>On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 21:02:58 -0400, The Nolalu Barn Owl
><gordie@nolalu.on.ca>
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>engine oil cooler. Ram air cannot always be relied on to do the job.
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Hotrodders have always known that you can remove the fan when you
race. You only need it when the care isn't moving.
Put it in gear Snowman, the fan isn't going to pull it and all the
tweaking in the world isn't going to improve things.
Just look at what the factory does. They do NOT tweak the fan to make
a heavy-duty truck. They add cores to the rad. I have never seen an
exception to this.
The wear on the rad even happens with the old trucks. If you
lubricate the rubber mounts with dishwashing detergent they will
squeeze over the rad and allow you to mount it but over a short time
will wear through, causing a lead on the tank I live in the Great
White North of Northwestern Ontario and can tell you that a 2-core rad
isn't enough unless it is just you and your lumch-pail, driving a few
miles to work. Summer is much hatter in most any part of this
continent than I'll ever experience and I have already determined
this.
Fans, praying to MECCA, I don't care. You literally HAVE to have
surface area on the rad cores to transfer heat to the air. There is
no substitute for a properly sized rad if you work your truck at all.
If you tow, use overdrive for extended periods or haul heavy loads you
should have a 3 or 4-core fan.
One guy at work told me that when the truck starts to overheat, to
switch to second gear and watch the temp go down because the fan will
be running faster and the engine will be working less hard in that RPM
range.
I did that and watched the gauge climb to the top in a few short
miles, forcing me to pull over and idle it until cool. This is after
changing the fan to a silicone nonsense fan with 5 blades and the
thermostat to 180ºF
Upon arriving home I searched the newsgroups and found that you need a
larger rad than 2-core to drag a trailer on the highway. I bought a
brand new 3-core rad and NEVER had that problem again.
Ask yourself this. Do you want to be at the side of the road, playing
mosquito bait in my neck of the woods, on some God forsaken road,
TWEAKING an old fan or do you want to be driving?
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Regards
Gordie
SnoMan - 22 Jul 2006 14:41 GMT
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 08:44:37 -0400, The Nolalu Barn Owl
<gordie@nolalu.on.ca>
wrote:
>Hotrodders have always known that you can remove the fan when you
>race. You only need it when the care isn't moving.
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>a heavy-duty truck. They add cores to the rad. I have never seen an
>exception to this.
First hot rodders do not tow and keep heavy loads on engines for long
periods of time so they can get by without a fan sometimes. They aslo
do not use A/C generally which adds a lot of heat load to radiator
core stack. Also you are mistaken because they do tweak clutch fans
setting and the fans themselve with HD cooling systems (you have not
done your research here) and even semis have fans that can engage at
highway speeds because ram air does not always work plus when you are
drafting or traveling with wind the ram air is greatly reduced.
Postive forced airflow at times also lowers under hood temps which
reduced heat stress on under hood components too extending the life of
altenators and such. Sure you can use a 5 core radiator and try to
get by on ram air but even if you did you under hood temps would be a
lot higher than with a smaller radiatro core thickness and positive
airflow. I run 7 PSI caps for long cooling system life with 70/30
antifreeze and my vehicles never even think about over heating in the
worst of conditions with properly operating clutch fans. (my 89 with
178K has hoses that are still like new) Clutch fans also boost A/C
output on hot day because they force airflow through condensor that
cools refigerant more so that it can absorb more heat from cabin (this
is why cars with electric fan force them one when A/C is selected).
While you do not want too small a raditor for sure but nor do you want
to be nieve enough to believe that ram air along can do the job all
the time in a SUV and it will not do it towing on a hot day. GM had a
lot of problems with Dmax's not cooling properly on hot days towing
(no surprise given limited grill area and tight engine compartment
they restricts air flow though it) so for year the got buy by saying
temps of 230 or a bit more were "normal" towing with them and in 2006
they quietly greatly increased the size of the cooling fan and shroud
and changed the calibration of it too to try to better control the
problem.
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The SnoMan
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