear. Irritates me a
bit.  Then my wife's whole family has to lock the doors almost the second
they are in the car, like someone is going to run over and grab you.

And if they discover the doors are not locked while driving 60, they are in
a panic.  If you are going 60 and some guy can run along side and open your
doors, you have bigger things to worry about than if the doors are locked.
I bet peeling a locked door open isn't much problem to some guy who can run
60 or 70 mph.

> One last note, if you were to be involved in a collision and the engine is
> killed you are locked in the car. By not pushing the button to shut the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Not a small thing in my mind and should be utmost in the drivers
> responsibility to make his passengers aware and safe.
Vandervecken - 13 Nov 2005 17:46 GMT
I personally like the 6-speed even in town. Although the stick shift car
is clearly harder to drive in city traffic it's just not all that hard.
(But then I've driven sticks all my life.) Clutch effort is reasonable
and the stick is nice - if not the slickest I've driven - once it breaks
in. The short throws and fairly light effort help in traffic. The car's
touchy throttle does make a stick version difficult in very slow (crawl)
traffic.

I drove an '05 4-speed auto in town and liked it less than the stick.
It's an excellent auto but when you're used to the crisper response of
the stick, the auto just doesn't seem right in the Corvette. The *SNAP*
throttle response just wasn't there. YMMV.

Dad, my example of the 6-speed does not work as you describe. Maybe
there were some midyear changes? On mine there's no lockout or special
gate into reverse, you just move the shifter normally. (Of course I've
never attempted it with the car moving.) I've never missed either a 4-5
or a 6-5 shift. If you shut down the car and it's not in reverse the DIC
indicates 'SHIFT TO REVERSE' but there's no other scolding. At least as
I understand it, leaving the car parked not in reverse is roughly
analagous to leaving the ignition on, the battery will drain slowly and
eventually go dead. I know of nothing that could 'ruin' the battery but
perhaps I need to be enlightened here.

Note also that the '06 model uses more refined logic in this matter and
I am told it can be parked without being left in reverse.

-- V
   '05 F55 6-speed droptop black/black/cashmere
   "Happiness is four hunnert horsepower an' a stick shift"
Dad - 13 Nov 2005 19:52 GMT
>I personally like the 6-speed even in town. Although the stick shift car is
>clearly harder to drive in city traffic it's just not all that hard. (But
>then I've driven sticks all my life.) Clutch effort is reasonable and the
>stick is nice - if not the slickest I've driven - once it breaks in. The
>short throws and fairly light effort help in traffic. The car's touchy
>throttle does make a stick version difficult in very slow (crawl) traffic.

Works that way on my trips down south about 3 time a year. Most have at
least one and sometimes 4 dead stop accidents which take up to 2 hours of
crawl driving. Ever been through what we call Malfunction Junction on I75 in
Dayton Ohio, or Cincinnati? Listed close to the top for frequency of
accidents in the USA. I have to plan on hitting them at 1:00 to 4:00 in the
morning and then I run the risk of drunk drivers.
http://www.cincinnati.com/news/bridge/news_bridge_main21.html

> I drove an '05 4-speed auto in town and liked it less than the stick. It's
> an excellent auto but when you're used to the crisper response of the
> stick, the auto just doesn't seem right in the Corvette. The *SNAP*
> throttle response just wasn't there. YMMV.

Explain the difference between the "touchy throttle does make a stick
version difficult in very slow (crawl) traffic" and "*SNAP*  throttle
response", never mind, it don't exist with the auto.

> Dad, my example of the 6-speed does not work as you describe. Maybe there
> were some midyear changes?

Sorry you misunderstood, there is a special gate to reverse, as always, but
it is not defined as well as it has been in the past. It's just there, no
lever to lift or button to push to get to the gate, just find it like the
old VW. Just finding it some times is hampered by just a slight movement of
the car allowing the lockout to keep you from entering the reverse gate. I
give up on trying to put a car in reverse while moving forward with any
speed sometime back in the 50's. Not sure why you would suggest that.

>On mine there's no lockout or special gate into reverse, you just move the
>shifter normally. (Of course I've never attempted it with the car moving.)
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>drain slowly and eventually go dead. I know of nothing that could 'ruin'
>the battery but perhaps I need to be enlightened here.

Remember what the hang tag said? Also stated in most unread owners manuals.
My guess is that the numbnutz that set it up was making it like the
automatic being put in park everytime.

> Note also that the '06 model uses more refined logic in this matter and I
> am told it can be parked without being left in reverse.

Humm, now why would they change that? Maybe it has been a problem? I wonder
if that bit of logic can be reprogrammed so the "must be in reverse" bit of
nonsense can be eliminated.

> -- V

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Vandervecken - 13 Nov 2005 22:57 GMT
> Works that way on my trips down south about 3 time a year. ...

Traffic's lighter hereabouts. Stop-and-go is very rare and crawls on
major roads are uncommon. My long trips are through the Deep South and
traffic mostly moves smoothly on my favorite routes. And if something is
clogged up I detour instead of sitting there waiting.

> Explain the difference between the "touchy throttle does make a stick
> version difficult in very slow (crawl) traffic" and "*SNAP*  throttle
> response", never mind, it don't exist with the auto.

Well, I didn't state that too well, did I? My meaning as to crawl
traffic is clear. I also felt the auto just did not respond to throttle
as quickly and positively as did the stick. Yes, one leads to the other.
Just personally, I'd rather work on refining my touch on the fast pedal
than lose the *SNAP* response when I want it.

> Remember what the hang tag said? Also stated in most unread owners manuals.
> My guess is that the numbnutz that set it up was making it like the
> automatic being put in park everytime.

The hang tag, in my glovebox, says the same thing the manual said both
times I read it cover to cover. It [the manual] says if I goof "the
battery will drain and could be damaged" (page 2-20). Yes, a battery can
in theory be damaged by being drained flat. But this strikes me as a
typical warning worst-case overstatement. You're still just leaving the
ignition on.

> Humm, now why would they change that? Maybe it has been a problem?

They changed it because lots of people complained about it, of course.
Also perhaps because there's an insane amount of truly wacky
misinformation about it floating around that might be hurting sales.
That does not invalidate my personal opinion that it's okay for me - and
maybe 10,000 others who bought stick-shift C6's that year, every one of
whom accepted that design. Yes, I'd prefer it work otherwise. But to me
it's not a big deal.

-- V
Dad - 13 Nov 2005 23:44 GMT
>> Works that way on my trips down south about 3 time a year. ...
>
> Traffic's lighter hereabouts. Stop-and-go is very rare and crawls on major
> roads are uncommon. My long trips are through the Deep South and traffic
> mostly moves smoothly on my favorite routes. And if something is clogged
> up I detour instead of sitting there waiting.

OK if you get any warning and can turn around, I've got my share of one
finger waves when I go through the median. Also when I went another route I
was unlucky enough to hit another detour that put a bunch of cars out on an
unmarked detour in the mountains, lots of fun. Been making that run since
'88 and you can't out guess them all, you'll get stuck in traffic about once
every trip even though I run them at odd hours and never on holidays. Still
easier than the stick if you're driving an automatic.

>> Explain the difference between the "touchy throttle does make a stick
>> version difficult in very slow (crawl) traffic" and "*SNAP*  throttle
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> typical warning worst-case overstatement. You're still just leaving the
> ignition on.

Not the ignition, retained power.

>> Humm, now why would they change that? Maybe it has been a problem?
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -- V
Didn't read or hear many of the wacky accounts you refer to but do know it's
possible to get out of the car without it being in reverse and not get any
warning. It is then possible for anyone to get in, start it and drive it
away without the fob. Not a good thing by most accounts, and can't happen
with the auto. That item by its self killed some sales, seldom do I see GM
change things due to misinformation. It was odd to see the C5 drop in price
until the fob/reverse issue came up and then the C5 went up in price. At
that same time there were C6's on the lot under MSRP and the gouging
stopped.

Matters little, the question ask was stick or auto, my choice now after
having the stick would be to get the automatic. It's a good question now
that it is split about 50/50 although it may be lower because of the added
cost for the auto this year. Looks like the auto will be available soon in
the Z06 at about the right time to trade.

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Vandervecken - 14 Nov 2005 01:35 GMT
H'm, I never heard of a problem with anyone being able to drive the car
if it is left improperly. Thanks for the good steer there.

I thought the Retained Accessory Power turned itself off after a little
while... 15 to 20 minutes?

The stick/auto thing comes down to personal preference, and last I heard
a large majority of C6 buyers wanted the automatic shift. It's awfully
easy to get up on a soapbox when espousing strong personal preferences.
I realize lots of people, especially younger ones, don't share my
preference on the matter. Me, I'm the coot who'd ask 'Wuffo you wan' put
a slushbox in a perfeckly good Corvette?' Others will ask why I want
1940's technology in a 2005 car.

Whatever your mileage, enjoy your ride.

-- V
Dad - 14 Nov 2005 02:56 GMT
> H'm, I never heard of a problem with anyone being able to drive the car if
> it is left improperly. Thanks for the good steer there.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> in a perfeckly good Corvette?' Others will ask why I want 1940's
> technology in a 2005 car.

OR, hacum ya don't have no 4 barrel on that thing??

> Whatever your mileage, enjoy your ride.

Funny you should mention that, after I learned how to drive the 6 speed my
mileage went from 23 to 32.8 in one trip. The sixth gear is not just for
high speed cruising. Also was my first trip after disabling the 1 to 4
restraint.

> -- V
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Vandervecken - 14 Nov 2005 04:34 GMT
> OR, hacum ya don't have no 4 barrel on that thing??

I'm still saving for that and also for the drum brake upgrade.

(Ya gotta admit a big 4V on a V8 sure sounds fine when those secondaries
open....)

-- V
RS - 13 Nov 2005 18:55 GMT
^6 speed stick. always

unless
a. you're a fat slob and always eats and drinks while driving
b. You're a woman
c. You are missing limbs like a left foot or a right arm
d. you smoke a pipe while talking on the cell phone

on second thought get the auto. its obviously not an issue since thats
all you've owned and leave the real vettes to us.

RS
94  SIX SPEED Artic White

> Ok, these may be a silly questions, but here it goes:
>
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>
> LR
Dad - 13 Nov 2005 20:01 GMT
> ^6 speed stick. always
>
> unless
> a. you're a fat slob and always eats and drinks while driving
> b. You're a woman
> c. You are missing limbs like a left foot or a right arm

I know a wonman with no use of her right arm that autocrosses a 6sp
Corvette. She's only a little over weight. Is she a real vetter?

> d. you smoke a pipe while talking on the cell phone
>
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> RS
> 94  SIX SPEED Artic White

Ever hear the one about the porcupine and the Corvette?
Charles Spitzer - 14 Nov 2005 17:07 GMT
> ^6 speed stick. always
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>>
>> LR

both vettes and my truck are stick. when i tore my achilles tendon this
summer, i couldn't drive for 3 months. that's about the only time in 30
years i wish i had an automatic. my next car, of whatever type, will be an
auto.
Dennis Willson - 14 Nov 2005 00:22 GMT
> Ok, these may be a silly questions, but here it goes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> LR

Well I enjoy a stick more than an automatic. But for a car that is
driven everyday in traffic an automatic is more convienent. I find that
I'm less aggrevated when I get to work when I drive the automatic than
when I drive the stick. Not that I find the stick difficult or anthing
like that. It's just when I drive the stick I have more of a "I want to
be moving, lets go" attitude where with the automatic I'm a little more
laid back.

Maybe it's because so many if the race cars have been sticks (I did have
one automatic I did grudge racing with), I don't know for sure.

Dennis
Bob G. - 14 Nov 2005 19:47 GMT
>Ok, these may be a silly questions, but here it goes:
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
>LR

========================================
I am in my 60's and have bad knees and to be honest I have always
excluded automatics... PERIOD.... !  I now own 5 Corvettes and the oly
automatic is my 79 which my wife drives 90 percent of the time ...

HOWEVER  ..I am shoppng for a used C5 .and with the bad knees I now
will at least look at an automatic ...still prefer the 6 speed even
though I no longer race nor do I normally dirve in traffic .. someone
mentioned parades...LOL...NEVER   AGAIN  learned that 10-15 years
ago,...

My little broither has owned a 99 automatic since 1999 and its a damn
nice car BUT it is not that much fun to drive on the twisties... it is
fun to drive to the grocery store however....

To each his own... my daily driver is a 5 speed truck and my next
daily driver (another truck) will be an automatic.. the odds of my
buying a Used C5 that is an automatic is pretty small ...

Just my thinking.. of course on a morning when my knee is acting up
all bets are off...

Good Luck..

Bob G..
personX - 21 Nov 2005 21:08 GMT
i usually dont respond to usenet groups but i just had to for this one
cuz i drove a manual c6 the other day and it was one of the funnest
things ive ever done     salesman and i went to town with it like
ferris bueller, was red too. i myself am gonna buy my 1st vette within
the next few days
xanthor - 24 Nov 2005 16:35 GMT
> I'm looking at a new C6 and I'm debating between a six speed automatic and a
> six speed manual.

Hi LR,

I strongly recommend the 6 speed.   Once you get used to a standard,
you'll never go back (although I'd recommend the auto if you have
physical disabilities that would make it hard to drive a standard).

The 6 speed will give you:

 o Much more control over the car!
 o Much more *fun* when driving, and to me that's a big deal.
 o Better fuel economy
 o Better performance
 o It will increase driver skill over a slushbox

Autos should be reserved for Toyota Corollas, not Corvettes, I think.

After having driven 6 speeds for years now, I wouldn't want an
automatic Corvette no matter what the price.  It just isn't a proper
sports car that way. It's no coincidence that the high performance Z06
model is *only* available with a 6 speed.

Hope that helps you.

xanthor
Dad - 24 Nov 2005 17:59 GMT
>> I'm looking at a new C6 and I'm debating between a six speed automatic
>> and a
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> xanthor

What are your manual 6 speed transmissions in?

I wouldn't be to smug about the Z06 being a manual, my money is on the 6
speed automatic already being in a Z06 mule.

Sorta like the GM V10 they have built.

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xanthor - 24 Nov 2005 18:28 GMT
> What are your manual 6 speed transmissions in?

C5Z Vette &  Audi S4 (got that one used, vette was bought new).  The
audi shifter is like butter.  The Vette's is not as smooth, but it is a
much higher performance car, and I still can't imagine wanting an
automatic in it.

> my money is on the 6 speed automatic already being in a Z06 mule.

Maybe in a mule, yeah, but I highly doubt they'll ever sell a "normal
automatic" (non-paddle shift) Z06.  Dave Hill has said repeatedly there
would not be an automatic Z06, and I believe him.  Of course with a new
guy stepping in that could conceivably change, but I won't want to bet
on it.

Paddle shifters are maybe some midway point.  The high end (Ferrari
430's and such) couple paddle shifters to real dual clutch trannies.
The K-mart cheeseball route is to stick paddle shifters on an automatic
tranny.
Dad - 25 Nov 2005 01:44 GMT
>C5Z Vette &  Audi S4 (got that one used, vette was bought new).  The
>audi shifter is like butter.  The Vette's is not as smooth, but it is a
>much higher performance car, and I still can't imagine wanting an
>automatic in it.

Both made by/designed by the Germans but it's smoother in the Audi, odd?

> Maybe in a mule, yeah, but I highly doubt they'll ever sell a "normal
> automatic" (non-paddle shift) Z06.

I highly doubt they have a "normal automatic" available now, just one of
those "cheeseball" paddle shift automatics. They will be in the Z06 not just
the Z51.

>Dave Hill has said repeatedly there
> would not be an automatic Z06, and I believe him.  Of course with a new
> guy stepping in that could conceivably change, but I won't want to bet
> on it.

Dave Hill may have headed up some of it but doubt very much he made the
decisions on all of the options. His one claim to fame as I see it is he was
able to breath enough life into the product to keep it from going the way of
the Camaro.

> Paddle shifters are maybe some midway point.  The high end (Ferrari
> 430's and such) couple paddle shifters to real dual clutch trannies.
> The K-mart cheeseball route is to stick paddle shifters on an automatic
> tranny.

One of Dave Hill's decisions?

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xanthor - 25 Nov 2005 03:27 GMT
> Both made by/designed by the Germans but it's smoother in the Audi, odd?

Much smoother, yeah.  I'm not sure how odd it is - it's a much
different engineering situation in the vette.

> One of Dave Hill's decisions?

Or maybe the beancounters!
Dad - 25 Nov 2005 05:44 GMT
>> Both made by/designed by the Germans but it's smoother in the Audi, odd?
>
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>
> Or maybe the beancounters!

Now you're catching on.

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