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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / May 2007S10 experience
Hi All, I bought a '99 S10 new - currently have 97,000 miles. I'm not particularly happy with this truck. Replaced: 1. drivers door hinges 2. starter 3. thermostat 4. short exhaust pipe that connects directly to exhaust manifold 5. clutch master 6. rear view mirror fell off -- re-glued The clutch master assy is an engineering design disaster. What should have taken max 20 minutes to replace and bleed took several hours. What kind of experience have you folks have had with the S10? Is my experience typical? > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > 5. clutch master > 6. rear view mirror fell off -- re-glued It sounds like you really didn't have anything but trivial problems. What are you going to do when you have a real problem? > The clutch master assy is an engineering design disaster. What should > have > taken max 20 minutes to replace and bleed took several hours. This would be more attributed to improper installation and/or bleeding techniques. > What kind of experience have you folks have had with the S10? Is my > experience typical? Yes, very typical. You have a great little truck that is very hard to beat. I'll bet you if properly taken care of you'll get 20-years out of that truck. Rita Rita Ä Berkowitz wrote: >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> 5. clutch master >> 6. rear view mirror fell off -- re-glued Oh, forgot to mention - The air conditioner is intermittent. Also, drivers side windshield wiper arm went bad. Spring tension was insufficient to clear the glass. First time in my history I've ever replaced a wiper arm. > It sounds like you really didn't have anything but trivial problems. What > are you going to do when you have a real problem? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > This would be more attributed to improper installation and/or bleeding > techniques. I guess it depends on perspective. I came from a toyota truck where I had my first problem at 138K miles - bad thermostat. As far as mechanical technique, my first car had an oil bath air cleaner and 3-on-the-column ('54 chev). I know utterly crap design when I see it. > Oh, forgot to mention - The air conditioner is intermittent. Also, > drivers > side windshield wiper arm went bad. Spring tension was insufficient to > clear the glass. First time in my history I've ever replaced a wiper arm. Yes, that would definitely clinch it for me. I would say you have a lemon. I would sell it and get Tundra. > I guess it depends on perspective. I came from a toyota truck where I had > my first problem at 138K miles - bad thermostat. As far as mechanical > technique, my first car had an oil bath air cleaner and 3-on-the-column > ('54 chev). I know utterly crap design when I see it. Very true, it's all perspective. I have beaten the hell out of S-10 trucks were I severely overloaded them 2,000# plus payload many times and also taken offroading in some of the harshest places and I have had no complaints. Toyota makes great reliable trucks if you could just keep the sheet metal on them. Rita > > Hi All, > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Rita But in comparison I have a 1999 K1500 with a 5.7 liter and have done nothing to it as far as repairs. It's on it's second set of tires, second set of brakes, changed the cap, rotor and plugs once. Other than that just fluid, filters, thermostat changes at required intervals. Nothing has ever broken or failed to work as it should. Oh yeah I put a CAT back exhaust system on because I wanted to. I still have the original exhaust. Brian I hate to sound like a dick, but the reason that S10 is going screwy is because it's a mini-truck. I've never had good experiences with mini-trucks. GMC Gremlin > > > Hi All, > > > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Brian Well there is some truth to what you say as I believe the same. The reason I prefer to drive a full size truck over a car is they're built heavier than cars or light trucks and seam to require less repairs. At least in my experiences. Brian > I hate to sound like a dick, but the reason that S10 is going screwy is > because it's a mini-truck. I've never had good experiences with mini-trucks. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > > > Brian > Hi All, > I bought a '99 S10 new - currently have 97,000 miles. I'm not [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > What kind of experience have you folks have had with the S10? Is my > experience typical? I bought a 91 S10 brand new in Oct 90, still have it, it has 117k miles right now. The best vehicle I ever owned. I have used it mainly as a 1 person car, with occaisional light truck duty. In 14 years I have put 4 sets of tires on it, an alternator, 2 batteries, rebuilt the ac compressor, 2 sets of brakes, 1 muffler and pipe, 1 hubcap, 2 headlights, 2 brake lights, 1 headliner and about 50 oil changes. I haven't been a slave to this truck maintenance wise and some would say I've been downright negligent. It has the small v6 and a 5 speed. Low on power but very dependable, and it has consistently gotten 20 mpg. When I bought the truck for $8800 cash I immediately had a bed liner installed, a dash cover and window tint. Now, the tint needs to be replaced, the window rubber needs to be replaced, and the seat needs to be reupholstered. Other than those few things I am still happy and comfortable with my S10. I truly believe I got a reverse lemon with this truck. I'd like to have a new truck but I just can't justify the enormous cost. >Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >What kind of experience have you folks have had with the S10? Is my >experience typical? I've own three S-10's. All have been used primarily as commuters with in bed hauling duty for my Harley. My current `02 4.3 liter extended cab LS has about 50K. The only problem I've had is with wiper blades. For some reason the dam thing eats wiper blades like crazy. My previous two were an `86 base truck with an iron duke and no options. I ran it to 137k over the course of ten years with no major issues other then normal maintenance stuff. It was sold an I bought a `96 LS regular cab which had just shy of 120k on it when some stupid woman ran a stop sign, broadsides it and totaled it out. The only reason I would not buy another one is that they don't make em no more. -- When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant. > I've own three S-10's. All have been used primarily as commuters with > in bed hauling duty for my Harley. My current `02 4.3 liter extended > cab LS has about 50K. The only problem I've had is with wiper blades. > For some reason the dam thing eats wiper blades like crazy. I put my '78 FLH in the bed and my nose goes 20 degrees up. No kiddin' - handles like sh.t. >> I've own three S-10's. All have been used primarily as commuters with >> in bed hauling duty for my Harley. My current `02 4.3 liter extended [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I put my '78 FLH in the bed and my nose goes 20 degrees up. No kiddin' - >handles like sh.t. Mine certainly does squat with my `99 FXSTC in it, but the handling actually improves. I really wanted to get one of the new style F-150's, but I am a cheap bastard and will not pay 25k plus for a truck with little to no options. -- When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant. my 96 has 167K on it. replaced: water pump (once) Ujoints (3 times) Alternator (once) Ball joints (numerous times-lost count) 4X4 servo/actuator (3 times) refilled A/C (once) battery (once) drivers door hinge (once) broken and not getting replaced - ABS sepentine belt (twice) belt tensioner (once) fuel tank pressuer sensor (twice -going on three times) fuel pump (once) EGR valve (once) VCM (once - in warrenty) Tail gate cables (twice) Still have not replaced: Oxygen sensors or shocks It is beginning to rust thru on the bottom of the tail gate THe transmission is giving me ttroubles now ( some slippage and jerkyness) Luckly, the wipers have not acted up. I believe this to be typical of an S10. Consumers reports rated it worst than average on repairs (for a 96). ALL in all, It's not the most reliable but I've had alot worse. > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > What kind of experience have you folks have had with the S10? Is my > experience typical? This is so weird for a mini-truck. NO electrical problems mentioned. My '88 had nothin wrong but electrical issues!!! GMC Gremlin > my 96 has 167K on it. replaced: > water pump (once) [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > What kind of experience have you folks have had with the S10? Is my > > experience typical? I've been lurking here for a while, and thought I'd jump in on this topic. I bought my first GMC S-15 (1988) when it was 6 years old w/ 90k miles. I did normal maintenance with it, had some repairs, including freeze plugs, starter, distributor cap, combination valve and the like. Sold it to a friend w/ 155k on it. (then the engine went a few months later...) I then bought the 93 Sonoma I have now. Bought it in 1999 w/ 44k miles. Both trucks are 2WD, w/ the 4.3L and AT. The '93 has been much worse for repairs, but it has the 4.3 high output engine - fuel injector alone was $1100 to repair. 2 EGR valves, intake manifold, starter. But, I have to say, the '93 is still on the original rear brakes and shocks at 107k. It's used primarily for commuting, but does get loaded up when we go camping, including a 1500-mile road trip at 102k miles. Fuel economy still running around 20 MPG. > it has the 4.3 high output engine - fuel injector alone was $1100 to > repair. Good lord... what's the difference between the high output and the regular 4.3L engines? I just replaced both injectors on the 4.3L in my '93 C1500 fullsize, and they were $60 a piece. -Tony >> it has the 4.3 high output engine - fuel injector alone was $1100 to >> repair. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >-Tony The HO was the CPI "W" engine. Replacing mine cost me $300 in parts and did my own labor, but it's a little more involved than replacing TBI injectors. The upper plenum has to come apart to get to the injector... I'd say you're about average. My opinions are under the items they refer to. >my 96 has 167K on it. replaced: >water pump (once) Sounds about right, was probably leaking, right? Seals get old and weak. >Ujoints (3 times) >Alternator (once) Shocked it wasn't more than this, though my 94 Jimmy's alternator didn't go till 110,000. >Ball joints (numerous times-lost count) Ball joints on these can be "checked" as worn and really not be. >4X4 servo/actuator (3 times) Common problem with the platform >refilled A/C (once) >battery (once) Again, shocked it wasn't more than this. >drivers door hinge (once) >broken and not getting replaced - ABS >sepentine belt (twice) Should have been at least double, this is a maintenence item. >belt tensioner (once) >fuel tank pressuer sensor (twice -going on three times) >fuel pump (once) Got 110,000 on the aforementioned Jimmy's pump. Not terrible, but also not great. >EGR valve (once) >VCM (once - in warrenty) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >than average on repairs (for a 96). >ALL in all, It's not the most reliable but I've had alot worse. Shall I list my 94's problems. Keep in mind, this was only between 1998 and the end of 2003. Between 61,000 and 115,000 miles. Fuel tank rusted through Fuel pump Various rust spots 2 full tune-ups Intake gaskets (once) Alternator Fuel injector (common problem, truck had the CPI motor, had the spider injector) Tires Brakes, including one master cylinder Heater core Oil changes Low-pressure switch on accumulator for A/C, caused intermittent operation 4x4 vacuum switch CV shaft Shocks That's all I paid out of pocket for. I had other misc. items that were covered by insurance due to a couple accidents. U-joints never failed, ball-joints were still good, steering linkage was still good, all OE AFAIK. My EGR was done at no cost to me, special policy coverage that has since expired. Covered replacing the EGR and the PROM to prevent carbon blockages. I went ahead and bought a 2000 S-10 in Dec. I was happy with how the old truck performed, how it held up to my abuse, was involved in TWO accidents doing nearly $6,000 damage each time, I came out un-hurt and the truck drove perfectly fine after repairs. I also knew, after the first truck, the basics of working on the platform. Now, to start making more money so I can take advantage of the aftermarket support this truck has for modifications. Just simple, such as exhaust, ignition and a re-programmed computer... >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> What kind of experience have you folks have had with the S10? Is my >> experience typical? >>drivers door hinge (once) >>broken and not getting replaced - ABS >>sepentine belt (twice) > > Should have been at least double, this is a maintenence item. Drivers door hinge is a maintenance (wear) item??? This would be a new low in the automotive world. >>>drivers door hinge (once) >>>broken and not getting replaced - ABS [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > low > in the automotive world. Not the hinge, the belt >>>drivers door hinge (once) >>>broken and not getting replaced - ABS [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Drivers door hinge is a maintenance (wear) item??? This would be a new low >in the automotive world. No, I was speaking to the serpentine, not the hinges. Should have separated them but it was late... I cannot understand why some people complain about the S-10. I have a 89 extended cab with the 4.3 motor and 700R4 tranny and over 300,000 original miles. I have never had any problems with the engine. I had the tranny rebuilt and GM was surpized the tranny went 250,000+ miles before any problem arose. Normally, the early R4's did not last very long, approx 100,000 miles before rebuild. The only thing GM could contribute to my success was due to regular maintence. I would change the filter and fluid on the tranny every other oil change. The motor has just developed a small problem, the valve seals. I will be replacing those soon, but am in no real hurry. I have seen vehicles with similar problems go for several thousand miles with bad seals, just have to deal with the smoke when cranking up a cold engine. In any event, I am extreemly happy with my truck, and yes, there have been a few small problems, but that will happen an any vehilce with as many miles as mine has. Thanks for taking the time to read this. |
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