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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / July 2007Amazing Passat W8 vs Corvette ZO6 Video
270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run http://videos.streetfire.net/search/Passat/0/30d002e9-8382-4e38-830f-995501749960.htm 2002 405 BHP Corvette ZO6 http://videos.streetfire.net/search/corvette+MPH/0/dde28801-9a22-48a0-90ca-26a1d 7a94dfe.htm This goes to show you the INCREDIBLE superiority of German Engineering over American Engineering when a BONE STOCK Passat W8 has a higher top speed than a Stock C5 ZO6. The Passat W8 is the Cousin of the Legendary Bugatti Veyron W16 after all. Passat has much better gearing ratios and a 0.27 drag coefficient. According to the top speed calculator, the 2002 Passat W8 only needs 411 BHP to reach 200 MPH, a Corvette would need at leas 550 BHP or more. >This goes to show you the INCREDIBLE superiority of German Engineering >over American Engineering when a BONE STOCK Passat W8 has a higher top >speed than a Stock C5 ZO6. To each his own... No further comment except to say you will not see a Passat in my garage... Loved the Audies I have owned however .. Bob G. 64 72 & 98 Verts 76 & 79 Coupes Daily driver is a TRUCK... (little underpowered 5 Sp Dakota which normally has "stuff" in the bed.. its a Tool ! > 270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 411 BHP to reach 200 MPH, a Corvette would need at leas 550 BHP or > more. <strip cross-post> ISTM we've seen this crap before? AJM '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) So how does that car do on the race track? VW owner since 1977 wants to know. Oh wait, you never see the car at any road courses. >270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >411 BHP to reach 200 MPH, a Corvette would need at leas 550 BHP or >more. The Passat W8 is a family car and not really meant for the track. It's meant for Autobahn Cruising @ 155 MPH+. It's very front heavy and weighs 2 tons even though it's a midsize car in proportion. Volkswagen Autogroup makes other cars such as the Bugatti Veyron W16, Lamborghini Gallardo V10, Audi S6 V10 MTM, Audi R8, and Volkswagen Golf GTI W12 which will whoop any American car on the track. On Jul 11, 10:53 am, Jim Behning <jimbehn...@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote: > So how does that car do on the race track? VW owner since 1977 wants > to know. Oh wait, you never see the car at any road courses. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Oh, I almost forgot one of the most legendary cars that VAG makes, the Audi TT Bimoto. > The Passat W8 is a family car and not really meant for the track. It's > meant for Autobahn Cruising @ 155 MPH+. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > - Show quoted text - 'The Passat W8 is a family car and not really meant for the track. It's meant for Autobahn Cruising @ 155 MPH+.' REPLY: Well then, its a Sports Car Wannabe. This NG is for the American Icon : Corvette -- not family cars. If you like Family Cars then that is nice ; however, we love our Corvettes and Cynics to the Corvette are not welcomed in here. Unless you have a car that begins with the letter 'C' and ends in 'e' and is fiberglass, then you picked the wrong NG to be bragadocious in. Good day to you. Too funny. A front heavy car meant for cruising fast. Many would suggest a balanced car is designed to be driven fast. Is a Skoda the best car in the world because VAG has shares in it? At the racetrack what cars do you see racing? I look at the American Lemans series and I don't see anything about VW racing. I do see Audi racing. I see Chevrolet Corvettes. I see Audi, Porsche but no VW. I go to the Grand Am series and I see in the Koni Challenge that VW is 9 in the ST class just above Hundai. Nothing in the GS class. In the Rolex classes they do not have any points so I guess that means they are not racing at all. Just because a car might be able to go fast does not mean the car is a safe well balanced car at speed. Just because a car may be able to go fast does not mean the car is superiour. When I have read VW reviews of actual cars that professional drivers take out to the track for real lap times, the VWs have not been first. Please cite any widely read periodicals that state otherwise. Wsting my breath here but I believe I have seen Cadillac at the race track. I still can't recall seeing a competive VW. No, Audi is not VW. Yes they may share some stock and some parts but they are not really VW anymore than a Bugotti is a VW, or Saab is GM, or Mecedes is Chrysler, or Jaguar is Ford. >The Passat W8 is a family car and not really meant for the track. It's >meant for Autobahn Cruising @ 155 MPH+. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - On Jul 12, 8:12 am, Jim Behning <jimbehn...@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote: > Too funny. A front heavy car meant for cruising fast. Many would > suggest a balanced car is designed to be driven fast. Is a Skoda the > best car in the world because VAG has shares in it? Skodas used to be crappy cars, but ever since VW bought them, they're fine cars. Hell, I'd pick a Skoda Superb over a Chevy Malibu or Ford Fusion any day of the week give the chance. VW sell Skoda Superbs in the US because it would harm Passat Sales. VW also doesn't make Passat Convertibles because it would hurt A4 Convertible Sales, although the EOS does the same to a smaller degree. If they sold Skoda Superbs in the US, they'd sell like hotcakes. Even these last generation Skoda Superbs are beautiful family cars to me. http://images.google.com/images?q=Skoda+Superb&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&pws t=1&um=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title >On Jul 12, 8:12 am, Jim Behning ><jimbehn...@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >http://images.google.com/images?q=Skoda+Superb&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&pws t=1&um=1&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. So if you want to be technical you are talking about an Audi that you think is so great, not a VW. Your one off discussions are silly also. There are plenty of Corvette one off with turbos. We had a 72 Polara in the family. It was spec'ed out by CHP to go a minimum of 140 mph. I was not so interested in driving that 5,000 pound car 140. It got up to 120 pretty fast though. OK, not as fast as a lot of the factory race cars you can buy but it was 5,000 pounds.Something that has the potential to go fast does not mean that you want to drive it fast on anything but a straight road. I am not ignorant enough to suggest that one car is superiour to another. That is oft times as silly as saying my methane smells better than you methane. Fun troll, sort of. > If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. So if you want to be > technical you are talking about an Audi that you think is so great, > not a VW. The Passat is made by VW, not Audi. The last-generation Passat had a platform that was derived from the platform used by the Audi A4, but the new model is closer to being a stretched Golf/Jetta. -- Mike Smith > If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. *ROFLMFAO* An Audi Passat? That's a new one on me ;o) >> If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. > >*ROFLMFAO* > >An Audi Passat? That's a new one on me ;o) VW in my mind at least has been known over the years to re-label cars. I think Porsche might have done the same thing with the 914. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_914 http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/447927.cms That article to me suggests that three names for the same car are made at the same plant. Of course that does not mean that all three cars have the same guts but it sounds like it does. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Passat http://ezinearticles.com/?Audi-A4:-From-Passat-and-Back&id=219265 >>> If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. >> *ROFLMFAO* >> >> An Audi Passat? That's a new one on me ;o) >> > VW in my mind "In my mind"? How 'bout trying "in reality" for a while. The Passat is made by VWAG, in Emden and Zwickau, in plants where (AFAIK) no Audis are made. -- Mike Smith >>>> If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. >>> *ROFLMFAO* [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >made by VWAG, in Emden and Zwickau, in plants where (AFAIK) no Audis are >made. I wonder if this article takes things out of my mind and in to reality? http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/447927.cms VW has made cars in various plants scattered about the world. They even made Rabbits and Golfs in Pennsylvania for a few years. >>>>> If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. >>>> *ROFLMFAO* [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > VW has made cars in various plants scattered about the world. They > even made Rabbits and Golfs in Pennsylvania for a few years. No duh. But what you *said* was that "the Passat is made by Audi". That statement is false. And the article you cited doesn't even address the issue; it talks about cars to be built by *Skoda*. Why can't you just admit you were wrong? -- Mike Smith >>>>>> If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. >>>>> *ROFLMFAO* [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >the issue; it talks about cars to be built by *Skoda*. Why can't you >just admit you were wrong? I did not state I was right or wrong. What I suggested is that I doubt that the plant workers wear a VW hat one day, a Skoda hat another day and a Audi hat another day. The badge on the car might change but who assembles the car does not. So is the question "What is the definition of make?" Does make means engineered or does make mean assembled? So answer me this, who make the the Toyota Corrolla and the Pontiac Vibe? They roll off the same assembly line in California. >>>>>>> If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. >>>>>> *ROFLMFAO* [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > the definition of make?" Does make means engineered or does make mean > assembled? <sigh> Regardless of the answers to any of the above, *Audi does not manufacture the Passat*. Yes, there is a lot of platform sharing in the VWAG family, but the simple fact remains that *Audi does not manufacture the Passat*. Boy, it must really be bothering you to be wrong about this, huh? > So answer me this, who make the the Toyota Corrolla and the Pontiac > Vibe? They roll off the same assembly line in California. Both cars are made by NUMMI, a joint venture between GM and Toyota. Which has nothing to do with the fact that the Passat is manufactured by VW in VW plants, and *not by Audi*. -- Mike Smith >>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. >>>>>>> *ROFLMFAO* [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >Which has nothing to do with the fact that the Passat is manufactured by >VW in VW plants, and *not by Audi*. Yes it bothers me that I am wrong. Not a lot though. What bothers me is that I cannot find production figures easily which I am unfortunately sure would prove me wrong. I did see Emden as the production source on a Passat at the US VW dealer the other day. I have not visited an Audi dealer to see if the manufacturing plant was listed. I happened to be there for a brake light switch recall on my car. I have had my tail between my legs for a week fearing Mean Mike. ;-( Try as I might obfuscation is not working on Mike. It is not working on me either. Hey Mike, have you found any sources that do not require a membership fee that list manufacturing sites and production numbers for major automobiles? This would be to humor my desire for nerd statisitics. Production numbers for the Corvette are bit easier to find and one plant. They do use just one plant over the years for the Corvette or has it moved around? >>>>>>>>> If I am not mistaken the Passat is made by Audi. >>>>>>>> *ROFLMFAO* [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > is that I cannot find production figures easily which I am > unfortunately sure would prove me wrong. I'm not sure the burden of proof really works that way. Do you just go around making random utterances, then expecting someone to prove you *wrong*? > I did see Emden as the > production source on a Passat at the US VW dealer the other day. I > have not visited an Audi dealer to see if the manufacturing plant was > listed. I happened to be there for a brake light switch recall on my > car. I have had my tail between my legs for a week fearing Mean Mike. > ;-( Um, I think maybe you need to get out more. Or at least away from Usenet. > Try as I might obfuscation is not working on Mike. It is not working > on me either. Hey Mike, have you found any sources that do not require > a membership fee that list manufacturing sites and production numbers > for major automobiles? No, and I'm certainly not about to spend extra money over an argument in a Usenet group. > This would be to humor my desire for nerd > statisitics. Production numbers for the Corvette are bit easier to > find and one plant. They do use just one plant over the years for the > Corvette or has it moved around? FWIW, Wikipedia says: "It is built today exclusively at a General Motors assembly plant in Bowling Green, Kentucky, but in the past it was built in Flint, Michigan and St. Louis, Missouri." -- Mike Smith On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:12:29 GMT, Jim Behning <jimbehning@doesthisblockpork.mindspring.com> wrote something wonderfully witty: <snip> >Wsting my breath here but I believe I have seen Cadillac at the race >track. I still can't recall seeing a competive VW. No, Audi is not VW. >Yes they may share some stock and some parts but they are not really >VW anymore than a Bugotti is a VW, or Saab is GM, or Mecedes is >Chrysler, or Jaguar is Ford. Of course you've seen Team Cadillac at the track. In 2004, their debut season, Team Cadillac's race-prepared CTS-Vs won the pole and posted a 1-2 finish in their competition debut in Sebring, Fla. In 10 events, Team Cadillac posted three victories, four poles and five podium finishes. Not to bad for a belle coming back to the ball. A couple of days ago Team Cadillac CTS- V racers Ron Fellows, Andy Pilgrim and Lawson Aschenbach survived constantly changing weather conditions and heated competition to finish second, fourth and sixth respectively in the sixth round of the SCCA SPEED World Challenge GT series on the Toronto street course. In 2006 all three of the Team Cadillac CTS-V race cars survived the season finale of the SCCA SPEED World Challenge GT race at Raceway Laguna Seca. See http://media.gm.com/eur/cad/en/sport_sponsor/ss_motorsport/index.html for all your Team Cadillac news. Now where is Team Vee Dub again?  Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." >The Passat W8 is a family car and not really meant for the track. It's >meant for Autobahn Cruising @ 155 MPH+. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >R8, and Volkswagen Golf GTI W12 which will whoop any American car on >the track. Then why spend $97,900 on the stupid thing? Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." >> The Passat W8 is a family car and not really meant for the track. It's >> meant for Autobahn Cruising @ 155 MPH+. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > Then why spend $97,900 on the stupid thing? Since when does a Passat W8 cost $97K? Do you live in one of those European countries with outlandish taxes on cars? Back when the W8 was on sale in the US, it cost about $38K. -- Mike Smith >>> The Passat W8 is a family car and not really meant for the track. It's >>> meant for Autobahn Cruising @ 155 MPH+. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >European countries with outlandish taxes on cars? Back when the W8 was >on sale in the US, it cost about $38K. The very first article I read after numbnutz posted this thread, talked about it being $97,900. I've never seen one so I wouldn't know. Figured they were one off amalgamation. If you do a web search on Pissant W8 you should come across it. It was in about the top five sites returned. Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." and after the race the VW went to the shop for repairs... > 270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 411 BHP to reach 200 MPH, a Corvette would need at leas 550 BHP or > more. Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 MPH. > and after the race the VW went to the shop for repairs... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk > @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 > MPH. It's called a rev limiter you moron. And the Bug's limiter was disabled. You must be a high school kid with a Cabreolet covertable. Go post on the Bug group. The reason that the Corvette hit the rev limiter is because its top speed is actually in 5th gear because it doesn't have enough power to go fast in 6th gear. The W8 would hit the rev limiter too in 5th gear. It just has the governor removed, NOT the rev limiter. The Top speed of the Corvette ZO6 is DRAG limited anyway, not governor limited. > > Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk > > @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Go post on the Bug group. > The reason that the Corvette hit the rev limiter is because its top > speed is actually in 5th gear because it doesn't have enough power to > go fast in 6th gear. The W8 would hit the rev limiter too in 5th gear. > It just has the governor removed, NOT the rev limiter. The Top speed > of the Corvette ZO6 is DRAG limited anyway, not governor limited. Madre mia --why am I answering this? Overdrive (6th) contributes to highway fuel economy, offers improved range, longer engine life and avoids a gas guzzler tax. It has proven successful in Corvettes (auto and stick) for over 20 years. I don't find that an undesirable quality. Getting real: The W8, WRX have had some temporary fascination for sports car fans in this country since they are out of the ordinary. Not unlike the German fascination with low-end torque which spawned the Berlinetta -- a good seller in Germany for a couple of years. -- pj > > Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk > > @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Go post on the Bug group. Jealous? or Clueless? > Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk > @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 > MPH. You're a strange kid, Sal. Have you watched the videos? There's nothing in the VW video that reliably shows any speed indication. I can't get the Corvette site to respond at all, so I don't know about that. But I'll tell you right now, that VW is not going 174 mph in that video. If it is, then there are two green vans that are doing at least 150 in that video, too. Lessee, with their aero drag, that would require... hmmm... carry the three... 6500 horsepower. To hell with the Passat and the 'Vette, I want one of those vans! > > Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk > > @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > hmmm... carry the three... 6500 horsepower. To hell with the Passat > and the 'Vette, I want one of those vans! UM, NO, Passats have been confirmed with GPS. http://www.need4speed.ws/top-speed/Firestarter_PassatW8_174mph/VW-Passat-W8-Tipt ronic-Delimited-174-mph-GPS-280-kmh.html >> > Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk >> > @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://www.need4speed.ws/top-speed/Firestarter_PassatW8_174mph/VW-Passat-W8-Tipt ronic-Delimited-174-mph-GPS-280-kmh.html It's interesting how four of the top ten "gay" cars are VWs, isn't it? http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/Gay-Lesbian/gay-guy-winner.html AJM '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) VAG makes cars for all different demographics. Cabrio Convertibles, Beetle Convertibles, etc for gay guys and girly girls. VW Lupo, Golf TDI, Jetta TDI, Passat TDI, and even Audi A8 TDI for people who want to save money on gas. Bugatti Veyron W16, Audi R8, Lamborghini Gallardo SE, Lamborghini Murcielago, Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo, Audi S6 MTM, and Volkswagen Passat R36 for Speed Demons. Passat 2.0T, Skoda Superb, Audi A6, etc for medium sized families, etc. > >> > Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk > >> > @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yep, definitely gay! You really are just another loser wannabe. Go back to school and learn something about the real engineering behind good cars. > VAG makes cars for all different demographics. Cabrio Convertibles, > Beetle Convertibles, etc for gay guys and girly girls. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - >>> > Have you actually watched the videos? The Passat is as smooth as silk >>> > @ 174 MPH, and the ZO6s engine almost blows up when it reaches 172 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >http://www.cartalk.com/content/features/Gay-Lesbian/gay-guy-winner.html Could it have anything to do with their VAG symbol? Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." So the car goes 170- 180 mph. In a straight line with plenty of road. So, what if there's a curve? What if you have to brake? What if there's a pothole? Straightline speed is one thing. A real car has many aspects. I drive a real car. >270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >411 BHP to reach 200 MPH, a Corvette would need at leas 550 BHP or >more. WTFC. A Volkswagon is still a volkswagon. > 270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run What about the 650 BHP Golf GTI W12 Twin Turbo aka Corvette SS Killer? > WTFC. A Volkswagon is still a volkswagon. > > > 270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - :>What about the 650 BHP Golf GTI W12 Twin Turbo aka Corvette SS :>Killer? You're trying to polish a turd. Corvette people don't like turds, polished or not. Enjoy your VW. :) :>On Jul 11, 10:44 pm, Bob I <birel...@yahoo.com> wrote: :>> WTFC. A Volkswagon is still a volkswagon. The Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo is a legit MID-ENGINE SUPERCAR. The W12 Engine was actually originally designed for the VW 12 Nardo Supercar Concept that was made to destroy Enzos on the track. http://www.in.gr/auto/parousiaseis/foto_big/in_VW_W12_Coupe_676_03_01.jpg http://www.autogen.pl/cars/VolksW12N/2.jpg http://vodila.net/sketch_images/235.jpg Front Engine Cars like the Corvettes are mere PRETENDERS, real Super- Cars have MID-ENGINE SETUP. Why settle for a lowly front engine car when you can get a Mid-Engine Supercar for less money? Here are some images that what kind of beast the W12 in the GTI really is. http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/vw_golf_gti_w12_641_officia l_12.jpg http://www.egmcartech.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/vw_golf_gti_w12_641_officia l_111.jpg Why would anyone settle for a Front Engine car with understeer like the Corvette SS whent they can get a Mid-Engine Exotic like the Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo with Supercar manners on the track? > :>What about the 650 BHP Golf GTI W12 Twin Turbo aka Corvette SS > :>Killer? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > :>On Jul 11, 10:44 pm, Bob I <birel...@yahoo.com> wrote: > :>> WTFC. A Volkswagon is still a volkswagon. Obviously you don't have a clue about design. The engine being set BETWEEN the front and rear wheels defines mid-engine. There are forward mounted and rear mounted mid-engines. Now go away as you are the "pretender". You may continue your education on your own. Good-day. > The Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo is a legit MID-ENGINE SUPERCAR. > The W12 Engine was actually originally designed for the VW 12 Nardo [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> :>On Jul 11, 10:44 pm, Bob I <birel...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> :>> WTFC. A Volkswagon is still a volkswagon. :>The Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo is a legit MID-ENGINE SUPERCAR. And the last time your little VW won the 24 Hours of Lemans was.....? ::>Why would anyone settle for a Front Engine car with understeer like :>the Corvette SS whent they can get a Mid-Engine Exotic like the :>Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo with Supercar manners on the track? Uh, so when did your little VW win Lemans.....? :>On Jul 12, 3:46 pm, Sarah Czepiel <ninety...@cox.net> wrote: :>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:25:11 -0700, Sal <jackwhite...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :>> :>On Jul 11, 10:44 pm, Bob I <birel...@yahoo.com> wrote: :>> :>> WTFC. A Volkswagon is still a volkswagon. It's a BRAND new car, up till a few weeks ago it was a prototype, it's just gone into production. > :>The Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo is a legit MID-ENGINE SUPERCAR. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > :>> :>On Jul 11, 10:44 pm, Bob I <birel...@yahoo.com> wrote: > :>> :>> WTFC. A Volkswagon is still a volkswagon. :>It's a BRAND new car, up till a few weeks ago it was a prototype, it's :>just gone into production. An idiot *and* a top posting twit ... :>On Jul 12, 10:16 pm, Sarah Czepiel <ninety...@cox.net> wrote: :>> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:17:07 -0700, Sal <jackwhite...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] :>> :>> :>On Jul 11, 10:44 pm, Bob I <birel...@yahoo.com> wrote: :>> :>> :>> WTFC. A Volkswagon is still a volkswagon. >It's a BRAND new car, up till a few weeks ago it was a prototype, it's >just gone into production. WTF, the W8 has been around since `04. Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." On Jul 14, 9:28 pm, The Wolf With the Red Roses <after-dark- a...@cox.net> wrote: > >It's a BRAND new car, up till a few weeks ago it was a prototype, it's > >just gone into production. > > WTF, the W8 has been around since `04. If you'd actually read the thread, you'd realize that the GTI W12 Twin Turbo was being discussed there. > -- > > "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, > illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, > which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." :>On Jul 14, 9:28 pm, The Wolf With the Red Roses <after-dark- :>a...@cox.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] :>If you'd actually read the thread, you'd realize that the GTI W12 Twin :>Turbo was being discussed there. See how being a top posting poser makes you look silly? > The Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo is a legit MID-ENGINE SUPERCAR. It's not a legit anything. It's a one-off, never-will-be-mass-produced abomination. -- Mike Smith >> The Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo is a legit MID-ENGINE SUPERCAR. > > It's not a legit anything. It's a one-off, never-will-be-mass-produced > abomination. I love this response SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >The Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo is a legit MID-ENGINE SUPERCAR. >The W12 Engine was actually originally designed for the VW 12 Nardo [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >the Corvette SS whent they can get a Mid-Engine Exotic like the >Volkswagen GTI W12 Twin Turbo with Supercar manners on the track? In case you aren't aware of this little boy, it is a function of money. Exactly how many Corvettes can you buy for one W12. Exactly how many W12's are sitting at your local dealers lot. Hell how many W8's are there either? Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." Still just another volkswagon. You are obviously laboring under a severe information deficit, go look up Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette, and find out why you are held in such disdain. > What about the 650 BHP Golf GTI W12 Twin Turbo aka Corvette SS > Killer? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> 270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run- Hide quoted text - >> - Show quoted text - It's just crazy to even start compare NON-PRODUCTION cars to production cars. What was the Callaway Sledgehammer's Production run? 5000? 1000?, 50? Actually in its own category, the Sledgehammer Corvette is very slow, even electric cars in the NON-Production category are faster http://www.autobloggreen.com/2006/10/02/wired-nextfest-report-ohio-states-300-mp h-electric-car/ Even Street Legal Cars are much faster. http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1161348277/Worlds_Fastest_Street_Legal_Car_- _2200BHP Since you're bringing up cars that aren't even production, I'll do one better. My souped up Volkswagen Nardo W12 does 306 MPH in Grand Turismo 4, take that Sledgehammer Corvette. > Still just another volkswagon. You are obviously laboring under a severe > information deficit, go look up Callaway Sledgehammer Corvette, and find [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - :>My souped up Volkswagen Nardo W12 does 306 MPH in Grand Turismo 4, :>take that Sledgehammer Corvette. You're a video gamer as well as a poser? <smirk> > :>My souped up Volkswagen Nardo W12 does 306 MPH in Grand Turismo 4, > :>take that Sledgehammer Corvette. > > You're a video gamer as well as a poser? <smirk> I thought that was hilarious too. Now this pitiful little dribbler thinks his car is a penis extender. AJM '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) > It's just crazy to even start compare NON-PRODUCTION cars to > production cars. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > My souped up Volkswagen Nardo W12 does 306 MPH in Grand Turismo 4, > take that Sledgehammer Corvette. Game, Set, Match. Oh you really are a piece of work, WOOT! Sal what is the fastest you have truly driven a car, not a video game but a real car??? I am not talking about running moms car up to 90 and then sh.tting your pants and letting off but realy driving a car at high speeds... SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) 130 MPH on the track, hit the governor. Decided to get a laptop instead of chiptuning because education is more important and besides because of education I can get a much faster car later. I never drive over 80 MPH on the highway anymore because my lady friend's father was killed by a guy who was speeding way over the limit. It's reasonably safe to drive 150-250 MPH in Germany, NOT on American Highways. On Jul 13, 8:06 am, Z?RiX <c...@net.org> wrote: > Sal what is the fastest you have truly driven a car, not a video game but a > real car??? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Z?RiX > (?`'..(<>..<>)..'??) On Jul 13, 8:06 am, ZÿRiX <c...@net.org> wrote: > Sal what is the fastest you have truly driven a car, not a video game but > a > real car??? > I am not talking about running moms car up to 90 and then sh.tting your > pants and letting off > but realy driving a car at high speeds... 130 MPH on the track, hit the governor. Decided to get a laptop instead of chiptuning because education is more important and besides because of education I can get a much faster car later. I never drive over 80 MPH on the highway anymore because my lady friend's father was killed by a guy who was speeding way over the limit. It's reasonably safe to drive 150-250 MPH in Germany, NOT on American Highways. Ok I personally have driven my vette 165MPH and have truly felt that speed, and have driven a passat up to around 90 (LA freeways everybody does 90 when clear or 25 when full of traffic) and did not feel near the control in the passat at that low of a speed as I did in my 98 vette at that great of speed. Now your statement "It's reasonably safe to drive 150-250 MPH in Germany" is just plain stupid unless you have a full roll cage and a full harness seat belt and helmet you are far from safe. And the Autobahn is not very safe for driving fast either as there are a lot of slow moving vehicles like tractor trailers on it as well, I'm sorry I would not want to be coming up on a truck going 60MPH and me doing 150MPH that would suck if he had to swerve. http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/2005-accident_story/6-1-05.html Autobahn speed limit facts. Speed limits Despite the widespread belief of complete freedom from speed limits (and a lobbying effort that has the same influence and deep pockets as the American gun lobby), some speed regulations can be found on the Autobahns. Many sections do indeed have posted limits ranging from 80 to 120 km/h (50-75 mph), particularly those with dangerous curves, in urban areas, near major interchanges, or with unusually constant heavy traffic. In construction zones, the limit may be as low as 60 km/h (37 mph). Also, some sections now feature nighttime and wet-weather speed restrictions, and trucks are always regulated . Still, about half the Autobahn system has no speed limit, but there is always an advisory limit of 130 km/h (81 mph). This recommendation is generally seen for what it is-- an attempt by the government to cover itself without having to upset millions of Porsche and BMW owners (AKA voters.) However, if you exceed the advisory limit and are involved in an accident, you could be responsible for some of the damage costs even if you are not at fault. http://gettingaroundgermany.home.att.net/autobahn.htm#speedlimits I guess I would just like to end this saying 2 things 1st quit dissing the Vette if you don't like the car leave the group and move onto another one, we like them. 2nd Unless you have experience in driving the actual cars (not on a f.cking game) then quit trying to argue with everybody, Hell I can read a book on knee surgery and quote it to everybody and even do it on the computer http://www.edheads.org click virtual knee surgery its kinda cool, BUT it does not mean I know diddly sh.t about it. So go play somewhere else you have wore out your welcome here as far as I am concerned. SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, ZÿRiX wrote: >I guess I would just like to end this saying 2 things >1st quit dissing the Vette if you don't like the car leave the group and >move onto another one, we like them. Perhaps you don't know that you have been posting into the VW group in addition to the Corvette group. > In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, ZÿRiX wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Perhaps you don't know that you have been posting into the VW group > in addition to the Corvette group. Yes I know but want to make sure he gets it... In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, ZÿRiX wrote: >> In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, ZÿRiX wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Yes I know but want to make sure he gets it... Of course he gets it. He was the original troll. >130 MPH on the track, hit the governor. >Decided to get a laptop instead of chiptuning because education is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >limit. It's reasonably safe to drive 150-250 MPH in Germany, NOT on >American Highways. Lady friend? Only two types of people have Lady Friends, old men & gays. Are you both? Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." > 270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run WOW That W8 is so good you can't even buy them in the USA any longer. All the production must get sucked up in Europe, huh? Any reason why the race didn't pit a new W8 vs a new base C6? No, I'm sure not. Because the W8 is NOT from the same generation as the C6, it's the same generation as the C5. People were not willing to pay $40,000+ for a 174 MPH 8 cylinder Passat when they could get a 155 MPH 4 cylinder or 6 cylinder Passat for 20-30K. They would rather buy an Audi or Lexus at that price. Family Car buyers didn't care much about extra power or extra speed so the the W8 is no longer made. If the Passat W8 Six Speed Sport was still made, the latest one would have about 400-430BHP and have a top speed of 200-205 MPH. Passats are among the MOST efficient midsize cars at translating horsepower into speed I've ever seen. the older 170 BHP 4 Cylinder Passat can do 155.3 MPH with the governor Removed, and the older W8 can do 174 MPH with just 270 BHP. In fact, the first generation 270 BHP Acura NSX can do 168 MPH, while the 270 BHP Passat W8 can do 174 MPH. That's a damn impressive statistic. > > 270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any reason why the race didn't pit a new W8 vs a new base C6? No, I'm > sure not. My 400 BHP+ stat for a THEORETICAL 2008 Passat W8 Six Speed Sport is based on the fact that the V6 Passat jumped from 190 BHP to 280BHP and 300 BHP for the V6 and V6 R36 from last generation to this generation. 400-430BHP and a 200 to 205 MPH top speed are VERY GOOD ESTIMATES for what the W8 would be doing with the governor removed if it was still around. > My 400 BHP+ stat for a THEORETICAL 2008 Passat W8 Six Speed Sport is > based on the fact that the V6 Passat jumped from 190 BHP to 280BHP and > 300 BHP for the V6 and V6 R36 from last generation to this generation. > 400-430BHP and a 200 to 205 MPH top speed are VERY GOOD ESTIMATES for > what the W8 would be doing with the governor removed if it was still > around. "THEORETICAL" and "VERY GOOD ESTIMATES" sum up this thread. With enough horsepower or thrust, you can make a brick move quickly. Making it maneuverable under a variety of wind-gust and road surface conditions at those speeds is what takes engineering talent. Sedans, at speed, tend to get ugly. < http://www.wreckedexotics.com/a8/a6_20051116_001.shtml That's why they have governors or limiters. -- pj Yeah, Sedans are horrible at speed. Oh wait my mistake, the Stock 730 BHP Brabus Rocket CLS V12 Twin Turbo will kick any stock Corvette a.s on the track or the Autobahn. > > My 400 BHP+ stat for a THEORETICAL 2008 Passat W8 Six Speed Sport is > > based on the fact that the V6 Passat jumped from 190 BHP to 280BHP and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > pj And where is the "Vonderbar" W-12 from the VAG? Dead on arrival. That's where it is. Audi A4,A6,Passat = 8 ball joints per front end. A very poorly engineered/executed multi-link suspension. The platform strategy propagates mistakes. Now the good stuff. Quattro. BK > Yeah, Sedans are horrible at speed. Oh wait my mistake, the Stock 730 > BHP Brabus Rocket CLS V12 Twin Turbo will kick any stock Corvette a.s [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > -- > > pj Snip foolish blather... >> 400-430BHP and a 200 to 205 MPH top speed are VERY GOOD ESTIMATES >> for >> what the W8 would be doing with the governor removed if it was >> still >> around. What does "if it was still around" tell you??? Sal is having as much fun with his dreams as having sex with Marilyn Monroe, if she was still around. That might be it, he likes them dead. By the way when one of the car rags was test driving the new C6 by taping off the grill and folding the mirrors back they came up with 190 MPH, and beyond most peoples ability to handle, a speed that is close to the 200 MPH that seems so dear to ol Sal. That was a stock C6 without the dicking around with the rev limiters. > "THEORETICAL" and "VERY GOOD ESTIMATES" sum up this thread. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > pj >> My 400 BHP+ stat for a THEORETICAL 2008 Passat W8 Six Speed Sport is >> based on the fact that the V6 Passat jumped from 190 BHP to 280BHP and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >"THEORETICAL" and "VERY GOOD ESTIMATES" sum >up this thread. Only if you added in Theoretical Intelligence on the part of the original video gamer, ah I mean posser, no damn it poster. Yeah that's the ticket -- wanna see film of grannies last 1/4 run? Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." > My 400 BHP+ stat for a THEORETICAL 2008 Passat W8 Six Speed Sport is > based on the fact that the V6 Passat jumped from 190 BHP to 280BHP and > 300 BHP for the V6 and V6 R36 from last generation to this generation. > 400-430BHP and a 200 to 205 MPH top speed are VERY GOOD ESTIMATES for > what the W8 would be doing with the governor removed if it was still > around. Math isn't your strong suit, is it? The B5 Passat's 2.8L V6 made 190 HP. That's about 68 HP/L. Multiply that by the W8's 4.0L and you get... 271 HP, which is pretty damn close to VW's rating of 270 HP. So where the hell do you get 400 HP? (Apart from your delusional fanboy fantasies, I mean.) -- Mike Smith On Jul 15, 4:35 pm, Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_sm...@acm.DOT.org> wrote: > > My 400 BHP+ stat for a THEORETICAL 2008 Passat W8 Six Speed Sport is > > based on the fact that the V6 Passat jumped from 190 BHP to 280BHP and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > -- > Mike Smith I was talking about a THEORETICAL 2008 W8. Seeing that the Passat B5.5 V6 BHP was just 190, but the Passat B6 V6 BHP was 280 it's reasonable to think that if a 2008 W8 was still around, it would have 400+ BHP. > On Jul 15, 4:35 pm, Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_sm...@acm.DOT.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I was talking about a THEORETICAL 2008 W8. In other words, more of your delusions. > Seeing that the Passat B5.5 V6 BHP was just 190, but the Passat B6 V6 > BHP was 280 it's reasonable to think that if a 2008 W8 was still > around, it would have 400+ BHP. The 3.6L in the PQ46 makes 280 HP, or about 78 HP/L. A 400 HP engine would have to over 5.0L at that rate, rather large for the Passat which is now basically a stretched Jetta. Also, the W8 was designed for longitudinal-engine applications, as was the 2.8L V6, and wouldn't work well in the Passat's current transverse-engine configuration, even if it could fit. -- Mike Smith Maybe it would be a W10, but if the sucessor of the Passat W8 was still around in 2008 it would have 400+ BHP. The 2002 W8 always had 50% more horsepower than the V6 Passats. The 2008 Passat V6 has 280BHP, and the 2008 V6 Passat R36 has 300 BHP thus even 400 BHP would be a lowball estimate for a 2008 Passat W8. Volkswagen can put a 650BHP TWIN TURBO W12 Monster Engine in a GTI so a 400+ BHP engine in a Passat would be no problem. On Jul 16, 12:56 am, Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_sm...@acm.DOT.org> wrote: > > On Jul 15, 4:35 pm, Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_sm...@acm.DOT.org> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >Because the W8 is NOT from the same generation as the C6, it's the >same generation as the C5. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >generation 270 BHP Acura NSX can do 168 MPH, while the 270 BHP Passat >W8 can do 174 MPH. That's a damn impressive statistic. Wait wait. A couple of posts back you just said it was a brand new car. Additionally the list was well over 90k, not 40K. You on drugs or just stupid? Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." >270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >411 BHP to reach 200 MPH, a Corvette would need at leas 550 BHP or >more. Ok so I don't own either car but even if what you say is true, frankly I'll take a Honda Accord for a daily driver and a Corvette for fun driving any day over your choices. I dare you to tell me your family car is more reliable than the Honda or more popular than a Corvette? Where I live, I don't see too many Passats compared to Corvettes so I guess per your rant, no matter how fast they are, people prefer Corvettes. And I don't recall recently seeing anyone here claim the Corvette was the fastest car around. What I have seen is that it's a fun car to drive with good performance. Are you living in a dream world? Passats must outsell Corvettes at least 10 to 1 in the US. They're the best selling European Midsize car in America, and they're the BEST SELLING Midsize Car in ALL OF EUROPE. > >270 BHP 2002 Passat W8 Six Speed Top Speed Run > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - YOU are the moron living in a dream world. Last year Passats were 75,000, compared to 34,000 Corvettes. So considering IT'S just another volkswagon sedan, that's pretty lousy, probably cause it's just another overpriced taildragger. Considering the pathetic horsepower rating it gets crappy gas mileage too. Especially IF you compare it to a 'vette. But then you live in your litte contrived dream work, you probably ought to stay away from computers and real information, and go back to playing your console games. > Are you living in a dream world? Passats must outsell Corvettes at > least 10 to 1 in the US. > They're the best selling European Midsize car in America, and they're > the BEST SELLING Midsize Car in ALL OF EUROPE. What are you talking about? Passats have the MOST horsepower in their class. Passat 4 Cylinder 200 BHP, Passat V6 280 BHP, Passat R36 300 BHP. That's more than Accord, Camry, Sonata, Altima, Fusion, Malibu, and Sebring. You obviously know NOTHING about cars thinking that Passats have less power than their competition. > YOU are the moron living in a dream world. Last year Passats were > 75,000, compared to 34,000 Corvettes. So considering IT'S just another [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > - Show quoted text - :>What are you talking about? Passats have the MOST horsepower in their :>class. That may be true Sal but a Passat is outclassed by a Corvette every time. Oh, really, what's the fuel economy of a Corvette? What's the Corvette's Drag Coefficient? What's the reliability record of a Corvette compared to a Passat according to consumer reports? What kind of crash test results does it have? Did the Corvette have the 3rd lowest death rate among 200 popular cars compared by the IIHS like the Passat did? What kind of top speed to horsepower ratio do Corvettes have compared to Passats? What kind of ego emmisions do Corvettes put out? > :>What are you talking about? Passats have the MOST horsepower in their > :>class. > > That may be true Sal but a Passat is outclassed by a Corvette every > time. What car do *you* own Sal? What car do *you* drive Sal? :>Oh, really, what's the fuel economy of a Corvette? What's the :>Corvette's Drag Coefficient? What's the reliability record of a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] :>> That may be true Sal but a Passat is outclassed by a Corvette every :>> time. > What car do *you* own Sal? What car do *you* drive Sal? It's a VW, although I never drive it this fast. http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/Passat%20Top%20SPeed/hpa333km.jpg Gosh, this computer just beeps every once and awhile. >> What car do *you* own Sal? What car do *you* drive Sal? > > It's a VW, although I never drive it this fast. > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/Passat%20Top%20SPeed/hpa333km.jpg Great, now that we've got that nailed down: Install a full cage, window net, some harnesses and descent tires. Buy a fire extinguisher & helmet and, get it on. -- pj I don't drive that fast, it's my friend who drove his VDUB that fast on the track. > Gosh, this computer just beeps every once and awhile. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > pj >> What car do *you* own Sal? What car do *you* drive Sal? > >It's a VW, although I never drive it this fast. >http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/Passat%20Top%20SPeed/hpa333km.jpg Hey isn't that the photo from some guy's purple corvette? Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." WOW, you can't even tell the differences between a VDUB Speedo and a Corvette Speedo? That is a VDUB Speedo and I'll let you figure out what car it is if you're smart enough. On Jul 14, 8:53 pm, The Wolf With the Red Roses <after-dark- a...@cox.net> wrote: > >> What car do *you* own Sal? What car do *you* drive Sal? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, > which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." >> What car do *you* own Sal? What car do *you* drive Sal? > >It's a VW, although I never drive it this fast. >http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/Passat%20Top%20SPeed/hpa333km.jpg Then why do you own it? Pedal a bike. Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." :>On Jul 14, 4:33 pm, Sarah Czepiel <ninety...@cox.net> wrote: :>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 12:52:14 -0700, Sal <jackwhite...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :> :>It's a VW, Really. Got a piccy, Sal? >> What car do *you* own Sal? What car do *you* drive Sal? > > It's a VW, although I never drive it this fast. > http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Sal29/Passat%20Top%20SPeed/hpa333km.jpg "It's a VW?" Gee, Sal, that leaves quite a bit of latitude. You could drive a rusted-out '74 Bug for all we know. -- Mike Smith >Oh, really, what's the fuel economy of a Corvette? What's the >Corvette's Drag Coefficient? What's the reliability record of a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >to Passats? >What kind of ego emmisions do Corvettes put out? Who the hell cares? What's the pussy getting ratio on a Pissant? What about its poontang Coefficient? So it is transportation, BFD, so is just about anything else. Still ain't a Corvette. Even if it's death rate is the third lowest, it had to be from sheer freakin boredom. >> :>What are you talking about? Passats have the MOST horsepower in their >> :>class. >> >> That may be true Sal but a Passat is outclassed by a Corvette every >> time. Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." > Oh, really, what's the fuel economy of a Corvette? 20 city, 29 highway - better than even a V6 B5 Passat, never mind a W8. Why don't you check your f.cking facts before your embarrass yourself even further? > What's the > Corvette's Drag Coefficient? Who the f.ck cares? Design parameters don't count; measured results are what counts. -- Mike Smith On Jul 15, 4:41 pm, Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_sm...@acm.DOT.org> wrote: > > Oh, really, what's the fuel economy of a Corvette? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Mike Smith B5 1.8T Manual is 31 MPG highway, B6 2.0T Manual is 29 MPG(under the NEW guidlines). Passat TDI is 44 MPG highway. > On Jul 15, 4:41 pm, Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_sm...@acm.DOT.org> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > B5 1.8T Manual is 31 MPG highway, B6 2.0T Manual is 29 MPG(under the > NEW guidlines). So now you're comparing a 170 HP or 200 HP Passat, which can't crack 0-60 in less than 7 seconds, to a f.cking Corvette? Give it up already. -- Mike Smith >What are you talking about? Passats have the MOST horsepower in their >class. Passat 4 Cylinder 200 BHP, Passat V6 280 BHP, Passat R36 300 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You obviously know NOTHING about cars thinking that Passats have less >power than their competition. So what? That still doesn't mean that Corvettes are their competition. >> YOU are the moron living in a dream world. Last year Passats were >> 75,000, compared to 34,000 Corvettes. So considering IT'S just another [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> - Show quoted text - Signature"Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." > What are you talking about? Passats have the MOST horsepower in their > class. Passat 4 Cylinder 200 BHP, Passat V6 280 BHP, Passat R36 300 > BHP. That's more than Accord, Camry, Sonata, Altima, Fusion, Malibu, > and Sebring. That's true *today*. During the time when the Passat W8 was for sale, it was most certainly not. -- Mike Smith Yeah, Passats get crappy gas milage. OH WAIT, the 2008 Passat TDI thanks to Variable turbine geometry helps increase power without sacrificing efficiency, resulting in the BEST FUEL ECONOMY of ANY 3500lbs+ car IN THE WORLD. So much for your stupid opinion. > YOU are the moron living in a dream world. 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