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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / July 2006

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drive by wire/steer by wire

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tippy@removespamatt.net - 14 Jan 2004 05:52 GMT
Saw an article on the subject systems.  I think it said that GM was
using the steer by wire system in the Chevy Malibu.  

There goes the hydraulic power steering pump and belts.  I guess some
of the high tech aircraft technology is making its way into auto and
truck production.  

FWIW
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Tippy
Martin Riddle - 14 Jan 2004 13:51 GMT
Look into what the Corvette has. I know the throttle control has been 'drive
by wire' for some time now.

Cheers

> Saw an article on the subject systems.  I think it said that GM was
> using the steer by wire system in the Chevy Malibu.
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> Tippy
shiden_kai - 15 Jan 2004 00:00 GMT
> Look into what the Corvette has. I know the throttle control has been 'drive
> by wire' for some time now.

From what I'm seeing, it looks like the
majority of 2004 model engines are
coming with "drive by wire" throttle
controls.

It's actually quite irritating when
you are working on the engines
and you  need to rev the engine
for whatever reason.  You cannot
do it from the engine compartment.
Some guys will say, "yeah, but you
can use the scan tool to control
the throttle".....but try to "blip"
the throttle with the scan too, it
doesn't work that well.

It would have been nice if GM
had still left a mechanical linkage
out at the throttle bodies.

Ian
Kevin - 15 Jan 2004 23:16 GMT
The throttle on the 8.1L in the 2500HDs is electronic. Talk about something
odd to get used to. Picture this, you are using cruise control at 65 MPH.
You decide to pass someone and gas it. There is NO change until you get the
pedal to the point of turning the electronic pot past the point of where it
thinks it already is. In other words, there is NO response for the first
second or two! Very weird sensation.

> Look into what the Corvette has. I know the throttle control has been 'drive
> by wire' for some time now.
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> > Tippy
Eugene - 16 Jan 2004 00:43 GMT
> The throttle on the 8.1L in the 2500HDs is electronic. Talk about
> something odd to get used to. Picture this, you are using cruise control
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>> > Tippy

sounds like they should put a small motor in the throttle pedal to keep in
in sync with the throttle body, kind of like those force feedback joysticks
the hard core gamers use.

My cousin has worked as a mechanic for years.  He told me that Mitsubishi
has a "sports car" where the steering is drive by wire.  He said they fail
often and fail hard right when they do fail.  Sounds kind of scary.  Maybe
because I work with servers all day long so all the buzzwords are in my
head like redundant power supplies, redundant fans, RAID controllers, etc I
wouldn't feel comfortable with steer by wire unless there was a redundant
system in there with two pots on the steering wheel with two sets of wires
going to the redundant engine computers through two separate holes in the
firewall and then two separate wires from the engine computers to two
motors on the steering box.    
Lonely G-Monkey - 16 Jan 2004 03:16 GMT
> The throttle on the 8.1L in the 2500HDs is electronic. Talk about something
> odd to get used to. Picture this, you are using cruise control at 65 MPH.
> You decide to pass someone and gas it. There is NO change until you get the
> pedal to the point of turning the electronic pot past the point of where it
> thinks it already is. In other words, there is NO response for the first
> second or two! Very weird sensation.

A potenciometer isn't considered electronic but electric, just so you know.

~TLGM
shiden_kai - 14 Jan 2004 23:57 GMT
> Saw an article on the subject systems.  I think it said that GM was
> using the steer by wire system in the Chevy Malibu.
>
> There goes the hydraulic power steering pump and belts.  I guess some
> of the high tech aircraft technology is making its way into auto and
> truck production.

It's not really "steer by wire"...it's just electrically
assisted.  Steer by wire means (to me anyway) that
the driver has no direct mechanical link to the wheels.
This isn't the case in the system in Malibu.

If you are interested, here is a picture of the
steering column out of a new Malibu.  It went
belly up and has to be replaced as a unit.

http://members.shaw.ca/ianrmac/Images/DSC01855.JPG

And for those folks that think American cars are made
in the States, notice the label on this Delphi electric
motor.

http://members.shaw.ca/ianrmac/Images/DSC01858.JPG

Other parts of the column are made in Mexico (as are
millions of other items that happen to be in GM vehicles)

Ian
JR - 15 Jan 2004 08:41 GMT
Damn that looks expensive.

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> > Saw an article on the subject systems.  I think it said that GM was
> > using the steer by wire system in the Chevy Malibu.
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> Ian
Willy Wanka - 15 Jan 2004 13:12 GMT
Hot damn, you got a good one.  Be thankful it doesn't say "Made in China"
yet...

> > Saw an article on the subject systems.  I think it said that GM was
> > using the steer by wire system in the Chevy Malibu.
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> Ian
Adair Winter - 15 Jan 2004 23:00 GMT
Hey Ian, is there anything you don't have a picture of?

Adair

> > Saw an article on the subject systems.  I think it said that GM was
> > using the steer by wire system in the Chevy Malibu.
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> Ian
shiden_kai - 15 Jan 2004 23:48 GMT
> Hey Ian, is there anything you don't have a picture of?

Oh...I think there are plenty of things that I
still need to add to my collection.  It's not
difficult to describe things using words, but
it certainly is easier when you have pictures.

I take my camera to work and keep it handy
in case something cool or odd happens to
come in the shop.

Ian
Adair Winter - 16 Jan 2004 06:19 GMT
"shiden_kai" <violet-lightening-modified@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> Oh...I think there are plenty of things that I
> still need to add to my collection.  It's not
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>
> Ian

I might just grab my camera and run by my friends shop and snap a picture or
two of an electric cooling fan that got so hot it melted the fan blades and
the motor mounts that it all just slid to the bottom of the housing..

Adair
kericbeck - 25 Jul 2006 05:35 GMT
I'm puttint a 04' 5.3L engine into my 99 and I'm trying to figure out how to
make this drive by wire work.  This is the only place that Ive been able to
find any kind of info on it.  If any of you know any mechanics, can you
please ask them what I need to get, whether it be the pedal and sensor units
from the newer model trucks or if there is an easier way to make this thing
work.  Please help.  Thanks guys.

Keith

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>Adair
 
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