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Non Linear gas guage, 2003 S-10 pickup

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Andy & Carol - 22 Aug 2004 01:31 GMT
Truck is still under warrenty..After fillup, gas guage stys on Full a long
time but
as soon as it goes past the half tank mark, it drops as though the tank has
a
whole in it!  Are they all like that, or is it time for the dealership?
Andy
TranSurgeon - 22 Aug 2004 01:38 GMT
welcome to the world of el-cheapo tank senders

Dodge are similar:

full = full
3/4 on the gauge = about 2/3
1/2 on the gauge = about 1/4
1/4 on the gauge = you better find a station soon or plan on
walking..........

> Truck is still under warrenty..After fillup, gas guage stys on Full a long
> time but
> as soon as it goes past the half tank mark, it drops as though the tank has
> a
> whole in it!  Are they all like that, or is it time for the dealership?
> Andy
Mike Levy - 22 Aug 2004 05:17 GMT
>welcome to the world of el-cheapo tank senders
>
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>1/4 on the gauge = you better find a station soon or plan on
>walking..........

FWIW, the gauge on my 2000 S-10 is fairly accurate.  There's obviously
some safety margin built in, so you won't run out of gas as soon as it
hits "E".  However, at a computer-calculated (OHC computer) 13.6 MPG,
my gauge just dropped past the 3/4 mark with 77 miles on the tank.
Figure approx. 5.6 gallons used, so in an 18.5 Gal. tank, that's
fairly accurate.

There IS a TSB on a fuel gauge issue, with a revised part number
listed for the sender.  Mention your problem next time you have the
truck in for service (if it ever goes in) and see if they can diagnose
the problem.  That's what your warranty's for.

Oh yeah, my gauge jiggles around a bit when it's down to 1/4 tank left
and I put the truck into reverse from drive.  That's the only time the
"Low Fuel" light comes on in my truck, I usually fill at 1/4-3/8
left...

>> Truck is still under warrenty..After fillup, gas guage stys on Full a long
>> time but
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>> whole in it!  Are they all like that, or is it time for the dealership?
>> Andy
Bret Chase - 22 Aug 2004 14:47 GMT
>:|welcome to the world of el-cheapo tank senders
>:|
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>:|1/4 on the gauge = you better find a station soon or plan on
>:|walking..........

Ain't that the truth... my mom used to have a '88 250 van w/ a 318 in
it... I once let it get down to "E" when I was in HS... I had like .6
gals left in the tank as it sputtered into the gas station.  my dad's
'88 C1500 w/ a 305 he had at the time had about 10 gals left in the
tank when the gauge was on E.  my '88 K2500 w/ a 350 in it gets about
200 miles from full to 3/4, 100 miles from 3/4 to 1/2 and about 100
miles from 1/2 to E.  I've got about 6 gals to spare on mine.

-Bret
GMC Gremlin - 22 Aug 2004 14:47 GMT
Except for my boss'!

FULL=FULL
E=150 MILES more

After a warranty sender exchange... guess they never calibrated? 500 miles
on a 37gal tank...

GMC Gremlin

> welcome to the world of el-cheapo tank senders
>
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> > whole in it!  Are they all like that, or is it time for the dealership?
> > Andy
\ - 22 Aug 2004 04:48 GMT
> Truck is still under warrenty..After fillup, gas guage stys on Full a long
> time but
> as soon as it goes past the half tank mark, it drops as though the tank has
> a
> whole in it!  Are they all like that, or is it time for the dealership?
> Andy

Andy,

Every Chevy I've ever driven is like that.  Nuthin' to worry about.  The
gauge on my old 88' C1500 is so wacky I just go by the trip meter to
determine how much gas I have in the tank!  I get 300 miles on the 1st half
tank, then 150 on the next quarter, then 50 on the last quarter.  ;-)

Doc
Big Chris - 22 Aug 2004 08:17 GMT
"Doc" wrote:
 I get 300 miles on the
> 1st half tank, then 150 on the next quarter, then 50 on the last
> quarter.  ;-)
>
> Doc

My 88 S-10 is almost like your's Doc.  Though I only get about 300 miles on
the whole tank.  The first half goes a long way, the next quarter goes
quick, and when I hit the top of the "E" line I still 2.5 gallons, though I
don't like to run it that low obviously.

Big Chris
One-Shot Scot - 22 Aug 2004 18:58 GMT
> > Truck is still under warrenty..After fillup, gas guage stys on Full
> > a long time but as soon as it goes past the half tank mark, it drops
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>
> Doc

Chevrolet may have finally fixed its erratic, non-linear gas gauges --
at least as far as the 2004 Silverado long bed is concerned.

My 1990 Scottsdale long bed suffered somewhat from erratic readings:

The gauge would stay on "full" for around 60 miles and than read
somewhat-accurately until it got down to 1/4, where it would float
between empty and 1/4 for a while. Then, it would read between 1/8 and
below empty for the next 15 to 20 miles. With the gas tank at this
level, the indicator needle would be all over the lower 1/4 range when
braking and turning. But I never ran out of gas because I always filled
the tank when the needle started to disappear behind the "E" on the
gauge. The truck had a 34 gallon tank, but I never put in more than 31
gallons of gas.

Contrast this erratic behavior with that of my 2004 Silverado:

The fuel gauge is calibrated into 16ths and the needle is very stable,
with no noticeable up and down wandering during hill climbing, turning
or stopping. After a complete fill-up, the indicator needle indicates
"full" for around 20 miles and then it begins a linear decent down to
the empty side of the gauge. Stopping and turning seems to have no
effect on the movement of the indicator needle.

When the gauge indicates "empty", I pump in around 30 to 30.5  gallons
of gas. The only problem is that I'm not sure of the exact capacity of
the gas tank, because GM has published two different specifications:

The 2004 Silverado owner's manual states on page 5-132 that the fuel
tank capacity of the long box is 36.0 gallons, but GM's pickup
literature gives a different capacity. While Chevrolet's "04 Silverado"
catalog does not state the capacity of the fuel tank, GMC's "04 Sierra"
catalog states under "Standard Technical Data" (the pages are not
numbered) that the fuel tank capacity of the long bed is 34.0 gallons.

I always get the dealer brochures for both GMC and Chevrolet trucks
because they provide a wealth of specifications which are not available
in the owner's manual. I am not always inclined to believe what is
stated in the owner's manual, because there were inaccuracies in my 1990
Chevrolet manual. For example, all of the tail light bulb specifications
were for the 1989 twist-in bulbs, when in fact, the 1990 had push-in
flashbulb types. Even the Helm manual had inaccuracies, for example, the
1990 service manual showed headlight diagrams for the 1988-89 dual-glass
headlights, when the 1990 truck had a one piece design with replaceable
bulbs.

In this particular instance, I am inclined to believe that the fuel tank
capacity is actually 36 gallons, because, on a tank of this size, there
seems to be the usual 4 gallon reserve when the gauge reads empty.
This 4 gallon reserve is typical of what I experienced with my 1990 long
bed and I have heard from others that they have had similar experiences
with full-size GM long beds. This also ties in with my experience with
the gas gauge on my 2004 Silverado. Therefore, I have tentatively
concluded the following:

Each of the 1/16th-tank increments of the gas gauge represents 2
gallons, with the remaining 4 gallons held in reserve, and therefore,
not counted. I also experimented with filling the tank when it read 1/2.
Sure enough, the tank took 16.3 gallons. Now, with Northern California
gas prices hovering around $2 per gallon, I find myself looking at the
gas gauge and computing my fuel costs by counting the 1/16th increments
down from the full side; $4 - $8 - $12 - $16 etc. When the gauge reads
"Empty", I know that it will cost me another $65, and that is
depressing.
Richard B - 23 Aug 2004 01:49 GMT
> Chevrolet may have finally fixed its erratic, non-linear gas gauges --
> at least as far as the 2004 Silverado long bed is concerned.

I've noticed that my 2004 Sierra is the first vehicle i've owned that
has most truthful and accurate guage.  The needle doesn't stay on full
forever and then drop like a stone like most vehicles.  I once read that
this was done deliberatly because it made people feel like they were
going further for the money (at least just after it was filled up).  The
Sierra doesn't stay on full very long at all (4.8L V8) and it is very
linear all the way down.
One-Shot Scot - 23 Aug 2004 02:34 GMT
> > Chevrolet may have finally fixed its erratic, non-linear gas
> > gauges -- at least as far as the 2004 Silverado long bed is
> > concerned.

> I've noticed that my 2004 Sierra is the first vehicle i've owned
> that has most truthful and accurate guage.  The needle doesn't
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> it was filled up).  The Sierra doesn't stay on full very long at all
> (4.8L V8) and it is very linear all the way down.

I was thinking that the fuel level on the 2004 Sierra/Silverado may be
determined by a new system which does not involve the use of a
traditional float.

Whatever the design, I have had the same experience with the gas gauge
being very accurate.

As far a gas gauge staying on full for an especially long time is
concerned, this could very well be a manufacturer's smoke and mirrors
trick. The customer has just spent a lot of money filling up the tank
and now he will feel that he is really stretching his gas dollar, until
the sting of filling up has worn off.
twins0203 - 22 Aug 2004 05:15 GMT
I think it is time for a dealership trip.  Must be something wrong w/
the sending unit cause I have an 01 that works fine, and I have a 99
that does sorta the same thing except sometimes it'll jump around from
full to empty.  I'd say since its under warranty let them fix it for
ya.

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twins0203

Andy & Carol - 23 Aug 2004 00:29 GMT
Thanks everybody...I thought that I was being to fussy, but the Hondas in
our family
are dead on, I just cannot understand why Chevy cant get it right. It just
frightens my wife
into thinking she is runnning out of gas. She has a Honda, and it is pretty
accurate
Andy.

> Truck is still under warrenty..After fillup, gas guage stys on Full a long
> time but
> as soon as it goes past the half tank mark, it drops as though the tank has
> a
> whole in it!  Are they all like that, or is it time for the dealership?
> Andy
jason - 23 Aug 2004 03:06 GMT
I have had 4 or 5 chevy trucks and they all did that...they stayed on
full for 100 miles....the last 1/4 didn't meant only about 30 miles
until empty...I have gotten used to it.

>Thanks everybody...I thought that I was being to fussy, but the Hondas in
>our family
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>> whole in it!  Are they all like that, or is it time for the dealership?
>> Andy
 
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