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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / August 2004

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96 S10 NO POWER

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Roger Rabbid - 23 Aug 2004 00:25 GMT
I have a problem with my 96 S10 (vin X 4.3)

this is what's been done. The engine was rebuilt 25K mile ago. the
fuel pump has approximately 40K on it. I just replaced the ignition
coil. cap, rotor, wires, plugs, MAF sensor, and MAP sensor, the air
filter, and the fuel filter. The truck runs like crap at highway
speed, and stumbles, and has completely lost it's get up and go. I've
used dry gas and injector cleaner in it, and it still runs poorly. I
hooked up an OTC scanner to it and watched the readings.  The timing
jumps from -20 degrees at idle to -40 when under throttle.

I'm one match away from burning this truck... HELP!!!
memset@recorddeal.com - 23 Aug 2004 07:08 GMT
The stuff you replaced... you replaced w/ all new parts? or parts from
another vehicle? If not all new parts, check all of the ignition
components... check spark plug gaps, check ignition wires w/ multimeter,
etc. good luck, bud.

-Mike

--
A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
Cold air intake
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Full Boar turbo mufflers
Hi-speed fan switch
255/60R-15 rear tires

> I have a problem with my 96 S10 (vin X 4.3)
>
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>
>  I'm one match away from burning this truck... HELP!!!
Roger Rabbid - 23 Aug 2004 17:46 GMT
>The stuff you replaced... you replaced w/ all new parts? or parts from
>another vehicle? If not all new parts, check all of the ignition
>components... check spark plug gaps, check ignition wires w/ multimeter,
>etc. good luck, bud.
>
>-Mike

Everything is brand new. The problem started out as a stumble I was
feeling at normal cruising speed, and has progressed to what it
presentlly now it. I fear the problem is something in the fuel system.
memset@recorddeal.com - 23 Aug 2004 18:44 GMT
I've had a pretty bad stumble under acceleration recently... it's been
something that has haunted me in the past as well. Maybe... 4-5 months ago,
I replaced all spark plugs with new Ford Motorcraft Platinum plugs.
Stumbling was gone 100% for a couple days... then came back. I checked spark
plugs & gaps many times. Each time I did, stumbling went away for a day
roughly. I then replaced ignition wires with Ford Motorcraft 8mm wires...
problem went away immediately & stayed gone until very recently... when I
said screw it, got out my wallet, and bought NGK Iridium spark plugs
($7/plug, compared to $2/plug for Ford Motorcraft Platinum plugs). Gapped &
installed 'em... 0 stumbling. Nada. Zip. Zilch. The stumbling would occur
under any type of acceleration, but most commonly during low RPM's (and I
mean if I barely touched the gas pedal or went full throttle). Ah well. HTH.

-Mike

--
A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
Cold air intake
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Full Boar turbo mufflers
Hi-speed fan switch
255/60R-15 rear tires

> >The stuff you replaced... you replaced w/ all new parts? or parts from
> >another vehicle? If not all new parts, check all of the ignition
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> feeling at normal cruising speed, and has progressed to what it
> presentlly now it. I fear the problem is something in the fuel system.
Roger Rabbid - 24 Aug 2004 04:15 GMT
>I've had a pretty bad stumble under acceleration recently... it's been
>something that has haunted me in the past as well. Maybe... 4-5 months ago,
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>-Mike

The things that often work to fix a ford don't always work on a Chevy.
The induction systems are different, especially where my S10 is
concerned. It's an entirely different injection system than what you
might find on a 302 or one of them 4.6's or 5.4's
memset@recorddeal.com - 24 Aug 2004 04:18 GMT
Ignition problems can cause stumbling on any sort of engine though. Worth
looking.

-Mike

--
A happy kid behind the wheel of a 98 Mustang GT
Cold air intake
FRPP 3.73 gears
Steeda Tri-Ax Shifter
Full Boar turbo mufflers
Hi-speed fan switch
255/60R-15 rear tires

> >I've had a pretty bad stumble under acceleration recently... it's been
> >something that has haunted me in the past as well. Maybe... 4-5 months ago,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> concerned. It's an entirely different injection system than what you
> might find on a 302 or one of them 4.6's or 5.4's
Marsh Monster - 24 Aug 2004 05:18 GMT
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.
==========obliterator@comcast.net (Roger Rabbid)
.
I have a problem with my 96 S10 (vin X 4.3)

This is what's been done.

The engine was rebuilt 25K mile ago.
The fuel pump has approximately 40K on it.

I just replaced the....
ignition coil
cap,
rotor,
wires,
plugs,
MAF sensor,
MAP sensor,
air filter,
and the fuel filter.

The truck runs like crap at highway speed, and stumbles, and has
completely lost it's get up and go. I've used dry gas and injector
cleaner in it, and it still runs poorly. I hooked up an OTC scanner to
it and watched the readings. The timing jumps from -20 degrees at idle
to -40 when under throttle.

  I'm one match away from burning this truck... HELP!!!

==========When you had the OTC hooked up.....
What was the STFT and LTFT readings?
What did MAP frequency look like?
Did the O2 readings look good?
O2 cross counts?
TPS readings?

NO CODES?

answer the above....
or.....

Check compression.

Check vacume at idle and under cruise,
pay attention to needle fluctuations AND
readings.

Check exhaust for excessive backpreasure.

Check alternator output.

Check for good ground connections.

Check the ignition module and pickup.

Check the Temp Sensor.

Check the O2 Sensor.

Check the TPS.

Check the IAT sensor.

Test, remove, inspect, and clean the IAC
and the EGR, or replace, and go for another
test drive.

Test fuel flow rate and preasure at high rpms.

Check the ECM.

repair or replace as needed, or post results
for further help. Feel free to test in any order you see fit.

respectfully submitted for your consideration,
~:~
MarshMonster
~passes you a box of Diamonds~
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Roger Rabbid - 29 Aug 2004 23:29 GMT
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Here's what I have done thus far. Replace plugs, wires, cap, rotor,
MAP sensor, MAF,  fuel filter. I cannot get a timing reading off the
harmonic balancer unless I keep retarding the strobe until the mark
comes up on TDC. I'm at the point where I'm going to remove the timing
cover to see if I've got the timing gears out of alignment. As of
today, and the last test drive I took, the engine runs perfectly, and
there's no more skip like I was getting. Before, full throttle would
result in the engine skipping at high rpm, and the code would pull a
random misfire. I changed the plugs today, and it seems to have cured
it of that (for now) My problem is just engine lazyness, like the
timing is too retarded. The clutch converter is now staying locked at
highway speed like it should. Yesterday I had the fluid and filter
changed, but it inself didn't cure the no lockup condition I was
getting before I changed the plugs today. The truck runs like the cat
is clogged. I'm certain that it's not the problem. The engine has just
become lazy.
Scott M - 31 Aug 2004 03:08 GMT
> >.
> >.
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> is clogged. I'm certain that it's not the problem. The engine has just
> become lazy.
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I'll double what MM said, check fuel pressure, preferably while going down
the road under load. If you have the $ to replace all those sensors, you
could buy a $30 pressure gauge. Oh and like MM said, check voltage at the
battery while running=*very* easy test........(just got the feeling you
weren't listening the first time:) Does it ever run good on the highway?
 
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