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Corvette ZR1 : Sold
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Lawrence Lugar - 21 Jan 2008 20:46 GMT for 1M at the Barret Jackson show...
paying 10X msrp just for the right to claim the very first one off of the production line...that's steep!
Uncle_vito - 23 Jan 2008 02:43 GMT That is stupid. Glad the money was given to Charity. Else the seller, GM, really did find a royal fool.
> for 1M at the Barret Jackson show... > > paying 10X msrp just for the right to claim the very first one off of the > production line...that's steep! 'Key - 23 Jan 2008 18:14 GMT > That is stupid. Glad the money was given to Charity. > Else the seller, GM, really did find a royal fool. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> paying 10X msrp just for the right to claim the very >> first one off of the production line...that's steep! nothing "stupid about giving money to a good charity. also, GM will not get anything more than their price. GM just might be donating to the charity...
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Bob I - 23 Jan 2008 03:12 GMT First 90% of that went to United Way and is tax deductible AND that guy raised his own bid from 900k to an even 1 mill. That guy also bought the 003 Vin 1953 'vette for a million. Vin 001 will be a unique vehicle and the guy figures it was worth it.
> for 1M at the Barret Jackson show... > > paying 10X msrp just for the right to claim the very first one off of > the production line...that's steep! Uncle_vito - 23 Jan 2008 04:28 GMT Only thing is is that there is a big difference between the very first Corvette and this ZR1, the 3rd incarnation of that performance option.
Also, typical of GM, they are likely to produce a 2010 ZR1 with 660 HP rather than the 630hp of this 2009 car, effectively killing the value of this guys million dollar car.
> First 90% of that went to United Way and is tax deductible AND that guy > raised his own bid from 900k to an even 1 mill. That guy also bought the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> paying 10X msrp just for the right to claim the very first one off of the >> production line...that's steep! CardsFan - 23 Jan 2008 05:07 GMT > Only thing is is that there is a big difference between the very first > Corvette and this ZR1, the 3rd incarnation of that performance option. > > Also, typical of GM, they are likely to produce a 2010 ZR1 with 660 HP > rather than the 630hp of this 2009 car, effectively killing the value of > this guys million dollar car. He doesn't care. Why do you?
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Uncle_vito - 23 Jan 2008 06:06 GMT Because I do not like GM. They are a second rate car company.
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>> Only thing is is that there is a big difference between the very first >> Corvette and this ZR1, the 3rd incarnation of that performance option. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > AJM > '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) 'Key - 23 Jan 2008 19:25 GMT > Because I do not like GM. They are a second rate car > company. > > V thats your opinion of GM. not everyones opinion...
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>>> Only thing is is that there is a big difference between >>> the very first Corvette and this ZR1, the 3rd [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> AJM >> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Uncle_vito - 24 Jan 2008 00:14 GMT Since more Toyotas than GM vehicles are sold in the world, there are a lot of folks that agree with me.
GM seems to be able to only sell trucks and Corvettes and a few Cadillacs. The Corvettes and Cadillacs are only sold to those folks over 65 years of age.
Anything wrong with this picture?
Vito
>> Because I do not like GM. They are a second rate car company. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> AJM >>> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Charlie - 24 Jan 2008 00:50 GMT I beg your pardon, I've owned Corvettes since I was 18 and am only 52 now.
> Since more Toyotas than GM vehicles are sold in the world, there are a lot > of folks that agree with me. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>>> AJM >>>> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Uncle_vito - 24 Jan 2008 01:37 GMT Well you tell me, why don't 18 year olds drive new Corvettes. Because they can get cars just as fast for half the money (Mustang). GM has basically abandoned these kids.
The 'cool' factor of Corvettes has disappeared because only old farts drive them. Kids do not want to drive what old farts drive.
Same for Cadillac. Look at the GM on star commercial for Cadillac. Grandma is trapped in the car and can't get out. MY GAWD. GM marketing must be made ot TOTAL IDIOTS.
You being excepted when it comes to age and the Corvette.
Vito
>I beg your pardon, I've owned Corvettes since I was 18 and am only 52 now. > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>>>> AJM >>>>> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Charlie - 24 Jan 2008 02:04 GMT I'm not sure you have it right on this. Kids today want the cars that were promoted in the movies they see, like in Fast & Furious. I was the same when we were growing up, the Corvette was the elusive vehicle of the movies and many kids wanted them and got them. My son loves my Corvettes, but when he went to get a new car, he chose a Subaru WRX turbo (235 hp and much lighter than a Corvette). And, these kids are spending well over what a Corvette costs on these cars. It's just a generational thing.
> Well you tell me, why don't 18 year olds drive new Corvettes. Because > they can get cars just as fast for half the money (Mustang). GM has [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >>>>>> AJM >>>>>> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Lawrence Lugar - 24 Jan 2008 04:36 GMT good reply, Charlie. about the generational thing. that's why all the buyers of classic American muscle cars, are guys who salivated over them in the 60s and 70s.
lol - that's why I'm absolutley in love with the Ferrari 308 (from the 80s)...partly because it was driven by the sexy blonde, Christy Brinkley, in the movie National Lampoons Vacation. http://youtube.com/watch?v=C1Zp7vfyew8 and driven by James Woods in the movie Against All Odds http://youtube.com/watch?v=ws1Pt5GCwhI both early/mid 80s movies.
as far as tuner cars go, i hate 'em - they have no soul, character, genuineity...as the stock cars do.
> I'm not sure you have it right on this. Kids today want the cars that > were promoted in the movies they see, like in Fast & Furious. I was the [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >>>>>>> AJM >>>>>>> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Uncle_vito - 24 Jan 2008 04:43 GMT Against all odds. Rachel Ward. Almost as pretty as the Ferrari. Great Movie.
Vito
> good reply, Charlie. about the generational thing. > that's why all the buyers of classic American muscle cars, are guys who [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] >>>>>>>> AJM >>>>>>>> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Andrew DeFaria - 24 Jan 2008 02:04 GMT > Well you tell me, why don't 18 year olds drive new Corvettes. Because > they can get cars just as fast for half the money (Mustang). GM has [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Vito If you hate GM that much then what are you doing here? You just like showing everybody how much of an a.shole/idiot you are?
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Uncle_vito - 24 Jan 2008 02:23 GMT Would you believe that I am a member of a Corvette club and have been so for 15 years. I own a mid year and AFAIAC GM quit building bitchen corvettes right about 1972. The C4, C5 and C6's are real yawners. GM is still controlled by the bean counters. Look at the interior of a C6 and tell me this is GM's best. They are still holding back. I will buy a Vette the day that GM goes balls out on the design like they did from 63-67.
Cheers
Vito
Uncle_vito wrote: Well you tell me, why don't 18 year olds drive new Corvettes. Because they can get cars just as fast for half the money (Mustang). GM has basically abandoned these kids.
The 'cool' factor of Corvettes has disappeared because only old farts drive them. Kids do not want to drive what old farts drive.
Same for Cadillac. Look at the GM on star commercial for Cadillac. Grandma is trapped in the car and can't get out. MY GAWD. GM marketing must be made ot TOTAL IDIOTS.
You being excepted when it comes to age and the Corvette.
Vito
If you hate GM that much then what are you doing here? You just like showing everybody how much of an a.shole/idiot you are?
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Andrew DeFaria - 24 Jan 2008 05:56 GMT > Would you believe that I am a member of a Corvette club and have been > so for 15 years. I own a mid year and AFAIAC GM quit building bitchen [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a Vette the day that GM goes balls out on the design like they did > from 63-67. I see. So you're an old fart who cannot get past the '60's! So instead, for some 40 years now you cannot take your arthritic fingers away from this newsgroup nor Corvettes. Sad and pathetic! Sounds to me you're just an over the hill, washed up moron who likes to complain.
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Uncle_vito - 25 Jan 2008 00:26 GMT Adtually I am 54 years old. I bought my midyear 15 years ago and it has almost tripled in value.
Reason I have not purchased a 2008 is for 3 reasons. 1) I will look 10 years older driving it. 2) It will lose 25% of its value when I leave the dealership 3) I see no elegant technology in the car. Just brute force cubic inches with pushrods and 2 valves/cylinder (like a Chevy Tahoe)
Vito Uncle_vito wrote: Would you believe that I am a member of a Corvette club and have been so for 15 years. I own a mid year and AFAIAC GM quit building bitchen corvettes right about 1972. The C4, C5 and C6's are real yawners. GM is still controlled by the bean counters. Look at the interior of a C6 and tell me this is GM's best. They are still holding back. I will buy a Vette the day that GM goes balls out on the design like they did from 63-67.
I see. So you're an old fart who cannot get past the '60's! So instead, for some 40 years now you cannot take your arthritic fingers away from this newsgroup nor Corvettes. Sad and pathetic! Sounds to me you're just an over the hill, washed up moron who likes to complain.
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Andrew DeFaria - 25 Jan 2008 03:40 GMT > Adtually I am 54 years old. Like I said - you're an old fart!
> I bought my midyear 15 years ago and it has almost tripled in value. BFD!
> Reason I have not purchased a 2008 is for 3 reasons. 1) I will look 10 > years older driving it. How does that work? Nevermind.
> 2) It will lose 25% of its value when I leave the dealership Every car does that!
> 3) I see no elegant technology in the car. That's because you're f.cking blind.
> Just brute force cubic inches with pushrods and 2 valves/cylinder > (like a Chevy Tahoe) Right. Later Vito - you're history!
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'Key - 26 Jan 2008 03:06 GMT "Uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> wrote absolutly nothing of value in message ---snip----
well Vito, you go on and on like the little eveready bunny. its been nice to have a little humor around here but enough is enough. just go troll your boat down another stream.
no real need for you to reply, unless ya like pissing in the wind...
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'Key - 26 Jan 2008 02:58 GMT > Well you tell me, why don't 18 year olds drive new > Corvettes. Because they can get cars just as fast for > half the money (Mustang). GM has basically abandoned > these kids. probably because their trust funds have been limited :-)
> The 'cool' factor of Corvettes has disappeared because > only old farts drive them. Kids do not want to drive what > old farts drive. My kids would love to drive mine, if I would let em.. My grandaughter want me to give it to her..
> Same for Cadillac. Look at the GM on star commercial for > Cadillac. Grandma is trapped in the car and can't get > out. MY GAWD. GM marketing must be made ot TOTAL IDIOTS. oh yea, if its on a comercial it must be real !
get a clue and join the real world...
this is my2¢ and I AM intitled to it..
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Bob I - 24 Jan 2008 02:13 GMT You mean other than the fact that it is fiction. Or then maybe you really do believe it. I suppose your being biased has nothing to do with your distorted sense of reality. Never mind, your opinion is noted and your contribution has been assigned an appropriate value.
> Since more Toyotas than GM vehicles are sold in the world, there are a lot > of folks that agree with me. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >>>> AJM >>>> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Ric Seyler - 24 Jan 2008 22:38 GMT >Since more Toyotas than GM vehicles are sold in the world, there are a lot >of folks that agree with me. > Ummmmmm....... might wanna think that through.... Don't you think the cost of a say a Toyota Camry -vs- Vette might have something to do with that... There are also less McLarens sold in the US than Camrys..... LOL
>GM seems to be able to only sell trucks and Corvettes and a few Cadillacs. >The Corvettes and Cadillacs are only sold to those folks over 65 years of >age. > >Anything wrong with this picture? > No.......... it's called disposable income. Which generally comes with age and work history. DUH!
>Vito > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >
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Uncle_vito - 25 Jan 2008 00:20 GMT Actually I said more Toyotas than GM vehicles (not necessarily corvettes). Maybe I am rushing it a bit. I believe Toyota is number 2 in sales (ahead of Ford) but likely still behind GM but I do not know how much.
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______________________________________________________ Uncle_vito wrote:
Since more Toyotas than GM vehicles are sold in the world, there are a lot of folks that agree with me.
Ummmmmm....... might wanna think that through.... Don't you think the cost of a say a Toyota Camry -vs- Vette might have something to do with that... There are also less McLarens sold in the US than Camrys..... LOL
GM seems to be able to only sell trucks and Corvettes and a few Cadillacs. The Corvettes and Cadillacs are only sold to those folks over 65 years of age.
Anything wrong with this picture?
No.......... it's called disposable income. Which generally comes with age and work history. DUH!
Vito
'Key - 26 Jan 2008 02:53 GMT > Since more Toyotas than GM vehicles are sold in the world, > there are a lot of folks that agree with me. I don't see anyone agreeing with you.
> GM seems to be able to only sell trucks and Corvettes and > a few Cadillacs. The Corvettes and Cadillacs are only sold [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Vito again, thats your opinion of GM. not everyones opinion...
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Andrew DeFaria - 26 Jan 2008 03:58 GMT >> Since more Toyotas than GM vehicles are sold in the world, there are >> a lot of folks that agree with me. > I don't see anyone agreeing with you. A lot of people eat at McDonalds - doesn't mean it's good food. Vito's Ronald McDonald in disguise!
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Tom In Missouri - 26 Jan 2008 04:00 GMT There is a lot wrong with the picture. GM has been pretty unresponsive in many areas over the last couple of decades. They have been paying the price for it, too. They have begun a new phase, with Cadillac reinventing itself as they recognize their clientele are 60 and above and reducing in numbers, so they have tried some new styling, added some performance, went racing, and are bringing in a new set of Cadillac buyers.
They still don't appeal to me, but they are getting younger buyers, although not the upper teens and young 20-something year olds.
Toyota is selling a lot. They are Number 2 and in some surveys I have read, they are Number 1. They seem to listen, some. Not much, but better than GM. They are also producing a lot more cars that are a price people can afford. However, in my own experience, Toyotas have a crap resale value at a dealer, which is the wrong message to give. It tells me that a used Toyota is worthless and if it is worthless to even a Toyota dealer, why should I bother to buy a new one to lose everything?
But since most buyers buy on credit, and simply roll the debt from one car to the next, they haven't figured out that they are dealing with no value.
Personally, I find GM styling to be the worse in a long, long time. Yes, some of the late '70s box cars were not much, but compared to the ugly front ends they have been putting on in the last 10 or so years, those boxy Chevies from 1980 are a clean look. My opinion, yours may vary.
Personally, I haven't found any Chevy other than the Corvette that I have been excited about. The Camaro I think lost its audience, and as such, lost its marketplace and went under. The original Camaros were great platforms to produce the car you wanted. Any engine, modify as needed, and it was yours. The 4th Gen Camaro was a V6 that took a dump after 100,000 miles or the full fledged LT1 and LS1. There wasn't much middle ground, unless you consider the Z28 middle ground with the SS the top. I think that weakened the Z28 status. There were far too many, and almost everyone had one.
It wasn't that easy to mod. The darn engine sat under the windshield, making most work a real pain. While the LT1 and LS1 produced great performance with decent economy, they were not cheap to work on and parts weren't found in every corner store. And it got so big on the outside, yet seemed to be smaller on the inside. A buddy had an '85 and I'm sure the back seat had more room. I know the '69 I had did. Ford kept the Mustang pony car formula true with the Mustang, and even though the Camaro was more aerodynamic, the Mustang stayed true to Mustang style, so there was no mistaking it, and it said Mustang even to non-car people.
The '98 to '02 Camaro looks like a wider Chrysler Sebring.
And yes, I have a 4th Gen Z28, and I like it, but it is a lot less than GM was capable of.
I drove a bunch of new Chevies a few months ago. They ran well, handled well, performed well, but none of them fired any juices in me but the Corvette. The Cobalt did some, especially the supercharged Cobalt, but the supercharged one was too much a straight line car, and not a good overall handler.
But then, there isn't much that turns me on with Toyota either. I like the Spyder, but I wouldn't sell a Corvette to get it. And nothing else really fires the juices. The Corolla is a nice car, but is more tuned for a grandmother than someone looking for fun. Which explains all the Asian car tuners out there, retuning suspensions to handle and be fun to drive, adding horsepower to make the car respond to the right foot.
So what does this prove? Really, to me, it only means that all cars suck anymore. They may be faster and more efficient, but they all suck in the fun factor and the cool factor.
> Since more Toyotas than GM vehicles are sold in the world, there are a lot > of folks that agree with me. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >>> AJM > >>> '93 Ruby coupe, 6 sp (both tops) Charlie - 23 Jan 2008 17:40 GMT Based on the article I just read in AutoWeek, they don't plan on doing that at all.
> Only thing is is that there is a big difference between the very first > Corvette and this ZR1, the 3rd incarnation of that performance option. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>> paying 10X msrp just for the right to claim the very first one off of >>> the production line...that's steep!
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