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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Malibu / July 20052500 for GM car
I use the GM credit card and have $2500 discount for a GM car, less some restrictions. I read this newsgroup and decide that Malibus are pretty junky cars. I wonder if the others, Buick, Pontiac are any better. I am impressed by the hyundai quality and warranty. Best, Seamus J. Wilson >I use the GM credit card and have $2500 discount for a GM car, less some > restrictions. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Best, > Seamus J. Wilson I've known two people that bought Hyundai's and while both are covered under a 100k mile warranty, they are also both in the shop at least once every 3 months for one problem or another. I will not buy one for this reason. The only problem I have seen with the Malibu, not mine, but my neighbors is the gaskets leaking and coolant gunking up in the tubes both were fixed with aftermarket gaskets and by going from ornage to green coolant. no more problems there. I would like to trade my Malibu in on an Impala though. *sigh* maybe in four years. >I use the GM credit card and have $2500 discount for a GM car, less some > restrictions. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Best, > Seamus J. Wilson The Buick line rates quite highly in initial quality. I've had a Malibu, wouldn't touch another one. Curious about the Hyundai reference if you have GM credit. Does Hyundai accept GM discounts? >>I use the GM credit card and have $2500 discount for a GM car, less some >>restrictions. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>Best, >>Seamus J. Wilson Vibe. Toyota engineering and dirvetrain. GM interior and finish. Best of both worlds and a cargo area that is like a small pickup truck. You can get a new base model(manual transmission) for about $16,000 after rebates. That's $13,500 after your discount. Quite a nice car for that price. Now, of course, you should wait until the 2006 models are out. Then they will give you another $1500-2000 off of the price in inceitives and rebates, dropping the price on a 2005 Vibe to about $11,000. No way a Hyundai can beat this. Another option would be to get the GT for about $19,000. Add in the rebates that will appear in September, and you are looking at about 13-14K for a car that will blow the doors off of anything else in its price range, thanks to your extra $2500 in dealer cash) > >>I use the GM credit card and have $2500 discount for a GM car, less some > >>restrictions. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and finish. Best of both worlds and a cargo area that > is like a small pickup truck. True, but the publicized Toyota "oil-gelling" comes with this engine. Trust me, regular oil changes are ESSENTIAL to avoid cam and cam follower problems. Rear suspension can also present problems with abnormal tire-wear caused by mis-alignment and or bad bushings. Could use more engine, and some suspension softening, better placed heat ducting (at least up here in the Frozen North) and lessy crappy upholstery fabric. Still we liked the car for what it was (until an aggressive cab-driver wrote it off on us a couple of weeks ago... and my wife won't buy another, based on the extensive damage encountered in a relatively low-speed incident) Like everything, you pays yer money and takes yer chances > You can get a new base model(manual transmission) for > about $16,000 after rebates. That's $13,500 after your [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > blow the doors off of anything else in its price range, > thanks to your extra $2500 in dealer cash) >>>"sligo" <sligo@cox.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > me, regular oil changes are ESSENTIAL to avoid cam and cam follower > problems. Total BS. Toyota engineers the engine to tighter specs than normal, which means: - Clean, NON RECYCLED, NON-DRUM-IN-THE-CEILING-OF-THE-SHOP, Oil. - Change 3000 miles religiously. Not 3 months OR 3000 Miles. 3000 miles, no ifs, ands, or buts. Note - this is normal maintainence schedule for cars these days. The problems came from people going to Jiffy-Lube(recycled oil!) and waiting a typical slacker 5000+ miles, then whining that their engine can't handle the abuse that their old cars could. Properly maintained, it will never have this problem. Toyota should, though, put a 2 months/2000 miles oil change schedule on their cars. That will mean people actually get them in at 3/3000 like normal. > Rear suspension can also present problems with abnormal tire-wear caused by > mis-alignment and or bad bushings. That's very easy to check when you chance the oil every 2 months or so. Get a lifetime alignment package at your favorite tire store and checking bushings is almost idiot-proof. > Could use more engine, That's why you get the 5 speed. > and some suspension softening, better placed heat > ducting (at least up here in the Frozen North) and lessy crappy upholstery > fabric. Well, what do you want for $13K? Name me a Hyundai for this price that gives you as much. Or just go spend $25K on a LeSabre and get no problems. You get what you pay for, and with a $2500 rebate, you'll not find a better under $15K GM vehicle in their entire lineup. Note, you CAN order it with leather seats in 2005 if you want. You might consider a 2006 with leather and literally 1-2 options to make it more comfortable. > Still we liked the car for what it was (until an aggressive > cab-driver wrote it off on us a couple of weeks ago... and my wife won't buy > another, based on the extensive damage encountered in a relatively low-speed > incident) Ah. That was YOU. Stop whining. Seriously. A 4000 pound car hits yours at 25mph... That's almost exactly like taking your car into a wall at 35-40mph in a crash test, due to the weight difference. >>>>"sligo" <sligo@cox.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > your car into a wall at 35-40mph in a crash test, due to the > weight difference. I had a rep at a contracting company who took his wife's toyota Camry to the Toyota dealer every 3000 miles for oil changes and still ended up with a dead engine at 30k and Toyota refused to warranty it denying any sludge problem. Oh, and btw, the police report on the accident suggest the Vibe was travelling at under 10 k/mh (about 5-6 mph for you Americans - a brisk walking speed) and was hit a "glancing" blow to the right front corner by the cab at about 25-30 km/h (under 20 mph) I am well aware of the laws of physics, and I wasn't "whining", but when YOU experience a "disposable" auto, talk to me again. Other than that, thanks for sharing C > >>>>"sligo" <sligo@cox.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > dead engine at 30k and Toyota refused to warranty it denying any sludge > problem. > I had a rep at a contracting company who took his wife's toyota Camry to the > Toyota dealer every 3000 miles for oil changes and still ended up with a > dead engine at 30k and Toyota refused to warranty it denying any sludge > problem. And the drivetrain/engine warranty is??? 30K is a warranty claim, pure and simple, unless they drove 5K a year. I was merely sharing my observations after 3 years of ownership, thought somehow it might be valuable to someone. Certainly appreciate your attack. C > >>>"sligo" <sligo@cox.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > your car into a wall at 35-40mph in a crash test, due to the > weight difference. >I was merely sharing my observations after 3 years of ownership, thought > somehow it might be valuable to someone. Certainly appreciate your attack. I had to check myself...I had though for a moment that somehow I got into the Toyota group (which I'm not even subscribed to)! ;-) >>I was merely sharing my observations after 3 years of ownership, thought >>somehow it might be valuable to someone. Certainly appreciate your attack. > > I had to check myself...I had though for a moment that somehow I got into > the Toyota group (which I'm not even subscribed to)! ;-) Well, the fact is that GM makes crap at the low end, like Ford and Chrysler do, with a couple of notable exceptions. That the original poster mentioned Hyundai told me that he was looking for a budget ride. GM only makes one decent econobox these days, to be honest. Everything else is SUVs or large cars. Of course, Honda is taking a simmilar approach - their Civic isn't a compact car either. Thank all respondents for the helpful advice. I will survey the Buick line. Best, Seamus J. Wilson > >>I was merely sharing my observations after 3 years of ownership, thought > >>somehow it might be valuable to someone. Certainly appreciate your attack. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Everything else is SUVs or large cars. Of course, Honda is taking > a simmilar approach - their Civic isn't a compact car either. > Thank all respondents for the helpful advice. I will survey the Buick line. > Best, > Seamus J. Wilson The LeSabre is okay - decent all around but it feels heavy and "retired person". The Impala, based off of the same platform, sells for a bit less and has a bit better suspension. It's a better car to drive in and out of traffic, and IMO, looks better, too. With the 3.8 engine, it's a very nice midsize sedan. ive owned a malibu an impala and a hyundai and liked them all.. but you must be kidding if you think they can run without oil.. you have to stay on top of maintenance.. oil changes are essential for anything with an engine... warranties were good on all of them and the hyundai accent was a great starter car for my broke a.s back then gave me no trouble .. sucked on the highway with road noise and a bit cramped for long drives but what did you expect..but the front wheel drive was like a lil snow crawler and could climb the slickest hills...now the impala.. you pay more you get more.. it flies .. it costs more at the pumps.. but i love it might as well compare boeing 747's to ultralights >I was merely sharing my observations after 3 years of ownership, thought > somehow it might be valuable to someone. Certainly appreciate your attack. [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >> your car into a wall at 35-40mph in a crash test, due to the >> weight difference. Hyundai does not take GM discounts. Might sound strange giving up the 2500 but must investigate further. Unimpressed with GM line. Seamus J. > >I use the GM credit card and have $2500 discount for a GM car, less some > > restrictions. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Curious about the Hyundai reference if you have GM credit. Does Hyundai > accept GM discounts? |
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