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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / February 2006

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2000 LS-1 Engine Replacement

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bob@gordonengineering.com - 18 Feb 2006 03:52 GMT
What other short-blocks / crate engines might be used?
Previously reported as porous engine block on 2000 Camaro SS.
Research has indicated this aluminum block engine is scarce & there
have been a lot of problems with similiar failures with this same
engine.  Personaly the car is great - I will not put money into the
same design aluminum block.

Help!
dave - 18 Feb 2006 16:50 GMT
Take a look in Jegs catalogue ;  you can even buy an LS7 crate . I think
the price is $13,000.  
bob@gordonengineering.com - 18 Feb 2006 17:34 GMT
The car has a $13000.00 wholesale blue book.  I can't afford nor wish
to spend this kind of money  on the car.  I truely like this car but
spending more thatn the blue book is foolish.

Thx
dave - 18 Feb 2006 19:22 GMT
Then go with another LS1 replacement (crate) . I think they run under $8
k.  , and, might put out a bit more h.p than in 2000.
PJ - 18 Feb 2006 20:23 GMT
> Then go with another LS1 replacement (crate) . I think they run under $8
> k.  , and, might put out a bit more h.p than in 2000.

Yeah Dave, I'd be tempted to go for the crate replacement because local
"asked" prices on 2000's with comparable mileage are running $ 26K for
coupes and $ 28K for convertibles.  << www.autotrader.com >>.  Probably
"selling" for a 1500 to 2K less.  Those prices will probably tumble in
another 6 months but right now the C5 market is hot.

But, this gent is gun-shy (not a good term this week) about porosity in
the LS-1.  What's the block-defect warranty on the crate engine?  By the
time he springs for the crate plus the installation labor--probably a
couple of more grand, he might be better off laying out a disclosure and
selling it, 'as-is' and maybe getting 9 or 10 grand for it. (Note --
this isn't an offer on my part.)

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PJ - 18 Feb 2006 20:31 GMT
Sorry for my goof.  Remembered back then checked.

This is in a Camaro SS, prior numbers not meaningful.

Will try to engage brain in future.

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dave - 19 Feb 2006 12:23 GMT
'But, this gent is gun-shy (not a good term this week) about porosity in
the LS-1. What's the block-defect warranty on the crate engine? By the
time he springs for the crate plus the installation labor--probably a
couple of more grand, he might be better off laying out a disclosure and
selling it, 'as-is' and maybe getting 9 or 10 grand for it'

REPLY:  GM has chosen to stick with the alum. block and heads for the
LS2 and LS7 , so maybe his bad experience with his LS1 was a fluke. (?).
If the gent is gun shy then he should try selling it 'as is ' with
disclosure to see if someone is willing to buy it -- I think he should
opt for a new LS1 crate motor with warranty and keep the car for a very
long time.  
bob@gordonengineering.com - 20 Feb 2006 14:02 GMT
I don't want to have to spend that much on this car.  I like it.
Thx for info.
Dad - 20 Feb 2006 15:44 GMT
>I don't want to have to spend that much on this car.  I like it.
> Thx for info.

I'm not sure how you can resolve this issue economically without going
back to the original engine design. There may be a similar design cast
iron truck engine that could be re-cammed that would fit the pattern
and computer requirements but it would take some research to fine what
you need. If I remember correctly the LS2 started out as a truck motor
but I'm not sure it had a cast iron version although something makes
me think it was at one time. The fellow I know that worked at the GM
Powertrain plant that would know is in Florida for another month.

Personally I would have no fear of putting an LS1 back in. They are a
good engine and they will have the occasional bad part in one just
like everything else in this world. My '63 had a bad crank in it and
it took forever to get GM to replace it, in fact the engine came in
after I had made a deal with the dealer and traded in for a '64.

Good luck,

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bob@gordonengineering.com - 21 Feb 2006 04:01 GMT
Your comment makes sense.  Not willing to spend the money, but have to,
may end up with an LS6.

Thx
Dad - 21 Feb 2006 04:24 GMT
> Your comment makes sense.  Not willing to spend the money, but have
> to,
> may end up with an LS6.
>
> Thx

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aRKay - 18 Feb 2006 21:48 GMT
> What other short-blocks / crate engines might be used?
> Previously reported as porous engine block on 2000 Camaro SS.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Help!

I was in the queue to have the rings changed in my 2001 oil drinker when
I screwed up and got into high water and trashed the engine.  The water
came in via the air cleaner and the sound was something you never want
to hear.  The good news is the car only had 10K at the time and the
insurance company agree to replace the engine.

My Chevy Service Manager did the ordering and I made sure he did NOT
order a 2001 engine.  It was 2002 at the time so he ordered and
installed a brand new crate engine shipped from the factory.  It came
complete with balanced clutch etc.  The car now has 40K miles and has
not used ANY oil between changes.  As I recall the price for the factory
engine was about $9K at the time

aRKay
 
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