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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / April 2006

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TBI swapout, need more power

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crazygmcguy - 25 Apr 2006 17:23 GMT
I have a 1992 GMC Yukon 2 door 4X4, with 120K miles.  I bought the
truck in Ca, but live above 6K feet in Colorado.  The Engine just
isn't putting out the power it should and when I go above 8K I can
barely keep it at 65 on hills.  I've changed the fuel filter, MAP
sensor, 02 sensor, and it has a K&N air filter.  The 350 engine has 150
PSI compression evenly across all 8 cylinders.  The previous owner took
meticulous care of the vehicle, never missed an oil change at 3K or
service.  I just need to get more HP out of it.  The 350 is great
engine, doesn't even leak, run hot, or ping.
   I'm thinking of installing the Holly replacement TBI unit, and
maybe an intake manifold to match.  They rate it at 670 CFM.  I'll even
replace the CAM if i need.  Unfortunately a complete engine rebuild is
out of my price range for a couple years.
   Has anyone had experience with the holly TBI?  or any better ideas
to get some more HP out of this engine?

Thanks
Shades - 26 Apr 2006 14:44 GMT
The biggest restrictors on the TBI engine are TBI unit, intake manifold,
heads and cam...Nothing major...hehe...he...

   Get the Edelbrock performer Multi-Point EFI System(PN 3502). It uses
your stripped down TBI unit. You will need some fuel line mods and a new
fuel pump, but the gains are worth the work and cost. A CompCams Xtreme 4x4
cam/lifters(PN CL12-235-2) is a good choice for a cam(even with the factory
TBI). A set of World Products S/R Torquer heads(PN 042770-1) would bring
everything together(cam and MPFI). You will definatly need a custom PROM
before this point. A set of headers, high flow CAT, and 3inch single exhaust
with a high flow muffler would allow everything to reach its full potential.

Before the exhaust, the scales will tip past $2000, but its all something
that can be done in your driveway with the engine still under the hood. The
MPFI would be the first, cam and custom PROM second, then heads and exhaust
with a new custom PROM programming.

>I have a 1992 GMC Yukon 2 door 4X4, with 120K miles.  I bought the
> truck in Ca, but live above 6K feet in Colorado.  The Engine just
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> Thanks
brianorion - 26 Apr 2006 22:26 GMT
"The Engine just
isn't putting out the power it should "
My first thought is that if it isn't putting out the power that it
should then you need to diagnose the problem and fix it before
considering modifications.Compression is good,what about valve lift?
Valve timing? Have you checked the plug-wires? Cap+rotor? etc.-
zz - 27 Apr 2006 01:33 GMT
put a supercharger on it ...

>I have a 1992 GMC Yukon 2 door 4X4, with 120K miles.  I bought the
> truck in Ca, but live above 6K feet in Colorado.  The Engine just
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> Thanks
none2u - 27 Apr 2006 03:39 GMT
I wonder if there altitude settings that can be changed.
> put a supercharger on it ...
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>> Thanks
taz - 27 Apr 2006 06:21 GMT
try some basic tune up items first...platinum plugs high quality wires,
cap, rotor....try a throttle body spacer...open up your exhaust, hi
flow cats, larger diameter dual exhaust...if you don't want to make
alot of noise,Magnaflow makes some nice hi flow mufflers that are more
bite than bark...try bumping your base timing up a few degrees...i run
mine at 6 on an 89 chev 4x4...go to a local repair shop and see if they
have a motor vac machine[goto www.motorvac.com for more info] it's well
worth the money in fuel savings and performance.
crazygmcguy - 27 Apr 2006 16:18 GMT
Ok, now im getting curios.  I did a search on TBI to find this post I
started.  First i'll answer some questions:  Yes I upgraded the wires,
cap rotor and put in platinum plugs, that's when I checked the
compression.  I haven't heard a thing about the replacement Holley
TBI units, ads say they are the way to go, but I haven't heard of any
one actually using one.  When I run the engine with the air filter off
I can see some pretty thick streams coming from the injectors so I know
they need replacement.  I upped the timing to 5 degrees, yes with the
correct cable unplugged to shut off the electronic advance,  any more
and it starts to ping.  Now the questions: how do I tell what heads are
on it.  Originally this was a special order truck with major options
like a transmission oil cooler, larger radiator... the original owner
purchased it to tow a big, BIG, boat.  If it has 194 heads I'm fine
with sticking with the same heads.  But how can I tell what heads are
on it.  Also in another post I read about an Edelbrock kit that comes
with heads, cam, intake...   Hmm I just don't want to replace the
heads it I don't really need to.

Thanks
Shades - 27 Apr 2006 18:32 GMT
Original TBI heads don't flow good. Most people that I know that have tried
the Holley TBI on a stock engine haven't liked it due to the restrictive
nature of everything after it. I have known guys that have tried intake,
TBI, and head upgrades but kept the stock cam and had a loss of power and
MPG until they upgraded the cam. A cam only upgrade helps, but not as much
as it could.

> Ok, now im getting curios.  I did a search on TBI to find this post I
> started.  First i'll answer some questions:  Yes I upgraded the wires,
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> Thanks
Joe Cougar - 27 Apr 2006 21:23 GMT
You need to measure the valve lift and the valve timing for starters.
Don't even consider mods until you have done this. If you have a worn
timing chain with lots of slack and a severely retarded valve action,and
the valves aren't opening all the way due to rounded off lobes on the
cam you will have major power loss.The solution would be to install new
cam/lifter set and chain,NOT add some expensive intake system.
 If that's NOT the problem start checking other things,engine vacuum,
do a leak-down test,exhaust analysis, exhaust back-pressure etc
Jonathan - 28 Apr 2006 06:40 GMT
Greetings,

First let's go on the presumption that your engine is in good condition and
as near stock performance as good maintenance will keep it.  Maybe you
should be looking for the reason why you feel it isn't giving you the HP you
want before throwing money at the motor.  In '92 I believe the 350 with TBI
put out about 210hp at sea level, but as we all know you lose a certain
percentage of power as you gain altitude due to the thinner air so at 8000'
you're starting out at a loss.

At 65 with normal load (not towing or climbing a hill) you probably are
turning about 2200-2500 rpm in overdrive.  This is not the "sweet spot" for
power from that motor so maybe you should be thinking about dropping out of
OD and into Drive (or out of 5th and into 4th if you have a manual) and
letting the motor spin a little faster where it makes more power.  It'll
drink more gas but 2800-3000 rpm won't hurt the motor when cruising.

Are you running oversize tires?  If you are, then this may also be a reason
why your motor feels anemic as oversized rubber changes your final drive
ratio and makes the motor spin slower for the same speed.  In addition, what
is your rear axle ratio?  A higher numerical ratio (like 3.73 or 4.10:1)
will decrease your mpg on the highway but will give you a feeling of more
power because your motor will be spinning where it makes more power.  A
lower ratio (like 3.08 or 3.42:1) will get you better mpg on the highway
because your motor is turning slower but you sacrifice power and towing.
Perhaps what you are experiencing is nothing more than a gearing issue,
especially if this truck was meant more for the flatlands than the mountains
when it was put together.

The basic rule of generating more power is "Air In/Air Out".  Intake and
exhaust mods are always popular, but if you really want to cram the air into
the cylinders (especially at high altitudes) then you should be thinking
something like a turbocharger or some type of blower down the line along
with whatever else you want to do.

Cheers - Jonathan

>I have a 1992 GMC Yukon 2 door 4X4, with 120K miles.  I bought the
> truck in Ca, but live above 6K feet in Colorado.  The Engine just
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> Thanks
 
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