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schoenfeld.one@gmail.com - 20 Oct 2007 02:01 GMT Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came crashing down on the day of 9/11.
The third building, WTC 7, can be seen here
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329
There is no mention of this building in 911 Omission Report.
Can fire make a building come crashing down at free fall speed?
If you think it can, patent the idea and make billions in the demolitions industry!
How do we know WTC 7 was demolished?
If WTC 7 collapsed in 6 seconds, and it takes 6 seconds to free fall from the roof of WTC 7, then you got it - WTC 7 underwent a free fall.
This means as the each floor was falling straight to the ground it did so without crashing into anything on the way. ONLY CONTROLLED DEMOLITION CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT!
PROPOSITION 1: It took a total of 6 seconds for the roof of WTC 7 to reach the ground. This proposition is supported by the empirical,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329 Collapse start time: 17 seconds Collapse end time: 23 seconds Total collapse time: 23-17 = 6 seconds
PROPOSITION 2: A free fall from a height equal to the roof of WTC 7 would take 6 seconds. This proposition derives trivially through (Galilean) kinematical considerations alone:
Displacement = initial velocity * total time + 1/2 * acceleration * total time^2
or
s = ut + 1/2at^2 where s = 174 m (height of building) u = 0 m/s (building was stationary prior to collapse) a = 9.8 m/s^2 (since gravitational field strengh averages at a constant)
Thus, 174 = 0 t + 1/2 9.8 t^2
Solving for t t = sqrt( 2 * 174 / 9.8) = 5.9590 ~ 6 seconds
BDK - 20 Oct 2007 03:04 GMT > Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came > crashing down on the day of 9/11. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > = 5.9590 > ~ 6 seconds Since the building actually took over twice that long to collapse, your "cipherin'" is meaningless, Jethro. In no way did the WTC collapses resemble a controlled demo. BDK
harvey - 30 Oct 2007 02:17 GMT > In article <1192842075.117524.66...@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > schoenfeld....@gmail.com says... http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1531304,00.html
"" In almost every clip you'll see little puffs of dust spurting out from the sides of the towers. There are two competing explanations for these puffs of dust: 1) the force of the collapsing upper floors raised the air pressure in the lower ones so dramatically that it actually blew out the windows. And 2) the towers did not collapse from the impact of two Boeing 767s and the ensuing fires. T hey were destroyed in a planned, controlled demolition. The dust puffs you see on film are the detonations of explosives planted there before the attacks.
People who believe the second explanation live in a very different world from those who believe the first. In world No. 2, al-Qaeda is not responsible for the destruction of the World Trade Center. The U.S. government is. The Pentagon was not hit by a commercial jet; it was hit by a cruise missile. United Flight 93 did not crash after its occupants rushed the cockpit; it was deliberately taken down by a U.S. Air Force fighter. The entire catastrophe was planned and executed by federal officials in order to provide the U.S. with a pretext for going to war in the Middle East and, by extension, as a means of consolidating and extending the power of the Bush Administration. ""
harvey - 30 Oct 2007 13:05 GMT > > In article <1192842075.117524.66...@t8g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, > > schoenfeld....@gmail.com says... [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > extending the power of the Bush Administration. > "" This is where the whole Wingnut argument falls apart..
- In short, they got us. It wasn't a David Copperfield trick. DIck Cheney wasn't sitting in a toilet stall somewhere, remotley orchestrating the whole thing..
They Got Us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I
Telamon - 20 Oct 2007 05:24 GMT > Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came > crashing down on the day of 9/11. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Can fire make a building come crashing down at free fall speed? < Snip >
How the hell do think steel is made? The answer is yes.
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Venger - 20 Oct 2007 06:34 GMT > Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came > crashing down on the day of 9/11. Most people report they believe in ghosts and UFOs, which when combined with 9/11 conspiracies make three addle-minded make-believe bits of idiocy.
<snipped nincompoopery>
Truthers are stupid.
Venger
pcxmac@gmail.com - 24 Oct 2007 17:30 GMT > schoenfeld....@gmail.com wrote: > > Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Venger Mr. Silverstein, the owner of the World Trade Center buildings admitted to pulling building 7 in a PBS special. see a clip on google video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7750532340306101329 According to several websites building 7 collapsed at or around 5:20 pm, just over 6 hours after the first two towers fell. Pretty impressive demolitions job considering in 6 hours a crew was called up with materials in hand and rigged that 47 story building to blow.
RHF - 24 Oct 2007 18:11 GMT On Oct 24, 9:30 am, pcx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > schoenfeld....@gmail.com wrote: > > > Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > According to several websites building 7 collapsed at or around 5:20 > pm, just over 6 hours after the first two towers fell. - Pretty impressive demolitions job considering in 6 hours - a crew was called up with materials in hand and rigged - that 47 story building to blow.
Yes a Good Example of that All American "Know How" and Can Do Attitude ! ~ RHF .
Dennis M. Hammes - 25 Oct 2007 11:19 GMT > On Oct 24, 9:30 am, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > "Know How" and Can Do Attitude ! ~ RHF > . a.s. It was known in the hour that a building -- I dunno from "7" -- was sufficiently damaged by the junk on and against it as to constitute a hazard to itself and the surround. It was dropped in on itself so that it wouldn't fall sideways. IIRC, one smaller service building (mostly automated) was already crushed.
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BDK - 24 Oct 2007 19:41 GMT > > schoenfeld....@gmail.com wrote: > > > Most people don't know that there were actually 3 buildings which came [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > impressive demolitions job considering in 6 hours a crew was called up > with materials in hand and rigged that 47 story building to blow. It's amazing what nonsense the 911 kooks will swallow. It normally takes months, minimum to set up a building for demolition, but yet the kooks claim it was done almost instantly.
A kook's mind is a terrible thing to...umm, waste again?
BDK
Mr. Strat - 24 Oct 2007 21:39 GMT > It's amazing what nonsense the 911 kooks will swallow. It normally takes > months, minimum to set up a building for demolition, but yet the kooks > claim it was done almost instantly. > > A kook's mind is a terrible thing to...umm, waste again? I used to work with a "truther," and it's scary to see an otherwise intelligent individual get wrapped up in such nonsense.
BDK - 25 Oct 2007 03:29 GMT > > It's amazing what nonsense the 911 kooks will swallow. It normally takes > > months, minimum to set up a building for demolition, but yet the kooks [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I used to work with a "truther," and it's scary to see an otherwise > intelligent individual get wrapped up in such nonsense. I worked with a "Chemtrails" believer, a really smart kid, who seemed to deteriorate over the course of a year to the point he got fired for sleeping most of the time, so deeply that he had to be shaken awake, yelling at him didn't work. When he wasn't sleeping, he was looking up stuff about chemtrails, and sending it to several of us who laughed at him.
I don't know what he's doing now. Last I heard, he was back living at home, and smoking a lot of pot.
Then there's the religious whackjobs. We're down to two, both not too bad, compared to a about a dozen we had previously, who were almost all members of a local "cult" type church. What a joy to be around they were..
BDK
Al - 25 Oct 2007 03:48 GMT > > > It's amazing what nonsense the 911 kooks will swallow. It normally takes > > > months, minimum to set up a building for demolition, but yet the kooks [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > deteriorate over the course of a year to the point he got fired for > sleeping most of the time, so deeply that he had to be shaken awake, Dude was on a mixture of freon and fluoride, probably accidental.
BDK - 25 Oct 2007 18:38 GMT In article <albert.finney000-0CD14B.21485924102007@news- server.tx.rr.com>, albert.finney000@geemail.coom says...
> > > > It's amazing what nonsense the 911 kooks will swallow. It normally takes > > > > months, minimum to set up a building for demolition, but yet the kooks [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Dude was on a mixture of freon and fluoride, probably accidental. It was in the "chemtrails", I guess ;). I think it was actually a combination of allergy pills and booze, with a pot "kicker". That, and he used to eat a huge meal when he came to work.
BDK
Dennis M. Hammes - 25 Oct 2007 11:28 GMT >>>It's amazing what nonsense the 911 kooks will swallow. It normally takes >>>months, minimum to set up a building for demolition, but yet the kooks [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > BDK Oh? What about the Carbon Dioxide Conspiracy? HmmmMMM? It won the Nobel Piss Prize, ya know. Not to mention an /Oscar/!!!1!!
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BDK - 25 Oct 2007 18:40 GMT > >>>It's amazing what nonsense the 911 kooks will swallow. It normally takes > >>>months, minimum to set up a building for demolition, but yet the kooks [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > It won the Nobel Piss Prize, ya know. > Not to mention an /Oscar/!!!1!! Another eevil plot...
Those bastards!
BDK
Dennis M. Hammes - 26 Oct 2007 07:59 GMT >>>>>It's amazing what nonsense the 911 kooks will swallow. It normally takes >>>>>months, minimum to set up a building for demolition, but yet the kooks [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > BDK The "Greenhouse Gas" for Earth (which is not CO2) results in "Global Cooling."
Thirty-five years ago, Al Gore overheard part of a guest lecture by a Famous Personage speaking well outside his expertise, and wet himself. The result is the current "Carbon Dioxide Monster." Look it up, since he said every part of it himself.
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Dennis M. Hammes - 25 Oct 2007 11:25 GMT >>>schoenfeld....@gmail.com wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > BDK Not much of an objection; the main towers were dropped in an hour, remember? And while it may take months to calculate and map the charges for a steel truss, nobody's gonna leave the charges in place for more than a couple days. For stressed skin, you point "here, here, and here." And nobody had to worry about getting rubble on the surrounding buildings, you know.
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barnegatdx@aol.com - 24 Oct 2007 22:27 GMT On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote:
> Mr. Silverstein, the owner of the World Trade Center buildings > admitted to pulling building 7 in a PBS special. < BS Snipped>
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5#wtc7
Jones - 24 Oct 2007 23:23 GMT > On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=5#wtc7 Wahahaha...........Ladies Home Journal has a better article that explains it all. All you have is an article from a hobby mag? Wahahahaha................
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BDK - 25 Oct 2007 03:29 GMT > > On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Wahahaha...........Ladies Home Journal has a better article that explains it > all. All you have is an article from a hobby mag? Wahahahaha................ It towers above the kookpages you read though..
BDK
Jones - 25 Oct 2007 09:20 GMT >>> On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > BDK The only ones I read I am replying to now. You are a real nut case and have nothing but tall stories.
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BDK - 25 Oct 2007 18:36 GMT > >>> On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: > >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The only ones I read I am replying to now. You are a real nut case and have > nothing but tall stories. I'm a nut case?
BWHAHAHA!
I couldn't even dream up the stuff you kooks swallow as proof..
BDK
Jones - 25 Oct 2007 22:33 GMT >>>>> On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > BDK You are the Kook that thinks a group took over some jets they had never flown before and singly handed pulled completely baffled the whole defense system of the USA. You are the nutjob here that is clear. You are incapable of free thinking past what has been spoon fed you.
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BDK - 26 Oct 2007 03:26 GMT > >>>>> On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > system of the USA. You are the nutjob here that is clear. You are incapable > of free thinking past what has been spoon fed you. Wow, you really have lost it, if you ever had it in the first place.
Sanity, that is..
BDK
Jones - 26 Oct 2007 05:49 GMT >>>>>>> On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > BDK This is all you have moron? Wahahahahaha.....What a loser. In your mind everyone that doesn't swallow the sh.t you willingly guzzle is insane. You are really one f.cked up nut case. Wahahahahaha....
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Dennis M. Hammes - 26 Oct 2007 08:14 GMT >>>>>>>>On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > everyone that doesn't swallow the sh.t you willingly guzzle is insane. You > are really one f.cked up nut case. Wahahahahaha.... There was a young fella whose sh.t Contained a small corn-kernel bit Which caused him grave doubt, So he picked it right out While he chewed all the rest, for it fit.
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Jones - 26 Oct 2007 12:10 GMT >>>>>>>>> On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > So he picked it right out > While he chewed all the rest, for it fit. Yup, That's BDK all right. He's always chewing his own sh.t.
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Dennis M. Hammes - 27 Oct 2007 08:56 GMT >>>>>>>>>>On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Yup, That's BDK all right. He's always chewing his own sh.t. I figgered you'd say that. "The dog did it" Syndrome, the whole universe of a two-year-old, standing there with sh.t on his chin, hair, shirt...
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BDK - 26 Oct 2007 20:54 GMT > >>>>>>> On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > everyone that doesn't swallow the sh.t you willingly guzzle is insane. You > are really one f.cked up nut case. Wahahahahaha.... BWHAHAHAHA! Laughing on the outside, crying on the inside Jonesy?
It must be hell to be so insane.
BDK
Dennis M. Hammes - 26 Oct 2007 08:10 GMT >>>>>>>On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > BDK Too yellow to wear a /saxe/, he got his "police" to disarm 288 sovereign Americans whose right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. That way, /nobody/ could show him up by facing a box-cutter and saying, "That's no' a noif."
I.e., it is /impossible/ to take over a plane if only a dozen passengers are wearing short swords.
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BDK - 26 Oct 2007 20:58 GMT > >>>>>>>On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > I.e., it is /impossible/ to take over a plane if only a dozen > passengers are wearing short swords. It wouldn't have taken a lot to stop them, no doubt.
I'm sure Jonesy, if he was on board, could have stopped the hijack cold, using a rubber band and a thimble. He's all mankook, you know.
BDK
Dennis M. Hammes - 27 Oct 2007 09:00 GMT >>>>>>>>>On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > BDK I really must disbelieve you. The thimble would have been toedully tied up in use as brain-armor, and the rubber band where it was the only reason he wasn't actually wetting himself.
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BDK - 27 Oct 2007 20:53 GMT > >>>>>>>>>On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > brain-armor, and the rubber band where it was the only reason he > wasn't actually wetting himself. Ohh the sad sad life of a dribbling, microcephalic kook.
Is he Beetlejuice?
http://www.jollydwarf.com/
BDK
Dennis M. Hammes - 26 Oct 2007 08:04 GMT >>>>>>On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > system of the USA. You are the nutjob here that is clear. You are incapable > of free thinking past what has been spoon fed you. Get a map. Draw a line from Logan (Baahstin) to Idlewild (NYC). Guess what lies 30 seconds flight beyond the base-leg turn onto Idlewild. In short, "the whole defense system of the USA" had 30 seconds to detect /and/ react when the "WTC plane" failed to turn onto base leg. Draw another line from JAX to Dulles. You get to the Pentagon before you get to Dulles.
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Ric Seyler - 29 Oct 2007 16:51 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > #1. Paper argument. Before 9/11 the military would of never shot down a civilian airliner full of citizens.. You know that. So it makes no difference for arguments sake that there is a military defense system in the flight path.
#2. Look at who you are saying pulled this off..... THE BUSH ADMIN. I mean com'on. Have you been paying ANY attention to their competence over the last 7 years? That should be enough to dispel ANY conspiracy theories connecting them to planning AND PULLING OFF the towers collapse. We are lucky every day we wake up and don't find the country in full collapse from horrible and embarrassing actions, policies and public statements from them...........
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Dennis M. Hammes - 26 Oct 2007 08:00 GMT >>>>On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The only ones I read I am replying to now. You are a real nut case and have > nothing but tall stories. And you're just the person to fly airplanes into them, you betcha.
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Larry Bud - 29 Oct 2007 02:11 GMT > barnega...@aol.com wrote: > > On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Wahahaha...........Ladies Home Journal has a better article that explains it > all. All you have is an article from a hobby mag? Wahahahaha................ Or you can read the report from the Purdue University Engineering Department.
http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/2006/060911.Sozen.WTC.html
But hey, who wants to believe an esteemed Big 10 Engineering Department??
harvey - 29 Oct 2007 15:16 GMT > > barnega...@aol.com wrote: > > > On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > > < BS Snipped> Or you can read the report from the Purdue University Engineering Department.
http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/2006/060911.Sozen.WTC.html
But hey, who wants to believe an esteemed Big 10 Engineering Department??
http://ww4report.com/node/2413
- and for all those people trying to milk the " 9/11 Conspiracy industry" cash cow
go out & get a real Job . .
Annika1980 - 29 Oct 2007 16:41 GMT > Or you can read the report from the Purdue University Engineering > Department. > > http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/2006/060911.Sozen.WTC.html Amazingly, when they ran the WTC simulation on one computer, the computer next to it crashed.
Dennis M. Hammes - 30 Oct 2007 11:12 GMT >>Or you can read the report from the Purdue University Engineering >>Department. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Amazingly, when they ran the WTC simulation on one computer, the > computer next to it crashed. When they ran it on the UND computer, a student aircraft crashed, but these Norwegians'll do /anything/ for attention...
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'Key - 29 Oct 2007 17:24 GMT "harvey" <chandler7600@yahoo.com> cross-posted in message ---snip the cross-post---
and you can stop cross-posting !!!
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harvey - 30 Oct 2007 02:27 GMT > > > barnega...@aol.com wrote: > > > > On Oct 24, 12:30 pm, pcx...@gmail.com wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > go out & get a real Job . . and for all those people trying to milk the " 9/11 Conspiracy industry" cash cow
go out & get a real Job . .
Ric Seyler - 30 Oct 2007 18:42 GMT > > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > go out & get a real Job . . > <COUGHFEARMONGERRUDYCOUGH>
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barnegatdx@aol.com - 20 Oct 2007 12:40 GMT http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/06/070612152114.htm
Jones - 20 Oct 2007 13:06 GMT > http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html Popular Mechanics. Wahahahaha........Ladies Home Journal does a nice report on what really happened too. Wahahahaha.........
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Bob I - 20 Oct 2007 14:32 GMT After solving for your lack of brain matter, you're a genuine moron!
barnegatdx@aol.com - 25 Oct 2007 13:08 GMT On Oct 19, 9:01 pm, schoenfeld....\
> Solving for t < SNIP>
Here.. another Video on 9/11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I
lib - 27 Oct 2007 06:03 GMT My ex-wife's cousin, twice-removed, on her mother's side of the family said that she had inside information that there was a irreplacable, world-class collection of early Corvettes in WC7. She asked that we keep that info out of the media. Please respect her wishes, as I have.
> On Oct 19, 9:01 pm, schoenfeld....\ > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I Dennis M. Hammes - 27 Oct 2007 09:02 GMT > My ex-wife's cousin, twice-removed, on her mother's side of the family said > that she had inside information that there was a irreplacable, world-class > collection of early Corvettes in WC7. She asked that we keep that info out > of the media. Please respect her wishes, as I have. Are you trying to tell me that somebody with that much inside information didn't know about the Dusenbergs? Pf.
>>On Oct 19, 9:01 pm, schoenfeld....\ >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I
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Neil Ellwood - 27 Oct 2007 11:22 GMT > My ex-wife's cousin, twice-removed, on her mother's side of the family > said that she had inside information that there was a irreplacable, > world-class collection of early Corvettes in WC7. She asked that we keep > that info out of the media. Please respect her wishes, as I have. Is the door locked or is her foot just holding it shut? Is there fresh toilet paper in there? Has the cloakroom attendant visited today? Who is in the next cubicle?
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RHF - 28 Oct 2007 11:12 GMT On Oct 27, 3:22 am, Neil Ellwood <cral.elllwo...@btopenworld.com> wrote:
> > My ex-wife's cousin, twice-removed, on her mother's side of the family > > said that she had inside information that there was a irreplacable, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is the door locked or is her foot just holding it shut? Is there fresh > toilet paper in there? Has the cloakroom attendant visited today? - Who is in the next cubicle?
None other than 'CSM' Spender.
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