>I have a 2004 Silverado and tried to find out the capacity of the
> windshield washer reservoir by looking in the capacities section of the
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> Has anyone got a recipe for a non-freezing, windshield washer solution?
> That is, a solution that won't harm glass, plastic, rubber or metal?
I also have a 2004 Silverado (2500hd Duramax reg cab) bought in July.
Monday and Tuesday the temp got down to the lower single digits 0-5. The
washer fluid did not freeze nor did it slush up. in other words it not
change at all. only worry about what you add to top it off.......
One-Shot Scot - 22 Dec 2004 18:21 GMT
> > The representative was unable to tell me if the factory-installed
> > windshield washer solution had antifreeze protection, but he guessed
> > that the solution was probably GM Opticlean, part #1051515. I still
> > don't know if the GM product has any antifreeze protection. > >
<<I also have a 2004 Silverado (2500hd Duramax reg cab) bought in July.
Monday and Tuesday the temp got down to the lower single digits 0-5.
The washer fluid did not freeze nor did it slush up. in other words it
not change at all. only worry about what you add to top it off.......>>
Thanks. I am assuming that all brands of commercial windshield washer
solution are compatible with each other.
Rufus T. Firefly - 22 Dec 2004 18:48 GMT
Just for comment: I supplement my washer waser fluid with "Rain-X"
> Thanks. I am assuming that all brands of commercial windshield washer
> solution are compatible with each other.
One-Shot Scot - 23 Dec 2004 17:04 GMT
> > Thanks. I am assuming that all brands of commercial windshield
> > washer solution are compatible with each other.
> Just for comment: I supplement my washer washer fluid with "Rain-X"
Thanks.
I have found that Chevrolet is very secretive when it comes to its
factory-installed fluids and oils.
If you don't believe me, call Chevrolet and ask them these questions:
* What is the brand and what is the viscosity of the oil that came with
my new truck?
* What is the brand and what is the temperature protection of the
windshield washer fluid that came with my new truck?
>> Has anyone got a recipe for a non-freezing, windshield washer solution?
> That is, a solution that won't harm glass, plastic, rubber or metal?
I found Prestone De-Icer worked about the best when I drove truck for a
living.
Whitelightning
One-Shot Scot - 23 Dec 2004 17:05 GMT
> I found Prestone De-Icer worked about the best when I drove truck
> for a living.
>
> Whitelightning
Thanks.
Does the Prestone De-Icer allow you to mix the windshield washer
antifreeze to match the climate?
If not, you may be interested in these links:
http://www.valvoline.com/pages/products/product_detail.asp?product=43
http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/search_results
_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr619127&prmenbrX06
> I have a 2004 Silverado and tried to find out the capacity of the
> windshield washer reservoir by looking in the capacities section of the
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Has anyone got a recipe for a non-freezing, windshield washer solution?
> That is, a solution that won't harm glass, plastic, rubber or metal?
At the Gas Station/Parts shop... Cheap Blue Water goes to -10 Deg F
Expensive Blue Water goes down to -30 Deg
F...
Read the Blue Water Jug information...
I run a 2000 4x4 Chevy LT Silverado 5.3 Ext Cab....
Using some Rain-X in the fill bottle in Summer is a Nice water shed
feature!!!!
Is Rain -X just Potato juice??
One-Shot Scot - 23 Dec 2004 17:05 GMT
> At the Gas Station/Parts shop... Cheap Blue Water goes
> to -10 Deg F
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>
> Is Rain -X just Potato juice??
Thanks.
Does the Blue Water allow you to mix the windshield washer antifreeze to
match the climate?
If not, you may be interested in these links:
http://www.valvoline.com/pages/products/product_detail.asp?product=43
http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/search_results
_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr619127&prmenbrX06
Inline...............
>I have a 2004 Silverado and tried to find out the capacity of the
> windshield washer reservoir by looking in the capacities section of the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> measure the amount that I put back in, but there doesn't seem to be an
> easy way to drain the thing.
WHO GIVES A sh.t!? Just fill the goddamn thing till it's full!
> The representative was unable to tell me if the factory-installed
> windshield washer solution had antifreeze protection, but he guessed
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> into the reservoir and the reservoir appears to be about 1 quart low
> now.
Bwahahahahaha! All washer solutions have some amount of alcohol in them,
even the "summer bug juice" has a small amount to get it to evaporate faster
and give you a nice dry windsheild. You think way too hard and spend way to
much time on stupid, stupid, stupid sh.t!
> As usual, the owner's manual offers little help in selecting the proper
> antifreeze solution for the windshield washer solution:
Uhhhhh, DUH. Whatever they sell at the gas station, supermarket, wherever.
> Has anyone got a recipe for a non-freezing, windshield washer solution?
> That is, a solution that won't harm glass, plastic, rubber or metal?
At $0.96 a gallon pretty much anywhere you're still gunna take the time make
your own! Bwahahahahahaha!
I can't wait for the thread when the time finally comes for you to change
your oil and you have to decide which oil and filter to use! That will be
downright hilarious!
Thanks for the laugh (at your expense)
Doc
Bob - 23 Dec 2004 04:15 GMT
> Inline...............
>
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>
> WHO GIVES A sh.t!? Just fill the goddamn thing till it's full!
No kidding, next he'll be asking how many cubic ft of air his tires hold. I
can't believe how anal some people can be.
Bob
Bob La Londe - 23 Dec 2004 14:08 GMT
> > Inline...............
> >
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> can't believe how anal some people can be.
> Bob
Uh, how many cubic feet of air do his tires hold?

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One-Shot Scot - 23 Dec 2004 16:43 GMT
>I have a 2004 Silverado and tried to find out the capacity of the
> windshield washer reservoir by looking in the capacities section of
> the owner's manual.
<<WHO GIVES A sh.t!? Just fill the goddamn thing till it's full!>>
Because you are this newsgroup's self-appointed guru, I will take the
time to address each of your concerns.
The reason that I needed to know the capacity of the washer reservoir is
because the Methyl Alcohol solvent that I bought has a chart which lists
various freezing points and the amount of solution needed to obtain the
desired result:
Freezing Point ºF Solvent Water VOC Limit
+28 1 12 8%
+23 1 9 10%
+12 1 4 20%
+5 1 3 25%
-12 1 2 35%
-45 1 1 50%
If the reservoir were empty, there would be no problem. However, because
the reservoir was nearly full, I needed to know its capacity in order to
mix the proper Solvent to Water solution required to create a -12º F
mixture. I have no idea what antifreeze protection is in the current
solution, because I have added to it several times.
I prefer being able to mix the windshield washer antifreeze to match the
climate. This is not possible with pre-mixed formulas, but the
concentrated solvent that I now have allows me to adjust the antifreeze
concentration to the climate to which I will be traveling.
> The representative was unable to tell me if the factory-installed
> windshield washer solution had antifreeze protection, but he guessed
> that the solution was probably GM Opticlean, part #1051515.
<<Bwahahahahaha! All washer solutions have some amount of alcohol in
them, even the "summer bug juice" has a small amount to get it to
evaporate faster and give you a nice dry windsheild.>>
You mean like this one that I have here from Vision Manufacturing?:
Instant Brand Windshield Washer Fluid/De-Icer
"Freeze Protection to 20º F."
<<You think way too hard and spend way to much time on stupid, stupid,
stupid sh.t!>>
Last year, this De-Icer froze up when the temperature dropped down to
10º F. I don't want this stupid sh.t to happen again.
> As usual, the owner's manual offers little help in selecting the
> proper antifreeze solution for the windshield washer solution:
<<Uhhhhh, DUH. Whatever they sell at the gas station, supermarket,
wherever.>>
Unfortunately, the stores around here either have gallon bottles of
windshield washer solutions that have no antifreeze protection or only
enough to protect down to 20º F. When the temperature drops below 20º F,
these "whatever" solutions freeze. I also find it annoying when the
windshield washer fluid freezes up as soon as it hits the windshield,
because there is too little antifreeze in the solution.
Maybe you don't mind having your windshield washer fluid freeze up, but
I do.
> Has anyone got a recipe for a non-freezing, windshield washer
> solution? That is, a solution that won't harm glass, plastic, rubber
> or metal?
<<At $0.96 a gallon pretty much anywhere you're still gunna take the
time make your own! Bwahahahahahaha!>>
There are alternatives to buying and storing 96¢ gallon bottles of
windshield washer solution which probably have little or no antifreeze
additive:
"Windshield Washer Solvent -- This formula is guaranteed not to freeze
down to 35 degrees below zero. Combine 1 quart isopropyl (rubbing)
alcohol, 1 cup water and 2 tablespoons liquid detergent."
http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:lad89y9m4GcJ:www.swancc.org/flyer/acm-web.p
df+windshield+%2B+washer+%2B+solution+%2B+formula&hl=en
<<I can't wait for the thread when the time finally comes for you to
change your oil and you have to decide which oil and filter to use!
That will be downright hilarious!>>
I made my oil change posts back in May of this year. I really wish you
had seen them. You might have died laughing.
<<Thanks for the laugh (at your expense) Doc>>
You're welcome. I'm glad that you are so easily amused.
On the other hand, the 4 people who made meaningful replies to my
original post didn't seem to find any humor in what I wrote.
If you think that my original post was hilarious, you are going to be in
stitches when you read this:
As I earlier noted, a Chevrolet representative told me that my
windshield washer reservoir held "about 1 gallon." Last night I siphoned
out all of the fluid and, after refilling the reservoir, I found that it
contains 170 ounces. So, Chevrolet's estimate of "about 1 gallon" is 33%
short of the actual capacity of 1.33 gallons.
http://www.valvoline.com/pages/products/product_detail.asp?productC
http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/search_results
_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr619127&prmenbrX06
http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/msds_data.d2w/
report?prrfnbr619127
Justin Mahn - 24 Dec 2004 01:02 GMT
>>I have a 2004 Silverado and tried to find out the capacity of the
>>windshield washer reservoir by looking in the capacities section of
[quoted text clipped - 103 lines]
> contains 170 ounces. So, Chevrolet's estimate of "about 1 gallon" is 33%
> short of the actual capacity of 1.33 gallons.
The statement "About a gallon" would be accurate from .6 to 1.4 gallons.
Everything from .6 to 1.4 gallons rounds to "about a gallon". Also, the
brimming capacity is not the same as the capacity at the fill line. I
would imagine the extra .33 gallon capacity is there to give you the
convenience of refilling the entire gallon jug without needing to run
the fluid unnecessarily low.
> http://www.valvoline.com/pages/products/product_detail.asp?product=43
>
> http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/search_results
_product_detail.d2w/report?prrfnbr=15619127&prmenbr=5806
>
> http://www.napaonline.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/NAPAonline/msds_data.d2w/
report?prrfnbr=15619127
You do seem excessive in your need to exactly measure the antifreeze
portion of your fluid. I would recomend premixing your fluid and
marking the containers with the temperature mix, instead of agonizing
over the proper mix in the reservior. For getting an accurate mix with
solution that is already in the reservior, you would need to know the
precise mix and quantity of the old solution. Unless you keep an
accurate log of mixtures and graduate or siphon the reservior to measure
the begining volume, you will never get the accuracy you are talking about.
BTW it's much easier to drian the fluid out of the disconnected tap hose
than it is to siphon the thing.
My humble opinion,
Justin
One-Shot Scot - 24 Dec 2004 16:24 GMT
One-Shot Scot wrote:
> As I earlier noted, a Chevrolet representative told me that my
> windshield washer reservoir held "about 1 gallon." Last night I
> siphoned out all of the fluid and, after refilling the reservoir, I
> found that it contains 170 ounces. So, Chevrolet's estimate of
> "about 1 gallon" is 33% short of the actual capacity of
> 1.33 gallons.
<<The statement "About a gallon" would be accurate from .6 to 1.4
gallons. Everything from .6 to 1.4 gallons rounds to "about a gallon".
Also, the brimming capacity is not the same as the capacity at the fill
line. I would imagine the extra .33 gallon capacity is there to give you
the convenience of refilling the entire gallon jug without needing to
run the fluid unnecessarily low.>>
<<You do seem excessive in your need to exactly measure the antifreeze
portion of your fluid. I would recommend premixing your fluid and
marking the containers with the temperature mix, instead of agonizing
over the proper mix in the reservoir. For getting an accurate mix with
solution that is already in the reservoir, you would need to know the
precise mix and quantity of the old solution. Unless you keep an
accurate log of mixtures and graduate or siphon the reservoir to measure
the beginning volume, you will never get the accuracy you are talking
about.>>
Chevrolet customer service is unable to provide the capacity of the
windshield washer reservoir and the amount (if any) of antifreeze that
it originally contained. There is also the un-measurable variable of
summer evaporation of any methanol that the original solution may have
contained. Because of these unknown factors, I have treated the existing
solution as though it were plain water and mixed in the antifreeze
additive accordingly.
The difference of the previously unknown 1/3 gallon would have skewed
the antifreeze mixture table on the Mac/Valvoline antifreeze additive
upward by 20%:
Freezing Point ºF Solvent Water VOC Limit
+28 1 12 8%
+23 1 9 10%
+12 1 4 20%
+5 1 3 25%
-12 1 2 35%
-45 1 1 50%
From now on, I will premix the solution so that there will be no
guessing as to its antifreeze concentration.
Speaking of excessive needs, Mercedes Benz cars have Windshield Washer
Level Sensors:
http://www.discountmbparts.com/MB_Reservoir~Level~Sensor_list.html
So, has my Windshield Washer Reservoir tread been a complete waste of
time? I don't think so, because it has provided the following
information:
1. Owners of 1999-2005 Silverado/Sierra trucks now know that their
windshield washer reservoirs hold 1.3 gallons.
2. The owner of a 2004 Silverado reported that his factory-installed
windshield washer fluid did not freeze or slush up when the temperature
dropped to 0-5º F.
3. I have supplied links to websites which describe NAPA and
Mac/Valvoline windshield washer antifreeze additives which can be
custom-mixed down to whatever temperature protection is required.
4. We have heard from other posters who have had success with the
commercial products Rain-X, Prestone De-Icer and Blue Water.
5. I supplied a link to a homemade alcohol/detergent windshield washer
antifreeze formula.
6. And least, but not last, we heard from another
extremely-knowledgeable poster who's non-freezing windshield fluid
recommendations include "summer bug juice", "Whatever they sell at the
gas station, supermarket, wherever" and any solution selling for "$0.96
a gallon." "Bwahahahahaha!"
Those who can benefit from this information (particularly item #6) will
be better off for having read the posts in this tread. Apparently, those
who think that I am a complete idiot still read my posts for comic
relief. Therefore, everyone wins.
<<BTW it's much easier to drain the fluid out of the disconnected tap
hose than it is to siphon the thing.>>
<<My humble opinion, Justin>>
True. But I had the plastic tubing in the tool shed.