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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / December 2005

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California enforcement of exhaust laws???

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George - 28 Nov 2005 02:30 GMT
Hi all,

I just replaced my entire exhaust system, turbo back on my 95 GMC (close
to Chevy content) 3/4 ton with a straight pipe system, 3 inch leaving
turbo, 3.5 inch at bottom of down tube, 4 inch from muffler area back.
No cat, no turbo. It runs like a scalded gazelle now. Deep low rumble,
not objectionable at all but definitely not stock. I love it but I just
realized that I am going to be spending 5 months on the left coast. The
sound and the presence of a 4 inch exhaust behind the passenger tire are
a dead give away to anyone with two or more gray cells and a little bit
of auto savy. One look under and that monster pipe and no cat or muffler
jump out at you. Does anyone have any sage advice on what to expect from
the CHP concerning a radically modified exhaust on a vehicle licensed
out of state (non Calif)?

Thanks for your input!
Shoe Salesman - 28 Nov 2005 02:57 GMT
A long as it isn't WAY loud, you'll be ok.

> Hi all,
>
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>
> Thanks for your input!
Dave - 28 Nov 2005 03:20 GMT
Is it A Hd. emissions  8600 GVWR truck
If your 3/4 ton K-20 is 6000 GVWR you will need A cat and all that HP
robbing stuff
I know that my 1981 k-20 didn't have cats with Hd. emissions 8600 Gvwr
all it has was the AIR injection system but it fell off just before the
heeder were installed!
If you don't need A cat just get A Flowmaster muffler
you can't beat the flowmaster for performance and sound
http://www.flowmastermufflers.com/

     California law requires that all vehicles must be equipped with an
adequate muffler to prevent excessive noise from the exhaust system. It also
prohibits the operation of a passenger vehicle (other than a motorcycle), or
a truck with a Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) of less than 6,000 pounds,
that has an exhaust noise level greater than 95 decibels, when tested under
specified conditions.
     If you have been issued a citation for operating a vehicle in
violation of Vehicle Code Section 27150 or 27151, you must take your vehicle
to a state Referee Center.

     Note: The Referee is only authorized to inspect and certify passenger
cars and trucks under 6,000 GVWR that have been cited for a violation of
Section 27150 or 27151 of the Vehicle Code. The maximum decibel level
applies only to those vehicles. Citations issued to other vehicles
(motorcycles, trucks exceeding 5999 pounds GVWR) are not part of this
program. Check with the agency that issued the citation, and/or the court,
to find out how to show proof of correction for these other vehicles.

     The following steps outline the procedures you'll need to follow to
get a certificate of compliance, which shows your vehicle's exhaust noise
level is within the applicable standards.

       STEP 1

         If you feel your vehicle's exhaust system has been modified or has
deteriorated so that the noise level exceeds current standards, you should
have the exhaust system repaired before proceeding to step 2.

         OR

         If you have reason to believe that your vehicle's exhaust noise
level meets the current standards, proceed directly to step 2.

         [Note that citations have a court appearance date.]
         [Timely action can help you avoid additional fines and penalties.]

       STEP 2

         Have your vehicle tested at a state Referee Center. To make an
appointment, call the Referee Scheduling Center at (800) 622-7733. Have the
citation and vehicle registration with you when you call. The Center will
tell you any fees that will need to be paid for the test.

       STEP 3

         The Referee will conduct an exhaust noise level test in accordance
with the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) standard J1169, May 1998, to
determine if your vehicle's exhaust noise level exceeds the noise standard
(95db).

         If your vehicle meets the standard, the Referee will give you a
"Certificate of Compliance." Take the certificate to the court (See Step 5).

         If your vehicle does not meet the standard, the Referee will give
you a report that lists the recorded decibel readings. Your vehicle must be
repaired to meet the standard of not more than 95 decibels (See Step 4).

       STEP 4

         If your vehicle does not meet the standard, additional repairs
must be made before you can make a second appointment with the Referee
Scheduling Center.

       STEP 5

         Once your vehicle receives a "Certificate of Compliance" from a
Referee Center, present the certificate to the court as proof that your
vehicle is in compliance with California law.

         NOTE: Inspection fees and any necessary repairs are your
responsibility. You may also be required to pay a fine and other legal costs
when reporting to the court. Also, note that most citations have a deadline.
Timely repairs can help you avoid additional fines and penalties.

     If you have any questions, please contact the local law enforcement
agency that issued the citation or the Bureau of Automotive Repair at (800)
952-5210.

     See link below

     http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/stdPAge.asp?Menu=/includes/Menu_GenInfo.htm&Body=/Ge
ninfo/Factsheets/Vehicle_Exhaust_Noise_Level_Certification-Sep_2003.htm


     Dave

     Las Vegas NV.

     September 2003

> Hi all,
>
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>
> Thanks for your input!
George - 28 Nov 2005 03:50 GMT
> Is it A Hd. emissions  8600 GVWR truck

Yes it is a 8600 GVWR truck. No EGR, an "F" engine.

> If your 3/4 ton K-20 is 6000 GVWR you will need A cat and all that HP
> robbing stuff

...snip....

>       California law requires that all vehicles

... does this apply to out of state vehicles, ie non resident, a visitor?

...snip.... (probably a lot of pertinent stuff though)...

I was thinking about welding a cat shell on (gotta find one that is over
 3.5 inches thick) so that it would at least appear to be present. I
could do the same for the muffler? From what you said, if I keep my foot
out of it (which I do anyway) and it really isn't noisy anyway, no
crackle, no roar, mostly a deep throbbing sound I may not upset anyone.
The truck will be parked most of the time I am there (schooling) and
when I drive it I will behave myself.

Boy, I do dislike bureaucracy. I don't want to upset anyone but I am not
readily going to give up the power and economy I have just worked so
hard to gain.

Fortunately it doesn't smoke, no blue for burning oil (which it doesn't
do) and no black for excessive rich diesel. A little white on start up
occasionally, that is all.

Thanks for the input! At the least I am now better informed. That is
what I needed, not necessarily what I wanted.
Mike Levy - 28 Nov 2005 04:11 GMT
>> Is it A Hd. emissions  8600 GVWR truck
>
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>Thanks for the input! At the least I am now better informed. That is
>what I needed, not necessarily what I wanted.

I don't see how a state can FORCE you to comply with their emissions
regulations when you are only visiting.  Same would go for the noise,
if you state allows your vehicle as it is, why should you change your
exhaust because the CHP doesn't like it while you're visiting the
state?
Kevin Weaver - 28 Nov 2005 06:32 GMT
How long you going to be in California ? If your here for,  (I think) It's
60 days then you will have to get it a smog check and California tags. The
smog station will check it, and you wont pass. Then its going to be time to
pay the piper to get it legal.

>>> Is it A Hd. emissions  8600 GVWR truck
>>
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> exhaust because the CHP doesn't like it while you're visiting the
> state?
Greg Surratt - 28 Nov 2005 09:07 GMT
>I don't see how a state can FORCE you to comply with their emissions
>regulations when you are only visiting.  Same would go for the noise,
>if you state allows your vehicle as it is, why should you change your
>exhaust because the CHP doesn't like it while you're visiting the
>state?

For the same reason they used to write tickets for Arizona vehicles
with window tint that met Arizona standards but exceeded California
standards??  Do they still do that?

Greg
WaterWatcher - 05 Dec 2005 06:14 GMT
>>> Is it A Hd. emissions  8600 GVWR truck
>>
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> exhaust because the CHP doesn't like it while you're visiting the
> state?

Hmmm, so you think you take your own laws with you when you travel to other
states?  I got news for you, bud....
badaztek - 20 Dec 2005 09:02 GMT
actually when you goto another state on short term for work or school or
due to family emergency the state goes by your legal residency which
means they can't force you to do anything that concerns their emissions
laws thats why lets say my legal residency in say nevada and I goto
california to work everyday and shop and do everything else ,the
cops(they don't have nothing to do with emissions)they can't make you
get any testing done in the state of Ca. because that vehicle legal
state of residency is in nevada ,but now comes to the flip side is they
can get a vehicle for being excessively loud because it ones fall under
the same laws as disturbing the peace and they can get you for safety
violations like bald tires leaking brakes ,leaking exhaust ,leaking gas
,you get the picture that is a safety hazard for not just you but for
anyone else to travel safely down the road ,now if the exhaust is a
factory approved system and is not modified by the owner then the cops
can't do too much there either because it falls outside of their
jurisdiction because it is legal in his state ,why because a loud
exhaust is not a safety concern
thats why motorcyclist have to wear a helmet in some states and not
others and why for years seatbelts were not enforced in some states but
could get fined in others there are some shades of grey in state laws
everywhere but it comes down to this if your not a legal resident of a
state then you are not under jurisdiction of the states DOT requirements
usually but law enforcement requirements you are, you just have to
research it and see what is required of out of state vehicles .
This is why someone from Jersey can take his hotrod to a show in PA
,without fenders and not get fined
TheSnoMan - 28 Nov 2005 14:39 GMT
> Is it A Hd. emissions  8600 GVWR truck
> If your 3/4 ton K-20 is 6000 GVWR you will need A cat and all that HP
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>>
>>Thanks for your input!

Contrary to popular belief CATS restrict very little power these days
and it is more a state on mind than a reality on what is gained without
them. I hope one day they tighten the laws more on cutting them off
because we all breath the same air.

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George - 28 Nov 2005 18:47 GMT
...snip...
> Contrary to popular belief CATS restrict very little power these days
> and it is more a state on mind than a reality on what is gained without
> them. I hope one day they tighten the laws more on cutting them off
> because we all breath the same air.

 If it were a gas engine I would be in total agreement with you, but
this is a diesel. The cat on a diesel is primarily a soot collector. I
would put my diesel up against any cat equipped similar engine and would
win (would have a cleaner exhaust/less solid particulate).
Shoe Salesman - 28 Nov 2005 19:52 GMT
he is spending 5 months in ca. don't drive like an idiot and you'll be fine.

> Is it A Hd. emissions  8600 GVWR truck
> If your 3/4 ton K-20 is 6000 GVWR you will need A cat and all that HP
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>>
>> Thanks for your input!
George - 11 Dec 2005 00:08 GMT
My thanks to all for the input. I will go and behave myself (at my age
there aren't many other options...ha ha!) and trust for the best. Thanks.
 
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