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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Corvette / May 2008Don't believe Corvette owners lies about supposed fuel economy
They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the C6 Manual gets 26 MPG. It costs well over $5 just to drive 25 in gas alone on top of the wear and tear due to HORRIBLE GM reliability and expense of spare parts. On top of that you have to use premium gas in a Corvette. 26 MPG with premium gas is like 20 MPG with regular gas. Even GM's crappy 5,500 lbs Tahoe Hybrid costs $4 to drive $25 miles which is way better than the Corvette. Driving a Corvette is like throwing your money away at the OPEC Casino. I have more respect even for a Hybrid SUV owner than a Saudi Royal Family funding, Air Polluting Corvette Driver. If more people drove sensable cars instead of gas guzzlers then we wouldn't be in this war right now. Corvettes and SUVs cause wars. Instead of driving Corvettes and SUVs, people should drive Hybrids and station wagons and spend those trillions saved from no wars to educate children, house the homeless, feed the poor, etc. > If more people drove sensable cars instead of gas guzzlers then we > wouldn't be in this war right now. Corvettes and SUVs cause wars. > Instead of driving Corvettes and SUVs, people should drive Hybrids and > station wagons and spend those trillions saved from no wars to educate > children, house the homeless, feed the poor, etc. Probably the neocons and oil companies would still want to take over Iraq's oil. They want a law there to privatize the oil so that the companies that used to be there controlling it will have it once again. The oil workers will strike if the law passes.  Signature--- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. >> If more people drove sensable cars instead of gas guzzlers then we >> wouldn't be in this war right now. Corvettes and SUVs cause wars. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > companies that used to be there controlling it will have it once again. > The oil workers will strike if the law passes. Wow! Is there anything else you don't know very much about that you'd like to share with us? Venger > Wow! Is there anything else you don't know very much about that you'd > like to share with us? Not everything relevant appears on Fox. --- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. >> Wow! Is there anything else you don't know very much about that you'd >> like to share with us? > > Not everything relevant appears on Fox. HAHAHAHA!!!! > --- > Ed Light [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > spam@uce.gov > Thanks, robots. SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson >> Wow! Is there anything else you don't know very much about that you'd >> like to share with us? > > Not everything relevant appears on Fox. As opposed to antiwar.com - enjoy your echo chamber, knucklehead. Venger >> Wow! Is there anything else you don't know very much about that you'd >> like to share with us? > >Not everything relevant appears on Fox. Nor is every Fox relevant, apparently. Signature"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli :>They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth :>is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the :>C6 Manual gets 26 MPG. Husband and I averaged 29mpg last summer on a trip from Maryland to Rhode Island. When the Corvette has so many other things to brag about, why would anyone lie about the gas mileage? -------- On 21 Apr 2008 17:09:52 -0700, Jose Gaspar <Jose_member@newsguy.com> in Message-ID: <fujacg02hmu@drn.newsguy.com> wrote: :> you never got above an E-5... I did that in a little over one year in the Army... > :>They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth > :>is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > :> you never got above an E-5... I did that in a little over one year in the Army... Totally agree. I'm not a fan of most domestic cars, but the Corvette is definitely an exception. For a 500 hp, 7.0 liter vehicle to be able to get 24 to 29 MPG, that is impressive. That technology should be sprinkled throughout the product range. The new Malibu seems to be a a sign that (FINALLY!) GM is waking up and really thinking about the whole prodcut line, not just the king Corvette. CD Well what is the mileage you folks get around town. I do not need to do a lot of freeway driving. Just stop and go up to about 45 mph. Also bragging the the vette gets XX mpg seems like a 'so what'. Typical vette owners would not really be concerned with mileage. Seems they are going for the looks and performance. Vito >> :>They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth >> :>is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > CD :>Well what is the mileage you folks get around town. I do not need to do a :>lot of freeway driving. Just stop and go up to about 45 mph. I get about 20-22 mpg. :>Also bragging the the vette gets XX mpg seems like a 'so what'. I wouldn't characterize it as " bragging" but more comparing the Corvette's amazing mpg against other known factors. For instance our C6 gets the best mileage of any vehicle in the family. I find that a pleasant surprise. :> Typical vette owners would not really be concerned with mileage. Seems they are :>going for the looks and performance. :> :>Vito Mileage is often discussed in the online Corvette fora. Guess you really don't know much about Corvette owners at all. Enjoy your Nissan. :>> On Apr 22, 12:52 am, Sarah Czepiel <ninety...@cox.net> wrote: :>>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT), Sal <jackwhite...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] :>> :>> CD >I wouldn't characterize it as " bragging" but more comparing the Corvette's >amazing mpg against other known factors. For instance our C6 gets the >best mileage of any vehicle in the family. I find that a pleasant >surprise. Pleasant surprise - or serious disappointment in the other vehicles :-) :>On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 10:10:36 -0400, Sarah Czepiel <ninety7gt@cox.net> :>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :>Pleasant surprise - or serious disappointment in the other vehicles :>:-) I'd say the rest of the vehicles get about what we expect them to get for mpg figures. We have a 03 Lightning, 04 Mach1, and an 05 Crossfire. The Lightning gets about 14mpg, Mach 1 is about 20mpg, and the Crossfire 22mpg. >:>Well what is the mileage you folks get around town. I do not need to do a >:>lot of freeway driving. Just stop and go up to about 45 mph. > >I get about 20-22 mpg. Sheeeit, wife has an `05 Lincoln Aviator AWD with the Ford 4.6. The average on that bitch (vehicle not wife) is @ best 12/13. My C4 is pretty much a constant 24 with a 5.7. >:>Also bragging the the vette gets XX mpg seems like a 'so what'. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >surprise. > Signature"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli >Sheeeit, wife has an `05 Lincoln Aviator AWD with the Ford 4.6. The >average on that bitch (vehicle not wife) is @ best 12/13. My C4 is >pretty much a constant 24 with a 5.7. Ummm.... 24 not all that bad... but I wouldn't mention the 12mpg gas hog as a way of justifying the 24 :-) Still, I have trouble believing that most guys driving 'vettes are getting 24mpg. Maybe the gray haired old men who bought it for looks and in a vain attempt to feel young again. If you own a 'vette, you ought to _drive_ it. >>Sheeeit, wife has an `05 Lincoln Aviator AWD with the Ford 4.6. The >>average on that bitch (vehicle not wife) is @ best 12/13. My C4 is >>pretty much a constant 24 with a 5.7. > >Ummm.... 24 not all that bad... but I wouldn't mention the 12mpg gas >hog as a way of justifying the 24 :-) It wasn't an attempt to justify it, it was a comparison that 4.6 AWD gets half the MPG of a 5.7 in a car that I do in fact drive -- occasionally like I stole it. Still averages out to ~24. >Still, I have trouble believing that most guys driving 'vettes are >getting 24mpg. Maybe the gray haired old men who bought it for looks >and in a vain attempt to feel young again. If you own a 'vette, you >ought to _drive_ it. Well I don't take it to the Race Track & we do have the Po-Po who act as Traffic Enforcement & Revenue generation division. Signature"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >hog as a way of justifying the 24 :-) > >Still, I have trouble believing that most guys driving 'vettes are >getting 24mpg. Maybe the gray haired old men who bought it for looks >and in a vain attempt to feel young again. If you own a 'vette, you >ought to _drive_ it. > Know anything about physics or aerodynamics? Overdrive w/very low cruising RPM, an engine that doesn't have to strain the least to get it down the road, very aerodynamic, light relative weight........... pretty self evident...... SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson still just me wrote: Sheeeit, wife has an `05 Lincoln Aviator AWD with the Ford 4.6. The average on that bitch (vehicle not wife) is @ best 12/13. My C4 is pretty much a constant 24 with a 5.7. Ummm.... 24 not all that bad... but I wouldn't mention the 12mpg gas hog as a way of justifying the 24 :-) >>Still, I have trouble believing that most guys driving 'vettes are >>getting 24mpg. Maybe the gray haired old men who bought it for looks >>and in a vain attempt to feel young again. If you own a 'vette, you >>ought to _drive_ it. >Know anything about physics or aerodynamics? >Overdrive w/very low cruising RPM, an engine that doesn't have to >strain the least to get it down >the road, very aerodynamic, light relative weight........... pretty >self evident...... But then us old men do drive them, when was the last time you saw 140? Of course you're in over your head to drive the Corvette to anywhere near it's potential, plus looking at jail time if you're caught. Top end on my '61 was just a shade under 115, top end on the '05 will most likely not be obtainable as I did learn a few things over the years and some are just not that important anymore. Then again driving the car you like is the name of the game, knocking what others drive is also in the cards for some. Doing so with no experience of ownership or seat time in any of the cars mentioned is kind of juvenile. The closest I've ever been to the R8/R10 is at the track and it is impressive. The thing is almost ghostly and a tribute to the engineering and the people involved in building such a fine machine. Hopefully it can become a technology to benefit the automotive field. > still just me wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Ummm.... 24 not all that bad... but I wouldn't mention the 12mpg gas > hog as a way of justifying the 24 :-) HAHAHA!!! My 04 Xterra with it's weakling V6 and porker weight SUCKS gas! >>> Still, I have trouble believing that most guys driving 'vettes are >>> getting 24mpg. Maybe the gray haired old men who bought it for looks [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > engineering and the people involved in building such a fine machine. > Hopefully it can become a technology to benefit the automotive field. SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson >still just me wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >likely not be obtainable as I did learn a few things over the years >and some are just not that important anymore. Phooey, age is just a state of mind anyhow. When was the last time you saw anyone drive on a public road system @ 140 in the US? Just because you or I may have the skill & ability to drive our cars at their maximum capability, that doesn't mean the people we are forced to share the roads with are able to drive theirs at half of its. It isn't me driving my car to its limits, it is the knucklehead (not Motorcycle version) who changes lanes without signaling, or slams on his/her brakes for no apparent reason that is going to end up being the death of me on the road, not my obtainable speed. >Then again driving the car you like is the name of the game, knocking >what others drive is also in the cards for some. Doing so with no >experience of ownership or seat time in any of the cars mentioned is >kind of juvenile. Oui but of course. However, some feel compelled to drive car that others like for whatever reason. Perhaps peer pressure makes them drive those fart-pipe-mobiles. >The closest I've ever been to the R8/R10 is at the track and it is >impressive. The thing is almost ghostly and a tribute to the >engineering and the people involved in building such a fine machine. >Hopefully it can become a technology to benefit the automotive field. But it isn't a "mass-produced" vehicle like the Corvette. It is more about exploring the limits & challenges of Technology for the mass production vehicles, then producing a vehicle for the masses. Dollar for dollar & pound for pound the Base Corvettes will still give both the Performance & Styling that vehicles twice its price can only pretend to. To me it is truly a shame they never went ahead with the original concept of the Billy-Bob Corvette trimmed of all the current bells & whistles into just a lean-mean pure driving machine that doesn't need every electronic do-dad known to man. Signature"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli "Ric Seyler" <ricseyler@gulf.net> wrote in message >>news:BCnQj.67997$y05.21407@newsfe22.lga... >>still just me wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Phooey, age is just a state of mind anyhow. When was the last time > you saw anyone drive on a public road system @ 140 in the US? Yesterday, haven't been out on the road today. Let me qualify that, I have a road about 1 1/2 miles from my home that has no houses, no drive ways, no trees, or blind spots, and you can see both ends as you leave the stop sign. A ready made drag strip with room to spare for shut down, temptation overcomes me many times. A sane 120 is easy, 140 you can begin to smell the brakes when you get out of the C6 in the garage. My skill is tempered a bit by being from the thirties so I do see this pratice as being short lived as are all of us mortal souls who's state of mind is also affected at some point. > Just because you or I may have the skill & ability to drive our cars > at their maximum capability, that doesn't mean the people we are [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > others like for whatever reason. Perhaps peer pressure makes them > drive those fart-pipe-mobiles. Automotive people need humor to...... >>The closest I've ever been to the R8/R10 is at the track and it is >>impressive. The thing is almost ghostly and a tribute to the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > about exploring the limits & challenges of Technology for the mass > production vehicles, then producing a vehicle for the masses. I fully understood it's position in the real world when I said, "Hopefully it can become a technology to benefit the automotive field." You can't even smell the diesel which is a need for the R8 technology to get resolved, how to make the super refined fuel. > Dollar for dollar & pound for pound the Base Corvettes will still > give [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > bells & whistles into just a lean-mean pure driving machine that > doesn't need every electronic do-dad known to man. Wouldn't that be a kick in the pants, a 2800 pound car with 638 HP that you had to drive instead of 1,000 pounds of widgets doing it for you?? Darn, me thinks I need the computer to make that engine purr....................... Back to reality, I need to let the '64, (electronic options, radio), sit out in the sun so the back window will get soft enough to fold to put the top down today....... ;-)) I happen to belong to a Corvette club since 1991. I also own a 64 corvette convertible since 91. Has doubled in value. Gets 12 miles per gallon. I do not like the newer ones. Way over priced for what you get. Interior looks like a rental car. Most folks in my club with the newer vettes drive them only on weekends and do not really care what the mileage is. Vito > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:06:10 -0700, "Uncle_vito" > <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > :>> > :>> CD :>I happen to belong to a Corvette club since 1991. :> :>I also own a 64 corvette convertible since 91. Has doubled in value. Gets :>12 miles per gallon. For a claimed " insider" you certainly write like you're outside the Corvette club. " Typical vette owners would not really be concerned with mileage. Seems they are going for the looks and performance. " :>I do not like the newer ones. Way over priced for what you get. Interior :>looks like a rental car. Most folks in my club with the newer vettes drive :>them only on weekends and do not really care what the mileage is. :> :>Vito Lots of C5 and C6 daily drivers. The point you've now made is that the newer Corvettes make better mileage than the older Corvettes. Maybe that's why newer Corvette owners don't care about gas mileage...? Remember The Wave. :) :>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:06:10 -0700, "Uncle_vito" :>> <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] :>> :>> :>> :>> CD I guess I am out of touch with my club in that I am not impressed with any vette newer than about 1971. Only about 5 of us in a club of 100 with exclusively older cars. Hopefully with this new gas mileage requirement GM will see fit to put a 7500 rpm redline V8 of about 4.5 liter capacity with overhead cams, 4 valves per, direct injection and variable intake and exhaust timing. I am not too impressed with the technical aspects of a pushrod 7 liter with a supercharger for the new ZR1 (no variable valve timing and only 2 valves per cylinder). Pure crudeness at $100,000 per. Vito >I guess I am out of touch with my club in that I am not impressed >with any vette newer than about 1971. Only about 5 of us in a club [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Vito Pontiac, MI - At 1:15:42 AM Friday, General motors Corp. (GM) said that they have completed SAE certification of the ZR1's supercharged LS9 V-8 and the results exceed the estimate: 638 horsepower or 476 kW and 604 lb.-ft. of torque or 819 Nm!! Not to bad for the KISS system. Actually it's a 6.2 liter supercharged V-8, but who's counting. SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd 64 Red/red/white top/4spd :>I guess I am out of touch with my club in that I am not impressed with any :>vette newer than about 1971. :>Vito That's why there's hundreds of different choices we make daily. Don't forget the wave. > On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:01:37 -0700, "Uncle_vito" > <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don't forget the wave. One post says he don't like the new Corvettes and down just a bit he thinks "I am not too impressed with the technical aspects of a pushrod 7 liter with a supercharger for the new ZR1 (no variable valve timing and only 2 valves per cylinder). Pure crudeness at $100,000 per." As shown above he thinks the cutoff point was 1971 when half the gasoline went through the engine just to keep the valves from burning. Today's Corvette sips gasoline past some pretty sophisticated metallurgy in the valve train and gets 2 to 3 times the mileage the 1971 was getting. Of course that's not the only thing that is weaning the gas guzzlers of yesteryear, there in better breathing, materials, computers, bearings, less drag, manufacturing technique, and lubricants just to name a few advances. Of course if you want engineering there is the VW Touareg 2, it salutes you with an impressive light show as the range adjusting dynamic headlights calibrate themselves. Cosmetically, the 2008 Volkswagen Touareg 2 is more of a nose-tipping than a full face-lift. The exterior changes include the new-look grille (chrome for the V6 model and matte chrome for the V8 and the V10 diesel) that clarifies the family resemblance to the rest of the VW line. Engineering at its best. You'll recognize this 40-valve 4,172cc V8 after its introduction to the Touareg lineup last year, and its rating of 350 horsepower and 324 pound-feet of torque remains the same. But the new application of direct fuel injection makes it possible to achieve peak power at 6,700 rpm, 100 rpm lower than before. The 2008 Volkswagen Touareg V8 costs $55,750, is the Touareg 2 now the sport-utility version of the VW Phaeton, a luxury sedan that never found its audience? The Touareg 2 reaches 60 mph in 7.7 seconds in Sport mode, and the quarter-mile in 15.7 seconds at 90.2 mph. For an SUV that weighs 5,240 pounds that not to bad, although you pay the price with fuel economy(?) of 13.1 mpg. I must digress though, it sure is nice to get in the '64 and not have to worry about it taking over the world if all of the computers decide to turn on us. ;-)) Screw the wave, get up on that wheel and hit the gas........................................ SignatureDad 05 C6 Silver/Red 6spd Z51 72 Shark Black/Black/4spd 64 Red/red/white top/4spd You have a 64 also. Great car. Mine is red with a black interior and a black rag top. 365 HP with the close ratio 4 speed. I did have a 69 435 horse that I owned from about 1997-2003. Hardly a daily driver. Vito >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:01:37 -0700, "Uncle_vito" >> <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Screw the wave, get up on that wheel and hit the > gas........................................ >You have a 64 also. Great car. Mine is red with a black interior and a >black rag top. 365 HP with the close ratio 4 speed. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Vito Vito my 64 has that same 365 HP engine, and close ratio Tranny as yours ... Power NOTHING ..except the power windows...???? What can I say... Its Saddle Tan over Tan... white top... knock off wheelsand a couple of small self inflected scratches ...which do not bug me at all .. I like to drive it.. believe it or not it also has dual cigeratte lighters (definately non stock) the add on is located on the passengers side of the transmission "hump" under the dash. Bob G. Cool! >>You have a 64 also. Great car. Mine is red with a black interior and a >>black rag top. 365 HP with the close ratio 4 speed. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Bob G. >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:01:37 -0700, "Uncle_vito" >> <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >5,240 pounds that not to bad, although you pay the price with fuel >economy(?) of 13.1 mpg. But Weight is the Vee-Dub's big problem. With a curb weight of 5,300 pounds, the Touareg V8 is like packing the mass of a Chevy Suburban into a Volvo XC90-size wrapper. This poundage puts a dent in fuel economy and imparts a somewhat leaden feel to the on-road experience, particularly when the vehicle is driven with any amount of spirit. This is especially true of the 5,825-pound Touareg V10 TDI. Personally I'd rather go with the Heavy Chevy then the Chubby Dubbie, at least you get more space for your el`crapola at a significantly lower price. >I must digress though, it sure is nice to get in the '64 and not have >to worry about it taking over the world if all of the computers decide >to turn on us. ;-)) > >Screw the wave, get up on that wheel and hit the >gas........................................ Signature"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli > I guess I am out of touch with my club in that I am not impressed with any > vette newer than about 1971. Only about 5 of us in a club of 100 with [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Vito Especially since the Nissan GTR Spec V destroys the ZR1 in 1/4 mile, 0-60, and at the track. >:>Well what is the mileage you folks get around town. I do not need to do a >:>lot of freeway driving. Just stop and go up to about 45 mph. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > My '94 Ragtop 6sp runs circles around my Xterra in mileage. SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 06:06:10 -0700, "Uncle_vito" > <uncle_vito2002@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I get about 20-22 mpg. That's really far better than I expected. You don't get much better with performance I4 machines. Some time ago I owned a Honda Prelude and while I did get close to 30 on the road, if you ran it hard 20-24 was about it around town. > :>Also bragging the the vette gets XX mpg seems like a 'so what'. > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > :>> > :>> CD :>On Apr 22, 12:52 am, Sarah Czepiel <ninety...@cox.net> wrote: :>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT), Sal <jackwhite...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] :>is definitely an exception. For a 500 hp, 7.0 liter vehicle to be able :>to get 24 to 29 MPG, that is impressive. You're talking ZO6 numbers here. The C6 has 405hp and has a 6.1L displacement. But you're right, the 24-20 mpg is still impressive. :>That technology should be sprinkled throughout the product range. The new Malibu :>seems to be a a sign that (FINALLY!) GM is waking up and really thinking about the :>whole prodcut line, not just the king Corvette. :> :>CD > :>They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth > :>is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the > :>C6 Manual gets 26 MPG. > > Husband and I averaged 29mpg last summer on a trip from Maryland to Rhode > Island. Surprising! Things must have changed since the day I owned Vettes. My 71 454 4 speed with a 3.08 rear could never get better than 16 running around 80. In town, it was near 10. > When the Corvette has so many other things to brag about, why would anyone > lie about the gas mileage? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > :> you never got above an E-5... I did that in a little over one year in > the Army... >> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT), Sal >> <jackwhite200@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > My 71 454 4 speed with a 3.08 rear could never get better than 16 > running around 80. In town, it was near 10. Checked mine today and on a 30 trip, went to pickup a gun I ordered; talked to the owners widow for about 3 hours; watched a few turkeys get checked in, nice birds, and then back home. No one shot when it was warmed up and at its peak, about 8 miles without a stop sign. Warmed it up twice so to speak and got a very poor 29.2, have seen 34 on a nice day of driving non stop with a group coming back from the Corvette factory. Jack, Al, Lawrence, and/or Sal don't know if his a.shole was punched, bored, or rusted through let alone anything about automobiles. Don't believe the lies. The Audi R8 TDI has a road bending 738ft/lbs of torque and a 12 cylinder engine and yet gets fuel economy better than the C6 ZO6 on the highway, and far better in the city. It sound and looks a hell of a lot better than any redneck gm car any day of the week too. This is what a good looking car is supposed to look like not like a Corvette. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aaylp_9kJyo http://youtube.com/watch?v=13-DTwoh2RQ > Don't believe the lies. The Audi R8 TDI has a road bending 738ft/lbs > of torque and a 12 cylinder engine and yet gets fuel economy better [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aaylp_9kJyo > http://youtube.com/watch?v=13-DTwoh2RQ Oh, comparing apples to grapefruits, are we? Does the R8 TDI not even exist as a production vehicle yet? And when it does go into production, will it not cost at least twice as a much as any Vette? Oh, and finally, is not the R8 TDI a *DIESEL* motor? I'm not knocking the R8 TDI at all. That is one advanced piece of motoring mayhem that I would just love to have in my driveway, diesel and all. But to compare a brand new concept using un-related technologies to an existing Vette is not exactly a fair comparison. By far. You sound like someone who would do anything, even twists facts around, to win an argument. I suppose you beleive Hillary when she was taking sniper fire in Bosnia, too. CD >> Don't believe the lies. The Audi R8 TDI has a road bending 738ft/lbs >> of torque and a 12 cylinder engine and yet gets fuel economy better [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >CD That TDi V12 smoker has eaten ALL the luggage space! Time for VW/audi to make a VR/WR diesel? SignaturePeter Hill Spamtrap reply domain as per NNTP-Posting-Host in header Can of worms - what every fisherman wants. Can of worms - what every PC owner gets! >>>Don't believe the lies. The Audi R8 TDI has a road bending 738ft/lbs >>>of torque and a 12 cylinder engine and yet gets fuel economy better [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Time for VW/audi to make a VR/WR diesel? Those W motors were very fascinating technolgy, but in the end, how pratical were they? They let a manufacture put a bigger motor into a smaller engine bay. The space savings wasn't all that much when compared to a V6 or V8 of the same displacement. AND, they were less powerful than their V configured counterparts as well. It's the inline 6 which is all but extinct, having been taken over by the V6. CD 'Cept in BMWs. Vito > It's the inline 6 which is all but extinct, having been taken over by the > V6. > > CD > Don't believe the lies. The Audi R8 TDI has a road bending 738ft/lbs > of torque and a 12 cylinder engine and yet gets fuel economy better [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > www.flickr.com/photos/iand/523472419/ > www.cars.justelite.net/.../278 BFD, you cross posting want-a-be....... >Don't believe the lies. The Audi R8 TDI has a road bending 738ft/lbs >of torque and a 12 cylinder engine and yet gets fuel economy better [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >http://youtube.com/watch?v=Aaylp_9kJyo >http://youtube.com/watch?v=13-DTwoh2RQ Sal; "You" & "Tube" are really two words that belong together. The exact opposite of an oxymoron. Signature"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli :>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT), Sal <jackwhite200@yahoo.com> :>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] :>454 4 speed with a 3.08 rear could never get better than 16 running around :>80. In town, it was near 10. Ex husband had both a '69 Cougar [ essentially the Eliminator but without the paint, spoiler, etc ] and a '69 Judge. If I remember correctly the best either of those two could pump out was 14mpg and it was a rare occurrence even at that. :) > :>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT), Sal <jackwhite200@yahoo.com> > :>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > best either of those two could pump out was 14mpg and it was a rare > occurrence even at that. :) Ah Sarah, you have shoved me into the, 'can you top this' thread. My record was with a '57 Olds 88 with J-2 engine option. Over 400 cubes (Dad might recall the actual displacement of that block) with tandem 4bbl carbs and a chassis/frame that must have been made from a blend of cast iron and depleted Uranium. 14 mpg with a tail wind and 7-10 around town. Ate brake linings for dessert. Nice gold paint job with lots of stainless-steel trim. Smooth Hydramatic with a stall ratio that made it quick off the line (no TCC in those days except on Studebakers and Packards). In retrospect, premium for that monster was about 28 cents a gallon, roughly equal to $3.55 in today's dollars. (I was in the top 10% of wage-earners then, with an $ 7K annual salary.) Just filled the C5 this morning at $4.059/gal. But, after I run all the numbers, the adjusted cost (2008 dollars) of fuel/mile for the C5 is about 1/2 of what it cost to run a "muscle car" of yesteryear. Even my old C4 produces 24mpg highway and over 21 in mixed freeway/city commuting. (Interesting thing with the C4 is that it gets better gas mileage at 75 than it does at 65). (probably a poor match of that ancient ECM to the 'performance' axle ratio @ 65mph) In contrast, the leased FX35 that I dumped *required* premium, got 22 highway and just under 20 when commuting. One of that car's difficulties was a crappy choice of final drive ratio. It would turn close to 3000 rpm at the highway speed limit. The C4 and C5 'vettes each run well under 2K rpm at the same speed. The Nissan engineers missed the point that friction increases as the square of speed/rpm. More likely were caught in a marketing squeeze and foisted the car into production before they had all the necessary pieces to do it right. All of that sophisticated valve train sucked a lot of HP at highway speed and that meant poor fuel efficiency. (More parts in motion x higher rpm = more friction.) Nissan grasped that issue and has has spent a bunch of bucks on transmission development. Good news, if one believes in catch-up baseball! -- pj :>Sarah Czepiel wrote: :>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] :>Ah Sarah, you have shoved me into the, 'can you :>top this' thread. LOL. Ok..... :>My record was with a '57 Olds 88 with J-2 engine :>option. Over 400 cubes (Dad might recall the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] :>(probably a poor match of that ancient ECM to :>the 'performance' axle ratio @ 65mph) I've always thought like the remembrances of " the good old days", the same thing can be said about the old muscle cars. After driving the newer Corvettes, Mustangs, etc... the old Judges, Roadrunners, 442's, etc.. while nostalgic have no where near the comfort, or amenities of the new. While I might like to have a 1969 Mach 1 in the garage, my cars are daily drivers and in my opinion you can't beat the modern versions. The new Corvettes are some of the best bang for your buck on the market today. :>In contrast, the leased FX35 that I dumped :>*required* premium, got 22 highway and just [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :>highway speed limit. The C4 and C5 'vettes each :> run well under 2K rpm at the same speed. Yep, the C6 runs around 2K rpm at highway speed. :>The Nissan engineers missed the point that :>friction increases as the square of speed/rpm. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] :> :>Good news, if one believes in catch-up baseball! Hey I'm a Red Sox fan. Of course we believe in catch up baseball! ;) > :>They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth > :>is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > :> you never got above an E-5... I did that in a little over one year in the Army... Oh please, that's nothing to brag about. The 2006 Honda Insight is rated @ 45 City and 48 Highway, but with proper driving it gets 121.7 MPG. http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=281 With a few inexpensive mods, it gets 180+ MPG. Corvettes require $3.75 premium gas while other cars can use $3.53 gas so FUEL CENTS PER MILE is a far better way to judge economy. My car weighs almost exactly the same as a Corvette and has a Turbo but it only gets 35 MPG @ 60 MPG, 40 MPG @ 42 MPH, and 45 MPG @ 38 MPH on perfectly flat highways, and I think those numbers are PATHETIC with today's gas prices. Anything that gets less tha 40 MPG @ 85 MPH is a dinosaur as far as I'm concerned. You're OUT OF YOUR MIND if you think Corvettes get good fuel economy by any stretch of the imagination. Even a GAS GUZZLER like the 2008 Porsche GT2 gets 25 MPG highway, while the Corvette ZO6 gets 24 MPG according to the EPA. http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z13850/Porsche_911_GT2.aspx >> :>They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth >> :>is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >rated @ 45 City and 48 Highway, but with proper driving it gets 121.7 >MPG. http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=281 Other then your bicycle, exactly what would you know about proper driving? Signature"Before all else, be armed" -- Machiavelli :>On Apr 22, 12:52 am, Sarah Czepiel <ninety...@cox.net> wrote: :>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT), Sal <jackwhite...@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] : :>Oh please, that's nothing to brag about. You're a slow learner, Sal. I've already told you no one here is bragging. We're merely comparing gas mileage on the Corvettes. :>The 2006 Honda Insight is rated @ 45 City and 48 Highway, but with proper driving it gets 121.7 :>MPG. http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=281 I don't care about any Honda. That's why I'm reading this in alt.autos.corvette. You're the thread's OP and so far you've taken this lie/troll to alt.autos.nissan,and alt.autos.porsche as well. :>With a few inexpensive mods, it gets 180+ MPG. :>Corvettes require $3.75 premium gas while other cars can use $3.53 gas :>so FUEL CENTS PER MILE is a far better way to judge economy. If you had a clue you'd know Corvette owner rarely if ever worry about fuel economy. For the same reason we're not going to flinch at the cost of replacement tires. It goes with the territory. Whatever you drive I hope you're happy. I'm happy for you. Do me the courtesy of the same, Sal. Regards, Sarah Corvette's gas mileage is impressive - when compared with it's performance stats, and it's competitor's On Apr 22, 12:52 am, Sarah Czepiel <ninety...@cox.net> wrote: > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:20:57 -0700 (PDT), Sal <jackwhite...@yahoo.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > :> you never got above an E-5... I did that in a little over one year in > the Army... Oh please, that's nothing to brag about. The 2006 Honda Insight is rated @ 45 City and 48 Highway, but with proper driving it gets 121.7 MPG. http://corporate.honda.com/press/article.aspx?id=281 With a few inexpensive mods, it gets 180+ MPG. Corvettes require $3.75 premium gas while other cars can use $3.53 gas so FUEL CENTS PER MILE is a far better way to judge economy. My car weighs almost exactly the same as a Corvette and has a Turbo but it only gets 35 MPG @ 60 MPG, 40 MPG @ 42 MPH, and 45 MPG @ 38 MPH on perfectly flat highways, and I think those numbers are PATHETIC with today's gas prices. Anything that gets less tha 40 MPG @ 85 MPH is a dinosaur as far as I'm concerned. You're OUT OF YOUR MIND if you think Corvettes get good fuel economy by any stretch of the imagination. Even a GAS GUZZLER like the 2008 Porsche GT2 gets 25 MPG highway, while the Corvette ZO6 gets 24 MPG according to the EPA. http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/z13850/Porsche_911_GT2.aspx :>Oh please, that's nothing to brag about. Again, no one is bragging. We are comparing what our Corvettes are getting for mileage. :>The 2006 Honda Insight Has nothing to do with our Corvettes. :>Corvettes require $3.75 premium gas while other cars can use $3.53 gas Corvettes do not REQUIRE premium gas, Lawrence. Don't you get tired of always being wrong and always trolling the wrong newsgroup, ie: aac? :>so FUEL CENTS PER MILE is a far better way to judge economy. My car What car is that Lawrence? You've been asked at least a dozen times and you'll never tell anyone what car you actually have. I'm betting it's a cute little VW Beetle complete with bud vase. < Snip whiny Lawrence Luger crap.....> Go away Lawrence. You're like a case of herpes. No one wants you but once you've shown up you're impossible to ever get rid of.... > :>They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth > :>is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > -------- My '95 LT1, automatic trans gets 13-15 in the city, 20-22 mpg on the interstate running a steady 80 mph with the cruise control engaged. (20 mpg with the AC on, 22 mpg with the AC off.) Pretty damned good for a 14 year old car with a stock 350 - it has almost 80,000 legit miles on the odometer. I'm not complaining. Yawn....... On a 30 mile highway near my home, I indicated 36 MPG at 60 MPH, 6th gear, with one passenger. At 70 it dropped to 33. I think GM needs to look at power to weight ratios and gear ratios to get some economy in the dogs they sell. A high overdrive in a 7-spd automatic transmission would go a long way to cutting fuel expenses. While I am on this rant, I drove my 2000 Ford Ranger (V6 Flex Fuel, FWD, 24 MPG highway) to Strasburg, PA for a conference. We have NO Ethanol E-85 stations in Northern Virginia. I found an E-85 station in Strasburg, filled up on E-85 at $2.50 per gallon and got 23 MPG highway. Something is wrong with the oil companies in Northern Virginia - wonder if they are keeping the bio-fuel people out? Bob 2000 C5 > They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth > is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > station wagons and spend those trillions saved from no wars to educate > children, house the homeless, feed the poor, etc. ...killed Nissan crosspost > On a 30 mile highway near my home, I indicated 36 MPG at 60 MPH, 6th > gear, with one passenger. At 70 it dropped to 33. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Bob > 2000 C5 That comparison on mileage seems a bit apples & oranges since the Ford in question is designed to a 'truck-rated' (semi-commercial) duty cycle with limited reserve horsepower and the 'vette is designed for a gigantic reserve horsepower and non-commercial duty cycle. I've no clue as to where Corvette engineers established their, "standard-day, max continuous sustained r-w horsepower rating." I do know that they have increased it over the years. Compared to my C4, the C5 ('02) can sustain higher speeds across the desert without cooling issues. Arguably, another apples-and-oranges comparison since the C4 is auto and my C5 is manual. The talk about E-85 and Bio fuels is nice but Bio is very limited in production potential and availability. That isn't going to change. (I feel pretty sure that when I croak in 10-15 years, I'll be able to order a chunk of steak for my final meal.) "Alternative" fuels are fine for grad-students or hippies with a modified VW bus going cross- country. They aren't sufficient in quantity for any energy company to consider making an investment to store, distribute and market them. ..... "sorry honorable customer -- no frying oil until 6 a.m.... after McDonalds changes the fat in their deep fryers." The distribution issues in Ethanol preclude it's use West of the Rockies unless we toss much of our sugar beet production into the game--that would raise hell with our farm commodity and beef cattle production. Flex-fuel or E85 logos on the vehicles in California are a joke. Ain't gonna happen here. The long-term, bottomline economics in these fuels--after give-away subsidies expire--make them a foolhardy investment unless something very magic happens in how they are grown and made. Unless 90% of us immediately adopt a diet of twigs and nuts, we are dependent on gasoline and we've got to learn how to best use it. About the only way to extract ourselves from this lockstep is to move power generation to Nuclear and then power municipal travel with electricity leaving petrol for long-haul highway and airplane transport. Meanwhile, it's going to be a rough several years and we've got to just suck it up. Alternative--set on our hands, bitch and become a fourth world country. We are no longer in control of this. Oil and gasoline are increasingly traded on foreign markets. We now make more money exporting Diesel and other distillates (JP etc.) than by selling them domestically. -- pj >They'll lie and tell people that Corvettes get 28 MPG, when the truth >is that the C6 ZO6 gets 24 MPG, the C6 Auto Coupe gets 25 mpg, and the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >station wagons and spend those trillions saved from no wars to educate >children, house the homeless, feed the poor, etc. Where have you been? Have your head in the sand? You're only about 35 years too late now to make these statements. Next you're going to tell me to shut off my electricity for Green Day. BS. > Where have you been? Have your head in the sand? You're only about > 35 years too late now to make these statements. Next you're going to > tell me to shut off my electricity for Green Day. BS. It isn't the sand where you will find the head of that j.rkoff. >>If more people drove sensable cars instead of gas guzzlers then we >>wouldn't be in this war right now. Corvettes and SUVs cause wars. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >35 years too late now to make these statements. Next you're going to >tell me to shut off my electricity for Green Day. BS. It's been part of engineering degrees in UK since the early '80s. My final year dissertation in '82 was on renewable energy sources. Trouble is that it's been at a premium cost and very few have been willing to pay for it. Now energy is expensive it's making sense economically. 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