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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Malibu / September 2005

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Overheating problem on Chevy Lumina

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DorianLS - 13 Sep 2005 20:41 GMT
I was just given a 1995 Chevy Lumina with only 45,000 miles.  I notice that
sometimes the car seems to run hot.  Usually the temperature guage is
halfway between cold and redline, but on a few occasions I have noticed it
at 3/4 of the way to redline and on one occasion, after traveling only 8
miles in temperatures not more than the high 80's I found when I parked
that the temperature was all the way up to the redline.  The car seems to
be working alright and I just hope I haven't damaged anything.  I suspect
the thermostat as the radiator looks ok, the fluid is full and not rusty,
the car has been well maintained and there is no noise from the water
pump.  I called a local Chevy dealer and spoke to someone in the parts
department to check on the price of a thermostat which, while higher than
other parts stores is still not overly expensive.  While talking with the
parts person I described my problem and asked him whether he thinks it is
likely to be a thermostat problem (If it is, I have a friend who can fix
it for me).  He said it could be 'millions of things' and that I should
have the service department look at it.  Of course their service
department is expensive and I'm sure they would charge me a fortune.  Is
the parts person right?  Are Chevy's that complicated?  Or (I suspect more
likely) is he just trying to create business for the service department?
Some at Kragen auto parts told me that the problem is not complicated and
he recommends that I replace the thermostat first and avoid the dealer at
all costs.  Which is my inclination, though I thought I would ask here and
see if anyone could advise me.  Thanks - Dorian
Klinger - 14 Sep 2005 04:02 GMT
It could be any one of the following problems:

Thermostat
water pump
rad
rad fan switch
rad fan
leaking hoses
faulty engine gaskets
low coolant or incorrect mixture

That's I all I can think of so far!
451CTDS - 14 Sep 2005 17:32 GMT
  I agree with " stay away from dealer "   Could be nothing more than a
finicky temp sender [ remember 57 Chevys ? ]

    Best bet, drive car until warm, than * carefully * feel around
top hose, bottom hose.  Check again when temp guage warns of high temp

   Modern cars have small radiators, and are sensitive to cooling system
problems. I like low pressure radiator caps ,I use a 57 Chevy  4lb cap
which are available as coolant recovery [ no ears ] or conventional
[ with ears / Stant Lever release ]
DorianLS - 15 Sep 2005 07:56 GMT
I haven't studied the problem closely yet, have only let the car idle until
the fan came on (there are two fans, only one came on.  I assume the other
is for the air conditioner but I need to look into that).  I can't even
remember when the fan came on, but it seemed sufficient to keep the car at
a reasonable temperature.  When I have more time I'll repeat and let the
car run longer and see what happens.  I've driven the car for the past
week without problems.  

Reading through other posts I came across an interesting one which I'll
post for the benefit of anyone else who might find it useful. It alarmed
me at first because I was reminded that a blown head gasket causes
overheating, though my car seems to run fine. He suggests that a blown
head gasket can be mostly ruled out by running the car for 20 or 30
minutes to see if it tops out or boils over.  I'm not sure exactly what
that means.  I'm assuming I would be idling the car with the radiator cap
on, right?  So how could it boil over?  Loss of water through the overfill
tube?  I'm not a mechanic, just someone trying to do some initial
groundwork so I can get an idea of what I'm dealing.  That, hopefully,
should minimize the damages when I do take my car to a mechanic.  Thanks,
Dorian

Re: Temperature Gauge Fluctuating  
The only true way to test the head gasket is to do a cylinder compression
test.....Usually when a head gasket goes it will heat up no matter what
speed you're at.....Mostly the telltail signs of a bad head or head gasket
are...Rapid over heating and /or a misfire,or coolant in the oil...Malibu
has with the dexcool problems with flow restriction from where the coolant
crystalizes in the system over time blocking up the coolant ports....The
3.1 and the 3.4 engines have more problems with intake gaskets than with
head gaskets .At least here where im at......If it doesnt topout and boil
over at idle it might be
something else........Let it idle for about 20 min to a half an hour if it
boils over its the gasket if it doesnt you have air entering the
system somewhere ,Your stat is sticking,or your fans may not be coming on
...Be carefull I've been to some shops where they call a coolant
flush where they drain your Radiator and just refill it and been done but
the oil change guys who are unexperienced ....Which your system
really dont get flushed ya just get new coolant in your Radiator.....A
good shop can run a flow test where they can tell you how much coolant is
pumping in case of a restriction..I can tell you how to run tests yourself
if you need just let me
know....Also i can tell you tricks to watchout for when you take it into
the shop
Steve C
451CTDS - 16 Sep 2005 00:49 GMT
 If it's a blown head gasket, combustion gas will force water out of
radiator at considerable force, here's the drill ....

      When cool, remove radiator cap, top up radiator to full, run
engine, thermostat will open, coolant level may drop [ that's ok ]
top up while running.   When engine is warmed up, race engine while
watching radiator neck, if head gasket is blown, water will gush from
opening. Usually speeding up engine lowers coolant level a small amount
= no spill.
DorianLS - 16 Sep 2005 04:00 GMT
Hey, thanks CTDS.  That makes perfect sense and as my last car DID have a
blown headgasket and did exactly as you state, I am familiar with this
behavior.  Just wasn't clear since I thought a buildup of pressure in the
water system was to be expected so leaving the cap off would cause water
to drain even in a healthy engine.  But my car with a blown head gasket
would blow out the water in the radiator as soon as it warmed up.  I'd
have to bring gallons of water with me, stop every few miles, let the car
cool off a little, then add water.  Got kind of tedious after a while and
my sister took pity and gave me her older car as she was planning on
buying a new one.
Thanks,   Dorian
Dorian
 
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