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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / October 2006Question, O2 upstream sensor for Trailblazer 2003 4.2L
Greetings, I have a 2003 LS series Trailblazer 4WD with a 4.2L engine. It has 44,000 miles on it, so far it only needed one part, still under warranty, the engine... Well, It has been a year since the engine was replaced, going to work the other day the check engine light came on. I took it to advance auto parts and they put it on the machine to get the error codes out of it. It came up with error code P0172, System Too Rich. I pulled the old one out and checked it for continituity, it is a 4 wire unit, the heater checked OK and then I put a volt meter across the sensor lines and heated it up a little with a propane torch, it never read over .065 volts. I thought it might be the O2 sensor, so, I picked one up. They gave me a Bosch 15285. I took out the old one and when I was putting in the new one I noticed that it didn't have any slits on the side like the original. I tried it in the opening and it fit, so, I put it in. Well, the next day the check engine came on. I thought the the computer module may need cleared so I disconnected the battery for half an hour or so and hooked up the battery, Check engine light came on after 20 or so miles. I know that it may be something else. I had the check engine come on one time because the gas cap was loose. My question would be is the Bosch 15285 the proper sensor for the upstream sensor? Is there any cheap error reading units out there on the market? As always, Thanks in advance, Markus Goto your local autozone they will probally be nice enough to put it on a scanner for you. > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Markus The code is telling you the pcm sees a rich mixture, not necessrily a bad sensor, a full scan should be done to properly diagnose the problem, many things can cause the rich mixture to the point the pcm cannot adjust with it's maximum fuel trim programming and sets a code. > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Markus > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > because the gas cap was loose. My question would be is the Bosch > 15285 the proper sensor for the upstream sensor? Yes, 15285 is the correct sensor in the upstream position. > Is there any cheap > error reading units out there on the market? Yes. Thing is, reading the trouble code is only 5% of the diagnostic process, although, if all you're interested in is swapnostics, you'll be fine. Did you use a high impedance volt meter when you tested with the propane torch? Greetings, Yes I did use a impedance volt meter, I do electronic repair and used one of my Fluke meters. I did some more reading about o2 sensors. Found a good article about o2 sensors at. http://www.aa1car.com/library/o2sensor.htm I'm stuck at home today, couldn't do any testing today. I'll keep you posted on what I find with the latest code. In the repair business they call it shotgun repair, of course, 5 bucks for a fist full of capacitors is a lot cheaper than these sensors. Take care, Markus On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 13:56:57 GMT, aarcuda69062 <nonelson@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Greetings, >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >Did you use a high impedance volt meter when you tested with the >propane torch? >Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >repair business they call it shotgun repair, of course, 5 bucks for a >fist full of capacitors is a lot cheaper than these sensors. If it is under 5 years old and under 50K miles it is still covered by the emissions warranty for this so a dealer should fix it for free. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > >Greetings, > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > the emissions warranty for this so a dealer should fix it for free. > ----------------- Snojob, that has NOT been the case for 12 model years. The EPA mandated warranty on O2 sensors has been 2/24 since the implementation of OBD2. >Snojob, that has NOT been the case for 12 model years. Hey Ahole, you can make a coment without getting nasty. ALso I do question that comment because they have not relaxed the 5year 50K emission standard as you suggest and they are tlking about extending it in the future. In order to sell a car they have to certify it to meet emissions for this period above, not just for 24K miles. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > >Snojob, that has NOT been the case for 12 model years. > > Hey Ahole, you can make a coment without getting nasty. Hey Snoball, you can make a comment without being wrong most of the time. > ALso I do > question that comment because they have not relaxed the 5year 50K > emission standard as you suggest and they are tlking about extending > it in the future. Do you live in a f.cking cave or what? Since MY 1996, it's been minor components 2/24, major components 8/80 or 10/100. > In order to sell a car they have to certify it to > meet emissions for this period above, not just for 24K miles. Yeah, certify to meet emissions as I stated them, 2/24 and 8/80. This is such old news, one has to wonder how long you've had Alzheimer's, not to mention that it's so frickin easy to learn about on the internet. (the following link makes the big assumption that you can actually -read-) http://www.epa.gov/oms/consumer/warr95fs.txt Do you see 5/50 anywhere in there? I sure don't. >>Snojob, that has NOT been the case for 12 model years. > > Hey Ahole, you can make a coment without getting nasty. Wait a second! You should not be passing your name around. Bad enough you hand out bad info, now your going to be nasty as well? I'm going to have to change your sig again. >ALso I do > question that comment because they have not relaxed the 5year 50K [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ----------------- > TheAssHoleMan.com There ya go!! Why do you think it is an O2 sensor problem? Too rich could be any number of things. O2 codes would be in the 130-167 area. Just getting a code is really of little value. You need to hook it up to a scanner and see how everything is interacting. Pull the freeze frame data and see just what was going on when the code was set. I would think a 172 code would be more of a leaking or dirty injector. > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Markus Calhoun, Being stuck home all day I did some research. Looks like a canister problem would cause this sort of problem. I'm interested about the dirty injector suggestion, see, I had a Astro van years ago. It had a throttle body fuel injector. Funny thing, my Trailblazer is acting just like my Astro van. I made up a tube that was bent so that I could pull out the dog house and remove the air cleaner. I would just spray the face of the injector with carb cleaner and clean out the crap coating the inside of the carb and it would run like a top. I realize that those days are gone. I really never messed with the injectors on this beast yet. It looks like the driver for the injector is mounted right on the injector. Is there an injector for each cylinder? I can't see under the air box on top of the engine. Years before that I had a 1973 Chevy Nova that ran like a dog, had it to the shop plenty of times, I found the problem to be a cracked vacuum line. It dried out and had a crack in it. I found that by accident. It ran like a top after I fixed it, My Nova had a 350 in it, I miss it. Thanks, Markus >Why do you think it is an O2 sensor problem? Too rich could be any number of >things. O2 codes would be in the 130-167 area. Just getting a code is really [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Markus |
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