 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / December 2004Oh crap, flubbed distributor install 85 Chevy Silverado!@#$%
Ok, yes I have installed distibutors before on numerous Pontiacs but... I pulled the old distributor straight out and the new distributor straight in. I made several markings before hand to ensure that I would place the distributor in exactly the same position. And yet when I seat the distributor fully in place, the rotor is about 1 inch clockwise away from the original position. Am I still ok, should I just put everything back and crank it up? I would hate to go through all of that TDC mess. >Ok, yes I have installed distibutors before on numerous Pontiacs but... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >everything back and crank it up? I would hate to go through all of that >TDC mess. Pull it back out and start 1" counterclockwise, it's rotating as the gears engage. DJ >>Ok, yes I have installed distibutors before on numerous Pontiacs but... >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > DJ Exactly, he's off a tooth or two. He might have to manually rotate the oil pump shaft as well to get the whole thing to go together correctly. Doc This sounds like I will have to do this. But how do I rotate the oil pump shaft? And will this throw off the timing? Also in which direction can you rotate the oil pump shaft? can you back it out to quarter turn to where it is suppose to be or do you have to move it all the way forward until it gets back to the proper position??? >Also in which direction can you rotate the oil pump shaft? can you back >it out to quarter turn to where it is suppose to be or do you have to >move it all the way forward until it gets back to the proper position??? The oil pump is a simple gear pump. You can move it in either direction as much or as little as you want. You will need a long flat screwdriver or some other tool. Some of us have an old distributor shaft w/o the gear to turn the pump with. Takes quite a bit of guesstimating to get the sweet spot as the distributor turns while you guide it into position because the gears are not straight (spur) gears. Anyway, your oil pump should be close as all you did was remove the old distributor and you didn't turn the engine - right? -- Best Regards Gordie Yes, I DID NOT CRANK THE ENGINE. but I thought that the rotor also had to to facing in the exact same direction as it did when you pulled the old distruburtor out? Also using an old distributor to manipulate the pump is a great idea I was thinking about just that. Ok, I tried the screw driver it didnt seem like i was moving anything. i can't see anything so I am going by feel. I am assuming that i push down on the oil pump gear, yes? Also, how would I convert an old distributor to turn the oil gear for me? >Ok, I tried the screw driver it didnt seem like i was moving anything. >i can't see anything so I am going by feel. I am assuming that i push >down on the oil pump gear, yes? Also, how would I convert an old >distributor to turn the oil gear for me? Look at the bottom of the distributor shaft. It looks like a flat bladed screwdriver. You do not have to push down. Just feel for the slot and engage it to turn the pump. The distributor shaft removed from the distributor body and w/o the gear can be used to turn the pump. No offense but by now I would have either gotten the thing running or found someone who can. Are you sure you can handle this job? -- Best Regards Gordie As a matter of fact I do take offense. If I knew exactly what the deal was I wouldn't need to ask questions on a newsgroup now would I. Not to mention I am only able to spend 15 minutes a day looking at it since I have something called a job, so I won't be able to do any real work on it until this weekend, MEANWHILE ... I am asking questions before hand so I don't just jump right in and create even more work for myself (because I have found it is always best to ask lots of questions first and look stupid, then creating a simple mistake that will cost me a brand new engine ...don't you agree?). And no offense but what would spur a person to say such an asinine thing? > As a matter of fact I do take offense. If I knew exactly what the deal > was I wouldn't need to ask questions on a newsgroup now would I. Not to > mention I am only able to spend 15 minutes a day looking at it since I > have something called a job, <shred> So, you work 23 hours and 45 minutes every day of the week? Okie dokie...... > > As a matter of fact I do take offense. If I knew exactly what the deal > > was I wouldn't need to ask questions on a newsgroup now would I. Not to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So, you work 23 hours and 45 minutes every day of the week? > Okie dokie...... The way I see it, if you guys can't help CarGuy out you should shut the F up... Good luck with your project, CarGuy! >> > As a matter of fact I do take offense. If I knew exactly what the deal >> > was I wouldn't need to ask questions on a newsgroup now would I. Not to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The way I see it, if you guys can't help CarGuy out you should shut the F > up... Does that apply to you too? > >> > As a matter of fact I do take offense. If I knew exactly what the deal > >> > was I wouldn't need to ask questions on a newsgroup now would I. Not to [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Does that apply to you too? In this case, no. >> >> > As a matter of fact I do take offense. If I knew exactly what the > deal [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > In this case, no. I see. Is your last name Stalin? No smart-alec I have a wife and a child to take care of the 15 hours and 45 minutes of the day. And who asked you to chime in? > No smart-alec I have a wife and a child to take care of the 15 hours > and 45 minutes of the day. Who takes care of them the other 8 hours? And who asked you to chime in? Your stupid post was an open invitation. Quit wasting time in usenet and go take care of your wife. What are you the new moderator? He can post all the dumb a.s questions he wants. He can ask if you turn a nut left or right if he wants, DON. GMC Gremlin > > No smart-alec I have a wife and a child to take care of the 15 hours > > and 45 minutes of the day. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Your stupid post was an open invitation. > Quit wasting time in usenet and go take care of your wife. >As a matter of fact I do take offense. If I knew exactly what the deal >was I wouldn't need to ask questions on a newsgroup now would I. Not to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >brand new engine ...don't you agree?). And no offense but what would >spur a person to say such an asinine thing? Well, You jumped in and changed a distribute without checking first or your wouldn't be in this position. You cannot tell that the shape of the bottom of the distributor shaft looks like a screwdriver. You have no idea what the oil pump looks like much less how it operates or what drives it. You cannot look at a helical cut gear and tell that it would turn as it goes into mesh. You cannot figure out how to use an old shaft to turn the distributor and are unable to determine that the gear needs to be removed and this is only after failing to use a simple screwdriver to accomplish the simplest of feats. I dunno but I think you may not be up to the job. -- Best Regards Gordie Good lord you guys sure are being quite the a.sholes. I've done more work than I can recall on engines and mechanical equiptment, yet sometimes I still post on here when I get stumped on somthing. It's nice to get a second opinion on somthing you're unsure of. Unless you're all the Distributor Kings of the World, give the guy a break for Christ's sake. This is why so many people only post one thread and you never hear from them again. People who have nothing constructive or helpful to say can't just keep their mouths shut. ANYWAY... back to the subject at hand. CarGuy, I've got an old distributor with the gear taken off of it. I install that one and line the rotor up with the #1 plug wire position. Then I pull it out (don't have to turn it since there's no gear, so you know the pump shaft won't move). Make sure the engine is at the 0-deg. mark on the compression stroke of the #1 cylinder. Then install the original distributor and it should line up just fine. (you will have to re-time it with a timing light once you get it running) -Tony http://www.hosstyle.com/cupof.htm > Good lord you guys sure are being quite the a.sholes. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > -Tony How old are you 12? Hi! > http://www.hosstyle.com/cupof.htm Geeze, you can't even seem to tell somebody off the RIGHT way. And it still has nothing to do with installing a new dizzy. William The Guesser Thanks, I actually got it done I just stuck a penlight in the distributor hole, got the longest flathead screwdriver I had and turned it until the distributer matched up with the markings. The initial touble I was having was trying to do turn by feel but I didn't realize how small the head of the oil pump shaft was so I kept missing it. Thanks for all of your help though. Up to the job and finished, jack.You know that is why people post to newgroups so that other can impart their wisdom. You obviously have none so you feel the need to make inane comments. I do not do this for a living it is merely a pasttime. I build N-Tier applications for a living do you know how to do that? Obviously you are a very "small" man to feel the need, in a vain attempt, to belittle people in a public forum. Next time unles it is constructive keep your comments to your self. Because it is actually you who ends up looking like an idiot. yawn > Up to the job and finished, jack.You know that is why people post to > newgroups so that other can impart their wisdom. You obviously have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > forum. Next time unles it is constructive keep your comments to your > self. Because it is actually you who ends up looking like an idiot. Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid. Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. > Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. If you had someone bump the starter while gently pushing down on the distributor housing with finger tips, it would have dropped into place and been in time. I never understood all the concern about getting the distributor perfectly installed as factory new, unless it was a rice rocket with a slot for the lock down bolt that limited the amount the housing could be moved for timing. Whitelightning >> Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. > > If you had someone bump the starter while gently pushing down on the > distributor housing with finger tips, it would have dropped into place > and > been in time. You have GOT to be kidding me. You are joking right? Doc > >> Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Doc Not at all Doc, been doing it that way for well over 30 years. Both my Glens Service Manuals and my Mitchell Service Manuals it give that same method for Chevy engines. To quote a Glens Service Manual- Engine disturbed- "Remove number 1 spark plug, place finger over hole and crank until compression is felt. Continue cranking until timing marks aligned. Position distributor to opening in the block in normal installed attitude, have rotor pointing to front of engine. Turn rotor counterclockwise about one-eighth of a turn toward the left cylinder bank. Push the distributor down so as to engage the camshaft and while holding so, turn the engine with the starter so that the distributor shaft engages the oil pump shaft." My Mitchell are worded almost verbatim to the above. While the "engine" was not "disturbed" in the original post, removing the distributor always disturbs the oil pump shaft on Chevy engines.. So explain to me why you find this time tested method to be a "joke" Whitelightning >> >> Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. >> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >explain to me why you find this time tested method to be a "joke" >Whitelightning WOW! You are correct. It is not the timing that is the problem, it is the oil pump drive. According to what you quote the timing would be OK and then the engine would turn the crank/cam/distributor until the shaft drops into the slot. -- Best Regards Gordie > While the "engine" was not "disturbed" in the original post, removing the > distributor always disturbs the oil pump shaft on Chevy engines.. So > explain to me why you find this time tested method to be a "joke" > Whitelightning Believe it or not, in all the years I've been wrenching I have never heard of it being done that way. I asked if it was a joke more because it's so goddamn easy compared to turning the shaft with a screwdriver. I was irritated I'd never heard of it being done that way before, he he he. While I still don't like the idea of bumping the engine till the dizzy seats in the OP, I do like the idea of doing it that way with a breaker bar on the crank pulley................. Doc Dunno what your problem is Don, But you have yet to contribute anything useful to this thread... other than making yourself look like a dumb-a.s. -Tony > Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. I said nothing to you at all until you jumped on me, Tony. WTF is your problem? > Dunno what your problem is Don, But you have yet to contribute > anything useful to this thread... other than making yourself look like [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >> Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. *plonk* > I said nothing to you at all until you jumped on me, Tony. > WTF is your problem? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > >> Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. CarGuy, Always remember and never forget; I hate arguing with morons. They drag you down too your level and beat you with experience. Keep on truckin' GMC Gremlin > Exactly, go play with your PS2 kid because your are boring me. Hi! CarGuy, I don't know where this don fellow came from...or if he's been here before...and nor do I really care, but one thing seems to be a rarity here--and that's the common courtesy. Every now and again somebody just posts the right thing (and there's no tellin' for sure what that will be) and it gets people going in a big way. Don't let it put you out on the group. There are some decent people in here who know their stuff. I can't count myself one, but I do enjoy the worthwhile conversation that crops now and again and I pass on what little I can share in the hope that it will help others. By the way, what's an N-Tier application? I do computer hardware work (not really software, other than OS install, patch, maintain...train every now and again) so I'm not familiar with the term. William The Guesser I don't pay any attention to idiots like that he is just a "Flame-Baiter". He desperately needs attention because mommy didn't give him enough when he was a baby. He is also between 12 and 15 and his parents don't know he has the parental control password. This is a great group I enjoy the feedback I get from the guys here and my truck appreciates it to. Hello CarGuy, That's the spirit!!! Don't take the bait next time, unless you just can't resist a Master Baiter... (Now, if you think of it that way, it'll be easier to resist, huh?) Regards, Franko > I don't pay any attention to idiots like that he is just a > "Flame-Baiter". He desperately needs attention because mommy didn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > This is a great group I enjoy the feedback I get from the guys here and > my truck appreciates it to. Ok, so are you saying move the rotor back counterclockwise 1" because it only fully seats in one position. I tried doing just that and position it exactly as it was it just doesn't seat fully. > Ok, so are you saying move the rotor back counterclockwise 1" because > it only fully seats in one position. I tried doing just that and > position it exactly as it was it just doesn't seat fully. The oil pump shaft is slotted. The end of your distributor fits into the slot. The camshaft turns the distributor, the distributor turns the oil pump. Because you are one or two teeth off on the cam gear, this means the pump shaft has turned as well, and you will not be able to get it to line up correctly without rotating the OP shaft. Look down the dizzy hole and you'll see it. Do NOT push down on it, just slide the flat screwdriver into the slot and it will freely turn in either direction. You need to start inserting the distributor with the rotor facing counterclockwise from where you want it to be. The gears are angled so as the dizzy slides in the rotor will rotate clockwise to where you want it to be. Unless the OP shaft is in the correct position it will not sit all the way down against the intake manifold like you describe above. As long as the motor hasn't been turned from where you left it, you're still in good shape. Doc Hey guys...keep in mind that he hasn't "cranked the motor"...but no one has asked if the vehicle has been bumped or rolled whilst in gear...which, of course, is as bad as "cranking". I just put a new distributor into my '97 Sierra 5.7 last week (stupid tabs for the cap screws had cracked) and made sure that nothing touched my truck while the dis' was out...and yes...the dis' does have to start almost a quarter of a turn from your alignment marks in order to fall into the original position. I was pleasantly suprised at how easy it was. I am sorry that you are having problems. |
Reply to this Message |
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2008 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.