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Thinking of upgrading to C5

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Garry Horoupian - 27 Jul 2007 16:21 GMT
Hey Everyone

I currently have a '90 C4 red/black 6-speed and am thinking of upgrading to
a C5.

Is there a particular year that was better than others in terms of
reliability?  Are there things I should look out for when looking at C5's?

Thanks in advance for any advice
Garry
Bob G. - 27 Jul 2007 17:52 GMT
>Hey Everyone
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Thanks in advance for any advice
>Garry

Every year got better and better ... But when you come down to it the
1st C5...the 97 was very good right out of the box...

I  sold my 95 (Black on Black 6 sp) because i could no longer deal
with keeping a Black car looking the way I wanted it to.. then went
looking for a 2000-2002 (Conv or Z06)..no coupe  a couple of years ago
and settled on a 98 silver  6 speed conv.    Older then I really was
looking for but it opnly had 19,000 miles and was super clean ...

Not sorry at all that I jumped on it.. completely trouble free and now
has 24000 on her clock...

So buy the neest one you can get BUT do not pass on the earlier ones
IF they have what you want...

Personally I liked the interior seating position of my 95 better then
the C5's...just more like being in a race car  I guess...BUT the C5 is
much easier to get out of.....even trade in my opinion...

Lots of luck...

Bob G
64 72 & 98 Verts
76 & 79 Coupes
dave - 27 Jul 2007 22:57 GMT
If you give Consumer Reports any credence,  they list the 1997 and 2000
models , in particular, as not very good.  2002  had very high scores as
did 2004 if I remember correctly.   If a used 2005 C6 interests you,
you could get a basic one fairly reasonable as i only paid $39,995 for
my '2006' C6 with the basic 1 LT package  brand new in Feb. of last year
(had to go to Michigan to take delivery of it then drove it back to
Illinois). The C6 has some big improvements over the C5 including no
rattles and stronger performance.
Garry H - 28 Jul 2007 01:03 GMT
Thanks for the info.

I would love a c6 but I'm too pricey for me.

> If you give Consumer Reports any credence,  they list the 1997 and 2000
> models , in particular, as not very good.  2002  had very high scores as
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Illinois). The C6 has some big improvements over the C5 including no
> rattles and stronger performance.
PJ - 28 Jul 2007 03:26 GMT
> Thanks for the info.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> Illinois). The C6 has some big improvements over the C5 including no
>> rattles and stronger performance.

Bought an '02 coupe about 20 months ago--
<20K miles.  It's not a daily driver but gets
a good workout three weekends a month and an
occasional trip for dinner with my bride. Now
nearing 38K.

Expenses to date:  routine fluids, one set of
tires and a dynotune.  I'm quite happy aside
from a slightly tighter cockpit with less
lateral support than in the C4.

Dad hasn't spoken up yet but he prefers the
'03 to the '02.  I believe that the
networking between the control modules was
better on the '03 & '04 than on the '02 and
prior--probably makes for quicker diagnostics.

--
pj
'02 e-blu 6-spd / '89 auto cpe.
ZÿRiX - 28 Jul 2007 09:28 GMT
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> --

I think Dad said his favorite C5 was his 98 he had...

I love my 98, so far it is the only Vette I have owened
but hope to change that soon...
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dave - 29 Jul 2007 16:48 GMT
'I would love a c6 but I'm too pricey for me. '

REPLY:  If  youre looking at 2002  or newer C5's, then youre not too far
away from a used C6 (2005)  that has the basic 1LT package .
PJ - 30 Jul 2007 03:26 GMT
> 'I would love a c6 but I'm too pricey for me. '
>
> REPLY:  If  youre looking at 2002  or newer C5's, then youre not too far
> away from a used C6 (2005)  that has the basic 1LT package .

I think this is a pretty good observation.
Local C5 prices have held well for the last
two years.

I bought for 27.5K almost two years ago and
similar cars are going for that or better
this month.

--
pj
Bob G. - 28 Jul 2007 20:03 GMT
>If you give Consumer Reports any credence,  they list the 1997 and 2000
>models , in particular, as not very good.  2002  had very high scores as
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Illinois). The C6 has some big improvements over the C5 including no
>rattles and stronger performance.  

I gave up on Consumer reports man many years ago... Their opinions are
similar to the bean counters in the home office of many major
corporations and never even remotely like mine...

Oil consumption on "some" 2000's was an issue most were handled under
warranty by having new rings installed... I have no clue what CR
knocked the 97 for...but knowing them it was probably about it would
not hold 3 adults comfortably

BTW...I have Dads Original shopp Manuels he had for his 98...
(complete 20 pound set, I do not see where he had used them at all..

The C6 is really nice BUT for me it is not worth selling my C5
for...Maybe I am hard of hearing as my C5 does shake or rattle
but it does roll...

Bob G.
64 72 & 98 Verts
76 & 79 Coupes
Dad - 29 Jul 2007 04:59 GMT
>>If you give Consumer Reports any credence,  they list the 1997 and
>>2000
>>models , in particular, as not very good.  2002  had very high
>>scores as
>>did 2004 if I remember correctly.

Pure bullshit, but then why wouldn't a 2004 be better than a 1997,
duh!

>>If a used 2005 C6 interests you,
>>you could get a basic one fairly reasonable as i only paid $39,995
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>(had to go to Michigan to take delivery of it then drove it back to
>>Illinois).

More bullshit, yeah you wrote a check for $39,995 and then a check for
$2,600 for state taxes when you got home, plus air fare of $98, plus
gas to drive 400 miles at about $40 and a couple of meals at McDonalds
at $10. That comes out about $42,743 if you had stayed home and dealt
with a dealer in your back yard, maybe even traded in your ol
motorhome to help offset that tax burden. Yes, I know my figures are
all wrong but even you should get my point.

>>The C6 has some big improvements over the C5 including no
>>rattles and stronger performance.

What big improvements are you referring to, and tell me about all of
the rattles that were in the C5s you never owned that are not in some
of the C6s? Ever hear of the top flying off the C5s? Maybe you're
referring to less rear vision or that you have to have it in gear, in
the '05 it has to be reverse to get out of the damn thing, that
includes if you've been hit and are unconscious with it out of gear
with the ignition off; both of which can occur from impact; and your
passenger is wanting to get out; he better know he needs to pull the
eject lever on the floor. Like the airlines I brief my passengers on
how to survive that stupid design. I do love the lights as much as
those that don't drive at night seem to hate them because they don't
look good???

Got to give you the performance increase but you have to stumble onto
one every now and then. Curious as to why you like performance as you
were the one that called us all bad names for willingly breaking the
speed limit and made sure we knew that you would drive in the left
lane at 55 to keep us in check?

> I gave up on Consumer reports man many years ago... Their opinions
> are
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> knocked the 97 for...but knowing them it was probably about it would
> not hold 3 adults comfortably

Most likely because the seat didn't fit their butt to their
satisfaction like the last report I read.

> BTW...I have Dads Original shopp Manuels he had for his 98...
> (complete 20 pound set, I do not see where he had used them at all..

Look again, there are some finger prints in there, mostly to answer
questions of those that didn't have a set and a very few issues with
the '98 that I did look up.

> The C6 is really nice BUT for me it is not worth selling my C5
> for...Maybe I am hard of hearing as my C5 does(n't) shake or rattle
> but it does roll...

I'm with you, keep the C5, they are a great machine and under the
right circumstances I'd have one again. Right now the C6 sits in the
garage and it's cruise time in the '64 with the top down, tomorrow
night a trip around the lake in the moonlight. Silly old
man..............

> Bob G.
> 64 72 & 98 Verts
> 76 & 79 Coupes

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72 Shark Black/Black/4spd
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71 Red/Red/4sp/454

Dave in Lake Villa - 31 Jul 2007 12:06 GMT
'Pure bullshit, but then why wouldn't a 2004 be better than a 1997, duh!
If a used 2005 C6 interests you,
you could get a basic one fairly reasonable as i only paid $39,995 for
my '2006' C6 with the basic 1 LT package brand new in Feb. of last year
(had to go to Michigan to take delivery of it then drove it back to
Illinois).
More bullshit, yeah you wrote a check for $39,995 and then a check for
$2,600 for state taxes when you got home, plus air fare of $98, plus gas
to drive 400 miles at about $40 and a couple of meals at McDonalds at
$10. That comes out about $42,743 if you had stayed home and dealt with
a dealer in your back yard, maybe even traded in your ol motorhome to
help offset that tax burden. Yes, I know my figures are all wrong but
even you should get my point.
The C6 has some big improvements over the C5 including no rattles and
stronger performance.
What big improvements are you referring to, and tell me about all of the
rattles that were in the C5s you never owned that are not in some of the
C6s? Ever hear of the top flying off the C5s? Maybe you're referring to
less rear vision or that you have to have it in gear, in the '05 it has
to be reverse to get out of the damn thing, that includes if you've been
hit and are unconscious with it out of gear with the ignition off; both
of which can occur from impact; and your passenger is wanting to get
out; he better know he needs to pull the eject lever on the floor. Like
the airlines I brief my passengers on how to survive that stupid design.
I do love the lights as much as those that don't drive at night seem to
hate them because they don't look good???
Got to give you the performance increase but you have to stumble onto
one every now and then. Curious as to why you like performance as you
were the one that called us all bad names for willingly breaking the
speed limit and made sure we knew that you would drive in the left lane
at 55 to keep us in check?
I gave up on Consumer reports man many years ago... Their opinions
are
similar to the bean counters in the home office of many major
corporations and never even remotely like mine...
Oil consumption on "some" 2000's was an issue most were handled under
warranty by having new rings installed... I have no clue what CR knocked
the 97 for...but knowing them it was probably about it would not hold 3
adults comfortably
Most likely because the seat didn't fit their butt to their satisfaction
like the last report I read.
BTW...I have Dads Original shopp Manuels he had for his 98... (complete
20 pound set, I do not see where he had used them at all..
Look again, there are some finger prints in there, mostly to answer
questions of those that didn't have a set and a very few issues with the
'98 that I did look up.
The C6 is really nice BUT for me it is not worth selling my C5
for...Maybe I am hard of hearing as my C5 does(n't) shake or rattle but
it does roll...
I'm with you, keep the C5, they are a great machine and under the right
circumstances I'd have one again. Right now the C6 sits in the garage
and it's cruise time in the '64 with the top down, tomorrow night a trip
around the lake in the moonlight. Silly old
man..............
Bob G.
64 72 & 98 Verts
76 & 79 Coupes
Signature

Dad
05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51
72 Shark Black/Black/4spd
64 Red/red/white top/4spd
71 Red/Red/4sp/454'

REPLY:  You were supposed to have me killfilled so you dont read/answer
my posts .  Further,  you still have an anger and resentment problem and
therefore, I wont be answering your post. Ive apologized personally to
you for whatever ive said in the past and i cant do anymore than that.
Regards.

Ken - 31 Jul 2007 16:17 GMT
On Jul 31, 4:06 am, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
> 'Pure
> REPLY:  You were supposed to have me killfilled so you dont read/answer
> my posts .  Further,  you still have an anger and resentment problem and
> therefore, I wont be answering your post. Ive apologized personally to
> you for whatever ive said in the past and i cant do anymore than that.
> Regards.

YOU JUST DID ANSWER HIS POST, FOOL

AND, if you had any damn USENET common sense at all, you might
understand that Dad did and still does have you killfiled. He doesn't
see ANYTHING you post, but will see when someone else quotes your
Bravo Sierra.
Dad - 31 Jul 2007 16:43 GMT
> On Jul 31, 4:06 am, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa)
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> see ANYTHING you post, but will see when someone else quotes your
> Bravo Sierra.

Sorry Dave, I was only pointing out your cheap Corvette buy was not a cheap
buy.

Also all of your religious posting has started to take affect, like those
that hate people for what happened 2007 years ago, don't believe the same as
I/you do and can never let go and live and let live. There also seems to be
an overriding desire to stick my nose in someone else's business now, can I
have an Amen for that?

Dad
ZÿRiX - 31 Jul 2007 23:52 GMT
Praise da load...
Amen!!!

Ah sh.t I here thunder now...

Damnit Dad look what ya got me into now...

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Dad - 01 Aug 2007 15:05 GMT
> Praise da load...
> Amen!!!
>
> Ah sh.t I here thunder now...
>
> Damnit Dad look what ya got me into now...

And then!!!! there is my all time favorite, George Carlin.......
http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm or for those that can't read...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc

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72 Shark Black/Black/4spd
64 Red/red/white top/4spd

CardsFan - 02 Aug 2007 03:43 GMT
>> Praise da load...
>> Amen!!!
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm or for those that can't read...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc

Brilliant.  I'm sure "Dave" is offended, but I LMFAO.

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) *

* - With the weather the way it is, it's my daily driver for now!  :o)
Dad - 02 Aug 2007 04:07 GMT
> Brilliant.  I'm sure "Dave" is offended, but I LMFAO.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> * - With the weather the way it is, it's my daily driver for now!
> :o)
I have the recording but didn't know if I wanted to attach it so found
it easily on the net. I wanted to put a pointer to Jesse Jackson's
baby hotline but I think the PC crowd have them all blocked. Way
funny............

You get over this way let me know, we can get a bite to eat and gossip
about the group. I'm 17.75 miles into Ohio on the TP.

Had to put the top up today so I could lock it up to go into the court
house and not have the laptop stolen, (wanted to see how the
speedometer and GPS speed compared). Could not hardly breath when I
came back out and went to the parts store, top came down before I left
there and was still sweating when I got home, 96 degrees and 85%
humidity.

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72 Shark Black/Black/4spd
64 Red/red/white top/4spd

Dave in Lake Villa - 02 Aug 2007 12:34 GMT
And then!!!! there is my all time favorite, George Carlin.......
http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm or for those that can't read...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc

"Brilliant. I'm sure "Dave" is offended, but I LMFAO.
AJM"

REPLY:  AJM,  Its the/your personal Creator whom you dont want to exist
, that is offended  ;   lots of foolish folks are quite brave.....this
side of death.  Only you can change that.
Ric Seyler - 07 Aug 2007 21:27 GMT
>And then!!!! there is my all time favorite, George Carlin.......
>http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm or for those that can't read...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>  

Maybe not, maybe so.........

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CardsFan - 08 Aug 2007 13:16 GMT
>>And then!!!! there is my all time favorite, George Carlin.......
>>http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm or for those that can't read...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>
> Maybe not, maybe so.........

Let the little hypocrite go, Ric.  Think I'll go read some David Hume.
Perhaps something from Betrand Russell.  Too bad there's not an IQ
requirement to own a Corvette.

AJM
Ric Seyler - 08 Aug 2007 18:06 GMT
>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>requirement to own a Corvette.
>  

LOLOL

>AJM
>
>  

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hmmmmmm - 10 Aug 2007 02:00 GMT
nude clothing anyone??

http://www.22469.com/01gallery/018/01.mpg
'Key - 10 Aug 2007 03:00 GMT
"hmmmmmm" <someone@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
---snip---

plonk....

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Ric Seyler - 13 Aug 2007 17:21 GMT
> nude clothing anyone??
>  
> http://www.22469.com/01gallery/018/01.mpg
>  
>  
>  

Ahhh just as God intended!!!!
LOL

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Ken - 02 Aug 2007 16:47 GMT
> And then!!!! there is my all time favorite, George Carlin.......http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htmor for those that can't read...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc

That is SO fukin' funny.....................and so true!
Dave in Lake Villa - 02 Aug 2007 18:11 GMT
'That is SO fukin' funny.....................and so true!'

REPLY:  This is far better material than what George Carlin offers :

In order to reject the personal obvious Creator , the Atheist must
resort to incredulous silly faith for his practiced religion ; here are
a few non sensicle things that atheists must hold to due to their pride,
rebellion, and arrogance of not wanting to live for the Creator :

1. Tries to pretend that very personal innate qualities of a human being
such as abstract thoughts, moral oughtness, ethical systems, compassion,
empathy, et al ... came from NON personal material such as Hydrogen Gas
, planets, dirt, etc... This is akin to the Pet Rock idea of the 1960's
having 'personality' .

2. Tries to pretend that the vast array of specified complexity such as
Human DNA can come about from the atmosphere when even its co-founder,
atheist Dr. Francis Crick , boldly declared that : " it is IMPOSSIBLE
for DNA to have arrived by accident from the atmosphere".

3. Tries to pretend that the scientifically confirmed 133 (so far
discovered) constant parameters of our Solar System which are all needed
simultaneously / working collaborately with one another , so earth can
be here so we can live on it....came about thru 'natural , accidental
,non intelligence'  purely by chance for no good reason.

4. Tries to pretend that there are no absolute moral laws which he
should live by ... even though he expects and demands others treat
himself with absolute morality ( all the time) .

Now..THAT is so funny and true, isnt it ?!!!
Butcher - 02 Aug 2007 21:05 GMT
> 'That is SO fukin' funny.....................and so true!'
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Now..THAT is so funny and true, isnt it ?!!!

I'm a new Vette owner and don't want to butt in especially off topic but
there's a great book out there called "Tornado in a Junkyard" by James
Perloff that intellectually and logically refutes all the arguments of the
Darwinist atheists.  Ever heard of entropy (second law of thermodynamics)?
Hint : entropy is the tendency for matter to become disordered over time,
Nature requires the INPUT of energy to maintain an ordered state.  I guess
if you read the book in your Vette it wouldn't be off topic...hehe

Thanks for all the great info I've gotten here (not counting the trolls) I
LOVE MY CE!

Butcher
'96 LT-4 Collector Edition
Dad - 03 Aug 2007 00:43 GMT
>>> 'That is SO fukin' funny.....................and so true!'
>>
>> REPLY:  This is far better material than what George Carlin offers

Snip
>> , planets, dirt, etc... This is akin to the Pet Rock idea of the
>> 1960's
>> having 'personality' .

Typical reply and as usual incorrect, the Pet Rock fad was in 1975
only. Where do you get your information off the bathroom walls at the
courthouse? "Pet Rocks were a 1970s fad conceived in Los Gatos,
California by an advertising executive Gary Dahl. The first Pet Rocks
were ordinary gray pebbles bought at a builder's supply store and
marketed as if they were live pets. The fad lasted only about six
months, ending with the Christmas season in December 1975; but in its
short run, the Pet Rock made Dahl a millionaire."

I never compared you personally to a Pet Rock either, would never
insult a rock like that.
dave - 04 Aug 2007 00:31 GMT
'I'm a new Vette owner and don't want to butt in especially off topic
but there's a great book out there called "Tornado in a Junkyard" by
James Perloff that intellectually and logically refutes all the
arguments of the Darwinist atheists.'

REPLY:  Glad you became a member of the worldwide Corvette Club Butcher
 This book you speak of sounds like a British Astronomers quotation
regarding Abiogenesis (life from non-life  fallacy) , as follows :

' The chance that life arose from non life is equal to the chance that a
Tornadoe ripping thru a junkyard could assemble a Boeing 747 from the
materials therein' .
Butcher - 04 Aug 2007 04:34 GMT
> 'I'm a new Vette owner and don't want to butt in especially off topic
> but there's a great book out there called "Tornado in a Junkyard" by
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Tornadoe ripping thru a junkyard could assemble a Boeing 747 from the
> materials therein' .

yes it builds on the fact that through time things tend to become less
organized rather than more, but it goes into many other aspects of
chance/time vs. intelligent design, also does a great job of refuting
theories that the world is very old and changes slowly.  You will think
twice about fossil evidence and rock strata vs. age too, as well as certain
'common sense' problems with rate of sedimentation, celestial movements and
probability theory.  It's a fairly fast read, easy to understand with lots
of pictures I think very well done.  I don't have my copy now as I lend it
out quite often so I really can't give exact examples, but a few things come
to mind -- the odds of the DNA structure coming together is like
1X10(400th), anything over 10(150) is considered impossible; the eye -- how
can separate parts 'evolve' that have no function except when combined with
many others; and how archaeologists date fossils by what layer they are in,
but date the layers by what they find in them (huh?).

Oh, to stay 'on topic' I was in stop and go traffic today here in the Texas
heat and the water temp got up to 225F, never had a car that ran that hot,
too hot?  When the traffic started moving temp would come down to around
200F.  I've made sure the radiator is free of debris and the electric fans
are working (they sound like they don't run very quickly though), does the
C4 just run warm like that?  Would an aftermarket electric fan pull more air
maybe?  How about an electric water pump?  Seems a bit of overkill there
unless one races the car...

Any help would be appreciated, thanks, I'm very much enjoying the group!

Butcher
Austin, TX
'96 LT-4 CE
Dad - 04 Aug 2007 05:28 GMT
> yes it builds on the fact that through time things tend to become
> less organized rather than more, but it goes into many other aspects
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> by what layer they are in, but date the layers by what they find in
> them (huh?).

I got much more out of Breaking the Spell by Daniel C. Dennett or his
Darwin's Dangerous Idea. His books make you think, that may be painful
to some.

> Oh, to stay 'on topic' I was in stop and go traffic today here in
> the Texas heat and the water temp got up to 225F, never had a car
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Any help would be appreciated, thanks, I'm very much enjoying the
> group!

Not out of operating range and if you must don't just go changing the
thermostat to get it lower without tweaking the computer to turn on
the fans sooner.

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Butcher - 04 Aug 2007 18:15 GMT
>> yes it builds on the fact that through time things tend to become less
>> organized rather than more, but it goes into many other aspects of
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> thermostat to get it lower without tweaking the computer to turn on the
> fans sooner.

Thanks Dad for the advice on the books haven't heard of that writer will
check them out.

I know the LT-4 has a 180F 'stat figured a 160F wouldn't really help and
maybe even hurt in the winter if the car thinks it's too cool all the time
but that idea of turning on the fans at a lower temp might, however as soon
as I start moving in traffic the temps come down so I thought airflow might
be the only real problem.  I'd give up a few hp to have that big
engine-driven fan sucking air through the rad. those electric ones seem not
to move a whole lot of air.

Oh one quick question I got a 'check engine' code today -- "bank 1 cat
efficiency low", last week I just replaced the #2 O2 sensor on that side
(sensor heater code)  maybe I should also replace the #1 first?  Don't want
to replace the cat if it's just an old sensor getting a little out of range
compared to the new #2.  Seems like maybe the left tailpipe has a little
more carbon in it than the right, maybe a leaky injector?

Great day to all!

Butcher
'96 LT-4 CE
CardsFan - 06 Aug 2007 16:11 GMT
>> yes it builds on the fact that through time things tend to become less
>> organized rather than more, but it goes into many other aspects of
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Darwin's Dangerous Idea. His books make you think, that may be painful to
> some.

At least one flavor of Christianity doesn't find evolution or a very old
universe distasteful, and in fact has kind words for scientists and
researchers:

http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)

"What a man had rather were true he more readily believes..."

    Francis Bacon
Dave in Lake Villa - 06 Aug 2007 17:11 GMT
'At least one flavor of Christianity doesn't find evolution or a very
old universe distasteful, and in fact has kind words for scientists and
researchers:
http://www.catholic.com/library/Adam_Eve_and_Evolution.asp
AJM

REPLY: Im afraid that this particular 'Flavor' is well known for denying
the authority of The Bible,  adding all sorts of madeup traditions
thruout the centuries, and lately boldly claiming that ONLY their Church
holds the keys to eternal salvation and you have to belong to it.
Further,  Theistic Evolution isnt the way which The Creator chose to
create and is wrought with many problems , particularly Gods character :

Biblical problems for theistic evolution and progressive creation
Address:http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i2/creation.asp
Ric Seyler - 07 Aug 2007 21:36 GMT
>'At least one flavor of Christianity doesn't find evolution or a very
>old universe distasteful, and in fact has kind words for scientists and
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>  

But Dave, the Bible isn't a good argument for your point.
The Bible was written by HUMANS from stories passed down from other HUMANS.
Once HUMANS get involved, personal agendas, distortions and the want to
control others
for their own purposes come into play.

I think of the Bible as a general Guide Book, to give people analogies
and examples,
and in no way to be taken literally. Much less cherry picked through and
parts ignored by many of those who consider themselves "Religious".
Like this bunch of JesusLander/NeoCONS we have in Washington now.
They are the most Un-Jesuslike group that thump their Bibles when it serves
them to do so, and ignore and disobey other parts at will.

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Dave in Lake Villa - 08 Aug 2007 00:14 GMT
'But Dave, the Bible isn't a good argument for your point. The Bible was
written by HUMANS from stories passed down from other HUMANS. Once
HUMANS get involved, personal agendas, distortions and the want to
control others
for their own purposes come into play.'

REPLY:  I used to think this also about the Bible Rick ;  till i
investigated it seriously. It was written by some 30 different Authors
who lived on different continents and at different times in
history...yet it has one common theme : Mankinds sin nature and a Holy
Gods plan of reconciling man back to himself.  When you apply The Bible
to the same stringent historicity test that all Ancient Literature is
subjected to, The Bible surpasses ALL  of them . If you would like to
see for yourself, you can simply do a google under :  Historicity
Testing The Bible , or,  obtain the book : When Skeptics Ask by Dr.
Norman Geisler at www.impactapologetics.com .

'I think of the Bible as a general Guide Book, to give people analogies
and examples,
and in no way to be taken literally.'

REPLY:  Rick,  Jesus Christ took it literally . He said the Bible was
the Word of the living God  and that mankind would be judged by it.  A
short study in Hermanuetics (Biblical Interpretation)  allows the reader
to determine if whats being said is literal, figurative, allegorical,
etc.   I think of the BIble as Gods revelation to mankind and as a
history, science,  and psychology book....its incredible how it cuts to
the marrow concerning the heart, thoughts, actions, motives of man.

'we have in Washington now. They are the most Un-Jesuslike group that
thump their Bibles when it serves them to do so, and ignore and disobey
other parts at will.'

REPLY:  The BIble also teaches how to discern the real from the
counterfiet and warns of those who will put on a charade in order to
decieve many.   However, this doesnt discount the many millions whos
lives have been drastically changed by its Power including Kings,
Presidents, Generals, The Rich, The Poor,  the Affluent,  The Hedonist,
the Murderer,  the Sexually Immoral,  and others from all sorts of
walks.
Butcher - 06 Aug 2007 20:49 GMT
>>> yes it builds on the fact that through time things tend to become less
>>> organized rather than more, but it goes into many other aspects of
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
>     Francis Bacon

From "Tornado in a Junkyard" and a few other tidbits :
1) evolution requires transitional mutations why is it that there are no
fossil records of these transitional forms? (ex. fish with little arms and
legs)  ALL organisms in the fossil record are fully formed without
transitional stages the fossil record does not support evolution theory and
it is true with every class of animal
2) Tom Kemp states in the "New Scientist" -- "fossil species appear
instantaneously in the fossil record, persist for some millions of years
virtually unchanged, only to disappear abruptly"
3) To change species genes have to change first, the theory is mutations
work these changes, BUT mutations are almost always harmful, usually
resulting in the inability for reproduction or even death, in humans it's
classed as 'birth defects'.  It stretches credibility to suggest a series of
'birth defects', step by step, could change a Chevette into a
Corvette...hehe
4) Simultaneous appearance of several gene mutations in one individual has
never been observed
5) the problem of 'half-organs' -- if a lizard changes to a bird in a
million years of evolution how does the arms change to wings without the
arms being useless until the wings fully develop?
6) light sensitivity -- when light first strikes the retina a photon
interacts with a 11-cis-retinal molecule which rearranges to trans-retinal,
this forces a change in the shape of a protein, rhodopsin, that is tightly
bound, then sticks to another protein, transducin, but before bumping into
it it's tightly bound to a molecule called GDP.  When the interaction occurs
the GDP falls off and that binds to another molecule, transducin.  Then the
new molecule binds to a protein called phosphodiesterase, located in the
inner membrane of the cell.  When attached it gains an ability to 'cut' a
molecule called cGMP.  When the amount of cGMP is reduced due to the
cleavage by the phosphodiesterace the ion channel closes, causing the
cellular concentration of positively charged ions to be reduced, causing an
imbalance of charge across the cell membrane that causes a current in the
optic nerve.  Yea right, chance mutations in an evolutionary sequence
'accidentally' made all this happen.
7) Why aren't fish today trying to develop little arms and legs?  If
evolution is happening we would see it in some things today
8) living things are made up of cells, cells consist mostly of proteins.
Proteins are chains of amino acids.  A human cell has over 200,000 different
proteins, each protein has hundreds of amino acids.  Every amino acid has to
have at least one activating enzyme.  They have to be collected by
transfer-RNA.  When an amino acid joins a chain a water molecule is
released, if water is present the molecule will be given back, reversing the
chemical process.  So much for life starting in an ocean.
9) DNA cannot do it's work without catalytic proteins, but proteins cannot
form without DNA and DNA cannot form without proteins
10) the sun loses mass at 4 million tons per second, that means only 100,000
years ago the sun would have been twice as big as it is now.  100 million
years ago, when the dinos were supposed to be thriving on earth the sun's
surface would have extended far beyond the earth's orbit.  Talk about global
warming!
11) the moon is receding from the earth at about 4cm per year, and the rate
would have been greater in the past.  The moon could never have been closer
than about 11,500 miles. Do the math the moon hasn't been around very
long...
12) helium leaks out of the earth's crust at a measurable rate, some escapes
but gravity holds most of it.  Helium comprises only 5 parts per million in
the atmosphere if the earth is so old there should be a lot more He in the
air.
13) earth's rotation is slowing if it is billions of years old the rotation
would have been too fast for it to form
14) the Mississippi River is said to have formed two million years ago but
the rate of sedimentation at it's delta gives an age of only 4400 years.
Sedimentation happens in the oceans too, if the oceans were just a billion
years old the sediment would be 100,000 feet deep, instead of about 3000 as
it is now.  The oceans would have filled up in only 14 million years
15) radioactive decay and the speed of light is used to date things, what if
the decay rate and speed of light is slowing down, the ages would be MUCH
younger (in terms of thousands of years not millions or billions).  And the
distances to other stars and galaxies would be far shorter, would be a much
smaller and younger universe
16)Polonium-218 half-life is only 3 minutes yet everywhere on earth 'halos'
made in the rock by the decay shows up, meaning that the rock didn't cool
slowly from a molten state, it was created very swiftly and cooled very
quickly
17) on April 26, 1890, Arizona Tombstone Epitaph carried a report of a
winged monster, resembling a huge alligator with an extremely elongated tail
and an immense pair of wings, was found on the desert between the Whetstone
and Huachuca mountains by a couple ranchers.  The creature was exhausted
from flying when discovered and was able to fly just short distances at a
time.  The ranchers pursued it and eventually shot it dead.  It measured 92
feet in length, had two feet and it's head was about 8 feet long.  Wing span
was about 160 feet.  Gee sounds like a dino, or a 'dragon' to me, supposedly
extinct for millions of years...
18) after years of plotting galaxies a distinct pattern has been discovered,
seems like the universe is a vast x/y/z coordinate system the galaxies seem
to be lined up in a 3-dimensional matrix, so much for the random scattering
of mass

I could go on and on, and I just did I guess!hehe  In Job 38:4 God has a
question for the evolutionists -- "Where were you when I laid the earth's
foundations?"  The problem with evil is that it comes in many forms.  And
after doing some research on Daniel C. Dennett as advised above I think he
is just another pencil-neck pointy-headed intellectual idiot that has a
massive disdain for anything bigger than his swelled ego.  And I bet he
couldn't even change the oil in his car.  Cardiologist Maurice Rawlings has
written a book "To Hell and Back" in 1993 about near-death experiences.
Many say they see a 'light' or feeling a deep inner peace, but some also
tell of terrors of a 'hell', I wonder why these experiences never seem to
get publicity?

This is all I'm going to say about this and I ask for your forgiveness about
this long off-topic post but I felt these things needed to be brought up.
Remember the 'golden rule' let's be nice to each other and live well and
happy, and let's get out there and have some fun in our 'Vettes, I'm heading
out to do that now!

Butcher
'96 LT-4 CE
CardsFan - 06 Aug 2007 21:31 GMT
> This is all I'm going to say about this and I ask for your forgiveness
> about this long off-topic post but I felt these things needed to be
> brought up. Remember the 'golden rule' let's be nice to each other and
> live well and happy, and let's get out there and have some fun in our
> 'Vettes, I'm heading out to do that now!

I couldn't care less what you think about this topic, nor do I care what you
think about what I think.  All I was doing was pointing out that it is not a
universal demand on Christians to believe one way or the other.  And that is
all I will say, except that, like Dad, I ignore "Dave".

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)
Dave in Lake Villa - 07 Aug 2007 00:00 GMT
'And that is all I will say, except that, like Dad, I ignore "Dave".
AJM'

REPLY:  But Dad doesnt.  But thats ok.
Ken - 08 Aug 2007 16:04 GMT
>  And that is
> all I will say, except that, like Dad, I ignore "Dave".
>
> AJM

A good more, Dimwit still hasn't leasned to keep his annoying
religious delusions to himself...K
Dad - 06 Aug 2007 21:42 GMT
Snip
> I could go on and on, and I just did I guess!hehe  In Job 38:4 God
> has a question for the evolutionists -- "Where were you when I laid
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> than his swelled ego.  And I bet he couldn't even change the oil in
> his car.

Snipped more of the same - Sorry dude, what you just said proves you
have no idea what Daniel C. Bennett thinks or writes. Lets just say he
may have been a non-believer and with much study and much more thought
than you put in this reply he has had a change of heart. I had no
reason to post any writting that was to prove you wrong and if you had
done what was suggested you would have realized that. Now go do the
right thing!!

To answer your Job 38:4 question , why would He have to ask that
question, didn't He already know? Also would be interesting to know
why Job would even write that, but then I quess inquiring minds wanted
to know even back then and made up things to fit that preceived need.
On the other hand maybe he was just another pencil-neck pointy-headed
intellectual idiot that has a massive disdain for anything bigger than
his swelled ego.

Dad

> Butcher
> '96 LT-4 CE
Butcher - 07 Aug 2007 01:18 GMT
> Snip
>> I could go on and on, and I just did I guess!hehe  In Job 38:4 God has a
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> Dad

Dad, no offense to you intended I did a search on his bio and all I saw was
that he was a philosopher, an endeavor more like an artist than scientist
that doesn't have to give any evidence supporting his beliefs or ideas to
incur credence, and what I read of his writings led me to believe he was one
of those humanists that puts everything in neat little piles of 'natural'
occurrences.  I yield as to your greater knowledge of him and if he did a
180 later in life then I guess he too can see the problems of his earlier
writings and admit mistakes.  I will make a point to look for his later
stuff and learn more of his "change of heart", always looking for stuff that
makes me think.  As for Job sometimes asking a question answers another, and
as some question the truthfulness in the words of the Bible I've never seen
anything written that proves anything wrong in it.  In fact the more
historical records found (Dead Sea Scrolls, documents of Josephus Flavius)
the more collaborating evidence is revealed.  I have a background in
biochemistry and the more we learn about the complexity of life the more
utterly incredible it is, something that obviously didn't just 'appear' in a
bowl of 'soup'.  But I bet Bennett still couldn't change the oil in his
car!hehe

Oh and to the other poster that doesn't care what I think who WOULD care
what anyone says on this anyway it's a Corvette forum is it not?haha!

Butcher
'96 LT-4 CE
'Key - 07 Aug 2007 02:42 GMT
"Butcher" <butcher57@swbell.net> wrote in message
> Oh and to the other poster that doesn't care what I think
> who WOULD care what anyone says on this anyway it's a
> Corvette forum is it not?haha!
>
> Butcher
> '96 LT-4 CE

well Butcher,
ya got a point there  ..

<plonk>

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Dad - 07 Aug 2007 03:17 GMT
> Butcher
> '96 LT-4 CE
A philosopher or and artist can't be a religious man? What are the
people that change their own oil supposed to be? Myself I always
though it was nice to have all the religion we can get, otherwise
there would be people fighting all the time ...............aaaaahhhh
crap, sorry they are fighting, forgot. Maybe the present blood bath is
just to catch up with the Spanish inquisition slaughter.. thank God
for those more gentle times in history.

I think I'll once again hide from the benefits of religion and return
to talking about cars.

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Butcher - 07 Aug 2007 03:27 GMT
>> Butcher
>> '96 LT-4 CE
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> I think I'll once again hide from the benefits of religion and return to
> talking about cars.

I guess I shouldn't have read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"
when I was a kid!hehe

Butcher
'96 LT-4 CE
Ric Seyler - 07 Aug 2007 21:38 GMT
>> Butcher
>> '96 LT-4 CE
>
> A philosopher or and artist can't be a religious man?

DING DING we have a winner!!
Of course they can. But many of the "Religious" forget about the parts
of the
Bible that state understanding of and for others......

> What are the people that change their own oil supposed to be? Myself I
> always though it was nice to have all the religion we can get,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> I think I'll once again hide from the benefits of religion and return
> to talking about cars.

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PJ - 08 Aug 2007 01:39 GMT
==========snip ============

Good that you cooled it when you did.

My transcontinental crystal ball had the
"Thought Police" and the shiny black
helicopters converging on Gulf Breeze, right
at sunset!

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Ric Seyler - 08 Aug 2007 18:08 GMT
> ==========snip ============
>
> Good that you cooled it when you did.
>
> My transcontinental crystal ball had the "Thought Police" and the
> shiny black helicopters converging on Gulf Breeze, right at sunset!

Aliens? LOLOLOL
Or just John from Cincinnati?

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Dave in Lake Villa - 06 Aug 2007 23:58 GMT
'Cardiologist Maurice Rawlings has written a book "To Hell and Back" in
1993 about near-death experiences. '

REPLY:  I have this book and its very compelling.  This Cardiologist was
an ardent atheist for many years but he started resussitating people and
took note of their reports, behaviour, etc...  He started tape recording
some of them and eventually became convinced that there was an afterlife
and God was a very real Being . He became a devoted follower of Christ
based on his personal first hand experiences in the hospital he worked
at.
Dave in Lake Villa - 04 Aug 2007 21:15 GMT
'but a few things come to mind -- the odds of the DNA structure coming
together is like 1X10(400th)'

REPLY:  Its utterly impossible . Even atheist co founder of the DNA
structure , Francis Crick, said :' The chance that DNA came about
spontaneously is an impossibility' .

'the eye -- how can separate parts 'evolve' that have no function except
when combined with many others; '

REPLY:  As you may know, Darwin himself said that his ENTIRE THEORY
would collapse if just one example of irreducible complexity could be
shown. The eye and many other parts of the human body thoroughly
discounts Darwinian Evolution of being true. In fact, if he were here
today, he would be utterly embarassed given todays technology. Isnt it
something how people will still hang onto a 19th century 'scientist'
when modern laws of science totally refutes the 'theory' ??

'Oh, to stay 'on topic' I was in stop and go traffic today here in the
Texas heat and the water temp got up to 225F, never had a car that ran
that hot, too hot? When the traffic started moving temp would come down
to around 200F. I've made sure the radiator is free of debris and the
electric fans are working (they sound like they don't run very quickly
though), does the C4 just run warm like that? Would an aftermarket
electric fan pull more air maybe? How about an electric water pump?
Seems a bit of overkill there unless one races the car...'

REPLY:  The C4 does run fairly hot generally, but heres a checklist of
things to look at to get the temp down :
1. Prestone clean and flush the Cooling System and open the block drain
plugs for flushing out.
2. Run no more than 25% coolant to 75% distilled water.
3. Power wash your radiator and condensor coils.
4. Make sure you have seals all the way around both, and if not, add
them.
5. At idle, speed up your car to 3000 rpms and see if the lower radiator
hose is collapsing.
6. Use an infrared thermometer to make sure it is in fact 225 f. in your
cooling system as the guage is indicating. Aim it at the top part of
your radiator assuming the hottest water is entering the top first .
7. Add a bottle of Redlines Water Wetter.

Let us know, Dave.
Butcher - 04 Aug 2007 22:48 GMT
> 'but a few things come to mind -- the odds of the DNA structure coming
> together is like 1X10(400th)'
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> Let us know, Dave.

Hi Dave thanks for the advice, I cleaned the radiator already and looked at
the hoses they are a little soft, I'll be flushing the system soon I'm
waiting for the hoses to come in at my local auto parts store, waiting for
UPS to deliver an IR thermo too I got on Ebay.  There are gaps between the
rad and condenser coil will deal with those too.  Thanks for the advice on
the % mix here in Texas I don't have to worry about real low temps so that
mix should be fine, haven't heard about the Water Wetter seen the bottle at
the store though thought I might give it a try when I pick up the hoses.

One question please -- the car specifies the 'pink' antifreeze but the car
has the 'green' in it now, I know they do not mix but is there a difference
in cooling with either?  I was going to use the 'green' Prestone (I have a
couple gal. already for my other cars) but since I'll be flushing it well I
could change to the 'pink' if it cools better.  I'll post when I finish all
the work and see if the temps come down.

Thanks again!  Oh by the way I read somewhere years ago that Darwin himself
years after his theory was published actually believed he was all wet, he
originally wanted to figure out how God did things here NOT replace Him with
'natural selection'.

Butcher
'96 LT-4 CE
Dave in Lake Villa - 04 Aug 2007 23:14 GMT
'Hi Dave thanks for the advice, I cleaned the radiator already and
looked at the hoses they are a little soft, I'll be flushing the system
soon I'm waiting for the hoses to come in at my local auto parts store,
waiting for UPS to deliver an IR thermo too I got on Ebay. There are
gaps between the rad and condenser coil will deal with those too. Thanks
for the advice on the % mix here in Texas I don't have to worry about
real low temps so that mix should be fine, haven't heard about the Water
Wetter seen the bottle at the store though thought I might give it a try
when I pick up the hoses.'

REPLY:  Reducing your coolant level to 25% and adding a bottle of watter
wetter will immediatly be noticed on how much cooler your system will
run at ;  ive got a 1970 built Big Block (540 h.p/600tq)  and run just
15% coolant to 85% distilled water with 2 bottles of Water Wetter --  if
im going at least 35 mph , my twin electric fans will never come on and
theyre set to come on at 205 f.   Its remarkable how much cooler the
system will operate at. I do however keep my cooling system in peak
condition .  If if lived in Austin , Texas ... during the hottest summer
months i would not hesitate to run without an engine thermostat
installed ;  ive done exhaustive tests with and without a thermostat
installed and in very hot weather it REALLY makes a big difference how
the cooling system works in very high ambient temps.    Youll find that
by moving more water around your engine and radiator from no thermostat
present , youll run far cooler .  The thermostat is essential to bring
the temp. up on the engine asap after first starting the motor and to
maintain a minimum temperature ;  but in the sweltering heat of summer
in Texas,  youll be up to operating temp in no time anyway, and running
without one is highly advantageous in terms of cooling effect.  The old
wives-tale of slowing down the water flow so the radiator can dissipate
the heat better is nothing but a myth ;  if you go on to Stewart Water
Pumps website Forum,  this myth is always being brought up .  Moving
more Gallons per minute is what works and thats why many opt for higher
GPM water pumps.  Ive got a Stewart stage 3 water pump on mine and the
difference over the stock pump is like night and day.

'One question please -- the car specifies the 'pink' antifreeze but the
car has the 'green' in it now, I know they do not mix but is there a
difference in cooling with either? I was going to use the 'green'
Prestone (I have a couple gal. already for my other cars) but since I'll
be flushing it well I could change to the 'pink' if it cools better.
I'll post when I finish all the work and see if the temps come down.'

REPLY: I dont know the Specific Heat rating of the pink or the green .
Sorry.

'Oh by the way I read somewhere years ago that Darwin himself years
after his theory was published actually believed he was all wet, he
originally wanted to figure out how God did things here NOT replace Him
with 'natural selection'.
Butcher'

REPLY:  Either way, Darwin like everyone else who is no longer here,  is
a CREATIONIST now !    A very good scholarly book which i thoroughly
enjoyed so much that i read it 3 times..is the book called :" I Dont
Have ENough Faith to be an Atheist"  by Dr. Norman Geisler ;  even
Atheists have written in and said just how compelling the book really is
 Its available as a featured book at www.impactapologetics.com   .
There is a section in the book on how Darwinian Evolution violates the
many established Laws of Science . The Author is one of Christianitys
best Debaters and on the website there are Debate Videos between him and
Secular Humanists ; it is quite entertaining and educational.

Dave
Dad - 05 Aug 2007 01:48 GMT
Snip
>> 1. Prestone clean and flush the Cooling System and open the block
>> drain
>> plugs for flushing out.
>> 2. Run no more than 25% coolant to 75% distilled water.

Got any information on this mix that you could share? As I remember
the less antifreeze you use the lower your boiling point is, see ---  
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/images/art_protection_chart.jpg

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PJ - 05 Aug 2007 03:42 GMT
> Snip
>>> 1. Prestone clean and flush the Cooling System and open the block drain
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> less antifreeze you use the lower your boiling point is, see ---  
> http://www.peakantifreeze.com/images/art_protection_chart.jpg

I think it's important to balance specific
heat of the solution against boiling point.

Higher specific heat means better heat
transfer from the engine to the radiator and
the less chance of hitting the boiling point.
 Us 'desert rats' think that's a good deal.

I use 50-50 and have good waterpump life.

For ethylene glycol mixes, see:
<
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/ethylene-glycol-d_146.html

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Dave in Lake Villa - 05 Aug 2007 21:10 GMT
2. Run no more than 25% coolant to 75% distilled water.

"Got any information on this mix that you could share? As I remember the
less antifreeze you use the lower your boiling point is, see ---"

REPLY:   The info. i have is from Redline Chemical Co. makers of Water
Wetter.  , and from talking directly with a Redline Tech. Rep.    He
said if you want a cooling system that performs to its maximum
capability to keeps temps down...and have a/c in the car...then go with
25% coolant to 75% distilled water and a bottle of Water Wetter. If you
have no a/c in the car, go with 100% distilled water and a bottle of
Water Wetter.  NOTE: This only applies to summer driving ; if you life
in a cold climate, then correct antifreeze levels must be maintained
during winter use to avoid freezing.    

The Water Wetter has all the anti corrosion properties needed as well as
water pump lubricant.

In my 1970 vette,  i use 10% anti freeze with 90% water which gives me
freezeup protection in the winter down to approx. 15 f.  ;   The car is
kept in my well insulated / heated garage here in far northern illinois
over the winter and ive never seen it get below 25 f. in the garage
without heater operation.  The difference it makes for summer driving is
incredible ; most of the time, the temp is hovering around 180 f. unless
im stopped at a light for an extended period of time.   I do use a
higher pressure rated Radiator Cap of 23 #  instead of the standard 16
#.

Dave
Ric Seyler - 07 Aug 2007 21:25 GMT
>> Praise da load...
>> Amen!!!
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> http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm or for those that can't read...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc

Carlin was the Zen Master. His last concert showed his age starting to
catch up with him a little.
He could remember a 2 hour set without any cue cards taped to the stage
floor, including his
brilliant setups and call backs.

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Garry H - 28 Jul 2007 01:05 GMT
I've noticed the difference in the seats and I agree.  I prefer the c4 seats
as well.

Thanks for the advice.

>>Hey Everyone
>>
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> 64 72 & 98 Verts
> 76 & 79 Coupes
CardsFan - 29 Jul 2007 02:47 GMT
> I've noticed the difference in the seats and I agree.  I prefer the c4
> seats as well.

Never driven a C5 or C6.  Have been a passenger in a C5.  What I'll say is I
like the driver's seat in my '93 a lot.  Never been a passenger in it.  :o)

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)
hmmmmmm - 29 Jul 2007 03:29 GMT
don't think.....

just do it!

> > I've noticed the difference in the seats and I agree.  I prefer the c4
> > seats as well.
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> AJM
> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)
aRKay - 30 Jul 2007 12:24 GMT
> Is there a particular year that was better than others in terms of
> reliability?  Are there things I should look out for when looking at C5's?

Several 2001's had bad rings from the factory and really used oil
 
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