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George - 03 Dec 2006 04:02 GMT
I have a 99 Silverado 4x4 with the 5.3l and automatic.  A couple of days ago
I started it in the morning and it would rev up to almost 2k then drop to
about 500.  I thought it was going to die out so I tried to keep some light
gas pedal to keep the rpm up a little.  No help at all.  The engine would
rev but wouldn't maintain a steady idle.  As it warmed up, the idle was ok
and driveability wasn't a problem.  It set codes for the SES.  I stopped at
autozone and got three codes.  P0171, P0174, and P0300.  What do I need to
do for further troubleshooting?  It seems that there is a wide range of what
it might be.  My truck has 4 o2 sensors.  Surely they can't all be bad in
one try.  Any ideas are appreciated.
KENG - 03 Dec 2006 23:43 GMT
> I have a 99 Silverado 4x4 with the 5.3l and automatic.  A couple of days ago
> I started it in the morning and it would rev up to almost 2k then drop to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> it might be.  My truck has 4 o2 sensors.  Surely they can't all be bad in
> one try.  Any ideas are appreciated.

DTC P0300 Engine Misfire Detected
Circuit Description

The Crankshaft Position sensor is mounted through the side of the engine
block at the rear of Bank 2 above the starter assembly. The Crankshaft
Position sensor works in conjunction with a 24X reluctor wheel on the
crankshaft. The reluctor wheel is inside the engine immediately in front
of the rear main bearing. The PCM provides a 12 volt power supply to the
CKP sensor as well as a ground and a signal circuit.

A misfire causes a change in crankshaft speed. The PCM times the
interval between each pulse and compares each new time interval with the
previous one in order to determine when an excessive change in
crankshaft speed has occurred. You can expect a certain amount of
acceleration/deceleration between each firing stroke, but if the
crankshaft speed changes are greater than an expected amount, the PCM
interprets this as a misfire.

The PCM uses the Crankshaft Position sensor for misfire detection and to
control spark and fueling. As the crankshaft rotates, the reluctor wheel
teeth interrupt a magnetic field produced by a magnet within the sensor.
The sensors internal circuitry detects this and produces a signal which
the PCM reads. The PCM uses this 24X signal in combination with the
Camshaft Position sensor 1X signal in order to accurately determine
crankshaft position. The PCM also calculates a 4X signal from this
information. The PCM uses the 4X signal for internal calculations. The
4X signal also provides a tach signal for any device which requires one.

Observe that as long as the PCM receives the Crankshaft Position sensor
24X signal, the engine will start. The PCM can determine top dead center
for all cylinders by using the Crankshaft Position sensor 24X signal
alone. The Camshaft Position sensor 1X signal is used by the PCM to
determine if the cylinder at top dead center is on the firing stroke, or
the exhaust stroke. The system attempts synchronization and looks for an
increase in engine speed indicating the engine started. If the PCM does
not detect an increase in engine speed, the PCM assumes it incorrectly
synchronized to the exhaust stroke and re-syncs to the opposite cam
position. A slightly longer cranking time may be a symptom of this
condition.

DTC P0171 Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 1
Circuit Description

The powertrain control module (PCM) controls a Closed Loop air/fuel
metering system in order to provide the best possible combination of
driveability, fuel economy, and emission control. The PCM monitors the
heated oxygen sensor (HO2S) signal voltage and adjusts the fuel delivery
based on the signal voltage while in Closed Loop. A change made to the
fuel delivery changes the long and short term fuel trim values. The
short term fuel trim values change rapidly in response to the HO2S
signal voltages. These changes fine tune the engine fueling. The long
term fuel trim values change in response to trends in the short term
fuel trim. The long term fuel trim makes coarse adjustments to fueling
in order to re-center and restore control to short term fuel trim. You
can use a scan tool in order to monitor the short and long term fuel
trim. The ideal fuel trim values are around 0 percent. A positive fuel
trim value indicates that the PCM is adding fuel in order to compensate
for a lean condition. A negative fuel trim value indicates that the PCM
is reducing the amount of fuel in order to compensate for a rich
condition. If the PCM detects an excessively Rich or Lean condition, the
PCM sets a diagnostic trouble code (DTC). The long term fuel trim
diagnostic parameter is an average of several of the long term speed
load learn cells which the PCM selects based on the engine speed and the
engine load.

DTC P0174 Fuel Trim System Lean Bank 2
Circuit Description

The powertrain control module (PCM) controls a Closed Loop air/fuel
metering system in order to provide the best possible combination of
driveability, fuel economy, and emission control. The PCM monitors the
heated oxygen sensor (HO2S) signal voltage and adjusts the fuel delivery
based on the signal voltage while in Closed Loop. A change made to the
fuel delivery changes the long and short term fuel trim values. The
short term fuel trim values change rapidly in response to the HO2S
signal voltages. These changes fine tune the engine fueling. The long
term fuel trim values change in response to trends in the short term
fuel trim. The long term fuel trim makes coarse adjustments to fueling
in order to re-center and restore control to short term fuel trim. You
can use a scan tool in order to monitor the short and long term fuel
trim. The ideal fuel trim values are around 0 percent. A positive fuel
trim value indicates that the PCM is adding fuel in order to compensate
for a lean condition. A negative fuel trim value indicates that the PCM
is reducing the amount of fuel in order to compensate for a rich
condition. If the PCM detects an excessively Rich or Lean condition, the
PCM sets a diagnostic trouble code (DTC). The long term fuel trim
diagnostic parameter is an average of several of the long term speed
load learn cells which the PCM selects based on the engine speed and the
engine load.

KenG
George - 04 Dec 2006 01:25 GMT
:: George wrote:
::: I have a 99 Silverado 4x4 with the 5.3l and automatic.  A couple of
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::
:: KenG

Thanks for the response.  So, I have 3 DTC's but it doesn't appear to have
any way to diagnose the trouble code.  I'm still stuck for not knowing which
part to throw at it.  The autozone guy cleared the codes and it started ok
this morning but there is probably still some fault in the system.  I
suppose I just have to wait for the code to be set again.
KENG - 04 Dec 2006 22:08 GMT
> Lots of snippage....
> ::
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> this morning but there is probably still some fault in the system.  I
> suppose I just have to wait for the code to be set again.

Excerpt from SI.
Important

Remove any debris from the PCM connector surfaces before servicing the
PCM. Inspect the PCM connector gaskets when diagnosing/replacing the
PCM. Ensure that the gaskets are installed correctly. The gaskets
prevent water intrusion into the PCM.

    * Running the vehicle out of fuel causes sufficient misfire to set
DTC P0300. A vehicle that is out of fuel may have fuel level DTCs also set.
    * A restricted fuel filter can cause sufficient misfire to set DTC
P0300. Refer to Fuel System Diagnosis .
    * Excessive vibration from sources other than the engine could
cause a misfire DTC. The following are possible sources of vibration:
          o Variable thickness brake rotor
          o Drive shaft not balanced
          o Certain rough road conditions
    * Observe, if more then one cylinder is mis-firing, the scan tool
may only display one cylinder mis-firing. This will not be apparent
until the repair is completed. Also, if an ignition coil/module ground
circuit is open for one side of the engine, the scan tool may only
display 2 or 3 cylinders mis-firing. Inspect the ground circuit for the
ignition coil/modules on the cylinder bank of the engine that has more
then one cylinder mis-firing.

Test Description

The numbers below refer to the step numbers on the diagnostic table.

   2.

      Wetting down the secondary ignition system with water from a
spray bottle may help locate damaged or deteriorated components.
Look/listen for arcing or misfiring as you apply the water.

      If the Misfire Current counters are incrementing and there is no
apparent misfire, an erratic CKP sensor signal could be the cause.
Perform the diagnostic table for DTC P0335 first if this condition is
suspected.

      If a misfire is present and you suspect a fuel control problem,
force the fuel system into Open Loop using the scan tool and allow the
engine to run for a few minutes. If this eliminates the misfire, refer
to any fuel control related DTCs which are set. If no other DTCs are
set, refer to the Engine Scan Tool Data List.

      A misfire may not be apparent at idle. The misfire may only occur
above idle under a load. Road test the vehicle and monitor the misfire
current counters.

      If more than one cylinder is misfiring, the misfire current
counters may only increment for only one cylinder. Example: Cylinders 1
and 8 are both misfiring, yet only cylinder 8 increments on the misfire
current counter.

      If one of the injector fuses is open, only two or three misfire
current counters may increment for the corresponding side of the engine.
   4.

      The cylinder with the more significant misfire may cause another
cylinders counter to increment only by a small amount.
  10.

      If the engine misfire moves with the spark plug, this is good
indication that you should replace the spark plug.
  12.

      If there are no fuel system problems, refer to
      Base Engine Misfire Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical 4.8L, 5.3L,
6.0L. An engine mechanical problem can cause a spark plug to gas foul.
Inspect for loose rockers, collapsed lifters or worn camshaft lobes.

  17.

      If the customers concern is the MIL is flashing, this indicates
that a Catalyst Misfire has occurred. Drive the vehicle in the
conditions to run the catalyst diagnostic. Refer to
      DTC P0420 Catalyst System Low Efficiency Bank 1 and/or DTC P0430
Catalyst System Low Efficiency Bank 2 .

DTC P0300 - Engine Misfire Detected

Step
   

Action
   

Value(s)
   

Yes
   

No

1
   

Did you perform the Powertrain On-Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check?
   

--
   

Go to Step 2
   

Go to Powertrain On Board Diagnostic (OBD) System Check

2

   

Important

    * You must perform the CKP System Variation Learn Procedure before
proceeding with this diagnostic table. Refer to CKP System Variation
Learn Procedure .
    * If any DTCs are set, refer to those DTCs before proceeding with
this diagnostic.
    * If any abnormal engine mechanical noise can be heard refer to
Base Engine Misfire Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L.

   1. Install the scan tool.
   2. Idle the engine.
   3. Monitor all the Misfire Current counters on the misfire data list
(There are a total of 8 counters, One counter per cylinder) using the
scan tool.

Are any of the Misfire Current counters incrementing?
   

--
   

Go to Step 4
   

Go to Step 3

3
   

   1. Turn ON the ignition leaving the engine OFF.
   2. Review the Freeze Frame and/or Failure Records data for this DTC
and observe the parameters.
   3. Turn OFF the ignition for 15 seconds.
   4. Start the engine.
   5. Operate the vehicle within the conditions required for this
diagnostic to run, and as close to the conditions recorded in Freeze
Frame/Failure Records as possible. Special operating conditions that you
need to meet before the PCM will run this diagnostic, where applicable,
are listed in Conditions for Running the DTC.
   6. Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option, the Specific DTC
option, and then enter the DTC number using the scan tool.

Does the scan tool indicate that this diagnostic failed this ignition?
   

--
   

Go to Step 4
   

Go to Diagnostic Aids

4

   

Is only one Misfire counter incrementing?
   

--
   

Go to Step 6
   

Go to Step 5

5
   

Visually/physically inspect the following items:

    * Accessory drive belt and pulleys for damage or misalignment.
Refer to Drive Belt Chirping Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical 4.8L, 5.3L,
6.0L.
    * Vacuum hoses for splits, kinks and proper connections. Refer to
Emission Hose Routing Diagram .
    * Throttle body and intake manifold for vacuum leaks
    * Crankcase ventilation valve and/or system for vacuum leaks. Refer
to Crankcase Ventilation System Description .
    * PCM grounds for being clean and secure. Refer to Ground
Distribution Schematics in Wiring Systems.
    * Inspect the Ignition Coil/Module ground circuit for an open on
the side of the engine that has more than one cylinder mis-firing. An
open ground causes all four Ignition Coil/Module to be inoperative. The
Mis-fire current counters only displays 2-3 cylinders mis-firing, not
all four cylinders.
    * Inspect that all injector harness connectors are connected to the
proper injector/cylinder
    * Check the injector and Ignition Control fuses for being open. If
you find an open fuse, locate and repair the shorted circuit. Refer to
Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.
    * Test for incorrect fuel pressure or restricted fuel flow. Refer
to Fuel System Diagnosis .
    * Inspect for a restricted exhaust. Refer to Restricted Exhaust
System Check .
    * Test for fuel contamination. Refer to
Alcohol/Contaminants-in-Fuel Diagnosis .
    * If an abnormal engine mechanical noise is heard, refer to Base
Engine Misfire Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L.

Did any of the above checks isolate a condition requiring a repair?
   

--
   

Go to Step 17
   

Go to Step 6

6
   

Important

Before disconnecting the injector harness refer to Fuel Rail Assembly
Replacement . There is a special procedure for disconnecting the fuel
injector harness connectors.

   1. Turn OFF the ignition.
   2. Disconnect the injector that corresponds to the Misfire Current
counter(s) that was incrementing.
   3. Connect the injector test lamp J 34730-405 to the injector
electrical connector.
   4. Idle the engine.

Is the injector test lamp flashing?
   

--
   

Go to Step 7
   

Go to DTC P0200 Injector Control Circuit

7
   

   1. Turn OFF the ignition.
   2. Reconnect the injector harness electrical connector.
   3. Disconnect the ignition wire(s) from the spark plug that
corresponds to the Misfire Current counter(s) that was incrementing.
Refer to Spark Plug Wire Harness Replacement in Engine Electrical.
   4. Install the spark tester J 26792 to a ground.
   5. Start the engine.

Does the spark jump the tester gap and is the spark consistent?
   

--
   

Go to Step 9
   

Go to Step 8

8
   

   1. Remove the ignition wire for the cylinder that is Mis-firing.
Refer to Spark Plug Wire Harness Replacement in Engine Electrical.
   2. Measure the resistance of the ignition wire using the DMM J 39200 .

Is the ignition wire resistance less than the specified resistance?
   

700ohms
   

Go to Electronic Ignition (EI) System Diagnosis
   

Go to Step 16

9
   

Remove the spark plug(s) from the cylinder that indicated a misfire.
Refer to Spark Plug Replacement in Engine Electrical.

Does the spark plug appear to be OK?
   

--
   

Go to Step 10
   

Go to Step 11

10

   

Important

If the Injector Coil Test Procedure checks to be OK, refer to Base
Engine Misfire Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L.

   1. Swap the suspected spark plug with another cylinder that is
operating properly. Refer to Spark Plug Replacement in Engine Electrical.
   2. Operate the vehicle under the same conditions that the misfire
occurred.

Did the misfire move with the spark plug?
   

--
   

Go to Step 15
   

Go to Fuel Injector Coil Test - Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Between
10-35 Degrees C (50-95 Degrees F)

11
   

Are the spark plugs oil or coolant fouled.
   

--
   

Go to Base Engine Misfire Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L.
   

Go to Step 12

12

   

Important

If the Fuel System checks to be OK, refer to Base Engine Misfire
Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L.

Are the spark plugs gas fouled?
   

--
   

Go to Fuel System Diagnosis
   

Go to Step 13

13
   

Important

If the Injector Coil Test Procedure checks to be OK, refer to Base
Engine Misfire Diagnosis in Engine Mechanical 4.8L, 5.3L, 6.0L.

Do the spark plugs show any signs of being cracked, worn, or improperly
gapped?
   

--
   

Go to Step 14
   

Go to Fuel Injector Coil Test - Engine Coolant Temperature (ECT) Outside
10-35 Degrees C (50-95 Degrees F)

14
   

Replace or re-gap spark plugs. Refer to Spark Plug Replacement in Engine
Electrical. If an improper gap is found, be sure to re-gap spark plugs
using a wire type gauge.

Is the action complete?
   

--
   

Go to Step 17
   

--

15
   

Replace the faulty spark plug(s). Refer to Spark Plug Replacement in
Engine Electrical.

Is the action complete?
   

--
   

Go to Step 17
   

--

16
   

Replace the faulty ignition wire(s). Refer to Spark Plug Wire Harness
Replacement in Engine Electrical.

Is the action complete?
   

--
   

Go to Step 17
   

--

17

   

Was the customers concern that the MIL was flashing?
   

--
   

Go to DTC P0420 Catalyst System Low Efficiency Bank 1 or DTC P0430
Catalyst System Low Efficiency Bank 2 .
   

Go to Step 18

18
   

   1. Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Clear DTC
Information option using the scan tool.
   2. Idle the engine at the normal operating temperature.
   3. Select the Diagnostic Trouble Code (DTC) option and the Specific
DTC option, then enter the DTC number using the scan tool.
   4. Operate the vehicle within the Conditions for Running the DTC as
specified in the supporting text, if applicable.

Does the scan tool indicate that this test ran and passed?
   

--
   

Go to Step 19
   

Go to Step 2

19
   

Select the Capture Info option and the Review Info option using the scan
tool.

Does the scan tool display any DTCs that you have not diagnosed?
   

--
   

Go to the applicable DTC table
   

System OK
 
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