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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / November 2005Any real difference between 'GMC' and 'CHEV' name cargo vans ??
Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? Thanks. > Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? > Thanks. Not really. Just the grilles and emblems. Interior trim levels may be different depending on what options are ordered but other than that they are the same. The model split was in 96. Parts from 79-95 are mostly the same except for the headlights and trim. From 96 and up they are different. 79-95 were all unibody and the 96 and up are back to body on frame. Whoa Nelly! I owned both a 1988 and a 1995 Chevy C1500 pick up in their due time and I can assure you with complete confidence that neither of these vehicles were a unibody design. Both were body-on-frame completely. The body style and construction varied little from 1988 through 1998 with the exception of changes in the front grille and headlights throughout the years, improvements and changes in the motors, and a major interior revamp in 1995. In fact, both the Chevy and GMC sister trucks were body-on-frame all the way back to 1979 and before. To the best of my knowledge GM never built a light-duty truck that was completely unibody with the exception of some of the later minivans, but I'm a snob enough not to consider those as "real" trucks! Even the single-body designs like the Avalance, Suburban, Tahoe, etc. all have full frames. Cheers - Jonathan >> Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? >> Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are different. 79-95 were all unibody and the 96 and up are back to > body on frame. >Whoa Nelly! > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Cheers - Jonathan He was talking about the vans, not the pickups. >>> Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? >>> Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> are different. 79-95 were all unibody and the 96 and up are back to >> body on frame. Greetings, Pick-ups and vans in that era shared common chassis, suspensions and drive trains. There was a redesign of the sheet metal for the full size vans in 1996 to a slightly larger, more "aero" look which at the time I thought was several years overdue, but both pre-96 and post-96 full size vans all had frames. So what cargo vans did GM produce under either the Chevy or GMC nameplates that were unibody between 1979 and 1995? All of their half, three-quarter and one-ton cargo vans were body-on-frame, as were the smaller Astro/Safari's. The minivans that GM produced like the Lumina APV, Olds Silhouette, etc. weren't "cargo vans" (and obviously didn't date back to 1979), although they were unibody, and the larger box vans (bread trucks and delivery trucks and such) were all body-on-frame as there is no benefit to making something that big a unibody design. Cheers - Jonathan > On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:26:27 GMT, "Jonathan" > He was talking about the vans, not the pickups. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> are different. 79-95 were all unibody and the 96 and up are back to >>> body on frame. > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cheers - Jonathan All chevy 1969 to 1995 G-10, G-20, & G-30 , as well as the 1969 to 1995 GMC Vandura G-15, G-25, G-35's are all UNI-Body Vans. The only Non-Unibody Units are units made as Cab & chassis. Even then some Cab & Chassis vans were Uni-Body. All the Uni-Body vans have a removible front Sub Frame. This Includes All 4WD & AWD Vans. Even Solid front axle vans. Yes they did make for 3 years IFS 4WD full size vans. Around 3,000 total. All Astro/Safari Vans (including AWD Vans) from 1985 to Current (2005) are Uni-Body. They have a Front Removible Sub-Frame. Charles > Whoa Nelly! > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Cheers - Jonathan The only Uni-Body GM Pick up's made to date sold in the north america to the best of my knowledge: The Corviar based 'Greenbrier' pick ups. The South America ONLY Chevette Pick up. In South America the chevette was also produced as a station wagon, and production lasted untill 1993. Ford in the last 50's or erly 60's had a Unibody pick up. This truck had no devision between cab and bed. From 1909 to current 2005 All GMC & Chevy pick up's Including El-Camino's and GMC Sprints have been Body on Frame. The 1979 trucks are the same chassis line from 1973 to 1991. In 1988 All old style trucks being produced switch from C/K chassis codes to R/V chassis codes. R for 2WD v for 4WD. 1 ton trucks didn't switch to the newer body style untill 1989. Cab and Chassis untill 1991. Full Size Blazers and Suburbans untill 1990/1991. Charles > > Whoa Nelly! > > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > The South America ONLY Chevette Pick up. In South America the chevette > was also produced as a station wagon, and production lasted untill 1993. I know of one of the Chevette P/Us that migrated here. Kind of an ugly looking thing but it seemed to work OK. > Ford in the last 50's or erly 60's had a Unibody pick up. This truck > had no devision between cab and bed. Yup the Econoline P/U. Came with a straight six and was a two seat P/U with the engine in the middle of the seats. > From 1909 to current 2005 All GMC & Chevy pick up's Including > El-Camino's and GMC Sprints have been Body on Frame. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Blazers and Suburbans untill 1990/1991. > Charles >>>Whoa Nelly! >>> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > I know of one of the Chevette P/Us that migrated here. Kind of an ugly > looking thing but it seemed to work OK. Wow. I have only seen pictures of them. As hard as it might be to believe. I actually like Chevettes. Before you say much, you don't know a Chevette untill you run one on a dirt track, or down a old dirt & gravel fire road. Not to mention for being "disposible" cars they were simple to repair, and there were a few factory parts you could swap to increase perfromance. Although I must say it's GM's austrilian arm that makes the truck I really want. The Holden Ute SS. Basically a modern day Elky with a LS1 & a 6 speed. http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/modeloverview?modelid=15002 >>Ford in the last 50's or erly 60's had a Unibody pick up. This truck >>had no devision between cab and bed. > > Yup the Econoline P/U. Came with a straight six and was a two seat P/U > with the engine in the middle of the seats. I forgot about those. There was also a F100 Uni-Body truck. Charles > >>The only Uni-Body GM Pick up's made to date sold in the north america > >>to the best of my knowledge: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > simple to repair, and there were a few factory parts you could swap to > increase perfromance. My BIL had a couple Chevettes and ran them till they dropped. I know of a couple still running around. They were just too small for me. He loved them though. > Although I must say it's GM's austrilian arm that makes the truck I > really want. The Holden Ute SS. Basically a modern day Elky with a LS1 & > a 6 speed. > > http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/modeloverview?modelid=15002 That is a nice rig. Wonder how many hoops it would have to go through to get imported? > >>Ford in the last 50's or erly 60's had a Unibody pick up. This truck > >>had no devision between cab and bed. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I forgot about those. There was also a F100 Uni-Body truck. > Charles >>>>The only Uni-Body GM Pick up's made to date sold in the north > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > a couple still running around. They were just too small for me. He > loved them though. The lay out for the cabin space in a chevette isn't done very well. Makes them feel smaller then they are. A Geo Metro is a small car then a Chevette. I had a 86 Chevette 2dr and a 1991 Metro 2dr at the same time, back in 2000. Both $100 cars. The Metro was more comfertible to sit in, and im tall and a bit on the heavy side. I ended up selling the Chevette to a buddy who made it in to a derby car. Atleast it died a good death. :) >>Although I must say it's GM's austrilian arm that makes the truck I >>really want. The Holden Ute SS. Basically a modern day Elky with a LS1 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > That is a nice rig. Wonder how many hoops it would have to go through to > get imported? That Im not sure of. I know to ship cars to Austrialia costs around $6,000 to $9,000. Probably would have to make it meet us safety standards, convert it to left side drive, do emissions controls. I keep wishing GM would do it. Bring us Back the Ekly. Would be a more practial vehicle then the SSR. Especially since they also have a "Crewman SS" version that's a 4 door. GM basically did something like that with the new GTO's, which they sell over there as Holdens, and have a 4 door version there as well. Charles > >>>>The only Uni-Body GM Pick up's made to date sold in the north > > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > sell over there as Holdens, and have a 4 door version there as well. > Charles Yeah the SSR is another "Never Was" . Would be more fun to keep it as RHD though. Would be more fun that way... Be like the RHD Cherokee a friend of mine ordered when she was with the post office. She still has it and it is a blast to drive and watch folks look stunned when you go by. Only real problem is toll booths and drive through places. Although she got around that by backing through McDonalds... <snip of quoted text> >>>That is a nice rig. Wonder how many hoops it would have to go > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > by. Only real problem is toll booths and drive through places. Although > she got around that by backing through McDonalds... I drove a right hand drive DJ-5 Jeep. Didn't care for the right hand drive set up. I have seen a few subaru RHD stationwagons around. Some not being used for mail routes as well. There are a few drive thru's in this area that RHD would be handy for. Why with the majority of US vehicles being LHD they are set up that way, I never will understand. Charles >>Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? >>Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > are different. 79-95 were all unibody and the 96 and up are back to > body on frame. In full size vans the body line goes from 1969 to 1995. Charles >Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? >Thanks. from day one to the present the drive line on gmc and chev vehicles are identical. I understand there are some minor differences in the body and interior. --- Elbert Clarke elbert.clarke@**adelphia.net remove ** to email Wrong. In the 1950's, they were different. The GMC was a premium truck. Today they are the same. >Wrong. In the 1950's, they were different. The GMC was a premium >truck. Today they are the same. so what did the premium truck of the 50's have that the Chevy did not also have? as far as engine / drive line? --- Elbert Clarke elbert.clarke@**adelphia.net remove ** to email >>Wrong. In the 1950's, they were different. The GMC was a premium >>truck. Today they are the same. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > elbert.clarke@**adelphia.net > remove ** to email The GMC 6-71 Roots style Blower. 6 Cylinders 71 Cubic Inches of compressed air/fuel mixture. This is where the the ratings for Roots style blowers orginally came from. They work rather well for something orginally invented to provide breatrhible air down mine shafts. Charles Oh, things like Pontiac engines with pressure lubrication instead of Chevy engines with splash lube. Longer frames for the bigger engine. HydraMatic 4 speed automatic transmissions instead of 2 speed PoweGlides. Quad headlights instead of two. There is much to learn so why not do a Google search on the subject? >>Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? >>Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >elbert.clarke@**adelphia.net >remove ** to email I stand corrected. I don't know what the magic year cutoff was when as I see from other postings where apparently GMC had its own specific engines / transmissions. My comments were directed to the pickup market (I did not write that in my above post, but that's what I was referring to) , and my comments may be wrong there too. I do know that in the 1/2 3/4 and 1 ton trucks going back a few decades there has been the same engines and drive line for the Chevy and gmc trucks. --- Elbert Clarke elbert.clarke@**adelphia.net remove ** to email >>>Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? >>>Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > elbert.clarke@**adelphia.net > remove ** to email In light duty trucks from 1967 up Chevy & GMC have pretty much been identical. Light duty being all trucks up to a C-40/C-45. The 67 to 72 body style the GMC's came with more options as stanard equpiment. GMC did have a few GMC only things in those years, but not that much. 73 to 87 Trucks are pretty much trim & grills, plus GMC stamped on tailgates. 88 up C/K trucks the differances are even less. GMC's may have different Options Packages compaired a Chevy. Such as my buddies 71 3/4 ton 4x4. 307 V8, 3+Low (granny gear) transmission. Power Disk Brakes, 1 ton axles (factory installed), factory wood floor bed. Most Chevy 3/4 ton 4x4's of that year would have had front Drum Brakes, and lighter duty axles (3/4 ton), as well as a metal bed floor. When you get in to medium duty trucks from the 50's to the 80's they were more differances between the brands. Although I have seen 50's & 60's Chevy Medium Duties with the GMC 305 V6. That's not a Type-o. They made a Medium Duty ONLY 305 V6! It's a Gasoline engine. Next to impossible to find parts for. Charles I remeber in about 54 or 55 GMC had a v-6 for pickups whereas Chev still used the stove bolt 6. But in those days many GM divisions had their own engines and transmissions. look at the Chev, Buick and Oldsmobile 350 V-8s. >>>>Are there any differences mechanically or body wise between the two ? >>>>Thanks. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > find parts for. > Charles > I remeber in about 54 or 55 GMC had a v-6 for pickups whereas Chev still > used the stove bolt 6. But in those > days many GM divisions had their own engines and transmissions. look at the > Chev, Buick and Oldsmobile > 350 V-8s. Devisional engines became 'corperate engines' in the late 70's. Firebirds could be ordered with a 4.9L Pontiac 301, a Chevy 305, a Olds 350 (1976-1977 Only) or a Olds 403. In the 80's a Buick Regal either came with a buick 3.8 or a Olds 307. My 1979 Buick Lesabra 2dr HT, had a pontiac 301 in it. The engines that survived the FWD transission went to what we call engine families. Shuch as a 3.3,3.8,4.0 V6 are buick V6's. 2.8,3.1,3.4 V6's are Chevy engines. Olds had a 3.5l V6 and the aroura V8 untill GM killed that devision. Caddilac while in the 80's starting using olds engines after their 4100 problems. I junked a 88 Fullsize RWD Caddy that had a olds 307 in it. Yet after that they went back to caddilac engines. Devisions like Saturn have their own drivelines. All Truck Devisions use Corperate Truck Engines. When you get in to medium duty you can get a Catapiller Diesel. Charles |
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