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Help justifying a vette

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Windad - 29 Oct 2007 16:50 GMT
Hi folks
Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy a
vette.  Thinking about a C5, maybe a Z06.
Owned a '65 way back in the early 70's.  Wonderful car that was stolen and
totalled. Never got it out of my system.

So perhaps it's time to try again.

But here is the thing... although we are well off, we aren't rich and $25K
or more for a "dad's toy" is a tough sell to my lovely but tough-minded
wife.
I need some good reasons why this would be a good idea.
I can't really use the "investment" argument.  I just sold a Harley I owned
for 7 years, and I used the "investment" angle with it.  While the bike held
its value pretty well, she knows these things are not really decent
investments from a financial perspective.
How about the "cheaper than a shrink or a girlfriend" approach?  Anyone use
that?

Any other suggestions?
'Key - 29 Oct 2007 17:17 GMT
> Hi folks
> Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel
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>
> Any other suggestions?

take your wife down to the dealer and have her drive a
vette.
as far as a Harley as an investment. I had a 1990 fxrs for
three years, paid 10K, sold it for 9K, they sold it for 10K
and they sold it for 12K.
keep in mind that it was 15 years back. the resell is not
quiet the same these days.

g'luck
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Bob G. - 29 Oct 2007 19:11 GMT
>Hi folks
>Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy a
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>
>Any other suggestions?

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Well I retired in 1998....and the way I got my C5 was to  take the
wife on the 1999 National Corvette Caravan in my 72 ... BEAT THE
LIVING HELL out of both of our "old" bodies...  Wife gave me strict
orders that UNLESS I purchased a newer Corvette she would NEVER do
that kind of trip again... BTW it helped that I limited her to 2 pair
of shoes for the trip (one pair on her feet and a second pair jamed in
the car anyplace she could find BUT the top had to DOWN...

She also had a Hot Tub installed in the bacikyard within a week after
we returned home since she discovered just how "healtfull" hot tubs
are for relaxing a stiff and sore back after driving hunderends of
miles in a old Corvette every day for a week... LOL

You can use the investment "angle" if you forgo a NEW Vette and buy
another Midyear ... No you will not get a big ROI but if you can
handle a 3-5 % return per year the midyear should give you that less
insurance etc.. better then taking depreiation losses every year with
a newer Corvette.

We (the wife and I") are not rich either but I never figured Social
Security into our income when I did my retirement planning and
calculations and now that she gets her check on the 2nd Wednesday of
each month and I get mine on the 3rd Wednesday of the month  LIFE IS
GOOD....  She wants yet another sewing machine and I need (not want) a
larger Telescope ...SS will fund both...LOL

You are NEVER too OLD to have a Happy Childhood... !!!!!!

Bob G.
64 72 & 98 Convertibles
76 & 79 Coupes
Charlie - 29 Oct 2007 20:39 GMT
I'm not retired and I drive my 93 all the time.  As for the wife, I started
out it would be a great date night car.  We use it for a lot more now that
the kids are all gone, but we still have date night and it gives us time to
ourselves.  With a Corvette, you can't take the kids or a group of others.
It's the best investment in our marriage that we ever made.  It used to be
that every so often, I'd show up at the door  with a rose and ring the bell
like a real date.  She always thought that was a romantic thing to do.  I
believe it kept our marriage young.

> Hi folks
> Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy
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>
> Any other suggestions?
Sarah Czepiel - 30 Oct 2007 00:14 GMT
:>Hi folks
:>Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy a
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:>wife.
:>I need some good reasons why this would be a good idea.

Why do you need any reasons?   Tell your wife to look around and take
stock of  all you've done for her and the family.  You worked hard to
support the family, providing them with a good home, food to eat, and
a place they could always feel safe.   Along the way you made a lot of
sacrifices for them.    Now you'd like a " toy".  

Not to sound critical but frankly I've never understood women like
your wife.   If the husband is a good provider, a good husband, and
good father, not abusive, doesn't run around on you, etc.etc.  LET THE
GUY HAVE A DAMN CAR!!    You spent your life trying to please her I'll
bet, now it's her turn.  

Good luck.   :)
Windad - 30 Oct 2007 00:24 GMT
Oh yeah!
Where were you when I was lookin'?

> :>Hi folks
> :>Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to
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>
> Good luck.   :)
Sarah Czepiel - 30 Oct 2007 03:11 GMT
:>Oh yeah!
:>Where were you when I was lookin'?

LOL.    Already married.   :)  

:>> On Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:50:04 -0400, "Windad" <mm909@hotmail.com>
:>> wrote:
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:>> Good luck.   :)
Andrew DeFaria - 22 Nov 2007 17:08 GMT
> :>Hi folks
> :>Need a little advice. Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to
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>
> Good luck. :)
Personally I'd tell here it's either a new model vette or a new model
wife - her choice!
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Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.

tww1491 - 30 Oct 2007 00:33 GMT
> Hi folks
> Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy
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>
> Any other suggestions?

What a Vette cost you back in 65 is nowhere what it costs today in terms of
constant $s.  I paid right at $6,100 in 1971 for a 454 roadster 4 speed with
ac etc.  In terms of tdoay's dollars that is around $32k.  I am glad I was
able to have my fun when I was a good bit younger -- a single Captain in the
USAF.
Lawrence Lugar - 30 Oct 2007 01:02 GMT
get the vette, lol - specially if it's red, and you're an older guy...all
the other drivers will think mid-life crisis

> Hi folks
> Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy
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>
> Any other suggestions?
JimH - 30 Oct 2007 01:45 GMT
> get the vette, lol - specially if it's red, and you're an older guy...all
> the other drivers will think mid-life crisis

You got it. Windad, tell your wife that for your midlife crisis, your
going to get a Vette instead of chasing younger women. Of course, then
you'll have to pass on the younger women, but what the heck, you'll have
a Vette. :-)

I've got a nice '93, but my wife keeps telling me that I should buy a
new C6. She explained it that I've never had a brand new Vette, and I
worked hard all those years before retiring, and now I deserve a new
one. She's beautiful, and cooks well too. I'm a lucky man!
CardsFan - 30 Oct 2007 02:28 GMT
>> get the vette, lol - specially if it's red, and you're an older guy...all
>> the other drivers will think mid-life crisis
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> hard all those years before retiring, and now I deserve a new one. She's
> beautiful, and cooks well too. I'm a lucky man!

I never got any static about buying my '93 either.  I was going to spend a
lot more on a restored '70 Chevelle SS 396 with the rockcrusher trans, but
when it came down to it I didn't really want a car that big.  The '93 has
more amenities (wish it had a passenger airbag though), and it cost under
11K from the seller.  Yes, I've put some $ into it and will continue to, but
it's mine and will be for life.  Will I buy another one?  Maybe, just
maybe...  :o)

To the OP:  buy the car, man.  You won't regret it.

AJM
'93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops)
Dad - 30 Oct 2007 02:00 GMT
> get the vette, lol - specially if it's red, and you're an older
> guy...all the other drivers will think mid-life crisis

What's a mid-life crisis these older people are having? Is that like
all of the young people using dope to be something they are not? May
be to hide from the future or the today they can't face?  You think
you'll even make it to be that "older guy" some day or just stick with
your magazines that you read allot???

As I watch your posts you make me wonder what car you might be driving
or if you ever drive yet.

Since I'm older and drive one Corvette that is red am I in a mid-life
crisis that started in the fall of 1956? What would that be called as
I was fifty years younger then? I surely won't be considered a
"mid-life crisis" person today as I doubt that I'll top 140 years of
age.

Inquiring minds want to know.............

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Dad
05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51
72 Shark Black/Black/4spd
64 Red/red/white top/4spd

LotzaLoot - 30 Oct 2007 03:02 GMT
Some day you're going to be lying on your deathbed.

Will you be lying there regretting not doing the things you really
wanted to do, because you couldn't quite find a good enough reason to
"justify" it?

GET THAT VETTE!!!
pj - 30 Oct 2007 03:21 GMT
> Hi folks
> Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy a
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>
> Any other suggestions?

Welcome to the world of the senior's menu.  Also dinner at the local
"early-bird-special."

Hate to generalize about women but they frequently view an auto as
something in which to be seen.

That dark sedan doesn't stand out in valet parking at 7 p.m. but a
'vette will show her off as a femme of fine taste (in both cars and men)
at 5:30 in the afternoon.  Promise her a regular ride to the
early-birds.  It's yours on weekend mornings.

Oh yeah, show an understanding for brand names like Bernina, Pfaff,
Necchi and Elna.  (and preferably before the dollar sinks any further
against the Euro)  No, you never heard of your mother's White or Singer!

--
pj
Bob G. - 31 Oct 2007 14:28 GMT
>That dark sedan doesn't stand out in valet parking at 7 p.m. but a
>'vette will show her off as a femme of fine taste (in both cars and men)
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>Necchi and Elna.  (and preferably before the dollar sinks any further
>against the Euro)  No, you never heard of your mother's White or Singer!
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Boy I sure reconize thoise brand names...  My wife is hung up on
Berninas...   $$$$ for the machine is one thing  but ghee the cost of
a  computer and software sure drives up the price ...
 
At least  I get shirts& hats "custom" made for me...and my wife enjoys
"creating" items for herself... so I'm a happy man...

Bob G.
Tom in Missouri - 30 Oct 2007 03:26 GMT
Any new Corvette or Harley is not an investment.  One a couple of years old
can a be a fair hedge on inflation, or just a sound way to buy, as the
selling price will be close to the buying price.

The investment comes with the older ones, and you need to know what you are
doing, like everything else in life.  If it was so easy anyone could do it,
they would.

So if you want one, buy it. There isn't any justification other than you
want it.  Mileage is good, but they are not an economy car.  The Z06 is
worse than the regular Corvette.  So if you try the gas mileage angle, most
small cars will blow it away.

Buy it, have fun, include the wife, and it will go ok.  You may have to
forego the 6 speed if you want her to drive it, and you probably do if you
want her to buy into the whole thing.

> Hi folks
> Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy
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>
> Any other suggestions?
Charlie - 30 Oct 2007 05:32 GMT
Nah, mine's a 93 auto and my wife has never driven it, neither has anyone
else.  She's fine with just being a passenger.

> Any new Corvette or Harley is not an investment.  One a couple of years
> old can a be a fair hedge on inflation, or just a sound way to buy, as the
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>>
>> Any other suggestions?
Brad - 30 Oct 2007 05:31 GMT
I'm a bit younger, 51, and won't be retiring any time soon but I just
decided a couple years back that I was going to buy my Vette.

I had loved the cars since childhood when the single guy who lived across
the street got his new one in '68. It was the first year of the new model
and I just thought it was the greatest thing I had ever seen. Looking back
now the maroon '66 C3 he traded in on it was the better car but at the time
the new "Shark" body style just knocked me over.

I told myself then that someday I'd have a Vette... but I was married at 20
and didn't make any real money until several years later. By then between
some health issues for my wife, a house, adoption costs and finally my
daughter (all much more important than a car for sure) I kind of forgot
about ever becoming a Vette owner. Then a couple of years ago, for whatever
reason I realized I was in a position to finally go for it as long as I kept
it within a very modest budget.

I didn't clear it with my wife, I just started looking. I watched the local
classifieds, checked E-Bay for Vettes within 100 miles or so and stopped
whenever I saw one for sale in someone's driveway. I don't think she really
thought I was serious until I told her I found what I was looking for and
was going to make an offer.

When I brought it home she had no real interest and wasn't particularly
happy but she also wasn't upset. It's a red '85 with a ton of miles but runs
great and with a little tlc now looks pretty good too. Funny but now when
it's just the 2 of us going somewhere she asks if we'll be taking the Vette.
She even likes to use it herself when she can.

My car will never win any awards at a show and it sure isn't the fastest
around but I enjoy the hell out of it and so does she. It's the most fun
either of us has had in a car since the back seat of my '68 Charger when we
were teenagers! Anyway, my advice is let her know you would really like a
Vette, start looking around for what you want, then just make the leap and
take her for a ride. She'll warm up to the idea quickly.

Brad

> Hi folks
> Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy
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>
> Any other suggestions?
Butcher - 30 Oct 2007 16:00 GMT
> I'm a bit younger, 51, and won't be retiring any time soon but I just
> decided a couple years back that I was going to buy my Vette.
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>
> Brad

I'm about your age and just got my first 'Vette a few months ago, always
liked them but was into motorcycles since age 10 and airplanes since I was
20.  After back surgery my bike track days are over and the Piper I owned
for 20 years got to be too much effort and expense so I thought a car for
track days would be a good substitute.  Wanted a ZR-1 but settled on a LT-4
great motor I've kept up with 400hp Z06s on the track and almost as good
handling and brakes as my old RX-7 but a lot more power.  What surprised me
was how well a street car it is -- great stereo, very comfortable (once
you're in the seats, hard to get in and out of though) and good fuel mileage
(lots better than my RX-7!).  And I love the two tops (or none).  It also
has all the 'bells and whistles' of my Lexus.  I'm very happy with my '96
Collector Edition and the best part -- found it on Ebay and was high bidder
at $8500!  It's got about 150K miles now but it looks almost brand new (even
the seats), needed new tires and some cleanup and all the fluids flushed
(previous owner lived in the country over miles of dirt roads!) but had a
new clutch and tranny when I bought it.  I'm VERY happy with the car I've
been offered $14K for it didn't take even a second to say NO!  It doesn't
always take a lot of money to get a 'Vette just some time finding the right
one.  And it helps if you can twist the wrenches yourself...

Butcher
'96 LT-4 CE
Tikbalang - 30 Oct 2007 18:37 GMT
The corvette is totally impractical and there is no justification for
it.
You need to forget this insanity and ride the bus.
Yes, the bus is the only justifiable and sensible thing to do. Ride
the bus. Buy a monthly pass to get a discount.
Life is not about passion and fun and excitement. It's about hauling
your old a.s from point A to point B in a safe, dull, and justifiable
manner.
Get on the bus, Gus.
That's the plan, Stan.
Windad - 30 Oct 2007 19:17 GMT
Ya make me want to snort, Mort
There ain't no life without a car, Omar
I really want a vette, Chet
Don't like what you sang, Tikbalang

> The corvette is totally impractical and there is no justification for
> it.
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> Get on the bus, Gus.
> That's the plan, Stan.
Tom in Missouri - 31 Oct 2007 06:43 GMT
You guys are picking on Tikbalang, but I see exactly what he is doing.

You asked for justification, and like I did, you got an answer about
justification.  There is none. You want sensible, buy a Cobalt or a Focus or
like Tikbalang said, ride the bus.

Corvettes are not about justification. They are not about sensible. They are
about emotions.  They are about going fast, wind in your hair, around a
corner like you can't believe, and then doing it all over and over again.

Plain and simple, if you want one, go get it.

Just don't try to justify it as cheaper than a girlfriend, better than
therapy, etc.  Just go buy the thing.

But only after you ask here and a few other places for advice on what to buy
and what to look for.

> Ya make me want to snort, Mort
> There ain't no life without a car, Omar
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>> Get on the bus, Gus.
>> That's the plan, Stan.
'Key - 30 Oct 2007 21:05 GMT
> The corvette is totally impractical and there is no
> justification for
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> Get on the bus, Gus.
> That's the plan, Stan.

sounds like ya never could afford any perks in life :-)
note:
ya gotta pay to play Tikbalang ............

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lab~rat  >:-) - 30 Oct 2007 19:50 GMT
>Hi folks
>Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy a
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>Any other suggestions?

Don't take this the wrong way, but grow some balls and tell the old
ball and chain that if you drive the crappy car you drive now, you are
only gonna be able to pick up ugly girls with diseases.  If you get a
vette, you'll get a better class of broads and you won't be bringing
any clap home to her.  Butch up, pal.

;)

--
lab~rat  >:-)
Stupid humans...
Windad - 31 Oct 2007 18:49 GMT
Many thanks to all who have responded.

Several have pointed out that if she buys into the car by getting some
benefit out of it, things will go easier.  I think that's right, but I need
to look for a combination that works for her.  She isn't the "hair blowing
in the wind - high society" type of woman.  But if she enjoys being in the
car... well, it's gotta help.  The challenge is to understand the
pleasurable side of it from her perspective before I buy the car.  If I just
buy the car, she will feel like I have jammed her, yet again, and I'll never
get a chance to show her it is fun.  That happened with the Harley.  She
never got on it with me.

I really want to avoid buying the car in spite of her objection.  Done
things like that before, and it's a great way to win battles and lose wars.
Those of you married for a long time know what I'm talking about.  Sometimes
the shortest distsnce between two points is not a straight line.

However, this forum is about vettes, so I shall cease and desist with all
non-vette discussion.

thanks

> Hi folks
> Need a little advice.  Just retired this year, and I feel the pull to buy
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>
> Any other suggestions?
WayneC - 31 Oct 2007 19:59 GMT
Too bad you didn't keep the Harley just a little longer, since she didn't
like it, it might have come in handy as a bargaining chip.

> Many thanks to all who have responded.
>
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>
> thanks
Homer Brinlee - 02 Nov 2007 02:41 GMT
<snip>
> I really want to avoid buying the car in spite of her objection.  Done
> things like that before, and it's a great way to win battles and lose
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>
> "Windad" <mm909@hotmail.com> wrote in message

Having been married for 31 years,
I've discovered the best way to resolve something like this,
is to convince the wife that it was her idea to begin with.
Best of Luck

Homer
dave - 02 Nov 2007 02:52 GMT
'I need some good reasons why this would be a good idea. I can't really
use the "investment" argument. I just sold a Harley I owned for 7 years,
and I used the "investment" angle with it. While the bike held its value
pretty well, she knows these things are not really decent investments
from a financial perspective. '

REPLY:  Id show her a nice picture of a 1970's Corvette and say :"
Honey...I just want you to know something ;  I think your curves are
even better than the curves and lines of this gorgeous  Corvette !"   .
After she is finished blushing and thanking you profusely,  say :" I
think YOU sitting in this Corvette would simply put icing on the cake
and Id like to find one with an automatic transmission in your favorite
color .  Is your favorite color still _______"?  (fill in the blank)

Then you tell her later on in the week, youre going to devout 'a little
bit of time' to finding the right one that matches her .  

Thats it..its just that simple.  Let us know what she says .

Dave
1970 Coupe, Big ol'Block with all the trimmings.
JCORVETTE 72&75 - 07 Nov 2007 13:54 GMT
its a toy..
u dont have to justify toys

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