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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / October 2006

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ajeeperman@comcast.net - 27 Oct 2006 03:45 GMT
"you can please some of the people all the time
                and
you can please all the people some of the time
               but
you cannot please all the people all the time."

 so quit bickering and help out instead

  old john
aarcuda69062 - 27 Oct 2006 04:11 GMT
>  "you can please some of the people all the time
>                  and
> you can please all the people some of the time
>                 but
> you cannot please all the people all the time."

You'd never make it on flat rate.

Me.
shiden_kai - 28 Oct 2006 00:54 GMT
>  so quit bickering and help out instead
>
>   old john

We are, "old john", we are!  Guys like
snoman have to be taught.

What do you do for a living?  What would
you do if someone comes along and started
spouting obvious lies and half truthes about
area's of knowledge that you were
intimately acquainted with?  Just let it slide?
Or would you call someone on that?

Ian
ajeeperman@comcast.net - 28 Oct 2006 04:53 GMT
well bickering does not accomplish anything.
and i must say that i generally agree with most of his posts.
of course i am only 71 with 5 4x4s i run all year, so i probably need more
experience too. hehe
old john

>>  so quit bickering and help out instead
>>
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>
> Ian
Roy - 28 Oct 2006 05:00 GMT
> well bickering does not accomplish anything.
> and i must say that i generally agree with most of his posts.
> of course i am only 71 with 5 4x4s i run all year, so i probably need more
> experience too. hehe
> old john
Well, if you think the idiot is right most of the time ya haven't seemed to
have learned much in your 71 years.

>>>  so quit bickering and help out instead
>>>
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>>
>> Ian
Elbert - 28 Oct 2006 14:29 GMT
I too agree with "old John"....  all this name calling
and personal attacks help no-one.  People make mistakes,
some of the issues here are opinions, rather than statements of
fact.

At least some people take the time to answer questions and offer
advice.  Its like anything else...sometimes you ask the same question
of more than one person.

I think Snoman is right most of the time too....like I said above some
of his posts just like some of the others here are opinions based on
experience.

Are there some gaps in his advice....well most likely there are...as
is the case with most people. I take issue with some of the
information posted here but I don't resort to arguing the point in the
ground or making personal attacks of that person.

I'm no expert, and I don't represent myself as one. I ask questions
here sometimes to see what others have experienced, and to maybe
gain some insight into fixing a problem in a timely manner, or to see
what others may have done in the area of modifications.

This group is a great resource..... how about dropping the name
calling and the personal references?

>well bickering does not accomplish anything.
>and i must say that i generally agree with most of his posts.
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>>
>> Ian

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Elbert
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aarcuda69062 - 28 Oct 2006 16:59 GMT
> I'm no expert, and I don't represent myself as one.

Bingo!

Now if just one other individual here could learn to accept
himself that way.
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo - 28 Oct 2006 10:41 GMT
> Or would you call someone on that?

Of course one should, but the way you, and a couple of others, do it,
I'm starting to expect that if "Snoman" were to claim that 2+2=4, you
guys would immediately be all over him, calling him a liar, and
showering him with insults not suited for a family audience.

In my humble opinion, "Snoman" seems to be a pretty knowledgeable
fellow, who spends quite a bit of time and effort trying to help
people here -- just like yourself.  If and when he says something you
believe is wrong, or even just that you have a better answer to,
please speak out, in a civilized manner.  That idiotic rant that was
just posted, about "the abominable Snoman", just serves the opposite
purpose: it tells me that the person who posted it, and those who
cheered his action, should be treated with caution, and their advice
taken with a grain of salt.

-tih
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Don't ascribe to stupidity what can be adequately explained by ignorance.

Roy - 28 Oct 2006 13:28 GMT
>> Or would you call someone on that?
>
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> fellow, who spends quite a bit of time and effort trying to help
> people here -- just like yourself.

WOW!!! that's all I can say.

>If and when he says something you
> believe is wrong, or even just that you have a better answer to,
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> cheered his action, should be treated with caution, and their advice
> taken with a grain of salt.

Screw it Ian! Let these people police the idiot. When he hurts sombody or
screw's up they're car or truck, the people of this guy's ilk can try to
explain away the idiot's actions.

> -tih
aarcuda69062 - 28 Oct 2006 16:45 GMT
> > Or would you call someone on that?
>
> Of course one should, but the way you, and a couple of others, do it,
> I'm starting to expect that if "Snoman" were to claim that 2+2=4, you
> guys would immediately be all over him, calling him a liar, and
> showering him with insults not suited for a family audience.

First of all, we haven't done anything remotely close to calling
him a liar when/if he's posted correct information.
He's been proven wrong on numerous inaccuracies but refuses to
put his ego aside and recant.
Then again, given his track record, him saying 2+2=4 would be
highly suspect just on principle.

> In my humble opinion, "Snoman" seems to be a pretty knowledgeable
> fellow, who spends quite a bit of time and effort trying to help

Time yes.  Effort, no.  Most is outdated by decades.
(re: relating his 18 year old pick up to a current post here
regarding a 99 Suburban)

> people here -- just like yourself.  If and when he says something you
> believe is wrong, or even just that you have a better answer to,
> please speak out, in a civilized manner.  

Been there, done that.  Check the post by Doug a few days ago
regarding anti-rattle clips for a 1 ton Diesel G van with Bendix
brakes.
I posted a 100% correct answer with a link to a picture of the
clip orientation.  Snoball wasted no time jumping all over it
claiming it was wrong information.  Snoball fails in that he put
no effort into making himself aware of the various brake types
used by GM, he fails in not having read Doug's description of the
brakes he was working on, he fails in comprehension due to the
fact that I even mentioned in my reply to Doug that even though
the picture was that of a Ford brake pad with clip installed
correctly, that I was all wrong for showing a Ford brake pad. And
even though Snojob had previously answered Doug incorrectly, I
held my tongue in a civil mannner and simply provided Doug with
the information that he needed to fix his truck brakes correctly.
I say bullshit to the notion that he should be treated in a
civilized manner, his ego precedes everything that he does.

By his own admission today, he is a "hobbiest."
As a hobbiest, it would take him years, maybe decades to glean
the experience that myself and Ian and the other professionals
here see in one weeks time, and I mean that individually, not
collectively.
By his own admission, Snojob has admitted to resorting to
illegal, unsafe, dangerous backyard hack procedures to effect
certain repairs.
Being a hobbiest also tells me that Snojob has an emotional
attachment to the topics he posts most often about.  Emotion
clouds judgment.  When you mix ego, emotion and clouded judgment,
disaster is soon to follow.

> That idiotic rant that was
> just posted, about "the abominable Snoman", just serves the opposite
> purpose: it tells me that the person who posted it, and those who
> cheered his action, should be treated with caution, and their advice
> taken with a grain of salt.

When I was in school, the troublemakers, the loudmouths, the
disruptors were removed from the classroom, if they continued
their behavior, they were removed permanently. Naturally (due to
their behavior) their wrong/incomplete answers got them a failing
grade which either resulted in a repeat of the course or they
simply became dropouts.

Got no use for flunkers and dropouts.
Tom Ivar Helbekkmo - 29 Oct 2006 16:33 GMT
Thanks for the thoughtful, serious answer, "aarcuda69062".  I
appreciate it, and see where you're coming from on this issue.

-tih
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Don't ascribe to stupidity what can be adequately explained by ignorance.

shiden_kai - 28 Oct 2006 19:02 GMT
> In my humble opinion, "Snoman" seems to be a pretty knowledgeable
> fellow, who spends quite a bit of time and effort trying to help
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> cheered his action, should be treated with caution, and their advice
> taken with a grain of salt.

I'll tell you what, Tom.  Feel free to ignore anything that I post
here.  I don't have a problem with that.

Ian
 
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