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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / November 2006

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Have you seen the the eBay bidding policy?

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Tom in Missouri - 11 Nov 2006 15:14 GMT
It eliminates the bidder's ID so you do not know who you are bidding
against.

Everyone should know who they are bidding against, so they can tell if they
are real or not, if they are shill bidders, if they bid early or late, and
so on.  Many Corvette parts will fall under the new policy.

I sent my letter of complaint.
Dad - 11 Nov 2006 16:38 GMT
> It eliminates the bidder's ID so you do not know who you are bidding against.
>
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>
> I sent my letter of complaint.
Although they do offer a method of finding needed items I pretty much quit using
them when they stopped showing when an item was listed. They still show days
remaining but not the date entered. Odd, because I see no benefit to the auction
service but just takes away another bit of information for the bidder. After one
bad bidder experience and trying to get anything out of them and the item enter
date omission I just don't go there much. Plus they and Paypal have a poor
attitude about firearms although they'll sell anything else pertaining to
firearms that will make them some money.

Let us know what your reply form letter says, I'll not waste my time on them any
more.

I would almost sleep with Barbara Streisand rather than use them anymore. Please
note I said "ALMOST".

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Unquestionably Confused - 12 Nov 2006 15:26 GMT
>> It eliminates the bidder's ID so you do not know who you are bidding against.
>>
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> remaining but not the date entered. Odd, because I see no benefit to the auction
> service but just takes away another bit of information for the bidder.

Go back and take another look, Dad.  They DO still show both the date
and time the item was listed as well as the length of the auction and
time remaining.  Not on the search result listing, but on the individual
item description.

Haven't seen the new bidding policy that Tom refers to but...  Most
savvy eBayers don't get involved with bidding wars, per se.  They
"Snipe" - either manually or using software designed to do it for them.
 You see an item you want, determine YOUR maximum bid and then that
amount is entered at the last possible moment.  eBay's proxy bidding
will then bid exactly what it takes (up to the amount you set) win the
bid or it won't accept the bid if someone's outbid you.

As for the individual sellers making their auctions private (no bidder's
ID's shown), that's their right and one has the "right" to just ignore
that auction.  Still, with sniping I don't know what difference it
really makes.

One thing that I've noticed that eBay recently changed is the seller's
ability to "hide" his/her feedback rating.  Never could figure out why
they would establish a feedback program and then allow the sellers to
conceal their rating.  Made no sense.  Glad to see that's changed.

> bad bidder experience and trying to get anything out of them and the item enter
> date omission I just don't go there much. Plus they and Paypal have a poor
> attitude about firearms although they'll sell anything else pertaining to
> firearms that will make them some money.

Your complaints about their crappy customer service response, etc. are
well founded.

> Let us know what your reply form letter says, I'll not waste my time on them any
> more.
>
> I would almost sleep with Barbara Streisand rather than use them anymore. Please
> note I said "ALMOST".

Thank God!  You could have lost an eye with that nose!
Dad - 14 Nov 2006 16:57 GMT
>>> It eliminates the bidder's ID so you do not know who you are bidding
>>> against.
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> the item was listed as well as the length of the auction and time remaining.
> Not on the search result listing, but on the individual item description.

I did and it still only listed the ending date. After looking further I did
finely see that the details were hidden on that particular item. So I went back
to the last search items and they were all hidden for some reason. My guess is
that I didn't use it enough to see when they stopped listing the start and
finish date together. It is now listed as ending date and time by itself and the
start time and date is listed in a separate box as "Listing and payment
details".

My bad, but I guess I didn't miss anything just as they won't miss me.

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One more gun is just enough, maybe.

Jon - 14 Nov 2006 16:27 GMT
> Although they do offer a method of finding needed items I pretty much quit using
> them when they stopped showing when an item was listed. They still show days
> remaining but not the date entered.

Hmm, you are definitely mistaken on this one.  I just checked out a few
random auctions and that info is all still there plain as day.

> Let us know what your reply form letter says, I'll not waste my time on them any
> more.
>
> I would almost sleep with Barbara Streisand rather than use them anymore. Please
> note I said "ALMOST".

That is sick!
newbie2@aohell.com - 11 Nov 2006 22:09 GMT
I don't think that is the case because I'm bidding & selling today and
still see the bidder/username in the bid history. Don't confuse this
with a seller who wants to make an auction private to that the bidders
can't see each other. A seller CAN make an auction private, but it a
very uncommon practice.

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>It eliminates the bidder's ID so you do not know who you are bidding
>against.
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>
>I sent my letter of complaint.
Tom in Missouri - 12 Nov 2006 04:51 GMT
Did you read the policy?  Items over $200.  With the price of oil pans,
thermostat bolts, and others going nuts, $200 is not that uncommon for
Corvette parts.

Try any Corvette car and see what it looks like. Here's one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/63-ORIGINAL-S-MATCHING-CORVETTE-CONVERTIBLE-4-SPD
_W0QQitemZ170045869205QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6168QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt
em


Of course, the link wraps, so you may not see it. In that case, search for
any of the following items:
170045869205
160048919483
190049813706

I also dislike the new search format.  They sure make it easy for people to
decide to quit.  For all those that suggest an alternative, there is Yahoo
auctions, but they were a bit slow on traffic.  There was another, but it
was more like a selling section on a forum, where you lined up to ask about
the item.  Still, they have done a few makeovers on the look in only a few
months, so maybe someone has something out there that has them nervous.

>I don't think that is the case because I'm bidding & selling today and
> still see the bidder/username in the bid history. Don't confuse this
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>>
>>I sent my letter of complaint.
Unquestionably Confused - 12 Nov 2006 15:42 GMT
> Did you read the policy?  Items over $200.  With the price of oil pans,
> thermostat bolts, and others going nuts, $200 is not that uncommon for
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>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/63-ORIGINAL-S-MATCHING-CORVETTE-CONVERTIBLE-4-SPD
_W0QQitemZ170045869205QQihZ007QQcategoryZ6168QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt
em

Thanks for that, Tom.  I now see what you're talking about.

It still doesn't bother me all that much BUT eBay's explanation is pure
Barbara Streisand (sorry, Dad<g>)

They say, in pertinent part:

"From the beginning, any member of the Community could request the
contact details of any other member and the bidding process was very
transparent. As we've grown, we've limited communication to members
involved in transactions with each other. Additionally in 2003, we
eliminated the public display of email addresses from the site, and
therefore, required thousands of people to set up new User IDs.
Naturally, as we've stepped up education and other efforts to improve
safety, the bad guys continued their efforts to try to exploit our members.

The User IDs of members – plus their member information such as feedback
and previous bidding and/or buying activity – have always been freely
available to anyone visiting the site. Members have been able to access
this information from the item page, bid history page, and Advanced
Search by Bidder feature. Unfortunately – while bid history and contact
information about trading colleagues are helpful when evaluating a
transaction, and provide a level of trust within the transaction – bad
guys can use this information for potentially harmful purposes.

One way they use this information is to send unwanted commercial spam,
spoof emails, and fake Second Chance Offer emails. While legitimate
Second Chance Offer emails are a great tool on eBay that give sellers
the ability to offer another buyer an additional item they may have
available, fake Second Chance Offers and other types of solicitations
sent by bad guys generally lure the targeted member off the eBay website
and collect payment through an unsafe payment method, such as wire
transfer—all while providing the false impression that eBay endorses the
transaction..

As our Community knows, the problem of spam, spoof and fake Second
Chance Offer emails has not gone away. In fact, despite industry leading
efforts to educate the Community about online safety (eBay Toolbar,
tutorials and safety messaging), partnering with law enforcement and
industry groups, and investments in technology that make the site more
safe – we've seen this problem grow. Increasingly, sellers and buyers
have turned to us for a solution."

Nonsense!  All they are trying to do is preclude buyer and seller from
getting together off-site and cutting a deal that doesn't include eBay.
 They want to protect their turf and keep earning their commissions.
Nothing wrong with that.  eBay's a great tool for buyer and seller alike
but why not be honest?  I don't begrudge them a commission on the items
that I sell.  They didn't get to be the "Golly, gee, whiz dot com" they
are by doing charitable acts.
ACAR - 14 Nov 2006 12:18 GMT
>  eBay's a great tool for buyer and seller alike

eBay's a great tool for sellers.
Buyers aren't quite so lucky as the deck is stacked against them by the
sheer number of potential bidders, let alone the eBay rules.
On the other hand, eBay has made local retail outlets more responsive.
Tom in Missouri - 14 Nov 2006 14:15 GMT
It isn't all that great for sellers, either.  There are so many ways a
bidder can screw a seller, it is surprising how many take the chance.

I've had to relist many items after a no pay bidder has won.  A friend had
to relist his mother's car he was selling something like 4 times, it being
"won" with the buy it now by deadbeats and other messes.

We had one jerk in the early days that we'd ban, then he would create a new
ID to come win and not pay.  We have no idea who this guy was or what his
reason, maybe he thought we were someone he knew and hated, but we ended up
creating a new account and losing the feedback we had so as to break the
trail after changing IDs to get away from him.

I've had numerous "my mother just died" or "my mother just went to the
hospital in critical condition" yet they would continue to buy and sell
through the whole time they weren't paying me.

eBay's mistake is allowing items to be "not available" during the auction.
This allows people to advertise it, then pull it to sell offline, and not
get charged.  I can't count the number of auctions I've lost that were good
deals (GREAT deals), that the seller suddenly pulls 2 minutes before the
end.  In 7 days, he hasn't noticed "an error in listing"?

In a real auction, once you enter it, it is available through the entire
process.  You don't suddenly "lose" or "no longer available" to sell it
privately.  This is their big mistake.

>>  eBay's a great tool for buyer and seller alike
>
> eBay's a great tool for sellers.
> Buyers aren't quite so lucky as the deck is stacked against them by the
> sheer number of potential bidders, let alone the eBay rules.
> On the other hand, eBay has made local retail outlets more responsive.
newbie2@aohell.com - 13 Nov 2006 04:43 GMT
OK. I see what you mean. I stand corrected.

>Did you read the policy?  Items over $200.  With the price of oil pans,
>thermostat bolts, and others going nuts, $200 is not that uncommon for
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>>>
>>>I sent my letter of complaint.
 
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