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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / October 2006Chevy 2500HD tailgate capacity
How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I understand thast placement of the load, etc has a role, but let's say that it is placed in the middle of the tailgate. i >How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy >pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I >understand thast placement of the load, etc has a role, but let's say >that it is placed in the middle of the tailgate. > >i This is a real good question and I have seen no hard data on this. It capacity would be lower in the center than by the support cables. The limit is going to be at what point is starts to buckle. How much weight also depends on how much area it is spread over (surface loading) I would tend to think that 300 to 400lbs or so in very center of tail gate on edge when down is a good safe limit. When spread across edge of gate evenly 600 to 800 lbs or so should be safely possible. (it would become a bit stronger the closer you are to bed hinge) Some may use more weight but this is flirting with trouble. The danger is that because of the design of most tailgates it could suddenly buckle when capacity is reached rather than just bend. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy >>pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Some years have been recalled due to rust problems with the cables that support the tailgate. My '01 Chevy 3500 had a recall on the cables and before I got around to taking it in to get the new ones the weight of the tailgate broke both cables. Unless you bought the 2500 new, check to see if it is listed in the tailgate cable recall and if so replace the cables before putting weight on the tailgate. Ron >>>How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy >>>pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > it is listed in the tailgate cable recall and if so replace the cables > before putting weight on the tailgate. Yes, I bought the truck new. I can check if the cables can be smeared with marine grease, just in case. i >>>>How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy >>>>pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > 02. 5 minute job....looked at the replacements and took notice of the tag > on the cables "Made in China" ! >> I remember the day I went to the chevy dealer to have them replaced >> on my 02. 5 minute job....looked at the replacements and took notice of >> the tag on the cables "Made in China" ! Better get used to it! Ian >>> I remember the day I went to the chevy dealer to have them replaced >>> on my 02. 5 minute job....looked at the replacements and took notice of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ian Yep, that's a fact everywhere. Brian Greetings, Under normal circumstances I would agree with this, but I will add that it all depends also on whether or not your are going to drive with the load on the tailgate. For a static load I could see where Snoman's suggestions would be correct, but if you were going to drive around with a load on your tailgate I would suggest a much lower limit because the moment you hit even a small bump the weight of the load could be magnified several times (shock load) easily causing damage to the tailgate or cables that a static non-moving load would not. Frankly it would be very difficult to estimate just how much a static load would be increased by the shock of a bump - maybe as much as 3 - 5 times(?) and that could easily damage your tailgate or the cables even under a light load. Cheers - Jonathan >>How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy >>pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com >Under normal circumstances I would agree with this, but I will add that it >all depends also on whether or not your are going to drive with the load on [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >and that could easily damage your tailgate or the cables even under a light >load. A very valid point. I was assuming a static load, not in motion for reasons you suggest. I would cut those figures about in half for a load in transit. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com Half wit will be comming up with a rith-ma-tic formula to prove this. (I still think your aka is Dean Darwin or his cousin) > A very valid point. I was assuming a static load, not in motion for > reasons you suggest. I would cut those figures about in half for a > load in transit. > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com I remembered Dean being mostly anti K&N and it seems Snoman is very pro 89+ octane and thinks that solves everything. They both tend to agree stock vehicles are best so maybe you are right. I agree it's a good thing to point out bad info, but damn, this is getting ridiculous. Luckily there are still some very knowledgeable/helpful people here. my .02 > Half wit will be comming up with a rith-ma-tic formula to prove this. (I > still think your aka is Dean Darwin or his cousin) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ----------------- > > TheSnoMan.com >I remembered Dean being mostly anti K&N and it seems Snoman is very pro >89+ octane and thinks that solves everything. They both tend to agree >stock vehicles are best so maybe you are right. I agree it's a good >thing to point out bad info, but damn, this is getting ridiculous. >Luckily there are still some very knowledgeable/helpful people here. No there are narrow minded people such as yourself that believe in "magic" airfilter that actually filter air less and also beleive that 87 octane is the best thing in the world for a 9 to 1 plus engine because they lack the grey mater to understand how and why a engine works and why there is a knock control system on vehical (to keep know it alls happy running 87 octane while stealing power and MPG) YOu can believe what you want but it does not change reality or the math and science of it. Knock yourself out. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>I remembered Dean being mostly anti K&N and it seems Snoman is very pro >>89+ octane and thinks that solves everything. They both tend to agree [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > believe what you want but it does not change reality or the math and > science of it. Knock yourself out. Then we have you. A fool that can't stop himself from posting BS. You have been wrong more than you have been right. Hell your never right. You continue to post false, wrong, misleading info. Why do you continue? Do you think that your wrong answer's are actually correct? > ----------------- > TheWrong AnswerMan.com Greetings, While I don't always agree with what (or how) Snoman posts, I guess I'm going to have to stand up and say nothing he says here is BS - it's all pretty much factual if you understand basic mechanical and automotive principles. Yes, it is true that many - if not all - of the so-called "high flow" air filters flow more air because they filter less effectively and allow larger or more particles through the medium. Additionally, while factory stock air filters are generally more effective at filtering, they also flow more than enough volume of air for the entire range of RPM and load an engine will operate at. Also, in a motor with a 9:1 or higher compression ratio, using low octane (87) fuel forces the engine to retard the timing to keep it from pinging, all at a cost of both power and efficiency, namely MPG. There's no BS in that - it's a common principle of automotive mechanics. And lastly, he stood up and said that he didn't consider shock load when suggesting the weight limits for a tailgate, and I give him full props for admitting so. I've not followed - or even remotely cared about - any dispute you may have with him in the past, but I've got to say that nothing he mentions here is BS. Cheers - Jonathan >>>I remembered Dean being mostly anti K&N and it seems Snoman is very pro >>>89+ octane and thinks that solves everything. They both tend to agree [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> ----------------- >> TheWrong AnswerMan.com Jonathan, do you know anything about tailgate capacity though? You sound as though you are actually educated in automotive subjects. i > Greetings, > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> >>> TheWrong AnswerMan.com In article <aD80h.19569$UG4.17556@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > Greetings, > > While I don't always agree with what (or how) Snoman posts, I guess I'm > going to have to stand up and say nothing he says here is BS - it's all > pretty much factual if you understand basic mechanical and automotive > principles. Jonathan, Claiming that Delco Moraine design anti rattle clips are what is installed on Bendix design brake pads is BS. Deriding someone who -did- show the correct installation of above mentioned anti-rattle clips is BS. Not knowing that both GM and Ford use and install Bendix design brake pads is BS. Not knowing how a fuel pump circuit on a GM truck works is BS. Publishing wrong (excessively high) torque values is BS. Absurd claims about how and where the fuel pressure can be measured on a GM TBI is BS. Claiming that 30 weight motor oil isn't 30 weight motor oil is BS. Citing a TSB from 1983 to support the above claim is BS. Claiming that a Dodge Ram V-10 engine has a knock sensor is BS. Insisting that all one should/does need is the RPO label in the glove box to discern vehicle build options is BS. Telling others to grow up but not being man enough to admit your mistakes is BS. > Yes, it is true that many - if not all - of the so-called "high flow" air > filters flow more air because they filter less effectively and allow larger [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > all at a cost of both power and efficiency, namely MPG. There's no BS in > that - it's a common principle of automotive mechanics. Yes BS. Higher octane fuels require more barrels of crude to produce. Higher octane fuels require additional additives which sometimes prove to create toxicity problems. I also seriously doubt that Snoman has run his modified tune-up contraption thru the federal emissions test procedure to see what effects his advanced timing has on tailpipe emissions. Any idiot can pull more power from an engine by bumping the timing just like any idiot (same idiot) can blow snowflakes from his AC vents by filling the AC system with a flammable (illegal in 19 states) hydrocarbon gas. Neither is clever, both are foolish and indicate an inability to effect a proper repair within the rules and guidelines that some of us (the professionals) have to operate under. > And lastly, he stood up and said that he didn't consider shock load when > suggesting the weight limits for a tailgate, IOWs, he posted before he bothered to think a bit. No props. > and I give him full props for > admitting so. I've not followed - or even remotely cared about - any > dispute you may have with him in the past, but I've got to say that nothing > he mentions here is BS. How can you say that "nothing he posts here is BS" if you haven't been following? > >>I remembered Dean being mostly anti K&N and it seems Snoman is very pro > >>89+ octane and thinks that solves everything. They both tend to agree [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Why do you continue? Do you think that your wrong answer's are actually > correct? Roy, do you realize that this question could be posed just as equally to Charles Manson? > >I remembered Dean being mostly anti K&N and it seems Snoman is very pro > >89+ octane and thinks that solves everything. They both tend to agree [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com All I can say is; I test drive dozens of vehicles a week with a scan tool connected monitoring, recording and graphing engine parameters. It's quite rare to see an engine in knock retard that isn't caused by an underlying problem totally unrelated to gasoline octane. Your whole stance here reminds me of the guy who swallows bottle after bottle of antacids right up to the time he cacks it from a massive MCI. > Half wit will be comming up with a rith-ma-tic formula to prove this. > (I still think your aka is Dean Darwin or his cousin) I can only wish it was Dean Dardwin....I miss those days, but I will give Snoman credit....he's not particularly abusive the way that Dardwin was. Perhaps he's learned his lesson. Plus, I don't think he's in the snow removal business. He "might" be, but if you go to Dardwin's web site www.dxd.com I think he's more into computers and such. Of course that might be his wife's business. Snoman is a great substitute tho. Lots of fun to read his posts, and watch him stumble all over himself. Guys like him are what makes the automotive trade appear to be a bunch of hacks and scammers. I'd give anything to have someone like him come and work alongside of me for a month...see how they actually do in the real world of fixing vehicles everyday. Ian > > Half wit will be comming up with a rith-ma-tic formula to prove this. > > (I still think your aka is Dean Darwin or his cousin) > > I can only wish it was Dean Dardwin....I miss those days, > but I will give Snoman credit....he's not particularly abusive > the way that Dardwin was. Perhaps he's learned his lesson. Abuse comes in many forms, one need not necessarily resort to profanity to be an abusive poster. > Plus, I don't think he's in the snow removal business. He > "might" be, but if you go to Dardwin's web site www.dxd.com > I think he's more into computers and such. Of course that might > be his wife's business. Pretty sure it is his wife's business, the letters submitted from satisfied customers repeatedly reference a "Michelle" as the person in charge. > Snoman is a great substitute tho. Lots of fun to read his posts, and > watch him stumble all over himself. Especially for those who have our respective backgrounds. > Guys like him are what makes > the automotive trade appear to be a bunch of hacks and scammers. Indeed! Do we dare trust that the public at large be able to discern betwixt and between? > I'd give anything to have someone like him come and work alongside > of me for a month...see how they actually do in the real world of > fixing vehicles everyday. Could be more fun that having a tech school instructor in on an "In service day." I am surprised that there is no solid answer. The question is of obvious great importance, for example to know how heavy can be a machine that can be safely loaded using ramps and comealongs. Dynamic load (in a moving truck) is also of interes. i >I am surprised that there is no solid answer. The question is of >obvious great importance, for example to know how heavy can be a >machine that can be safely loaded using ramps and comealongs. Dynamic >load (in a moving truck) is also of interes. Welll the proper way to say for sure would be to set up a destrictive test to see where it fails at and then consider about 50% of that the everday limit. When I work in Flight Test for many years we did a lot of "destructives and non destructive testive of parts to see where they fails at and their warning signs of failure because they parts would be loaded with strain gages to record the parts reaction to stress. It was pretty interesting sometimes when you put theories and designs to test to see they work as planned ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>I am surprised that there is no solid answer. The question is of >>obvious great importance, for example to know how heavy can be a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > stress. It was pretty interesting sometimes when you put theories and > designs to test to see they work as planned You worked in a flight test?? WTF they drop ya on your head? > ----------------- > TheWrongAnswerMan.com > >>I am surprised that there is no solid answer. The question is of > >>obvious great importance, for example to know how heavy can be a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > ----------------- > > TheWrongAnswerMan.com Probably more like this: http://images.spaceref.com/news/2003/9.6.2003_05.med.jpg >You worked in a flight test?? WTF they drop ya on your head? For many years in R&D and I could tell you some stories that you would likely never believe just like other things because you have trouble accepting that someone knows something that you do not. Next time you use a GPS (if you know how to) you can thank the test wing I worked for because we did the flight tests for it in the very late 70's and early 80's when it was under the project name of NavStar. The unit you hold in your hand, that technology took up over half the cargo area of a C141 during testing. I can still tell you how it works because its theory has not changed to this day but you would not beleive that either. I worked on a lot of cool test projects that are in use today by military. Guess where the MIG that North Korean pilot defected with in early 90's went. It went to a museum when they were done with it. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > >You worked in a flight test?? WTF they drop ya on your head? > > For many years in R&D and I could tell you some stories that you would Yippie... None of this qualifies you to give automotive related advice. > likely never believe just like other things because you have trouble > accepting that someone knows something that you do not. Next time you > use a GPS (if you know how to) you can thank the test wing I worked Was that a put down? Man that was a lamest attempt at a put down I've ever seen. > for because we did the flight tests for it in the very late 70's and > early 80's when it was under the project name of NavStar. The unit you > hold in your hand, that technology took up over half the cargo area of > a C141 during testing. I can still tell you how it works because its No thanks, we can Google it and find out how it ACTUALLY works. > theory has not changed to this day but you would not beleive that > either. I worked on a lot of cool test projects that are in use today > by military. Guess where the MIG that North Korean pilot defected with > in early 90's went. It went to a museum when they were done with it. What does a mig have to do with any of this or the fact that you shouldnt be giving advice on automobiles? Man the things that you pull out of your a.s just to justify your worthless existence on the internet is astonishing. > ----------------- > TheSnoFlake.com >Yippie... None of this qualifies you to give automotive related advice. Actually it does because I have a engineering background in electrical and mechanical and even studied IC engine design theorys in college and even wrote a few papers on it. (automotive has been a hobby for nearly 40 yerars and I used to street rod when car were real cars and engines were truely awesome) I can apply knowledge, theory and experiance to real world applications because as a engineer you understand how and why thing work and if they do not you find out why. People that make comments such as your have trouble believing that anyone can truely be knowledgable in so many areas because they are not. The realy sad part is when they have a chance to learn something they attack the source rather than learn something because you can learn until the day you die unless you are too thick headed to do so because you are already a "expert" on everything. Knowledge is free you can waste it is you choose. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > >Yippie... None of this qualifies you to give automotive related advice. > > Actually it does because I have a engineering background in electrical > and mechanical and even studied IC engine design theorys in college > and even wrote a few papers on it. Exactly what is meant when you say "background?" In article <nonelson-721747.09513528102006 @newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says... > > >Yippie... None of this qualifies you to give automotive related advice. > > > > Actually it does because No...Actually it doesnt. And you prove that to us every day. > > I have a engineering background in electrical > > and mechanical and even studied IC engine design theorys in college > > and even wrote a few papers on it. > > Exactly what is meant when you say "background?" Well I can safely say my background exceeds that. Notice he makes no claim in having a degree in any of the above. I done some research and this is the most I got "I drove dump trucks in 70's as summer jobs while going to college for engineering degree and they were..." and "while pesuing a engineering degree..." Notice no claims of actually getting a degree. Not that it matters. I know people with engineering degrees and they know little if anything about cars. In article <s4p6k29mlj1adn603e2ogf6pgbhu6hmi7n@4ax.com>, admin@snoman.com says... > (automotive has been a hobby for > nearly 40 yerars Clearly your understanding of cars hasnt evolved ANY in nearly 40 years. > and I used to street rod when car were real cars and > engines were truely awesome) You mean when they were truely inefficient gas hogging coffins. Give me airbags and a LS2 anyday. Oh by the way that engine is clearly way out of your league in understanding. I think he might truly have an engineering degree....my only evidence is that he can't spell worth a sh.t. > In article <nonelson-721747.09513528102006 > @newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, nonelson@sbcglobal.net says... [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > airbags and a LS2 anyday. Oh by the way that engine is clearly way out > of your league in understanding. >>You worked in a flight test?? WTF they drop ya on your head? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > by military. Guess where the MIG that North Korean pilot defected with > in early 90's went. It went to a museum when they were done with it. Interesting. Nevertheless why don't you stick to that and leave auto and truck repair to those who have done or continue to to it. It would save you the embarassment of being constantly corrected and otherwise chastised. > TheWrong AnswerMan.com > >You worked in a flight test?? WTF they drop ya on your head? > > For many years in R&D Like R & D ever had to produce a viable product. <rolls eyes> > and I could tell you some stories that you would > likely never believe That's pretty much what we've been seeing from you. Unbelievable stuff. > just like other things because you have trouble > accepting that someone knows something that you do not. Ego gone berserk. > Next time you > use a GPS (if you know how to) you can thank the test wing I worked > for because we did the flight tests for it in the very late 70's and > early 80's when it was under the project name of NavStar. The unit you > hold in your hand, that technology took up over half the cargo area of > a C141 during testing. I think the thanks should go to the people who engineered the system down to where it doesn't need a cargo plane to move it. > I can still tell you how it works because its > theory has not changed to this day but you would not beleive that > either. And your theoretical knowledge about how GPS works has what to do with anything related to the auto/truck groups where you post, other than we now have vidiots staring at there GPS dashboard screens instead of watching where the f.ck they're going? > I worked on a lot of cool test projects that are in use today > by military. Test projects are a far cry from a working salable unit. The dumpsters around here are full of test projects. The auto repair industry is chock full of people who are good at tests but can't fix a car for sh.t. > Guess where the MIG that North Korean pilot defected with > in early 90's went. It went to a museum when they were done with it. No doubt they handed it right over to you and Al Gore. > for many years we did a lot of "destructives Why is this not surprising? Ever think of retiring? >Abuse comes in many forms, one need not necessarily resort to >profanity to be an abusive poster. This is so funny coming from you. It is your mission in life ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Abuse comes in many forms, one need not necessarily resort to >>profanity to be an abusive poster. > > This is so funny coming from you. It is your mission in life Your continued BS is abuse. > ----------------- > TheWtongAnswerMan.com > >Abuse comes in many forms, one need not necessarily resort to > >profanity to be an abusive poster. > > This is so funny coming from you. It is your mission in life > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Your mission in life seems to be related to installing the wrong brake parts. Thing is, the pride you show doing such makes you nothing more than a sociopath. >Snoman is a great substitute tho. Lots of fun to read his posts, and >watch him stumble all over himself. Guys like him are what makes >the automotive trade appear to be a bunch of hacks and scammers. You have it wrong, guys like you make it happen because when someone does know and you do not or cannot understand you attack them to make up for your own insecurity. Knock yourself out. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Snoman is a great substitute tho. Lots of fun to read his posts, and >>watch him stumble all over himself. Guys like him are what makes >>the automotive trade appear to be a bunch of hacks and scammers. > > You have it wrong, guys like you make it happen because when someone > does know As been proven time and time again, that someone sure as hell is not YOU! > and you do not or cannot understand you attack them to make > up for your own insecurity. Knock yourself out. You are constantly corrected because you post weong answer's > ----------------- > TheWrongAnswerMan.com > >Snoman is a great substitute tho. Lots of fun to read his posts, and > >watch him stumble all over himself. Guys like him are what makes [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com What you perceive to be "insecurity" is actually professionalism. No wonder you can't recognize it. > Half wit will be comming up with a rith-ma-tic formula to prove this. (I >still think your aka is Dean Darwin or his cousin) If you want to see a half wit, look in the mirror. Grow up ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >> Half wit will be comming up with a rith-ma-tic formula to prove this. (I >>still think your aka is Dean Darwin or his cousin) > > If you want to see a half wit, look in the mirror. Grow up Why not practice what you preach. Idiot! > ----------------- > TheWrongAnswerMan.com Dang it Roy.....you beat me to that obvious answer....:)) (half wit was reference to his "about in half for a load in transit. " comment to an earlier post. SJ must have taken it as a ding to his character.) Perhaps he was correct for once. >>> Half wit will be comming up with a rith-ma-tic formula to prove this. >>> (I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> ----------------- >> TheWrongAnswerMan.com > > Half wit will be comming up with a rith-ma-tic formula to prove this. (I > >still think your aka is Dean Darwin or his cousin) > > If you want to see a half wit, look in the mirror. Grow up Didn't we already talk about how part of being a grown up is the willingness to admit when you're wrong? > How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy > pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I > understand thast placement of the load, etc has a role, but let's say > that it is placed in the middle of the tailgate. > > i Let see me,brother,wifes,baby about 1000 lbs. on my 05, ain't even bent yet. James > How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy > pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I > understand thast placement of the load, etc has a role, but let's say > that it is placed in the middle of the tailgate. > > i Let see me,brother,wifes,baby about 1000 lbs. on my 05, ain't even bent yet. YMMV James > > How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy > > pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > James My friend put a 2X12 on his tailgate like a ramp and tried to get his K1000 BMW up it. It bent the tailgate. Right after it fell over:) Bent the BMW too. Al wifes? How many do you have? Maybe your brother had one too and you are just the man the rest of us are. skimmer >> How much load am I allowed to put on the tailgate of said Chevy >> pickup (lowered tailgate), does anyone have an idea, thanks. I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > James |
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