I have a 2001 GMC Duramax truck that had the injectors fail and fill
the motor with deisel fuel to the point where it was blowing out of the
fill tube. The truck only has 80,000 miles on it. There is a GM service
bulliten that was issued that says they have extended the warranty on
the injectors to 200,000 miles and 10 years so the local dealer
replaced them under warranty. I told them at that time I didn't think
that running deisel fuel inside that motor had done it any good and
that the whole motor was suspect in my opinion and was told that
"deisel contains some oil so it won't damage anything". I got a whole
2144 miles before a bearing spun and now my motor is trashed and they
are telling me that the area rep is denying my warranty coverage
because the truck is out of the official 100,000 mile 5 year warranty
by 9 months, even though the faulty injectors that caused the failure
are warranteed for 200,000 miles or 10 years . My point is that the
injector failure flooded the engine with solvent, basically, and washed
all oil away from the contact areas which caused the failure and the
mechanic who is working on it at the local dealership agrees with me
completely. I'm looking at $15,600 to get it replaced. I was hoping for
some expert opinions on the lubricating properties of deisel fuel as an
oil substitute. I'm no expert but I suspect that deisel is not really
acceptable as an engine lubricant, and I suspect that the oil pump
would not pump it as the viscosity is so low. Any
help/tips/advice/pointers towards anything printed that says DO NOT ADD
DEISEL FUEL TO YOUR ENGINE, IT WILL DAMAGE IT would be greatly
appreciated as the motor is torn apart as I type this and they are
awaiting the new engine.
P.S. I've been calling deisel mechanics all morning and I have gotten
100% confirmation that running your motor with deisel fuel in side of
it washes the oil from the contact surfaces of the motor, no ifs ands
or buts abou tit
P.P.S. DURAMAX FUEL INJECTORS CAUSE ENGINE FAILURE UPDATE: Well, I just
got off the phone with the GM Customer service people. They say that
since the 100,000 mile 5 year warranty is expired by 9 months they will
not warranty the motor even though it was RUINED by an injector failing
and flooding the engine with deisel. The injectors are warranteed for
200,000 miles or 10 years because they are DEFECTIVE ( see
http://www.thedieselpage.com/duramax/lb7injectorwarranty.htm ) and are
going bad on a regular basis according to the local dealers duramax
mechanic. I talked to this mechanic at length who took the engine out
and HE AGREES WITH ME 100%. The mechanic told me that he has seen a
bunch of these injector failures and every time an engine gets filled
with deisel the trusks start coming in with low oil pressure readings
and "it's only a matter of time before they FAIL". He has told me that
That's right folks, A GM TRAINED DURAMAX MECHANIC HAS TOLD ME THAT HE
SEES THESE FAILURES ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THAT HE HAS TOLD THE AREA GM
REP THAT THE ENGINES ARE FAILING AS A RESULT OF THE INJECTOR PROBLEM
AND THAT GM IS REFUSING TO WARRANTY THE FAILED ENGINES.
Let me re-state the facts here: my truck is a 2001 GMC 3500 with 80,000
miles on it that only made it 2,144 miles AFTER THE ENGINE WAS FLOODED
WITH FUEL THAT WASHED AWAY THE LUBRICANT before FAILING as a result of
OIL BEING WASHED AWAY FROM THE BEARINGS. GM is refusing to honor the
warranty on grounds that in their opinion THE OIL PUMP FAILED AT 80,000
MILES which is unrelated to the flooding problem.
If they are right, THAT'S EVEN WORSE NEWS FOR DURAMAX OWNERS. YOUR OIL
PUMP COULD FAIL AT RANDOM AT 80,000 MILES AND GM WILL NOT STAND BEHIND
IT.
I suspect that eventually there will be a class action lawsuit that
will force them to pay up on these failures but right now I'm SCREWED.
I have a wife and 2 kids and make my living with the truck and now I'm
looking at $15,600 for a replacement engine from GM that I'll have to
throw on high interest credit cards if I want to be able to provide for
my family. They have me by the b@lls here. I still owe $10K on the
truck and now I'm looking at buying it again, basically, and I'm sick
inside over it.
Any helpful hints on how to proceed or any other forums you could
suggest to post to will be appreciated, as well as any help in
spreading the word. My only hope at this point is to somehow generate
enough publicity that they agree to fix it.
Thanks in advance for your help/time.
Shep - 17 Oct 2006 22:56 GMT
Get a statement from a certified diesel mechanic and file a complaint with
the Better Business Bureau or the State Attn'y Generals office for breach of
warranty or go to court and sue GM with all your documentation.
>I have a 2001 GMC Duramax truck that had the injectors fail and fill
> the motor with deisel fuel to the point where it was blowing out of the
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> Thanks in advance for your help/time.
websurfer - 18 Oct 2006 05:52 GMT
So, based on their statement "GM is refusing to honor the
> warranty on grounds that in their opinion THE OIL PUMP FAILED AT 80,000
> MILES which is unrelated to the flooding problem.
the GM Certified mechanic let you leave a GM dealership with NO OIL PRESSURE
after they fixed the injector, and you drove 2144 miles with no oil pressure
before the bearing spun?
If they're admitting that they fixed the injector and failed to notice
that the engine had no oil pressure, but let you drive it home anyway, then
in my opinion, it should be on THEM to fix it. You need a lawyer.
> Get a statement from a certified diesel mechanic and file a complaint with
> the Better Business Bureau or the State Attn'y Generals office for breach
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Black Dog - 17 Oct 2006 23:51 GMT
Whoever told you it was ok allow fuel to wash your engine was, is, and
always will be WRONG. After such a drenching of internals, several oil
changes with just turning the motor over, to relube the oil pump as well,
may have saved your motor. 15 or so quarts of motor oil would have been very
prudent, and economicly logical. I suspect the service manager should be
named in a lawsuit, with the dealership. I'm no lawyer, but if I was on the
jury....
good luuck
>I have a 2001 GMC Duramax truck that had the injectors fail and fill
> the motor with deisel fuel to the point where it was blowing out of the
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> Thanks in advance for your help/time.
187 - 17 Oct 2006 23:55 GMT
i have a coupla questions for you.
first off, was the oil and filter changed wheh the injector dumped raw
fuel into the crankcase?
btw i work on class 8 trucks for a living.
if it wasnt, then you have a leg to stand on because the tech. who
replaced the injector should have done that.
secondly, has the engine been tore down, and the oil pump been checked for
failure?
you and everyone whom you've talked to are correct, the fuel in the oil
can destroy the engine, yes the fuel has some lubricating properties, but
there is no way it can protect the moving parts inside the engine, if it
could, youd be using fuel instead of oil in the crankcase.
how long was the engine ran with the fuel in the oil?
also, try to talk to someone higher up on gm's ladder about your problem,
and explain to them you run a business with gm trucks, and let them know
you'll be using fords from now on if they dont help you.
hope this helps
matt
News Skimmer - 18 Oct 2006 02:40 GMT
Okay, there is a lot to talk about here but I'll just limit my self to some
suggestions.
*"diesel contains some oil...." okay diesel is oil actually...and so are
gasoline, kerosene, and the mother's wheel polish that is 100% distillate.
But that doesn't mean they can properly separate and lubricate a
hydrodynamic bearing.
*Your manual states the engine oil should meet API SF/SD/CC yadda yadda
characteristics. Have them show you where diesel meets this spec.
*Your manual also states a certain oil viscosity requirement based on
driving conditions, temp, whatever. There are many credible sites where you
can find the viscosity of diesel and compare it to the viscosity
requirements and show that diesel will ruin your engine. You could likely
just prorate the volume with diesel and determine what volume fraction would
thin the oil to its limit. Wouldn't take much.
*Perhaps repairing your engine would cost less than a new one. You are
closer to that than me. Suggest if you pay for a new one, keep the old one
for evidence in court.
*Better yet, apply the money to a new truck keep yours in its current
condition for evidence.
*Calling and calling will get you nothing. Your only prayer here is to call
the state AG office. You could tell this story at the stock holder
convention and they will happily smile while they turn you down. The
difference to them is over 30K i.e. paying out 15 vs taking in 15 is 30
difference.
*The way to resolve this is through legal action and perhaps some public
exposure. You need to find an attorney who will take this on his risk and
maybe offer to him everything above the 15K. Tell GM you are going for
triple indemnity or whatever your state allows...or tell them this has made
you ill and affected your sex life and your attorney is going to hammer
them.
*Tell them also that after they wrongfully terminate their mechanic for
testifying against them, your attorney will help him as well.
*A similar thing happened to a friend of mine with the infamous 5.7 intake
leak....they changed is intake gasket and forgot to change the oil after. A
month later they gave him an entire engine no charge. I think he had to buy
new plugs and fuel filter and some other crap like that to "validate" his
new warranty on the new engine.
Do not give up. And this may be another example why there are so many hard
bodies, taco's, and tundras in the parking lot at the office.
>I have a 2001 GMC Duramax truck that had the injectors fail and fill
> the motor with deisel fuel to the point where it was blowing out of the
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> Thanks in advance for your help/time.