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scrape - 13 Mar 2005 15:28 GMT
I'm looking for a shop in NC that can do aftermarket exhaust work on
an '03 Silverado with a 4.8 V8.  I'd like to find someone who knows
what works best with this engine - not just someone who wants to slap
on 3" pipe and some Flowmasters.

Alternatively, if anyone here can make recommendations as to what
might work best, suggestions would be more than welcome.

Stock, this truck has two cats going into a y-pipe into a single
muffler.  I'd like to go dual all the way back, but don't want to end
up with something that's going to be constantly triggering the Check
Engine light.

Thanks for any info.
George - 13 Mar 2005 18:10 GMT
> I'm looking for a shop in NC that can do aftermarket exhaust work on
> an '03 Silverado with a 4.8 V8.  I'd like to find someone who knows
> what works best with this engine - not just someone who wants to slap
> on 3" pipe and some Flowmasters.
<Snip>

General Motors had a pretty good idea of what works best for this engine for
nominal cost.  You must be thinking your going to get a bunch of miles per
gallon out of some form of tuned exhaust.  I'm one of those guys that
"slapped on some flowmasters."  My check engine light never comes on.  I'm
satisfied with the sound and the look of dual exhaust.  My truck is a 99 4x4
with the 5.3 engine.  It constantly gets 16 - 17 mpg.  It might change by
fractions depending on highway or in town driving.  If you're looking for
some major improvement in performance or mileage, you won't be satisfied.
Performance seems to be better but probably only because of the sound.
Mileage changes by a fraction.  I was only concerned about hearing the sound
in the cab so I'm happy with mine.  I hear it at low speeds but I don't have
that rumble on the highway.
scrape - 14 Mar 2005 00:43 GMT
>> I'm looking for a shop in NC that can do aftermarket exhaust work on
>> an '03 Silverado with a 4.8 V8.  I'd like to find someone who knows
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>in the cab so I'm happy with mine.  I hear it at low speeds but I don't have
>that rumble on the highway.

I;m not expecting huge HP/torque gains nor big mileage improvements.
Nominally better, or at least not worse, would be great with something
that looked and sounded better.

Thanks.

Which Flowmasters did you go with?  Dual?  If so, before or after the
Y connector?
George - 14 Mar 2005 09:08 GMT
> >> I'm looking for a shop in NC that can do aftermarket exhaust work on
> >> an '03 Silverado with a 4.8 V8.  I'd like to find someone who knows
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Which Flowmasters did you go with?  Dual?  If so, before or after the
> Y connector?

I bought my flowmaster Model 40 on ebay for 39 bucks.  3 inch inlet dual 2?
inch out.  Mine has dual cats with a short single pipe to the muffler.  The
installer cut right behind the factory hangar.  I paid the guy $210 to
install my muffler, dual pipes out the rear and I had a set of flamethrower
tips (with leds).  The tips are ok but they suck cause the leds didn't hold
up.  They only lasted a few months.  I was surprised at how quiet the truck
is.  I thought the model 40 would rumble pretty loud.  My son drove it and
as he pulled away, it sounded good from the rear.  You don't hear it like
that from inside the truck.
scrape - 14 Mar 2005 13:16 GMT
>> I;m not expecting huge HP/torque gains nor big mileage improvements.
>> Nominally better, or at least not worse, would be great with something
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>as he pulled away, it sounded good from the rear.  You don't hear it like
>that from inside the truck.

Thanks.  I would have thought the 40s would have been pretty loud
inside the cab.  I've got the same configuration - dual cats into a Y
pipe into a single muffler.  I was wondering about going straight back
from the cats, but it's been mentioned that that can cause problems
with the O2 sensors/loss of backpressure, etc.
Mad Dog - 14 Mar 2005 13:51 GMT
4- stroke engines DO NOT require back-pressure to operate correctly.
All things being equal changing Cats, Mufflers or Pipes WILL NOT
affect the operation of the O2 sensor/s

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> >> I;m not expecting huge HP/torque gains nor big mileage improvements.
> >> Nominally better, or at least not worse, would be great with something
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> >
> >I bought my flowmaster Model 40 on ebay for 39 bucks.  3 inch inlet dual
2?
> >inch out.  Mine has dual cats with a short single pipe to the muffler.  The
> >installer cut right behind the factory hangar.  I paid the guy $210 to
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> from the cats, but it's been mentioned that that can cause problems
> with the O2 sensors/loss of backpressure, etc.
Shades - 13 Mar 2005 19:38 GMT
   If you did nothing more than install a hi performance muffler in place
of the factory one, you will improve almost everything across the board.

> I'm looking for a shop in NC that can do aftermarket exhaust work on
> an '03 Silverado with a 4.8 V8.  I'd like to find someone who knows
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Thanks for any info.
scrape - 14 Mar 2005 12:50 GMT
>    If you did nothing more than install a hi performance muffler in place
>of the factory one, you will improve almost everything across the board.

Thanks.  Is there much difference between brands other than the
material they're made of?
Shades - 14 Mar 2005 15:27 GMT
   Yes and no...most aftermarket mufflers will reduce backpressure and
increase noise. Some reduce less backpressure and REALLY increase noise, and
versa-visa. Flowmaster is a tried and true design but others can do very
well on a stock engine. My suggestion is stay away from glass packs and any
'turbo' muffler with any kind of stuffing, they don't last and can get VERY
loud! I prefer the unique sound of single exhaust which is what I had custom
bent for my Suburban(people want my exhaust 'cus they LUV the sound), but
that's the joy of being American, freedom of choice(for the most part). I
know many people that have removed the muffler and had a Y-pipe put in its
place. Its up to you!

>>    If you did nothing more than install a hi performance muffler in place
>>of the factory one, you will improve almost everything across the board.
>
> Thanks.  Is there much difference between brands other than the
> material they're made of?
Tailgator - 15 Mar 2005 04:32 GMT
Go MAGNAFLOW. I did on my 2500HD 8.1L. Sounds great and and turns some
heads when you fire it up! Cost installed was just shy of 5 Uncle Bens.
The stainless steel will last alot longer than the galvanized steel of
the Flow Masters.

I've also put a Hypertech Power Programmer III on and got some gains,
but I've been told by others that there are better programmers out
there.

I've been looking into the Whipple Superchargers and Magna Chargers but
they cost alot.
Rocketman - 15 Mar 2005 20:45 GMT
> Go MAGNAFLOW. I did on my 2500HD 8.1L. Sounds great and and turns some
> heads when you fire it up! Cost installed was just shy of 5 Uncle Bens.
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> I've been looking into the Whipple Superchargers and Magna Chargers but
> they cost alot.

I just bought a new 04 Chevy 2500 HD w/ the 8.1L V8. I traded campers
last year and my new one is much heavier than my last one. I was having
great difficulty towing it w/ my 01 chevy 5.3L V8. I had a Flowmaster,
K & N air intake and Hypertech chip programmer for my 01 Chevy.

I bought a K & N air intake for my new 8.1 but Flow Master doesn't
offer a complete cat back system for the 8.1L yet. How loud is your
Magnaflow? I don't want Nascar kind of loud or even close to it. I
don't mind a throaty V8 sound but it has to be reasonable. How loud is
your exhaust on a scale of 1 - 10 (1 = stock and 10 = Nascar)?

Also, was this a complete cat back system that you could put on
yourself or did you have to have the pipes made to fit the truck and
muffler at a local shop? Where did you get your Magnaflow?

Thanks,
Tailgator - 18 Mar 2005 15:16 GMT
The magnaflow sounds great. Nice sound, not too loud. On the highway
the Superswampers I put on make more noise than the exhaust itself.
I've been slammed by several in the group for putting in a K&N which
some have claimed can damage the engine. On a scale of 1 -10, with one
being the stock exhaust and 10 being Nascar I would say it's a 7 when
you "stand on it" and a 3 when "crusing".

Yes it is a catback system. The kit basically bolted straight on, it
took more time to cut off the stock muffler. Caribe Muffler in Miami
did the install in less than and hour and with parts, labor, and tax
ran just shy of $500. Excellent Service. The Polished Stainless Steel
Muffler and Tip look great. Magnaflow does not make a dual for the 8.1L
(Why? I don't know.)

I probably could have installed the system myself, but then again I
believe in letting the pros do what the pros do best. That's why I had
someone else install my Fabtech Lift.
Rocketman - 18 Mar 2005 16:45 GMT
Hey Tailgator,
Thanks for the info. The "7" when you stand on it might be a little
louder than I'm looking for. Your truck sounds nice. I also put an K&N
air intake on my 01 and now am doing the same on my 04. Why do people
think that K& N air intakes will hurt your engine? I have never had any
problems. The filters are pretty good.

Anyway thanks for the info.

> The magnaflow sounds great. Nice sound, not too loud. On the highway
> the Superswampers I put on make more noise than the exhaust itself.
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> believe in letting the pros do what the pros do best. That's why I had
> someone else install my Fabtech Lift.
KB - 18 Mar 2005 22:27 GMT
Rocketman,
The oil used in the K&N filter WILL eventually coat your MAF (Mass Air Flow)
sensor and cause it to fail.  There is sufficent data that refutes K&N's
claim that they "flow more air".  The best filter for your truck is an AC
paper filter.

Cheers,

> Hey Tailgator,
> Thanks for the info. The "7" when you stand on it might be a little
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> had
>> someone else install my Fabtech Lift.
arkcal - 18 Mar 2005 23:11 GMT
Do you have any evidence that oil from a K&N filter will coat the MAS?
See http://www.knfilters.com/massair.htm

> Rocketman,
> The oil used in the K&N filter WILL eventually coat your MAF (Mass Air Flow)
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> > had
> >> someone else install my Fabtech Lift.
genius@socal.rr.com - 18 Mar 2005 23:44 GMT
There is a TSB my local service writer showed me when he saw my K&N
intake that clearly stated if an oiled air filter was used, many
warranties were were null and void.  I tossed mine really quick after
that and I just hope they didn't record that I had one in their system.
Might be total BS and a way out for the dealer, but even so I'd hate
to void a warranty on a new truck regardless.

Derek
KB - 19 Mar 2005 18:16 GMT
> Do you have any evidence that oil from a K&N filter will coat the MAS?
> See http://www.knfilters.com/massair.htm

Just do a Google seach for "K&N MAF".  I've heard that GM has a TSB out for
this.  Maybe Ian or someone can confirm this.  As far as the performance of
paper vs. K&N, check out
http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm

Cheers,
Kyle
Rocketman - 21 Mar 2005 15:52 GMT
KB,
Thanks for the info. I had never heard of this. How big a deal is the
MAF? How would I know if one failed? If one fails does it damage
anything serious or does it just decrease performance or MPG? How much
to replace or fix the MAF?

Thanks,

> Rocketman,
> The oil used in the K&N filter WILL eventually coat your MAF (Mass Air Flow)
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> > had
> >> someone else install my Fabtech Lift.
Bret Chase - 22 Mar 2005 23:22 GMT
>:|KB,
>:|Thanks for the info. I had never heard of this. How big a deal is the
>:|MAF?

it determines how much air is entering the engine... i.e. extremely
important.

>:| How would I know if one failed?

your vehicle will either completely stop running or run like absolute
crap.

If one fails does it damage
>:|anything serious or does it just decrease performance or MPG?

no it won't break parts, but the engine will barely run, if it does at
all.

How much
>:|to replace or fix the MAF?

a new MAF for my '88 Toyota MR2 is still about 800 bucks for a new
one.

-Bret
Bill - 21 Mar 2005 21:08 GMT
If I was to change the air intake and the air meter on my 04` 2500 HD
6.0,what would be good besides the K&N?
Also if I went with dual exhaust with factory size pipe and Flow Masters
how loud would it be?What size is factory exhaust on my `04? Will it be
louder than my `97 5.7?
Thanks,
Bill
Michael McNeil - 22 Mar 2005 11:16 GMT
>If I was to change the air intake and the air meter on my 04` 2500 HD
>6.0,what would be good besides the K&N?
>Also if I went with dual exhaust with factory size pipe and Flow Masters
>how loud would it be?What size is factory exhaust on my `04? Will it be
>louder than my `97 5.7?

Mine's a '93 silverado with a 5.7

I got duals from magnaflow performance on mine, 2.5" if I remember
correctly  It's not loud when you arre standing near it, but I can
definitely hear the low deep rumble when I am sitting in my house when
the truck is running.  I tromp on the throttle and it's the most
beautiful deep exhaust sound I ever heard!

Soon as I scrape a bit of extra money together, a local muffler shop
is throwing on dual Nascar boom tubes to deepen the sound even further

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Rocketman - 22 Mar 2005 17:15 GMT
Bill,
What are your objectives in changing the air intake? Look at the post
above by KB 3/19 9:16am (Kyle). He provides a link which discusses the
air intakes. There is test reports listed and details about how good or
bad each brand does. In a nut shell the K & N (and other high
performance intakes) isn't very good at "filtering the air" but allows
a LOT of air to flow in. The stock paper air filter from Chevy does a
great job at filtering the air but is more restrictive in allowing air
to flow. The report also points out that the K&N filter gets clogged
faster than others so it requires cleaning more often. If you're
looking for power/performance and don't mind the dirt in the engine go
K&N or some other high performance filter. If you want no dirt and
don't mind current performance stay with your Delco filter.

As for the exhaust, loud is relative. Flow Master and other
manufactures offer several different levels of loud. Flow Master offers
a nice cat back system for that truck which will give it some sound but
not a lot and will still improve performance. I think it is the
American Thunder muffler. They also offer other mufflers which will
provide even more sound if that is your goal.

All stock Chevy exhausts are pretty quiet if you ask me. So if your 97
5.7 was stock then any after market performance exhaust will be louder.

I had an 01  5.3L with a Flow master exhaust and it sounded a little
deeper than the stock Dodge Hemi exhaust but not much different. They
can make it louder if that is what you want.

> If I was to change the air intake and the air meter on my 04` 2500 HD
> 6.0,what would be good besides the K&N?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> Bill
JBDragon - 18 Mar 2005 05:14 GMT
Adding a Supercharger will give you a whole lot more Horsepower.  They are
nice.   Driven a few Before and After Supercharger jobs and it's like night
and day.   The down side, you HAVE to use Premium fuel, and well with what
gas prices are these days....   Plus more wear and tear on the engine,
transmission, and rear end.  Not normally to bad, because they don't
normally boost the engine to much for kits you add on to Stock Engines.
Plus it's so much fun smoking the tires until you have to replace them.  But
if you have around 5 grand to spend on a supercharger system, then some of
the Negatives aren't really a issue for you.

> Go MAGNAFLOW. I did on my 2500HD 8.1L. Sounds great and and turns some
> heads when you fire it up! Cost installed was just shy of 5 Uncle Bens.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I've been looking into the Whipple Superchargers and Magna Chargers but
> they cost alot.
Michael McNeil - 14 Mar 2005 06:59 GMT
magnaflow performance dual front to back 2 1/2 inch pipe no cat

got it on my 93 silverado with a 5.7 V8 and sounds awesome
in the near future getting a couple nascar rated boom tubes to
completely finish it off.  will give it a deeper rumble but not louder

>I'm looking for a shop in NC that can do aftermarket exhaust work on
>an '03 Silverado with a 4.8 V8.  I'd like to find someone who knows
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Thanks for any info.

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Chad Hamann - 25 Mar 2005 06:57 GMT
I have an idea, but an old truck, pre 1980's and register it in south
dakota!
chad
(old truck owner) and its paid for!
> magnaflow performance dual front to back 2 1/2 inch pipe no cat
>
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JBDragon - 15 Mar 2005 04:42 GMT
I like flowmasters, and install a lot of them!   You can't screw with any of
the exhaust from the Cats forward.  So no true duals all the way back!   You
can get a Single in and Dual out Flowmaster, like a 3" Inlet and 2 1/4" or 2
1/2" outlet works good.   Then it's sound you want.  40 Series is the
Original and is pretty loud but sounds great.  I personally have a 50 series
flowmaster on my truck.   I little more quite outside, and quite a bit more
quite inside the Cab.    Your not going to have any problems with the check
engine light as long as you don't screw with anything from the Cat forward.
If you have money to burn, you can go all Stainless.  Not something I
normally do, but did on my truck, Stainless Flowmaster, Stainless Rear
pipes, bent myself, and Stainless tips out the back.   System should last
for as long as I have the truck.   Which is a 03 Silverado with a 5.3.

> I'm looking for a shop in NC that can do aftermarket exhaust work on
> an '03 Silverado with a 4.8 V8.  I'd like to find someone who knows
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Thanks for any info.
scrape - 15 Mar 2005 13:14 GMT
>I like flowmasters, and install a lot of them!   You can't screw with any of
>the exhaust from the Cats forward.  So no true duals all the way back!   You
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>pipes, bent myself, and Stainless tips out the back.   System should last
>for as long as I have the truck.   Which is a 03 Silverado with a 5.3.

Interesting.  I was thinking about headers at a later date, but have
seen several that list themselves as no EGR.  I haven't looked at mine
specifically for EGR, but I'd have to imagine that it's present.
Maybe this is what I was reading about that screwed with the check
engine light.

The local guy that several folks have recommended only does
galvanized.  I'm sure there is someone else I can use, but how much
faster is the galvanized going to wear out than the stainless?
Mad Dog - 15 Mar 2005 17:56 GMT
E.G.R. functions are handled by the intake manifold and E.G.R. valve....
your'e thinking of A.I.R. (air injection reactor) which pumps air into the
exhaust manifold as a means of reducing emissions.
You can do anything you want to a vehicle that must pass emissions testing
as long as it passes the test when you are done.Slap on a set of full-length
hedders (shorty's are not worth the effort), aftermarket high flow cats are
available in any style and O2 sensor bungs can be welded back into the
aftermarket pipe to retain factory sensors.
True duals will serve you well and open the door for future engine mods
if you so desire.

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> >I like flowmasters, and install a lot of them!   You can't screw with any of
> >the exhaust from the Cats forward.  So no true duals all the way back!   You
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> galvanized.  I'm sure there is someone else I can use, but how much
> faster is the galvanized going to wear out than the stainless?
William G. - 16 Mar 2005 05:36 GMT
What do you guys think of the X-pipe design, such as the Hedman X-TREME
X-Pipe? Or the Hooker or the Flow-Tech?  Do they improve performance somehow
over the H-pipe setup?  What do they sound like?
Shades - 16 Mar 2005 15:09 GMT
   An X pipe and H pipe use the same theory, to equalize pressure between
the two pipes and to enhance low end torque and efficiency...like single
exhaust. The X pipe does a MUCH smoother and MUCH better job!

   I had true 2 1/2" glass pack dual exhaust that was obtrusively loud and
had an H pipe installed that made a major difference in sound(loud not
obtrusive), power(a little sat-of-the-pants better), and
efficiency(minimally better). I went to a custom set of canister(turbo)
mufflers that made it quieter, but nothing else. I later went to a dual 2
1/2 into one 3" with one of the custom mufflers and was IMIDIATLY impressed
with the awesome sound(mild and deep at idle and deep and throaty under
power), power(awesome throttle response and no more kicking out of OD going
up hills), and efficiency(2 mpg higher before tuning and 3-4avg after
tuning). Before tuning, the single exhaust won decisively in all areas over
the best tuning of the duals.

   I don't know if an off-the-shelf muffler design would do worse or better
than my custom designed, but I do know that I am sold on single exhaust over
duals for the right application. I and many hot-footers I know luv the sound
of my exhaust over any dual that they have heard.

btw...My engine isn't stock, its mild with  aftermarket intake, headers, and
ignition and valvetrain mods. I am at the lower end of what my exhaust can
handle and am looking into more power(of course!).

> What do you guys think of the X-pipe design, such as the Hedman X-TREME
> X-Pipe? Or the Hooker or the Flow-Tech?  Do they improve performance
> somehow over the H-pipe setup?  What do they sound like?
Mad Dog - 16 Mar 2005 20:14 GMT
I can see how a x-pipe could work slightly better than the h-pipe design,
My h-pipe also mellowed out the tone
and boosted bottom end torque.
What gets my heart jumping is that distinctive RING the pipes make when the
power comes on line....WHOA

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>    An X pipe and H pipe use the same theory, to equalize pressure between
> the two pipes and to enhance low end torque and efficiency...like single
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>> X-Pipe? Or the Hooker or the Flow-Tech?  Do they improve performance
>> somehow over the H-pipe setup?  What do they sound like?
Shades - 16 Mar 2005 23:01 GMT
   'RING' as in...? Cackle or resonation...? Can you explain it  a bit
clearer? Is it a 'ring' you like or dislike?

>I can see how a x-pipe could work slightly better than the h-pipe design,
> My h-pipe also mellowed out the tone
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>>> X-Pipe? Or the Hooker or the Flow-Tech?  Do they improve performance
>>> somehow over the H-pipe setup?  What do they sound like?
Mad Dog - 19 Mar 2005 20:12 GMT
I would have to say it's a resonant ring
that i really like....

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>    'RING' as in...? Cackle or resonation...? Can you explain it  a bit
> clearer? Is it a 'ring' you like or dislike?
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>>>> X-Pipe? Or the Hooker or the Flow-Tech?  Do they improve performance
>>>> somehow over the H-pipe setup?  What do they sound like?
Rocketman - 17 Mar 2005 15:00 GMT
Hey Shades,
Great info, THANKS! Can you help answer a few extra questions?

What is an X vs an H pipe? I assume that some place in the exhaust path
the two pipes connect either in an X or H shape? Does this happen
before or after the catalitic converter? Why is this better than
running two completely independent pipes? I thought that 2 pipes were
better than one? I can see how connecting them would equalize the
pressure in each side but so what? Why is that important?

Also, you said that mpg improved after "tuning", what tuning? What did
you tune to get this gain?

I'm trying to understand why when you went from a dual 2.5" exhaust to
a dual to single 3" exhaust you gained performance? With my limited
knowledge that doesn't make since. Isn't that going to increase the
back pressure? Won't the engine lose power trying to pump the exhaust
out?

I'm in the process of putting an after market exhaust on my '04 8.1L
Chevy and would prefer to do this just once. I want the sound you
describe (nice throaty sound without being obtrusive) and the power
gains. I was going down the daul exhaust road but am wondering if I
should change directions and follow this path?

Any comments would be appreciated.

> An X pipe and H pipe use the same theory, to equalize pressure between
> the two pipes and to enhance low end torque and efficiency...like single
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> power), power(awesome throttle response and no more kicking out of OD going
> up hills), and efficiency(2 mpg higher before tuning and 3-4avg after

> tuning). Before tuning, the single exhaust won decisively in all areas over
> the best tuning of the duals.
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> > X-Pipe? Or the Hooker or the Flow-Tech?  Do they improve performance
> > somehow over the H-pipe setup?  What do they sound like?
Shades - 17 Mar 2005 18:28 GMT
   There are sound 'waves' traveling up and down the exhaust system. When
they travel up they cause power loss. The popping cackle heard on a true
dual system is attention getting and power robbing. Running 2 pipes into one
produces a scavenging effect that actually helps draw in the air/fuel
mixture to produce more power and at the same time it causes the sound waves
to slam into each other and cancel each other out thereby helping to reduce
the cackle and increase power. The same works for an H or X pipe, just not
as defined. The failing of the single exhaust is at top
end.

    A tidbit about the three ranges of an engine, low end, mid range, and
top end...Low end is idle to 2-3000rpm, mid range is from 2-3 to 5-6000, and
top end is above that. How often are you driving your vehicle in the top
end? These RPM ranges are very general and average! I wanted to put that in
BEFORE anyone started going off about a particular engines RPM ranges.

   Back to a single exhaust example...a diesel engine. Low end is its
battlefield and it is KING! No matter how many big rigs you see on the road
with dual
stacks, they come from one pipe. There are more points to diesels that add
to its torque, but even diesel light trucks have aftermarket exhausts that
are a single design.

   Look at the venerable tri-Y headers! 4 into 2 into 1...doesn't it make
sense to go 8 into 4 into 2 into 1? They are a tried and true design that
optimizes scavenging, flow, and power.

   I am not saying that a properly matched dual exhaust wont make tons of
power, but the best have an X pipe. If you are making Pro Stock horsepower,
then all your concerned with is getting the exhaust out. Everything has to
be matched and from experience and investigation, it takes allot to make an
engine to where it needs duals. Running 2 pipes into one muffler and 2 pipes
out, the same as an H or X pipe.

   Do some talking with exhaust system manufacturers. You will still get
some that say duals all the way, primarily because that's all they sell, but
major ones will have single and dual setups and will have documentation of
which does what and how good.

   $3-500 isn't chump change but it is worth it to have your computer
optimized truck self adjust to a test between a custom bent single exhaust
and a custom bent dual exhaust. DO YOUR HOMEWORK! You have allot of engine
and a 3inch single probably wouldn't be enough. You might need 3 1/2-4 inch.
Flowmaster is an awesome source for recommendations about exhaust. Call
their tech line. Measure twice cut once...call many times and pay once.

   I was in a position to install 2 1/2inch duals and tune the carb and
timing and such to what works best, then a single installed and tune the
same for it.

   I say it again, do your homework, get input from the pros, and go from
there. My single is FAR better than my duals were, and I studied before I
made the leap.

Jest my 2 cents...well by the looks of it more like a buck and change...man
this got long!

> Hey Shades,
> Great info, THANKS! Can you help answer a few extra questions?
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> performance
>> > somehow over the H-pipe setup?  What do they sound like?
Rocketman - 15 Mar 2005 19:19 GMT
> I'm looking for a shop in NC that can do aftermarket exhaust work on
> an '03 Silverado with a 4.8 V8.  I'd like to find someone who knows
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>
> Thanks for any info.

I had an 01 Chevy 1500 Silverado with the 5.3l V8. Despite what Chevy
claims that engine was really weak (at least mine was). I towed the
exact same camper with my 01 5.3 as I did with my 96 with a 350V8. Both
trucks had 3:73 gears. The 96 350 would pull circles around the 01 I
had.

Anyway, to get power and performance I did a Flowmaster American
Thunder stainless cat back dual rear exit system (along with  K&N air
intake and Hypertech programmer). There was a dramatic power
improvement but not much difference in gas milage. The truck pulled a
lot better, no question about it. I like a throaty V8 sound but don't
want to go deaf driving it. This exhaust was very good. It had a nice
throaty V8 sound (similar to some of Dodge's Hemi exhausts) without
being crazy load. I wouldn't have minded it being a little loader
actually but left it alone. The Flowmaster was very easy to install and
took no time. I was very happy with the quality, fit, etc... I would
get another one again.

I just bought an 04 Silverado w. 8.1l V8. I solved my power problem.
Charles H. - 16 Mar 2005 01:00 GMT
scrape
let me know what you find and where, as i am thinking of duels on my
04gmc
thanks
Jim Anderson - 16 Mar 2005 14:53 GMT
I've been reading the posts about exhaust recommendations that started on
3/13. They've been very informative.
I have a '05 GMC Quadradsteer.
For an out the back dual system, I haven't seen anything listed for my
truck. It looks like I might have to go custom.
Has anyone found an over the counter or catalog system?
From the posts, it looks like Flowmaster or Magnaflow is the way to go .

Jim
ZombyWoof - 17 Mar 2005 02:05 GMT
>I've been reading the posts about exhaust recommendations that started on
>3/13. They've been very informative.
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>
>Jim

Try http://www.styleinconcepts.com/
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