Hi All,
I'm looking at the 6,2/6.5 diesel as a transplant option into a Toyota
T100 truck. Got a few questions if you pros can spare a minute:
1. What is the total weight of a 6.2/6.5 diesel ready to run (with
alternator, starter, injection pump, etc.? Do these engines have a vacuum
pump or do they have a vacuum pump built into the alternator or ?
2. I'm told the 6.2 has the same form factor as a chevy small block 350.
The idea is to use the available conversion components (bellhousing
from Advanced Adapters) and custom-build motor mount perches. Does the
6.2 have the same mount points as a small block 350? Does the 6.5 have
the same mount points as the small block 350?
3. Are the 6.2/6.5 engines available in a mechanical version - without EFI?
4. Anything I should be asking that I'm not asking?
Any info, pointers or advice really appreciated....
Ron
Jonathan Race - 12 May 2005 13:02 GMT
Ron,
Interesting conversion you are planning. Hope you have luck with it. There
was one guy here a few years back who wedged a 6.5L into a Land Rover. The
6.5's are very popular for marine use as well.
I will answer what I know about this motor, so I'll take it by the numbers.
I can no longer find the specs for the 6.5L turbo diesel on GM Powertrain's
web site to tell you the weight. I can tell you it is slightly heavier than
a 350 (actually about in the range of the 454) because it was all iron, but
somehow it was still light enough for it to be available in half-ton model
trucks without modifications to the front suspension to support the weight.
The 6.5L has a vacuum pump driven by the serpentine belt on the front
passenger's side of the motor.
2. The form factor for the 6.2 is very similar to the 350 and will fit all
transmissions that the 350 used. The 6.5L is also similar, although I can't
tell you about the mount points. However, you should be aware that the 6.5L
turbo version has the turbo hanging off the passenger's side of the motor
right over the valve cover, which may bring into question whether or not it
will fit comfortably into a smaller engine bay like the T100 without
severely modifying the right side wheel well (especially for the intake and
exhaust plumbing). The downtube for the turbo definitely needs some room -
and most likely some heat shielding as well. There is also a normally
aspirated version of the 6.5L without the turbo.
3. The 6.2L's had mechanical fuel injection pumps, as did the very early
6.5L's (1993). The pump was the DB2. On '94 and later 6.5L's they switched
to the all-electronic DS4 which has an electronic throttle as well (no
throttle cables). I believe that you can retrofit an older DB2 pump onto a
newer 6.5L but you lose some fuel efficiency because you no longer have a
computer monitoring then engine and making constant adjustments.
4. Obviously the T100 wasn't designed to have a heavy motor in it so weight
may be a significant issue with the front suspension (I believe the heaviest
motor was a small aluminum V-8? Not the same as an iron diesel V-8 by a
long shot). If this turns out to be a problem, you could look into an even
older 350 V-8 diesel from Olds - I know very little about these motors but
there are some folks here who say the final versions of these motors before
they were discontinued in favor of the 6.2L's were very good - this might be
worth looking into.
Cheers - Jonathan
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William R. Walsh - 13 May 2005 01:37 GMT
Hi!
> 1. What is the total weight of a 6.2/6.5 diesel ready to run (with
> alternator, starter, injection pump, etc.? Do these engines have a vacuum
> pump or do they have a vacuum pump built into the alternator or ?
I don't know the exact weight, but I can tell you this is a *very* heavy
engine when it is complete and together.
The vacuum pump on mine is (I think) part of the power steering pump.
There's another smaller one attached to the engine under the air cleaner at
the rear of the motor, but I think all it does is provide suction for the
thermostat controls.
I don't know the most about this as I have not investigated it. My answers
here could be incomplete or wrong. Both items do have something to do with
vacuum generation however.
> 3. Are the 6.2/6.5 engines available in a mechanical version - without EFI?
Yes.
> 4. Anything I should be asking that I'm not asking?
I would worry about the handling of your truck. If it is anything like my
6.2-equipped 1984 Sierra, expect your truck to be *very* front heavy and
back light. You may not be happy with such a conversion for this very
reason.
William
Whitelightning - 13 May 2005 01:53 GMT
Tocoma small truck, why not look at the Oldsmobile V-6 diesel engine used in
the mid size cars, and also used in the cutlass cierra
Whitelightning
Franko - 14 May 2005 06:22 GMT
Although I have both 6.2NA and 6.5TD vehicles, I would consider the Dodge
Cummins I-6 diesel for the conversion -- I don't know what other transfer
cases/trannies can bolt up to it because the Dodge TC/trannies aren't known
for their sturdiness. It's lighter, too.
> Tocoma small truck, why not look at the Oldsmobile V-6 diesel engine used in
> the mid size cars, and also used in the cutlass cierra
> Whitelightning
Bret Chase - 14 May 2005 13:22 GMT
>:|Although I have both 6.2NA and 6.5TD vehicles, I would consider the Dodge
>:|Cummins I-6 diesel for the conversion -- I don't know what other transfer
>:|cases/trannies can bolt up to it because the Dodge TC/trannies aren't known
>:|for their sturdiness. It's lighter, too.
a Cummins ISB weighs in at about 1150lbs.. it would CRUSH the front
end of the toyota. it is several hundred pounds heavier than the 6.2,
I don't know about the 6.5td. the New Venture standards behind the
cummins are just fine, it's the autos that suck.
-Bret
Jonathan Race - 14 May 2005 16:20 GMT
I agree. Not only is the Cummins a taller, heavier motor, but it must be
intercooled as well, requiring much more plumbing for the intake. Plus with
an inline 6-cylinder format (plus intercooler, plus heavier radiator, etc.),
I feel confident in saying that you won't be able to wedge it into the
engine bay of a T100 - into the bed perhaps, but not under the hood.
Cheers - Jonathan
> a Cummins ISB weighs in at about 1150lbs.. it would CRUSH the front
> end of the toyota. it is several hundred pounds heavier than the 6.2,
> I don't know about the 6.5td. the New Venture standards behind the
> cummins are just fine, it's the autos that suck.
>
> -Bret
Franko - 15 May 2005 18:33 GMT
Geez! I remember reading somewhere that an I-6 crate weighed in at 950 lbs!
Thanks for the correction folks.
> I agree. Not only is the Cummins a taller, heavier motor, but it must be
> intercooled as well, requiring much more plumbing for the intake. Plus with
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