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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / April 20061989 chevy transmission removal question.
I have a 1989 1500 4x4. I need to change the trans. I don't want to mess with the torsion bars. Can I remove the trans with the transfer case still connected? Will everything clear and come out in one piece? Thanks in advance. This is my fisrt post. -Royce- <INLINE> ============ ============ > I have a 1989 1500 4x4. I need to change the trans. I don't want to mess > with the torsion bars. Can I remove the trans with the transfer case still > connected? No, it will not. Will everything clear and come out in one piece? No, it will not. Thanks in > advance. This is my fisrt post. -Royce- yw ~:~ marshmonster ~:~ ><INLINE> >============ [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >marshmonster >~:~ Correct, it has to come out in two pieces. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com > <INLINE> > ============ > ============ > >>I have a 1989 1500 4x4. I need to change the trans. I don't want to mess >>with the torsion bars. Then Take the Truck CAB off!!! > Can I remove the trans with the transfer case still > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > marshmonster > ~:~  SignatureIt Doesnot Take Brains To Get A High Paying Job! All You Need Is A College Degree It looks to me that I don't have enought room to pull the t-case back to clear the gear shaft that comes out of the tranny with the cross member for the torsion bars in the way. With the two connected it looks like I do have enough room to clear the flywheel and drop the two tranny end first. Keep in mind I have the short bed not the long bed. ======== ======== > It looks to me that I don't have enought room to pull the t-case back to > clear the gear shaft that comes out of the tranny with the cross member > for the torsion bars in the way. With the two connected it looks like I do > have enough room to clear the flywheel and drop the two tranny end first. > Keep in mind I have the short bed not the long bed. ======== ======== 3 things, pay attention, carefull attention. #1 see my first reply. #2 do it yer way, I don't really care. #3 I've pulled at least 40-50 of that type THIS YEAR. not last year, or the last 5 years. This year. so....please see #1. ~:~ MarshMonster ~answering the questions asked...not the ones that aren't~ Ok Mr. Mouth. I saw your reply. I did it my way today. It came out in one piece. In fact it came out real easy with the trans connected to the t-case. The problem here is that you have been wrong for so long you thought you were right. If you have an attitude towards people who post wquestions because they want to make sure they do things without screwing up, don't reply. If you can't be nice, don't speak. The world don't need you. Thanks anyway for the reply and thanks to everyone else and also I am sorry to everyone who had to read this idiots reply. To the moderator of this group, thanks a bunch! It's a great group and I hope to learn more from this group. thanks again. >Ok Mr. Mouth. I saw your reply. I did it my way today. It came out in one >piece. In fact it came out real easy with the trans connected to the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >this group, thanks a bunch! It's a great group and I hope to learn more >from this group. thanks again. There will always be someone to do it different just to be different but the CORRECT way is to take it out in two pieces in that body style to easy handling of unit and reduce strain on parts as well. THere is a wrong way and a correctway to do it. How you choose to do it is up to you. BTW, the GM approved way (and they built it) is removal in two peices not one. On the assembly line it is set in in one peice, before body is attached to chassis. ----------------- The SnoMan www.thesnoman.com Ok, Snoman, Sorry if we got out on the wrong foot here. I appreciate this reply being polite and not sarcasm. Humour me on this one. Now, I would have rather have taken it out in two pieces. Tell me how it is done when there is only 6 inches of room to slide the t-case back and the shaft from the tranny is sticking into the t-case about 8 to 10 inches? Every trans shop I called said the cross member that holds the torsion bars has to come out. I live in the motor city. there is a lot of trans shops around here and they all said the same thing. I have worked on a lot of trans myself. But just not on a 4X4. I am just trying to learn something here. If you have this knowledge then give it to me. That is what the message group is for and that is all I want. You say you have done 40-50 this year. Then you must be a trans tech at a shop or dealer. If they can come out in two pieces then humour me and type it out step by step. Please and Thanks. > Ok Mr. Mouth. I saw your reply. I did it my way today. It came out in one > piece. In fact it came out real easy with the trans connected to the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > this group, thanks a bunch! It's a great group and I hope to learn more > from this group. thanks again. ========= ========= I did one my way today. took it out, put it in. drove it for 20 minutes. 2.5 hours start to finish. have a nice fuk'n day aligning your truck. hmmmm....... you are going to have it aligned after messing with the torsion bars.........aren't you. rotfflmfao @ the rookie that likes doing things his way. oh.... and like I told you before, do it your way, i don't reeeeeellllly... give a sh.t. lmao ~:~ MarshMonster ~:~ >> Ok Mr. Mouth. I saw your reply. I did it my way today. It came out in one >> piece. In fact it came out real easy with the trans connected to the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > you are going to have it aligned after messing with the torsion > bars.........aren't you. Pardon me for joining this party late, but in the OP, this is what the new-B stated... "I have a 1989 1500 4x4. I need to change the trans. I don't want to mess with the torsion bars. Can I remove the trans with the transfer case still connected? Will everything clear and come out in one piece? Thanks in advance. This is my fisrt post. -Royce-" the replies he got were given in this spirit: MarshMonster "No, it will not." ~answering the questions asked...not the ones that aren't~ SM "Correct, it has to come out in two pieces." Not questioning your skills, training, or ability, but why do you ask about the bars that he said he didn't want to mess with..... and both you and SnoMan said that it wouldn't come out as an assembly, but not why. The rookie may have damaged the assembly, but was able to do what you said could not happen. As someone who also comes here to ask questions and learn the correct way to do things by reading other's experiences, the info you seem to have given BEFORE he decided to do it his way was lacking the "WHY" factor that would have been the difference between my taking your replies as being simplistic and just a little smartassed and having educated both the OP and myself as to the correct way to do this project. I will be doing a similar swap in a year or so, and the information would have been helpful. Currently I am aware that the parts SHOULD BE removed as two separate parts, but that based on his experience that doesn't appear to be possible due to the OP saying "It looks to me that I don't have enought room to pull the t-case back to clear the gear shaft that comes out of the tranny with the cross member for the torsion bars in the way." and that while not the recommended way to do it, the assembly CAN AND DOES come out as an assembly. Just a thought, for the future, help the rookies understand why things are the way they are, and maybe they will learn from you. Otherwise your advice doesn't have the credibility factor. You may have demonstrated your ability to the regulars here many eons ago, but I don't know you from Adam, and niether do other new people. I'd like to learn from your experience, when applicable, but without you sharing it... it is wasted. Thanks. Eric Well, Eric, I would be glad to share my expierience with you. I will post a step by step in the message group when I am done rebuilding the trans I am putting in. I have good info on identifying the transmissions and more. I will also email you with my personal email address so that when you do your trans, you can contact me. I have an email that never changes. Thanks for the reply you posted. You said things very correctly. I don't know why this is guy is even in this group if he is going to be such an idiot to other people. Because I am new he looks at me like I am below him. He was a rookie too one day. He had to ask question too. We all put our pants on the same way. Chat later. watch for my email. roycecas1 wrote in message: . I don't know why > this is guy is even in this group if he is going to be such an idiot to > other people. Because I am new he looks at me like I am below him. He was > a rookie too one day. ========== ========== I do not think you are below me. And....I do not apreciate your thinking that I would be so shallow a being as to think you are without getting to know you a bit more. and, as far as my have'n been a rookie........ well of course...... 36 years ago. But....... after being told what an idiot I was for 5 or 10 years or so....... I graduated and now am certifiable. hopefully, one day, you too will be certifiable like me... then you can offer up great advice from experience too. ~:~ marsh ~adds a few more mushrooms to the pot of boiling tea.....sips his crownroyal~ Eric G wrote to marshmonster: > Not questioning your skills, training, or ability, but why do you ask about > the bars that he said he didn't want to mess with..... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Eric ========= ========= I did not say why, because he did not ask why. I refer you to the start of thread, and most importantly, the wording used. then.... i refer you to the wording under my signatures in my replies. ~:~ MarshMonster ~called up the eye surgeon yesterday and asked him if I could take the prybar out of my own eye, he said no......i asked why~ Once again the Mouth has spoken rudely. He thinks he is so smart and laughs at me about the torsion bars. I guess I wasn't clear. Here is what I did. I only took out the trans mount cross member. I didn't touch the torsion bars so NO I won't be getting the truck aligned! I did drop the Y-pipe to make the job easier. That is all I did. I left the t-case atatched and dropped right out with no prob at all. So like I said, Mr. Mouth has been doing wrong so long he thought he was right. Who looks like the idiot now. Oh yeah here is another neat way to look at this. You have been doing 40-50 a year for years and never figured out how to do it this way and I figured it out on my first job! Gee who is the smart one now? If I can figure out how to that on my first try I wonder what i will be like when i am an old fart like you. HA HA HA. Now lastly, if you don't care, why do you reply? Why do you read the post? LOL I think you do care. LOL . . <<INLINE>> . . ========= ========= > Once again the Mouth has spoken rudely. He thinks he is so smart and laughs > at me about the torsion bars. I guess I wasn't clear. Correct, you were not clear. . Here is what I did. > I only took out the trans mount cross member. I didn't touch the torsion > bars so NO I won't be getting the truck aligned! I did drop the Y-pipe to > make the job easier. That is all I did. Glad to here your way works for you. (there will be a quiz at the end of this...) I left the t-case atatched and > dropped right out with no prob at all. I find this to be a mistruth. (how's that fer polite?) So like I said, Mr. Mouth has been > doing wrong so long he thought he was right. Who looks like the idiot now. To me.....it's still you. > Oh yeah here is another neat way to look at this. You have been doing > 40-50 a year for years and never figured out how to do it this way and I > figured it out on my first job! Please read your own thread. I never stated that I did 40-50 a year for years. As a matter of FACT......my post is quite to the contrary of that statement. However, to your credit, I too was once an idiot, for there was a time when like you, I was stupid enough to attempt it your way. But that was about 35 years ago. lmao Gee who is the smart one now? If I can > figure out how to that on my first try I wonder what i will be like when i > am an old fart like you. HA HA HA. yep........and the world is flat. I know, I know. lol Now lastly, if you don't care, why do > you reply? Because you asked. Because you wanted me to. Because you i like to relieve frustration by pok'n fun at ignorant fools. But mostly......... jest cuz I can, and you can't stop me!!!!!!!!! lmao you can try to...... but you can't. (trust me...kill files don't work on me..lmao) Why do you read the post? Because....regardless of what you think, I don't care, but I love a battle of wits. It's not really my fault if you don't believe me when I give you adivice, or that you don't particulerly care for the way I give it, or that you aren't able to discern between experienced oversight given with firm rule of order and out right bullheadedness. LOL I think you do care. LOL ok.....ok.....i will concede this one point. I care jest a little. now........for that quiz i told you about............ how easy did that exhaust come off? now.....don't lie. ~:~ marsh ~still thinks yer an idiot.....as defined by mr webster~ Ok, I will answer the quiz in a minute. First, I am very open minded. My problem is your sarcasm. I am new to this 4X4 stuff and don't need a guy that is smart making me feel little. That is offensive. I had ideas and was looking for answers. All you gave was short little "No it will not", "no it will not", And "Then take the cab off!" You never told me why I should do it that way. You were hell bent on or should I say bullheaded about doing it your way and not being questioned about it. I was just asking questions man. That's all. You didn't answer them with the info to back them up. Again I wasn't clear on the reply about your past years. Yes you said that you did 40-50 this year alone not counting what you have done beyond that. Now I notice all your responses to my last message are all just hurt boy digs. I think that is kinda funny myself. Now, about the y-pipe. It came off just as I expected it to. All 6 studs broke off. I know that's what you want to hear. BUT, I grabbed my drill and drilled out the studs in the manifold and I have 6 new nut and bolts to put back in. I have already been down that road with my 89 Iroc. > Ok, I will answer the quiz in a minute. First, I am very open minded. My > problem is your sarcasm. I am new to this 4X4 stuff and don't need a guy [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > the studs in the manifold and I have 6 new nut and bolts to put back in. I > have already been down that road with my 89 Iroc. ========= ========= No...you are wrong. I was expecting you to lie like "most" of the others do. lmao however, you have shown great character in telling the truth. next time, if you want an answer, ask the question. ok? and...... if you want to know why now..... yer still gonna have to ask. however, I'm think'n maybe........ you know why I do it my way now. lmao ~:~ marshmonster ~pours you some shroomjuice...thinks you need it worst than he does~ Poor MarshMonster... You are so misunderstood... either that, or it must be "Kick MarshMonster Week", and I didn't get the memo... Personally, I find your comments entertaining, even though they obviously piss off some others... Have a great weekend, sip some more Crown Royal, and keep those posts coming. Websurfer >> Ok Mr. Mouth. I saw your reply. I did it my way today. It came out in one >> piece. In fact it came out real easy with the trans connected to the [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > MarshMonster > ~:~ websurfer wrote in message: > Poor MarshMonster... You are so misunderstood...========= ========= it's a fact brudder.... a sad fact. ~:~ marsh ~pours a crownroyal for the surfer dude....drops in a mushroom~ Look just stop all the smart a.s remarks. Just answer a post with good information instead of short do it my way sh.t. Tell why it can be done the way you say. I removed that trans and t-case with just me, my wife and two jacks in my driveway. I don't have tranny jacks, a lift and all that stuff. I am a common man with regular garage tools. Just like a lot of people that come to these groups for answers. People like you don't have to ask questions because you do this for a living or whatever. I don't have a ton of money. I am a father fo 9 kids, I run my own business doing residential remodeling and I homeschool 3 of my kids. I am barely getting by in this economy. If you had to deal with what I do and work on a vehicle you would know what it is like. > Look just stop all the smart a.s remarks. Just answer a post with good > information instead of short do it my way sh.t. Tell why it can be done [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > by in this economy. If you had to deal with what I do and work on a > vehicle you would know what it is like. ========= ========= oh man....... not the "walk in my shoes fer awhile" thing. come on man...... buck up. it's a hard life, but somebody's gotta live it. And....unfortunately, it's gotta be you and me, cuz nobody's gonna live it for us. so buck up. any whooo...... I answered yer damn question. I'm sorry if you didn't ask the question you wanted the answer to. That's yer fault. Not mine. Please see my last reply, if you want to know why.... then by Gawd man.......ask. or quit the cry'n. now go have yerself a stiff one, slap yerself across the face, maybe hit yer head on the wall a couple times.....and face life head on with a don't give a sh.t attitude. you hear me? ~:~ marsh ~pours you some more mushroom tea....thinks the last cup didn't help enough~ >Look just stop all the smart a.s remarks. Just answer a post with good >information instead of short do it my way sh.t. Tell why it can be done [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >by in this economy. If you had to deal with what I do and work on a >vehicle you would know what it is like. Royce, You're not the only one to make those observations. More than one person has said basically the same as what you did in the first part of your comments above. This game of "don't-ask-don't-tell" is a little silly. If you were to follow this group for the past couple of months you would see a couple of exchanges between "M" and others in almost an identical manner, same on another newsgroup. A person asks a simple question..... and you get the standard "M" reply. Sometimes you get tidbits of useful information and usually you get some additional comments to go with it. ----------- Elbert ask@me.com > You're not the only one to make those observations. More than one > person has said basically the same as what you did in the first part [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Elbert > ask@me.com ============ ============ ELBERT...!!!!!!!! net nanny. how's it hang'n dude? you know Elby, I've been try'n to do as you commanded and be a decent little feller in the way I handle these dudes....... but......... it's hard, reeeeelllly hard. by the way Elby........where were you back when the room wasn't such a piece of sh.t, you know, back when all the regs gave a sh.t and came in here EVERY DAY to insure net nannies didn't corrupt a good shop atmosphere? any whooo..... not to worry........... I'm track'n em down one by one......... and hiring em back on with raises and bonus's. I expect we'll have the ole crew back in here any month now..... and all the non productive chit/chatting and net nannying will be done away with, then we'll get back to the ole program of DIGGING all the pertinent info from the OPs in our own little way and fixing their vehicals without them even knowing it. ~:~ Marsh ~hates his doctor........but damn he's good~ >> You're not the only one to make those observations. More than one >> person has said basically the same as what you did in the first part [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] >Marsh >~hates his doctor........but damn he's good~ Marsh, I figured you would grace us once again with your insightful comments. Too bad...! Looks like you've spent many hours trying to reform your actions, but it would appear you just couldn't get there. Sometimes no matter what the messenger seems to know, if he can't effectively communicate those thoughts into words...then what good is he? That's where I find you...I could care less if you post to this newsgroup or any newsgroup daily or once a year. As I've said to you before.... All it takes is a little tact, a little understanding. Now whether you think I'm the bad guy or not.... I could care less. You need to look in the mirror because your actions have prompted me and others to post our comments. I'm not here to make any personal claims to fame, about how long I've been on this newsgroup, how long I've been a mechanic, how long I've done this or that... That's not the point. The point is this.... Your comments are Off-base, out-of-line, and totally without merit. You instigate a running stream of commentary directed to mostly "new-users" which I presume is to illicit some type of response from the new-user. Then when someone take issue with your non-technical comments you then begin to tell us how much you know, how long you been in the car repair business and how many this or that you've done. Never once conceding that all of that is pure fluff. I don't recall anyone commenting on your technical knowledge for the most part.... I've seen numerous posts that took issue with your other comments. I welcome the "old-timers" comments...whom- ever they are? Whether I'm posting today for the first time ever or I've been part of this newsgroups since inception....really does not matter in the least little bit. Every wonder why you seem to be the lighting rod for responses like this? Ever think it might your problem? Your past and present comments do not facilitate an open dialog where people can share information, by asking questions and providing answers in an unbiased manner and hopefully at least free from personal attacks, name calling, etc..... Live in your own marsh, but expect that others will comment when you cross the line.You are about the only person I see where comments are directed to, based upon the content of your posts, outside the technical content. Maybe that should tell you something. No rules about being a jerk, on the newsgroups, so about all I can do is break out a box of crayons and try to illustrate to you the error of your ways. Now if you can't see that...then there's not much I can do beyond that. ----------- Elbert ask@me.com Elbert, I know what you mean. I have recieved many email over all this from people telling me all about this "Marsh" guy. I don't even read his replys anymore. He has three on here now and I don't think it's worth even reading them because he doesn't really say anything. He just spews forth these little saying that he uses to TRY to make himself seem above everyone else. It's quit funny because it reminds me of my dad. He thinks he is such an asset but every time he posts a reply I get people sending emails to my personal email laughing at this guy. I am over all this anyway. I rebuilt the trans yesterday and it is already back in the truck. I just gotta button up the wires and exhaust. It rained me out yesterday afternoon and it just started raining agian today. You have a good day. Elbert, I know what you mean. I have recieved many email over all this from people telling me all about this "Marsh" guy. I don't even read his replys anymore. He has three on here now and I don't think it's worth even reading them because he doesn't really say anything. He just spews forth these little saying that he uses to TRY to make himself seem above everyone else. It's quit funny because it reminds me of my dad. He thinks he is such an asset but every time he posts a reply I get people sending emails to my personal email laughing at this guy. I am over all this anyway. I rebuilt the trans yesterday and it is already back in the truck. I just gotta button up the wires and exhaust. It rained me out yesterday afternoon and it just started raining agian today. You have a good day. If Marsh responded any other way, We'd think he got sick, or maybe didn't drink enough shroom juice. R-K >>Look just stop all the smart a.s remarks. Just answer a post with good >>information instead of short do it my way sh.t. Tell why it can be done [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Elbert > ask@me.com I believe ya King. Now that I know what kinda guy he is, I know how to handle him now. He doesn't bother me anymore. At first I was upset but now I know. I can actually have fun with this now. LOL I like this group and it's information so he won't be running me off. I am here to stay. I am turning my truck into a true offroad killer. I got a lot of plans for it. It is an 89 but you can eat off the underbody. The interior is almost like new. It is worth building. Have a good day. > If Marsh responded any other way, > > We'd think he got sick, or maybe didn't drink enough shroom juice. > > R-K ============= ============= Elberts jess pissed because he can't trick me into admitting I'm delusional. good to see you King. (we've got a new bonus program) (and I here we're all getting raises) personally, i thunk it's elberts fault that it took so long. <g> ~:~ marsh ~sips his shroomjuice....and notices the traffic is picking up~ I'll tell you the real problem with MarshMonster! Crown Royal ! Now if it was a good bourbon like Makers Mark he would be a OK guy. Just my opinion >> If Marsh responded any other way, >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > marsh > ~sips his shroomjuice....and notices the traffic is picking up~ > I'll tell you the real problem with MarshMonster! Crown Royal ! Now if it > was a good bourbon like Makers Mark he would be a OK guy. Just my opinion ========== ========== All free samples of alchohol and chemicals are welcomed and appreciated for testing purposes. Samples will not be returned, you pay shipping, I will assume all responsibility as to detrimental side affects that can not be offset drinking mushroom tea. A post of testing results will be provided........ as to lasting effects, phsychy adulation, scema diversity afliction, id variances, illium modifcations, and overall dependency of effects on ones outlook on life. If such post-test informative posting update results in flaming, defamation, or character bashing of testor........... oh well...... it's understood. ~:~ mm ~is off to the lickher stow.....it's gonna be a MakersMark sort of weekend...... besides.....i'm kinda fond of the initials~ |
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