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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Malibu / December 2006

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converting from R12 to R134

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Plantagenet_Palliser - 07 Jul 2005 14:52 GMT
I have an 87 Monte Carlo w/R12 coolant.  Anyone knows
what's involved in changing out to R134?

I'm told that the hoses have to be changed out and system
flushed.  

Anyone know if there is some factory pub. telling you how to do it?

TIA
Henri - 07 Jul 2005 16:03 GMT
I have some antique cars and when I looked into R12 conversions I was told
that there are 3 kinds of conversion.
They first check to make sure the system is working OK.Any hoses or
components that are damaged must be replaced.

1st one is called a dirty conversion.The system is evacuated and a  flush is
done to get most of the old R12 oil out of the system.The seals are replaced
and the system is recharged with R134..

The second kind is called a partial conversion. The system is evacuated and
a  flush is done to get most of the old R12 oil out of the system. The
Accumulator/drier is replaced, the seals are replaced and the system is
recharged with R134.

The 3 kind is a full conversion where everything but the evaporator and
condenser are changed out.

The most common appears to be the dirty conversion or the partial conversion
and I am told the partial conversion runs around $250cdn.
The only problem with the dirty conversion is that if all the old R12 oil is
NOT removed from the system, the A/C system can gum up when the R134 oil is
added.

There are products now on the market which are compatible with R12 and can
be added to the old R12 without conversion. I am looking at Duracool to do a
drop in replacement for the old R12.

http://www.duracool.com/Duracool/purchase.html  or

Red Tek http://63.135.115.175/

Hope this helps.

I have an 87 Monte Carlo w/R12 coolant.  Anyone knows
what's involved in changing out to R134?

I'm told that the hoses have to be changed out and system
flushed.

Anyone know if there is some factory pub. telling you how to do it?

TIA
Steve Cook - 23 Jul 2005 00:30 GMT
Top Post......
There are pag oils out there which are compatible with both freons...
Did a few on the side (out side of my shop)
And never had any problems...
Steve
Re: converting from R12 to R134  

Group: alt.autos.chevrolet.malibu Date: Thu, Jul 7, 2005, 3:04pm (CDT+5)
From: henri_latour@hotmail.com (Henri)
I have some antique cars and when I looked into R12 conversions I was
told that there are 3 kinds of conversion.
They first check to make sure the system is working OK.Any hoses or
components that are damaged must be replaced.
1st one is called a dirty conversion.The system is evacuated and a flush
is done to get most of the old R12 oil out of the system.The seals are
replaced and the system is recharged with R134..
The second kind is called a partial conversion. The system is evacuated
and a flush is done to get most of the old R12 oil out of the system.
The Accumulator/drier is replaced, the seals are replaced and the system
is recharged with R134.
The 3 kind is a full conversion where everything but the evaporator and
condenser are changed out.
The most common appears to be the dirty conversion or the partial
conversion and I am told the partial conversion runs around $250cdn. The
only problem with the dirty conversion is that if all the old R12 oil is
NOT removed from the system, the A/C system can gum up when the R134 oil
is added.
There are products now on the market which are compatible with R12 and
can be added to the old R12 without conversion. I am looking at Duracool
to do a drop in replacement for the old R12.
http://www.duracool.com/Duracool/purchase.html or
Red Tek http://63.135.115.175/ 
Hope this helps.
"Plantagenet_Palliser" <lasalle1@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:1pcqc11q6iusq578kc18ct1eocoi5tqi44@4ax.com... I have an 87 Monte
Carlo w/R12 coolant. Anyone knows what's involved in changing out to
R134?
I'm told that the hoses have to be changed out and system flushed.
Anyone know if there is some factory pub. telling you how to do it?
TIA
I'm Right - 07 Jul 2005 16:34 GMT
the topic has been covered over 1,000,000 times

> I have an 87 Monte Carlo w/R12 coolant.  Anyone knows
> what's involved in changing out to R134?
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>
> TIA
Henri - 07 Jul 2005 23:14 GMT
So what's your point. The fellow might not have been on e-mail a million
times ago. Did you think of before becoming obtuse.

the topic has been covered over 1,000,000 times
Plantagenet_Palliser - 09 Jul 2005 17:33 GMT
Well, I'll make it the One millionth + 1.

I went back to the dealership I bought the car from here in Glendale,
California.

They had to change out nearly everything.  Took about a day and a
half.

Cost:  $1200.00

Interestingly the AC mech who did the work owned an identical  Monte.

The R134 seems to cool about as effectively as the R12.  I'm told the
R12 is not being used  in California any more.

>the topic has been covered over 1,000,000 times
>
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>>
>> TIA
I'm Right - 09 Jul 2005 17:55 GMT
I'd give ya hooker with a Pamela Anderson rack for a $1200 R134a conversion
and Still give ya a cold a.s AC system

You got HOSED for over $1000

> Well, I'll make it the One millionth + 1.
>
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> >>
> >> TIA
Steve Cook - 23 Jul 2005 03:21 GMT

Re: converting from R12 to R134  
 
Well, I'll make it the One millionth + 1.
I went back to the dealership I bought the car from here in Glendale,
California.
They had to change out nearly everything. Took about a day and a half.
Cost: $1200.00
Interestingly the AC mech who did the work owned an identical Monte.
The R134 seems to cool about as effectively as the R12. I'm told the R12
is not being used in California any more.

Not bad for a dealer price...I would like to see someone get
Compressor ,Hoses,Dryer,Orifice<Conversion ports,Flush,Vaccum and
recharge for $200.00..
And have a warrenty on parts and labor..
I take it it took a day and a half because he was waiting on
parts....Never fails:)
As far as R12 goes Noone uses it in the US anymore...Some places still
have it but will cost you a arm and a leg..I had a guy who used to buy
it in Mexico for $35.00 for a 12oz can ...They still use R12 there even
today...
Good to hear you got all fixed up..
Steve
chrisb22 - 09 Dec 2006 21:00 GMT
Since no one has mentioned it yet, I'm assuming that you are EPA certified,
because you could be hit with a hefty fine handling R12 otherwise. If you
aren't, I would definitely suggest it getting it. You can get it easliy
online at epatest.com. It costs something like 10 dollars. Look for the info
on section 609 (which is the MVAC test) and you can download the free manual.
If you do get this then it might just be better to leave the system as is and
continue to buy reclaimed R12.

>I have an 87 Monte Carlo w/R12 coolant.  Anyone knows
>what's involved in changing out to R134?
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>
>TIA
 
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