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George Orwell - 18 Aug 2007 14:45 GMT
I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you had with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."

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Crabs - 18 Aug 2007 16:34 GMT
> I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you had with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."
>
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I use American Collectors on my '90 ZR1.
Here's a nice write up that should prove educational:
http://www.classiccar.com/aci_whattoknow.php

In all cases, make sure to READ THE FINE PRINT.

TomC
'90ZR1 #792
PJ - 18 Aug 2007 16:53 GMT
>> I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you
>> had with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."
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> TomC
> '90ZR1 #792

Excellent overview in the link -- in the
"fine print" check for trailering exeptions
or the requirement for a trailering/towing
endorsement.  Some get complex -- if the
truck/trailer is owned by a private
individual the coverage may be different than
when the truck/trailer is owned by a
commercial venture.  (ex:  you own the
trailer as an individual, you're covered, you
own a company that owns the trailer -- you,
as the proprietor of the company, are
liable...ugly stuff.

--
pj
Dave in Lake Villa - 19 Aug 2007 16:38 GMT
I use American Collectors also. On my 1970 BB Vette.  Getting 'agreed
amount' insurance is the only way to go on a classic .
'Key - 18 Aug 2007 19:02 GMT
> From: "George Orwell" <nobody@mixmaster.it>
> Subject: "Classic" Car Insurance
> Date: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:45 AM

> I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or
> bad have you had with the vendors out there. Which would
> you consider "best."

I use State Farm for my 84..
no complaints....
---
'Key
CardsFan - 19 Aug 2007 02:20 GMT
> I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you had
> with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."

Mine's just another car on my State Farm policy with the exception that I
will drive it less than 7500 miles per year.

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)

2000 Acura 3.2TL
2005 Acura TSX
George Orwell - 19 Aug 2007 13:58 GMT
> I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you had with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."

Thanks all that responded. Very good points I will take note of. Crabs, the article was a good explanation and it's exactly the "agreed value" I'm looking for. I love when they quote blue book price and in my case, with less than 19,000 miles, the blue book rate is the same (according to the online info you punch in) as the same year with over 50K. I would sell but I think I took better care of this '87 than most people want to pay for. I don't think the calculations go below 50K. PJ, I'll ask about trailer info...thanks for that tip. Key and Cards Fan, I also have State Farm and presently now have the vette insured with them but never considered talking to them about agreed value. I'll give a call.
Hagerty seems to keep coming up in the research. Anyone dealt with them...good or bad??? Comments invited.
Thanks again guys.

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Brad - 20 Aug 2007 00:38 GMT
I have Hagerty for my '85 and have no complaints. Of course the only
dealings I've had with them is paying my bill. I haven't had to make a
claim, thank God, so I have no idea what they're like in that department.
The quote they gave me was good and there was no hassle getting the
coverage. Hopefully that's the only contact I'll ever need to have with
them. Enjoy the 'Vette.

Brad

>> I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you had
>> with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."
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George Orwell - 20 Aug 2007 02:10 GMT
> I have Hagerty for my '85 and have no complaints. Of course the only
> dealings I've had with them is paying my bill. I haven't had to make a
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> > them...good or bad??? Comments invited.
> > Thanks again guys.

Thanks the comments Brad. They have a good website, informative as does the American Collectors site. If I don't sell the vette this weekend at Carlisle, my next step is the insurance.
Best and thanks again your time.

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Dave in Lake Villa - 20 Aug 2007 02:11 GMT
I tried Haggarty because of all the advertising they do, but, they were
alot higher for the same coverage .
Hal - 20 Aug 2007 04:34 GMT
On Aug 19, 6:11 pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa)
wrote:
> I tried Haggarty because of all the advertising they do, but, they were
> alot higher for the same coverage .  

JFC!
You mean to say that you still haven't learned by that all those ads
cost money, which is going to get passed on to suckers like you,
perfect examples being Geico or Eastwood Insurance
'Key - 20 Aug 2007 04:45 GMT
> On Aug 19, 6:11 pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in
> Lake Villa)
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> like you,
> perfect examples being Geico or Eastwood Insurance

I wish Geico would turn that lizard loose on that caveman
:-)

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Dave in Lake Villa - 20 Aug 2007 22:44 GMT
'JFC!'

REPLY:  No need to act brave this side of death.

'You mean to say that you still haven't learned by that all those ads
cost money, which is going to get passed on to suckers like you,'

REPLY:  I have learned which is why im not a sucker. I didnt sign up
with them.
Bob G. - 20 Aug 2007 13:13 GMT
>I have Hagerty for my '85 and have no complaints. Of course the only
>dealings I've had with them is paying my bill. I haven't had to make a
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>
>Brad
===============================
Years ago before my parents passed away I used to hop in one of the
cars and just drive down (65 miles to their house) to say hello on a
Nice summer afternoon etc.... I asked Hagerty specifically if I would
be cover on such a drive...!

The answer which I never figured out..and I asked twice...WAS NO
...that drive was a pleasure drive..and thus not covered....WTF !

You can bet I would have told the insurance adjuster if I had Hagerty
Insurance and I did have an accident driving down to my parents house
that I was taking the car to my Mechanic to have the front end
alignment checked...which would have been a Covered "drive"

At The time I had 5 Corvettes and a 68 Chevelle  insured by American
Collectors ,,,,guess which Insurance Company I stayed with....!

You really have to ask specific questions... I still do not believe
Hagerty would not cover that drive BUT I did ask twice and got the
same answer twice...so they sure did not get my business...

Bob G.
64,72,& 98 Convertibles
76 & 79 Coupes....
  all including the 98 (they gave me a waver) are covered by American
Collectors
CardsFan - 20 Aug 2007 16:14 GMT
>>I have Hagerty for my '85 and have no complaints. Of course the only
>>dealings I've had with them is paying my bill. I haven't had to make a
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Hagerty would not cover that drive BUT I did ask twice and got the
> same answer twice...so they sure did not get my business...

As an addendum, State Farm does check.  Twice now they've asked me to send
in the odometer reading on the 'Vette.  Sure I could lie, but what if
something happened?  I presume I'd be up the creek.  Fortunately, I won't be
putting anywhere near 7500 per year on it, and as long as I don't I'm
covered for any kind of driving.

I do wonder what would happen to my rate if I had an at-fault oops, though.

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)
George Orwell - 20 Aug 2007 21:44 GMT
> >>I have Hagerty for my '85 and have no complaints. Of course the only
> >>dealings I've had with them is paying my bill. I haven't had to make a
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> AJM
> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)

I just talked to my State Farm rep and was told that the mileage in PA is only 500 per year. That's not going to cut it. I don't drive this car much but 500 is very low.
I don't see anything on the Hagerty site about miles per year. Any input? Looks like American Collectors is 2500 or 5000 per year. Their website isn't too clear on the differences.

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Brad - 20 Aug 2007 23:17 GMT
Hagerty gave me a choice of how many miles I thought I was going to drive as
I remember, 1,500, 3,00, or 5,00 I think. The number of miles you choose and
the agreed upon value of the car determine the cost of the policy. You have
to have a garage for year round storage to be able to insure through them
and you also have to show proof that every licensed driver in the house has
a vehicle registered other than the car you're insuring with them. I went
with 3,000 miles a year but have been only putting on about two. I got a
quote from both them and American Collectors and they were less so I went
with Hagerty. Hope this helps.

Brad

> I just talked to my State Farm rep and was told that the mileage in PA is
> only 500 per year. That's not going to cut it. I don't drive this car much
> but 500 is very low.
> I don't see anything on the Hagerty site about miles per year. Any input?
> Looks like American Collectors is 2500 or 5000 per year. Their website
> isn't too clear on the differences.
George Orwell - 21 Aug 2007 00:00 GMT
> Hagerty gave me a choice of how many miles I thought I was going to drive as
> I remember, 1,500, 3,00, or 5,00 I think. The number of miles you choose and
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> > Looks like American Collectors is 2500 or 5000 per year. Their website
> > isn't too clear on the differences.

Thanks Brad and again I appreciate your time. Did you mean 3000 and 5000 for those mileages? No problem with the other stipulations. It's been in the garage since day 1 and we have 2 other cars so we're good there. I see Hagerty advertised on several of the motorhead shows around the dial but not to eliminate the other one right now. This is helpful. Again, thanks.

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Brad - 21 Aug 2007 13:49 GMT
Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them about
how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are pleasure
driving. You aren't supposed to use the car for work or anything like that.

Brad
CardsFan - 21 Aug 2007 14:18 GMT
> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them about
> how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are pleasure
> driving. You aren't supposed to use the car for work or anything like
> that.

Which is my main bitch with this kind of thing.  I'm not retired, and if one
of my two other cars needs to be in the shop for a time I'm not supposed to
drive it to work, etc.??  I have friends who come to town annually for a
week, and I like to loan 'em one of the two daily drivers and drive the
'Vette for a week for regular transportation, and I'm not supposed to do
that?   All to save a hundred bucks on insurance?  I finally decided to
treat the Corvette like the other cars, but with an agreed value if it gets
totaled.  My insurance agent (who I also consider a friend) made sure I got
what I wanted.  Yes it costs more money, but I can use the car whenever I
please.

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)
Tom in Missouri - 21 Aug 2007 15:42 GMT
>> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them
>> about how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are
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> AJM
> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)

Who did you manage to get an agreed policy from without the usually
classic/collector car restrictions?  It seems everyone I have talked to will
not give an agreed amount on a regular use policy (drive whenever, wherever)
or will always pop in driving restrictions such as not to work, regular use,
and so on.

There really is a need for that middle ground.  This is being discussed on
CF right now, too.  A regular use policy that allows you to declare an
agreed to value.

Realistically, it would be higher than a regular daily driver policy, but
not that much.  The risk is the same, but instead of paying out on a $30,000
car only $25,000, they would still pay the full $30,000.  Actually, when a
car is new, they would be paying out the full amount or nearly that, so it
isn't like this is an outrageous price, unless they have averaged the payout
price over a few years ($30,000 when new, $25,000 when 1 year, $20,000 when
2 years, $15,000 when 3 years, and so on).  Since they could be stuck when a
new car is totaled, I seriously doubt they do that. They are probably
insuring against the highest full loss price, and just never readjust/lower
for the current value.  So really, insuring for a $30,000 agreed value
should be within a few dollars of insuring a $30,000 regular driver at the
start.

I've found insurance to never be a linear amount anyway.  You might pay
$100/6 mo for $20,000 liability. But increasing , you might pay $150/6 for
$100,000.  And maybe $170/6 for $300,000.  Doubling or tripling the coverage
does not double or triple the premiums.
CardsFan - 21 Aug 2007 16:13 GMT
>>> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them
>>> about how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> CF right now, too.  A regular use policy that allows you to declare an
> agreed to value.

I believe he simply wrote a rider to the policy, much in the same way you
can declare stuff like jewelry separate on homeowner's, but I will check
with him.  I would almost be satisfied with KBB value on the car, as I got a
very good deal from the original owner, who wanted his car to find a real
good home.  I've kept in touch with him over the 3+ years I've owned it.
The deductible on this policy is $500,  and the coverage 100/300, I can tell
you that much.

AJM
charlie - 21 Aug 2007 17:31 GMT
>>> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them
>>> about how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> insuring for a $30,000 agreed value should be within a few dollars of
> insuring a $30,000 regular driver at the start.

there are policies like that. at least one i've talked to (allstate maybe?)
who pays for a new car if you've purchased a new car but total it in the
first year of ownership.

> I've found insurance to never be a linear amount anyway.  You might pay
> $100/6 mo for $20,000 liability. But increasing , you might pay $150/6 for
> $100,000.  And maybe $170/6 for $300,000.  Doubling or tripling the
> coverage does not double or triple the premiums.
lab~rat  >:-) - 21 Aug 2007 17:44 GMT
>>>> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them
>>>> about how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>who pays for a new car if you've purchased a new car but total it in the
>first year of ownership.

Are you referring to gap insurance?  Where they pay the difference
between the depreciated value and what's owed on the car?

--
lab~rat  >:-)
Stupid humans...
charlie - 21 Aug 2007 18:55 GMT
>>>>> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them
>>>>> about how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> lab~rat  >:-)
> Stupid humans...

no. it's called full replacement, iirc. basically you pay a bit more and
don't get depreciated replacement for some period of time if they want to
total it. this was only valid on new cars. not having bought a new car since
1990, i didn't pay much attention to it.
charlie - 21 Aug 2007 18:58 GMT
>>>>>> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them
>>>>>> about how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are
[quoted text clipped - 64 lines]
> total it. this was only valid on new cars. not having bought a new car
> since 1990, i didn't pay much attention to it.

see New Car Replacement option in the top box at
http://www.allstate.com/auto-insurance.aspx
George Orwell - 22 Aug 2007 00:17 GMT
> >>>>> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them
> >>>>> about how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
> total it. this was only valid on new cars. not having bought a new car since
> 1990, i didn't pay much attention to it.

My contact with State Farm yesterday had the girl telling me this:
First, the value of the car is not really the driver's choice. She said there are three "sources" of books, not Blue Book or NAPA but "books not in the public" where they will set your value. OK. However, they have the 500 mile annual limit that just about rules out driving it the way you really want to. State Farm, at least here in PA is very restrictive and she even admitted that most people with collector cars go with another company if they want agreed upon value.

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Tom in Missouri - 22 Aug 2007 15:40 GMT
>>there are policies like that. at least one i've talked to (allstate
>>maybe?)
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> lab~rat  >:-)
> Stupid humans...

The full replacement value is a marketing ploy, I believe.  There is so much
fine print on loans and insurance policies, I think they have had to cover
that for the most part for a long time.  Loans require being paid off and
the insurance required by a loan company was to cover loan values and the
insurance companies were well aware of cars with loans on them.

I fully expect every insurance company to be flaunting their full
replacement coverage for the first year of coverage in a fairly short time.

Which means, an agreed value policy for anything you set is reasonable.
Most just don't want to do the paperwork, I'd bet.  And there isn't as much
profit.

If you insure a $30,000 car now, and the premiums are $600/6 mo, they are
covering the $30,000 payout.  But a year from now, and even 3 years from
now, that $30,000 car is worth much less, and has a much lower replacement
cost to the insurance company.  But your premiums didn't go down. If they
did, they may have gone to something like $575 or $550.  At a year, that
$30,000 car is probably $23,000 and at 3 years, it is around $15,000 but the
premium is still like it was closer to $30,000. That is all profit.
George Orwell - 21 Aug 2007 23:17 GMT
> Yes, 1,500 to 3,000 miles per year. As I remember I had to tell them about
> how many miles for shows and "club events" and the rest are pleasure
> driving. You aren't supposed to use the car for work or anything like that.
>
> Brad

Thanks Brad. I'm leaning toward American Collector at this point because the Hagerty site squawks when I put in 1987 for my car. It seems it needs to be 1986 or earlier to qualify. That means I would have to wait until next year which I won't do. An email to cust service tells me they offer a 2500 and 5000 policy with the 5000 costing about 20% more.

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PJ - 20 Aug 2007 22:17 GMT
>>> I have Hagerty for my '85 and have no complaints. Of course the only
>>> dealings I've had with them is paying my bill. I haven't had to make a
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> AJM
> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)

Relax --- good news! Set your mind at ease,
and don't sweat it.  No need to fib.  Unless
you're exempt from smog checks, they know.

I watch this since the C5 is a 4K per year
car and the C4 is insured at 6K.

Years back, my insurance company sent its
members a note regarding "personal privacy
info." Informed everyone that it subscribes
to an outfit in Atlanta that tracks DMV
driver and vehicle records and car
repair/mileage info.

I had a 30 day 'unlimited' subscription to
CarFax early this year.  So, checked all of
our rolling stock.  The C4 had entries for
all the smog checks and a mileage/date entry
when I had a windshield replaced. The C5 had
entries for change of ownership, a smog
check, and a mileage entry when I took the
car to the Chevy dealer for an oil change and
an inspection for any outstanding service
bulletins.  There was a mileage entry with no
comment, just a date -- I matched that up
with a tire purchase.

Don't know what folks get for sending in a
VIN with a mileage hack but they seem to be
very dependable at doing just that.
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George Orwell - 20 Aug 2007 23:30 GMT
> >>> I have Hagerty for my '85 and have no complaints. Of course the only
> >>> dealings I've had with them is paying my bill. I haven't had to make a
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> very dependable at doing just that.
> --

Bet they know how many times we flush and which toilet it was.

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The Reverend Natural Light - 20 Aug 2007 18:23 GMT
> I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you had with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."

I hate to say this, but I saved a bunch of money by switching my car
insurance to Geico.

Progressive added a "High Performance Vehicle" charge for my '87.
That doesn't really make sense considering, by definition, it's easier
to crash a low performance vehicle.  There should be a high
performance vehicle *discount*.

Like others have said, your 19k mile C4 is the same as a 65k mile C4
in the opinion of an adjuster.
George Orwell - 20 Aug 2007 21:59 GMT
> > I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you had with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."
>
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> Like others have said, your 19k mile C4 is the same as a 65k mile C4
> in the opinion of an adjuster.

Interesting. My State Farm policy is less than 300 per year and I have a $250 ded. on collision. However, it totaled, this car wouldn't be worth much. Does Geico have any agreed value built into their policy?

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PJ - 21 Aug 2007 19:46 GMT
>>> I'm looking to insure an '87. What experiences, good or bad have you had with the vendors out there. Which would you consider "best."
>>>
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>
> Interesting. My State Farm policy is less than 300 per year and I have a $250 ded. on collision. However, it totaled, this car wouldn't be worth much. Does Geico have any agreed value built into their policy?

As the real estate folk say, location is
everything. Even with $1000ded. my C4 runs
$480/yr and the C5 is $405/yr. No
agreed-value for either.

Got serious about agreed-value right after
engine and paint work on my old 911. Those
amounted to nearly 3/4 of the book value of
the car.  I went to USAA for an agreed-value
policy and got sent to a subsidiary-- price
seemed high.

A local independent guy presented several
options, assembled a variety of
"endorsements" and "exclusions."  Then,
'shopped' the proposed policy to several
insurers. Got a good price and kept the
policy till I sold the 911 in favor of the
'vette.  Had one vandalism claim that
exceeded the deductible.  The same agent
handled that with no issues.

The exclusions that saved money were: large
deductible, no theft (or "mysterious
disappearance"), no competitive events, no
timed rally events, no racing, no speed
contests, & no timed trials.  Commute OK
3-days a week, 6K mileage limit.  Caravans,
outings and parades were OK.

I live close to the car theft capital of the
U.S. and giving up theft coverage made the
agreed-value policy affordable (just theft on
$60K of value was $375 a year--without theft
the total was less than $ 450/yr).

Bottom line:  Check with a local independent
agent who has several companies to choose
from.  Build the policy...like at BurgerKing.

If you need a garden-variety policy you
probably get a better deal where you buy
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