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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / September 2008Most Big Suv/Truck owners deserve what they're they're paying at the gas pump
They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots even when they're parked with nobody in them. SUVs and Trucks aren't any safer than cars as death rates and crash tests prove, SUVs and Trucks are only good at hurting the people more and killing more of the people who get hit by the SUV or Truck, and not any better at protecting the people inside the SUV or Truck. The only people who should use SUVs or Large trucks are people who have a legit reason like towing a boat, horse trailer, job requirement, going on a African Safari, etc. All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks just to "look cool" when they should have really bought a station wagon to fit all their needs deserve ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE PUMP. If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a fuel efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can fill up your SUV may still be alive. so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY AMERICAN or you are part of the problem old john 1999 chevrolet Tahoe Hello, Sal! You wrote on Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:16:30 -0700 (PDT): S> They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they S> always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots S> even when they're parked with nobody in them. S> SUVs and Trucks aren't any safer than cars as death rates and crash S> tests prove, SUVs and Trucks are only good at hurting the people more S> and killing more of the people who get hit by the SUV or Truck, and S> not any better at protecting the people inside the SUV or Truck. The S> only people who should use SUVs or Large trucks are people who have a S> legit reason like towing a boat, horse trailer, job requirement, going S> on a African Safari, etc. All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks S> just to "look cool" when they should have really bought a station S> wagon to fit all their needs deserve ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE S> PUMP. S> If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a S> fuel efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station S> wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can S> fill up your SUV may still be alive. With best regards, ajeeperman@comcast.net. E-mail: ajeeperman@comcast.net > so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY > AMERICAN or you are part of the problem [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > With best regards, ajeeperman@comcast.net. E-mail: ajeeperman@comcast.net I used to always drive GM and Ford cars and pickups, including a couple of corvettes. Then years ago one time due to a wreck and limited funds I wound up driving a used Datsun. I saved enough on gas to make the payments on it and that caught my attention but I sold it for what I paid after a few months and went back to a big Chevy. Gas went up (this was in the late 70's) and I bought a used Toyota because it had a working air conditioner. I noticed the monthly gasoline bill was half what it was, which was 150 bucks from 300 at the time and that Toyota just ran and ran. I'd planned on keeping it till it quit, but it never did quit and I finally sold it when I got a newer one. I've been pretty much sold on Hondas and Toyotas every since. I'm retired now, and a lot of the early retirement was due to the low cost per mile of the cars I drove which were mostly good used Toyotas and Hondas. I drove a lot and was paid mileage and over 25 years of lots of driving it added up. Tuesday I took my mom to the doctor and I drove about 400 miles in my 98 Toyota Tuesday using the AC the whole time, I filled it up yesterday for 40 bucks with gas at 3.77/gal. So do what you want, drive what you want, but sometime figure the actual cost per mile of your status symbol and if it's worth it to you, go for it. I choose to save the money, and use it for other things. "Moe" ... >> so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY >> AMERICAN or you are part of the problem [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > cost per mile of your status symbol and if it's worth it to you, go for > it. I choose to save the money, and use it for other things. Here we go with the "unpatriotic" whine. First of all, many Toyotas sold here are also *made* here. Secondly, if I have to choose between keeping U.S. autoworkers employed, vs. keeping my own job, since my car will always be working, and not cost me a fortune to drive, as well as maintain (not in and out of the shop all the time), then I tend to choose keeping *my* job. Having said that, I certainly do feel sorry for the working-class autoworkers, but it wasn't *me* who screwed them, anyway. It was their employers. They kept churning out gigantic (though well-made) vehicles, and ignored the small-car market, by churning out crappy "economy" cars. There was nothing economical about those things, except the occasional good gas mileage in the really tiny ones. That aside, the upkeep on the economy-class domestic cars is what totally sucked. My friends were car-less so many times, due to breakdowns of one kind or another. Toyota (and other mainly small-car manufacturers) were in the right place at the right time. Simple, yet tragic at the same time. Though, if I were in the market for a large vehicle, I'd most probably go domestic. They clearly seem to be superior in that category. Natalie, Air Force veteran, active duty Air Force wife, so yeah, patriotic. :-P > First of all, many Toyotas sold here are also *made* here. And the $$ goes back to Japan regardless of where it's made...... "Topp@Work" ... > "Wickeddoll®" ... > >> First of all, many Toyotas sold here are also *made* here. > > And the $$ goes back to Japan regardless of where it's made...... But the paycheck goes to the US workers, so I'm not "putting people out of work" :-P I made several other points, which I see you conveniently snipped out. That speaks volumes. Natalie > "Topp@Work" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But the paycheck goes to the US workers, so I'm not "putting people > out of work" :-P AND company taxes get paid here in the US.(same for workers payroll taxes.) US cars made in Mexico or Canada,whole or in part,have that money get spent in those countries,not the US. > I made several other points, which I see you conveniently snipped out. > > That speaks volumes. > > Natalie It would not surprise me to find that Hondas have higher domestic content than the domestic brands.I know they make their engines in Ohio,buy most components locally.  SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > "Topp@Work" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Natalie Facts are so annoying to some people. Detroit-worshippers love to babble about people being put out of work. But, I owned a Ford in the late 1970s, and that car did its best to put ME out of work. There's a limit to how many times a boss is willing to hear that you can't get to work because your car broke down again for reasons having nothing to do with how carefully you operated and maintained it. My sister's late 70s Buick fried two transmissions in the first 120K miles, despite good maintenance and careful driving. Another car that tried to put its owner out of work... 1982 Tercel: 220K miles and my mechanic used to say "This car apparently never ages." No telling how far it might've gone if some drunk hadn't slammed into the back of it. "JoeSpareBedroom" ... > "Wickeddoll®"... >> "Topp@Work" ... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > never ages." No telling how far it might've gone if some drunk hadn't > slammed into the back of it. Yup. You don't see any late-model Toyotas on the back of wreckers, unless they've been totaled, or has a nasty flat. You occasionally see early models on the hook....very rarely, but occasionally. I think Ford is getting way better, but it may be too late to win back consumer confidence in their smaller vehicles. I hope not. Natalie > "JoeSpareBedroom" ... >> "Wickeddoll®"... [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Natalie My 92 Taurus wasn't bad, except for the fusible link they located down near road level, with a cheesy plastic cover that did nothing to protect the thing from salt. One day, dead car. $50 to tow it, but luckily, my mechanic decided to redesign the thing using his own materials, so the repair was cheap. Still, though, if that had happened in the middle of nowhere... >My 92 Taurus wasn't bad, except for the fusible link they located down near >road level, with a cheesy plastic cover that did nothing to protect the >thing from salt. One day, dead car. $50 to tow it, but luckily, my mechanic >decided to redesign the thing using his own materials, so the repair was >cheap. Still, though, if that had happened in the middle of nowhere... And except for the tranny failures that 50% of Taurus had at 70K miles... or had they corrected those by '92? :-) >>My 92 Taurus wasn't bad, except for the fusible link they located down >>near [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > And except for the tranny failures that 50% of Taurus had at 70K > miles... or had they corrected those by '92? :-) I bought mine used in 1999 with 80K miles and drove it until about 200K, towing a 1000 lb boat each summer. No tranny problems. > "Topp@Work" ... > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > That speaks volumes. No it means I possible agree with them, or not..... "Topp@Work" ... > "Wickeddoll®" >> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > No it means I possible agree with them, or not..... Thanks - that makes your position as clear as snot. Natalie > First of all, many Toyotas sold here are also *made* here. Correction, "assembled" here. "darden25" ... >> First of all, many Toyotas sold here are also *made* here. > > Correction, "assembled" here. And who assembles them? AMERICANS. Natalie > so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY > AMERICAN or you are part of the problem [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > S> wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can > S> fill up your SUV may still be alive. Sorry, missed the original post. You are a total moron. Iraq is about terrorism. Saddam not only trained terrorists, but also paid rewards to families of suicide bombers. He threatened other countries and continued clandestine weapons development. When the UN inspected sites, files had been removed before their arrival. Saddam was mad, but like Hitler, not stupid. The UN on the other hand . . . told Saddam where they were going to inspect days before the inspection. How many criminals would be caught if the judges required a waiting period and advanced notice for serving papers and drug raids? Talk about STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > With best regards, ajeeperman@comcast.net. E-mail: ajeeperman@comcast.net > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >You are a total moron. Iraq is about terrorism. FWIW......... Cheney/Bush have changed the reasoning many many times to suite their reputation.....WMD, then Nukes, then Freeing Iraqis, then bringing Democracy to the Area, then Fighting Al Qaeda (which wasn't even there before the Cheney/Bush fiasco), then Fighting Iran Insurgents. When one doesn't pass the smell test, they just come up with another one. And Saadam wasn't by far the worst Dictator at the time...... Did Cheney/Bush just throw a dart against a map of Dictators and hit one that just happened to be down on the list of the worst? Not Likely! And you might be interested in the Massive War Profiteering that is going on and who has/had direct ties to the companies awarded the NO BID contracts to reap the profits of this fiasco..... or YOU might NOT be interested.. This whole thing stinks to High Heaven. >Saddam not only trained >terrorists, but also paid rewards to families of suicide bombers. He [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Might want to read the Iraq Study Group Report..... or YOU might NOT want to.. Saadam was hated by the Militant Muslim Groups/Countries, and barely tolerated by the rest... He never towed their Religious line. He wasn't in collusion with any of them. Cheney/Bush have gotten us into a giant oozing mess with no easy or quick way out. We broke it we not have to figure out how to fix it!! While they skulk back to Texas & Nebraska wiping their hands of the whole mess and leaving the next to clean up their mess! Shameful, utterly Shameful... > > >>With best regards, ajeeperman@comcast.net. E-mail: ajeeperman@comcast.net >> SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson > Might want to read the Iraq Study Group Report..... or YOU might NOT want > to.. That would mean becoming acquainted with actual facts. Don't be silly. > Cheney/Bush have gotten us into a giant oozing mess with no easy or > quick way out. > We broke it we not have to figure out how to fix it!! <Should Read:> "...NOW we have to figure out how to fix it!" > While they skulk back to Texas > & Nebraska wiping their hands of the whole mess and leaving the next [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>>With best regards, ajeeperman@comcast.net. E-mail: ajeeperman@comcast.net >>> SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson > >>so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY > >>AMERICAN or you are part of the problem [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I couldn't agree more. But Cheney and Bush do have a "way out"..........."It's not our problem, anymore" get a clue Hal and stop cross-posting, off-topic to groups that don't give a rats a.s about your topic. this is cross-posted back only to locate clueless Hal! no real need for another of your off-topic, cross-posted, clueless responses Hal.... <plonk> ================= "Hal" <headseyewin@earthlink.net> cross-posted off-tpocs in message >---snip the cross-posted, off-topic bull sh.t--- Path: border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!postnews.google.com!2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Hal <headseyewin@earthlink.net> Newsgroups: alt.autos.4x4.chevy-trucks,alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.nissan,alt.autos.corvette Subject: Re: Most Big Suv/Truck owners deserve what they're they're paying at the gas pump Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Lines: 108 Message-ID: <74860337-8c27-48b0-a7ec-d5b2afded169@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com> References: <f8f5aadb-455a-4289-9fe1-9e942f98dd57@l42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> <KJudnXFe-frz49rVnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@comcast.com> <d54bjxbmojhl$.1smuv3bgp19jg$.dlg@40tude.net> <McV1k.3603$t07.2273@newsfe22.lga> NNTP-Posting-Host: 66.245.34.165 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1212939912 28297 127.0.0.1 (8 Jun 2008 15:45:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 15:45:12 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: 2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com; posting-host=66.245.34.165; posting-account=oIcIUwoAAAAcuAW_ufhDoUQKip-k33Nx User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe) Bytes: 5830 Xref: number1.nntp.dca.giganews.com alt.autos.4x4.chevy-trucks:89027 alt.autos.toyota:521595 alt.autos.nissan:164369 alt.autos.corvette:222109 > ...Cheney/Bush have gotten us into a giant oozing mess with no easy or > quick way out. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > clean up their mess! > Shameful, utterly Shameful... The final outcome is not known, and nothing you can say today can determine the outcome. We still aren't done. Rail all you want, but you don't know the outcome and what the ultimate judgement of history will be. You can deny that progress is being made, and I'm sure you can come up with all sorts of examples to the contrary, but it in fact is. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') > You can deny that progress is being made, and I'm sure you can > come up with all sorts of examples to the contrary, but it in fact is. Define progress. Also, how that definition might be applied to your argument. Thanks, David >> ...Cheney/Bush have gotten us into a giant oozing mess with no easy >> or quick way out. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The final outcome is not known, and nothing you can say today can > determine the outcome. We still aren't done. I also feel we broke it, so we have to try everything within reason to give the Iraqi people a half a chance. > Rail all you want, but you don't know the outcome and what the > ultimate judgement of history will be. You can deny that progress is > being made, and I'm sure you can come up with all sorts of examples to > the contrary, but it in fact is. Like David said..... define progress. If we put the country 100 steps back, gaining 5 steps isn't much progress. Still 95 steps down... Plus some of the progress the Bush Admin tout, is the insurgents just walking away to fight another day. They have done this enemas several times. > Bill Putney > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > address with the letter 'x') SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson > Like David said..... define progress. If we put the country 100 steps > back, gaining 5 steps isn't much progress. > Still 95 steps down... Plus some of the progress the Bush Admin tout, is > the insurgents just walking away > to fight another day. They have done this enemas several times. "enemas" ???? > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > LOL En Mass .................... SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove -SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson >> >>> Like David said..... define progress. If we put the country 100 steps [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > LOL En Mass .................... Enemas: "With friends like you, who needs enemas" (from the movie "Short Circuit"). Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') S> If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a S> fuel efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station S> wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can S> fill up your SUV may still be alive. > Sorry, missed the original post. > > You are a total moron. Iraq is about terrorism. Not until we invaded in 2003. > Saddam not only trained terrorists, No, he didn't. > but also paid rewards to families of suicide bombers. He didn't instigate any of the suicide bombings, and none of the bombings was against the US. > He threatened other countries Many dogs bark loudly but are harmless, chained down, and fenced in. > and continued clandestine weapons development. Not since the end of the Gulf War, except for some very minor work that was knocked out by Clinton's Operation Desert Fox (Wikipedia it to see what it was about) or that turned out to be legal according to UN rules. > When the UN inspected sites, files had been removed before their arrival. Not really. Iraq sent tons of documents to the UN, and they turned out to be accurate, not only according to the UN weapons inspectors but also the US weapons search that cost a total of $600 million. > Saddam was mad, but like Hitler, not stupid. The UN on the other hand . . > told Saddam where they were going to inspect days before the inspection. > How many criminals would be caught if the judges required a waiting period > and advanced notice for serving papers and drug raids? Talk about > STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In reality the UN inspectors would suddenly change their venue at the last moment, and Saddam had problems hiding from them, and our own weapons inspectors later agreed with the UN's findings. But the major reason why weapons weren't found in 2002-2003 was because it turned out that Saddam, fearful of US attack, had obeyed UN mandates and already destroyed his stockpile. Remember, GW Bush himself has said that no WMDs have been found in Iraq, and none of the insurgents in Iraq have used any WMDs, except homemade ones (i.e., blowing up tanker trucks full of chlorine). OTOH tons of conventional munitions that had definitely been part of Saddam's stockpile have been used by them. You need to check some reputable sources of information about Iraq, like Thomas Rick's FIASCO or these Frontline documentaries: www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/terror/ Where have you been getting your information? I agree - buy American - there are fuel efficient cars out there. Even flex fuel > so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY > AMERICAN or you are part of the problem [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > With best regards, ajeeperman@comcast.net. E-mail: ajeeperman@comcast.net > I agree - buy American - there are fuel efficient cars out there. Even > flex fuel Buy U.S.A. built cars, not American nameplate cars built outside the U.S.. The Corolla is built in a UAW plant in California. Good choice for those that want a quality small car that's actually built in the U.S., not Mexico or Canada. >> I agree - buy American - there are fuel efficient cars out there. >> Even flex fuel [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that want a quality small car that's actually built in the U.S., not > Mexico or Canada. For GM, you can see which vehicles are built in which factory at "http://www.gminsidenews.com/index.php?page=factory_guide" For Ford, see "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ford_factories". They recently announced that their new sub-compact, the Fiesta, will be built in Mexico. Signaturehttp://www.wegrokspock.net >I agree - buy American - there are fuel efficient cars out there. Even >flex fuel [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> With best regards, ajeeperman@comcast.net. E-mail: >> ajeeperman@comcast.net "Bob Drake" ... >I agree - buy American - there are fuel efficient cars out there. Even >flex fuel *snip* Sure, NOW. They should have been doing what they're doing now, at least 20 years ago. Natalie On Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:49:35 -0700, ajeeperman wrote: > so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY > AMERICAN or you are part of the problem old john > 1999 chevrolet Tahoe GM especially keeps missing the mark at what people want. > Hello, Sal! > You wrote on Wed, 4 Jun 2008 22:16:30 -0700 (PDT): [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > With best regards, ajeeperman@comcast.net. E-mail: > ajeeperman@comcast.net > so drive your foreign little car and wish the economy was better. BUY > AMERICAN or you are part of the problem Define "American". Fact is,many "foreign" autos have more US content than many "domestic" autos.Many "domestic" autos are actually made in Canada and Mexico(but allowed to be considered "domestic"),both FOREIGN countries where American workers are not being paid salaries that get spent IN America. OTOH,most Hondas have a very high US content,other "foreign" automakers build their cars and trucks right here in the US,paying US workers who spend their money here in the US. And US buyers get better autos by buying such "foreign" cars. US autos and light trucks have been shoddy for many years.For many years,they were far behind in quality,fuel mileage,emissions,used OLD technology. and then did US auto companies COMPETE and make their cars better? No,they tried to block out the "foreign" autos and still sell us the same old crap. Only after that failing and them taking a BEATING in the market did they begin to turn things around. > old john > 1999 chevrolet Tahoe SignatureJim Yanik jyanik at kua.net > All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks just to "look cool" when they > should have really bought a station wagon to fit all their needs deserve > ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE PUMP. The problem with this is they are causing us all pain, since these large vehicles increase demand. We all pay for gas used (or over used) by these things. > If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a fuel > efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station wagon > instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can fill up > your SUV may still be alive. Not necessarily. The "blood for oil" thing never really paid off, did it? > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Not necessarily. The "blood for oil" thing never really paid off, did it? > No kidding...... Cheney/Bush even screwed that up! <shakes head> > SignatureRic Seyler Online Racing: RicSeyler GPL Handicap 6.35 ricseyler@SPAMgulf.net http://www.pcola.gulf.net/~ricseyler remove –SPAM- from email address -------------------------------------- "Homer no function beer well without." - H.J. Simpson >>>If all those people who bought SUVs to look cool who only needed a fuel >>>efficient station wagon or their needs had bought the station wagon [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > No kidding...... Cheney/Bush even screwed that up! <shakes head> Not *QUITE* what I had in mind, but I guess if it works for 'ya... ;) Clinton lost. Get over it. > They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they > always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can > fill up your SUV may still be alive. > They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they > always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can > fill up your SUV may still be alive. troll Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they > always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can > fill up your SUV may still be alive. REPLY: Part of the freedom of this country is to drive whatever you like so long as you put it on the road legally, keep your insurance on it up to date, and drive it responsibly in a safe manner. If someone desires a big SUV or TRUCK then its thier perogative ; I , as others in here, enjoy Corvettes and frankly I dont care if gasoline goes to $10 per gallon as ill still drive my 1970 big block on weekends and continue to rack up approx. 1,000 miles on it per year. Im always chuckle when someone asks me what sort of gas mileage i get with it ; I tell them i didnt buy it for the gas mileage . I think the very last paragraph in your post was very uncalled for and a non sequitar. > REPLY: Part of the freedom of this country is to drive whatever you > like so long as you put it on the road legally, keep your insurance on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I tell them i didnt buy it for the gas mileage . I think the very > last paragraph in your post was very uncalled for and a non sequitar. What needs to be done is to implement a system where the freedom to drive anything you want doesn't negatively affect those citizens that are more responsible. This is what other countries, specifically in Europe and Asia do. What we're seeing is prices being driven up for _everyone_ because of those that are driving the gas guzzlers driving up demand. The whole world is actually paying for the lack of investment in any kind of transit system in the U.S.. Raise the federal gas tax by $6 a gallon, and give an offsetting tax credit of $5 per gallon for x number of gallons per year, i.e. $5 per day for _one_ registered non-commercial vehicle _per_ licensed, income tax-filing, driver. They'd have to let commercial vehicles not be limited in the tax credit. The other $1 would go to high speed rail. Other than for cross-country trips, high speed rail would be much more fuel-efficient for shorter trips than airline travel is. Plus you can run the trains on electricity generated from nuclear power. We need to stop using fossil fuels for everything, just because they're cheap. I agree. Only rich people should be allowed to drive nice SUVs and such. There are entirely too many poor people driving fancy vehicles. Why stop at $6/gallon in new taxes. Let's raise the tax to $100/gallon and forget this nonsense of giving tax breaks to those who don't pay any taxes. Let them ride bicycles like they do in China. If we did that then the Interstate system would be a much more pleasant drive for those of us who could afford it. The Europeans have it right. Tax the poor until they don't drive unless they absolutely have to so the roads are safer for the rich. >> REPLY: Part of the freedom of this country is to drive whatever you >> like so long as you put it on the road legally, keep your insurance on [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >run the trains on electricity generated from nuclear power. We need to >stop using fossil fuels for everything, just because they're cheap. >> They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they >> always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I tell them i didnt buy it for the gas mileage . I think the very > last paragraph in your post was very uncalled for and a non sequitar. Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? > Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? I do 1998 C5 Red Coupe 2005 KIA Sorento Black SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >> Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? > > I do > > 1998 C5 Red Coupe > 2005 KIA Sorento Black Have you been happy with the Kia, in terms of quality? >>> Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Have you been happy with the Kia, in terms of quality? Vette http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2146595 Sorrie http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2146597 1st and formost you get what you paid for... But to answer your question yes! It makes for a nice drive with the room and the DVD player... Gas mileage sucks for being a mid-size suv... When I take it on trips I put the stock tires back on it for better gas mileage but most driving around town and short trips I have the 20's on it... Zy >> Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? > > I do > > 1998 C5 Red Coupe > 2005 KIA Sorento Black No slam on the Sorrento, but it is a truck. It get about the same mileage as my Avalanche. Dunno what a C5 is. Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org >>> Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dunno what a C5 is. C5 is a 97 thru 2004 Corvette and mine gets about 25 mpg on the highway... My Sorento sucks for gas mileage... Sorento is a mid-size classed SUV built on a truck frame... There are pics below Vette (C5) http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2146595 Sorrie http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2146597 SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >>>> Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > C5 is a 97 thru 2004 Corvette and mine gets about 25 mpg on the highway... <homer simpson mode> Doh! </homer simpson mode> I should've known that one. For some reason I was thinking of a Catepillar engine. http://ohe.cat.com/cda/layout?m=85520&x=7 > My Sorento sucks for gas mileage... > Sorento is a mid-size classed SUV built on a truck frame... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sorrie > http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2146597 Very cool! Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org I know you... From A.B.R and A.H.M SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >> -- >> www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > From A.B.R and A.H.M Oh, yeah - thought I recognized your name. How do you like the Sorrento? I almost bought one a few years back, but decided I needed a bigger truck. I had a Sedona for several years with the same engine IIRC. Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org Or take you wife and four kids with you? LOL >>> They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they >>> always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? Which Kia model are you laughing about, you silly drunk? > Or take you wife and four kids with you? LOL > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >> >> Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? Which Kia model, that can't pull your boat are asking about, you silly lefty kook drunk? > Which Kia model are you laughing about, you silly drunk? > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>> >>> Also, can you pull your boat with a Kia? GO AND f.ck YOURSELF !!! you wish you could afford one . truck owner > They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they > always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can > fill up your SUV may still be alive. > GO AND f.ck YOURSELF !!! > you wish you could afford one . [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Good luck throwing your money away on gas. With the money I saved on gas, I'm buying a Pioneer Kuro Elite 9th Generation Plasma, tv stand, a Bluray Player, and upgrading my surround sound receiver to a 7.1 channel one that does Dolby True HD and DTS HD just in time for the Olympics, whereas my older one only did DTS ES 6.1 discrete and Dolby Digital EX as its best formats. On Jun 5, 2:47 pm, "D." <wdst...@sover.net> wrote: > GO AND f.ck YOURSELF !!! > you wish you could afford one . [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Good luck throwing your money away on gas. With the money I saved on gas, I'm buying a Pioneer Kuro Elite 9th Generation Plasma, tv stand, a Bluray Player, and upgrading my surround sound receiver to a 7.1 channel one that does Dolby True HD and DTS HD just in time for the Olympics, whereas my older one only did DTS ES 6.1 discrete and Dolby Digital EX as its best formats. I hope you enjoy watching someone else live their life on your Pioneer Kuro Elite 9th Generation Plasma, tv stand, Bluray Player, and surround sound receiver 7.1 channel one that does Dolby True HD and DTS HD. I guess "Deadliest Catch" must look and sound spectacular! <rant deleted> Feel better now? I love the fact that the roads are less crowded now and generally speaking I can drive my 1 ton truck as fast and as far as I want without a Prius getting in my way.. Sometimes I get bogged down in city traffic going slower than it did a year ago. I always maintain a safe following distance, but it only slows me down for as long as it takes get past that particular town. Once back on the open road, it's 80 MPH at 10 MPG! Hell, even the cops can't afford to keep up with me - I haven't gotten a speeding ticket since the price of gas hit $3.50/gallon. > They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they > always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can > fill up your SUV may still be alive. > They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they > always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can > fill up your SUV may still be alive. I agree on some counts. A lot of soccer moms and dingbats who never get off of the paved roads have no need whatsoever for a big 4wd vehicle. If these people were driving efficient vehicles, that alone would save many many barrels of oil. Any fool that tailgates a car so that their headlights invade the vehicles interior as to make it glow like a nuclear reactor, deserves to be dragged out of the truck and thoroughly beaten. ( I have pulled over and waved in more than one idiot for an a.s whuppin, no takers yet.) I very much despise dumbass tailgaters....daytime or night. (road rage? or justifiable?, as far as Im concerned any fool that tailgates and/or behaves in an aggressive manor behind me is putting me and/or my family in mortal danger and it gets my britches in a twist every time)...dont they teach people how to drive anymore? (just for the record, I aint no rubbernecking grandpa...yet, I get on down the road) As far as the Iraq war, I just dont get how people think it was for OIL! It was to remove a vicious dictator. It was to take a fight from our doorstep, to someone else's. It was and is, a means to drastically reduce the vermin count. It is a long term strategy to stabilize a region full of religious nutjobs. Sure, no WMD's, but it still was the right thing to do, even if we used WMD's as the excuse for getting in....and my son just got back home from serving there. I am proud of him. Go Marines! I have a full size Blazer, it is dedicated boat puller. If it werent for that truck and 4WD Id still be sitting at a few boat ramps. Also own a big 3/4 HD, crew cab, 6.0, mostly a camper puller, that doesnt get much use in that area these days. Maybe once a year we will take a 2 hour drive and camp for a few days. Also the wife has a Versa, for work, and puddle jumping about, got to have an econo car when there are two gas hungry beasts in the driveway. On Jun 5, 12:16 am, Sal <jackwhite...@yahoo.com> wrote: > They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they > always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can > fill up your SUV may still be alive. I agree on some counts. A lot of soccer moms and dingbats who never get off of the paved roads have no need whatsoever for a big 4wd vehicle. If these people were driving efficient vehicles, that alone would save many many barrels of oil. Any fool that tailgates a car so that their headlights invade the vehicles interior as to make it glow like a nuclear reactor, deserves to be dragged out of the truck and thoroughly beaten. ( I have pulled over and waved in more than one idiot for an a.s whuppin, no takers yet.) I very much despise dumbass tailgaters....daytime or night. (road rage? or justifiable?, as far as Im concerned any fool that tailgates and/or behaves in an aggressive manor behind me is putting me and/or my family in mortal danger and it gets my britches in a twist every time)...dont they teach people how to drive anymore? (just for the record, I aint no rubbernecking grandpa...yet, I get on down the road) Bad drivers are not just limited to big SUV and full-sized pickups, although my impression is that people who drive them tend to push the envelope -- tailgaiting, running lights and speeding on the interstate. We have a Honda Pilot, a Civic and an Accord coupe I4. They all have their place -- but I guarantee you I use the Accord to drive the 56 round trip miles to work each day on I 75. At 32 + mpg you can see why. The wife uses the Civic around and town and the Pilot when the need arises. As far as the Iraq war, I just dont get how people think it was for OIL! It was to remove a vicious dictator. It was to take a fight from our doorstep, to someone else's. It was and is, a means to drastically reduce the vermin count. It is a long term strategy to stabilize a region full of religious nutjobs. Sure, no WMD's, but it still was the right thing to do, even if we used WMD's as the excuse for getting in....and my son just got back home from serving there. I am proud of him. Go Marines! Have a lot respect for Marines -- used to run each day with a MC 3 star when I served in the Pentagon years ago. He was 10 years older and I was hard pressed to stay with him. Now retired USAF-- too many years ago.. I have a full size Blazer, it is dedicated boat puller. If it werent for that truck and 4WD Id still be sitting at a few boat ramps. Also own a big 3/4 HD, crew cab, 6.0, mostly a camper puller, that doesnt get much use in that area these days. Maybe once a year we will take a 2 hour drive and camp for a few days. Also the wife has a Versa, for work, and puddle jumping about, got to have an econo car when there are two gas hungry beasts in the driveway. Snip > All the people who bought SUVs and Trucks > just to "look cool" when they should have really bought a station > wagon to fit all their needs deserve ALL THE PAIN THEY GET AT THE > PUMP. -------- Thats some good fishing bait you have there... I'll bite. The pursuit of happyness. There it is... real simple. Whatever floats your boat, diffrent strokes for diffrent fokes, Live and let live. I never understand ones need to berate someone for thier personal choices. HDS >They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they >always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >wagon instead, then the 4000+ soldiers who died in Iraq so you can >fill up your SUV may still be alive. You sure know how to lay it on real thick. I agree somewhat with you but not 100%. I think trucks and SUV's are safer but the drivers don't know how to drive them properly so the end result looks unsafe. I'm just glad I got rid of my 4Runner about 5 years ago. It did help us when we had some flooding and I liked being up high when driving compared to the cars I have now but other than that, I guess the cars work well for me now... certainly much better mpg's. I recall I was getting about 16/24 mpg with a 6cyl auto 4Runner and now with a 4 cyl auto Honda get around 24/34 mpg. That may not sound as good as 50mpg but it is real numbers on the road not the ideal / test track mpg's. Anyway I want gas to go up to $5.00 / gal so everyone gets mad enough to make congress and the next president do something other than talk about it. I figure they will when enough people get really mad enough. Right now I think we are still to complacent so talk is about all we can expect from them. I may have to revise my thinking and hope for $6.00 / gal to get the job done??? >>They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they >>always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > about all we can expect from them. I may have to revise my thinking > and hope for $6.00 / gal to get the job done??? We'd have to pay politicians more than the corporations which are bribing them to do nothing. To understand this statement, you need to know that I consider campaign contributions to be bribes. > >They always shine their lights into cars rear view mirrors, they > >always block other people's view and cause accidents in parking lots [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the price to $1.00 a gallon because of weak demand. The scary thing is that with all those 18 wheelers and busses on the road, the Smart Car Hybrid just doesn't seem safe enough unless EVERYONE else drove one of these 75mpg micro hybrids. That's why I'd probably get a Camry Hybrid for my next car because it's far safer than any big suv, but it gets 40 MPG in the city. The thing that makes bigger cars and SUVs less safe is that they're VERY BAD at accident avoidance. How long does it take a big SUV to stop from 60 MPH? 165 feet? An average sedan would stop in 120, and a car like a Porsche GT2 would stop in 98 feet. That's why it's NOT the biggest vehicles that have the lowest death rates. A Honda Civic has a lower death rate than a Lincoln Town car because it can stop quickly enough and manuver around accidents where as big cars and trucks like Hummer H1s, H2s, Lincoln Town Cars, Ford Excursions, etc can't avoid those accidents, and what if that accident is against an 18 wheeler or a train, the SUV's added size isn't going to help any, whereas the Civics good brakes and manuverabiliy are going to help a whole lot more.. That's why A Toyota Rav4 is actually as FAR FAR safer SUV than a Ford Excursion or Hummer H1 in actual real world driving. There are some safe SUVs, but most of the safest vehicles were midsize or larger sedans and coupes such as the Infinity G35, BMW 7 series, Audi A4/S4, Mercedes Benz E Class, Lexus ES330, etc. SUV safety is a MYTH you can easily get a car that's safer than ANY SUV for less money than that SUV. There are some SUVS that are safe, but there are MORE cars that are safe. A Car like a BMW 7 Series is a TANK and won't flip over like an SUV would. So if you feel like throwing your money away why not get that instead of an SUV. Guess what the MOST dangerous vehicle on the road is? WRONG, it's not a smart car or a mini cooper, it's the Chevy Blazer 2dr(AKA The Death Trap). Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the price to $1.00 a gallon because of weak demand. The scary thing is that with all those 18 wheelers and busses on the road, the Smart Car Hybrid just doesn't seem safe enough unless EVERYONE else drove one of these 75mpg micro hybrids. That's why I'd probably get a Camry Hybrid for my next car because it's far safer than any big suv, but it gets 40 MPG in the city. The thing that makes bigger cars and SUVs less safe is that they're VERY BAD at accident avoidance. By your reasoning, a motorcycle is safer than any car. They are much more maneuverable, and can stop much more quickly. Most of us, however, rely more on our brains so that we don't have to rely so heavily on our reflexes. Or the agility of our vehicles. Obviously, you don't. Dave > Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then > there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the > price to $1.00 a gallon because of weak demand. That's incorrect on two counts, IMHO: 1) Even if automobiles were the only use of crude oil, crude oil costs more than $42 a barrel to get of out the ground, refine, and deliver to gas stations. 2) In the US, crude oil products are used for lubricants, heating, generating electricity, moving cargo (18 wheelers, trains) and other things. The US is only about 10% of the world oil market. So, even if all cars were suddenly hybrids (or plug-in hybrids) in the US, the overall (i.e., world) demand for crude oil would not go down much. > The scary thing is > that with all those 18 wheelers and busses on the road, the Smart Car > Hybrid just doesn't seem safe enough unless EVERYONE else drove one of > these 75mpg micro hybrids. The same can be said for bigger cars (like Toyota Echos, Ford Kas and Escorts) as well as small 2-seaters, like little Triumph TRx's. However, even in countries, like those of Europe, where they have both buses and trucks and the small cars, I don't hear much about lots of deaths in the cars. > That's why I'd probably get a Camry Hybrid > for my next car because it's far safer than any big suv, but it gets [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > By your reasoning, a motorcycle is safer than any car. They are much more > maneuverable, and can stop much more quickly. What reasoning? It helps if you quote part of the old article when replying to it. > Most of us, however, rely more on our brains so that we don't have to rely > so heavily on our reflexes. Or the agility of our vehicles. > Obviously, you don't. Considering the stupid decisions people make, like having kids when they are 14 and smoking, it is clear that brains are not great at making decisions. > Dave >> Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then >> there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > >> Dave Brains are good at making decisions but the problem is that people aren't using them. Temptation and fun seem to overshadow using brains and/or good judgment. I speak from experience having raised teenagers recently and seeing their friends. >> Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then >> there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> Hybrid just doesn't seem safe enough unless EVERYONE else drove one of >> these 75mpg micro hybrids. I couldn't find anything about a Smart Car "Hybrid" that gets 75 mpg. There's a rumored all-electric version that gets whatever mpg it took to produce the juice to recharge it (10 hours for 120 mile range with a 3000W charger). There's a conventional hybrid that gets around 55 mpg: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/12/smart_crosstown.php Note in the article there are other concepts, including a hybrid diesel that supposedly gets 81 mpg. None of the above is for sale yet. The currently available gas engine Smart Car gets around 40 mpg. I was parked next to one at a local car show a few weeks back (the owner claimed it was the first one sold in the state of Indiana and we talked for quite a while) and that's what he says he's getting in real-world combined city/highway driving. http://www.greencar.com/features/smart-car/ AJM '93 40th Anniversary coupe, 6 sp (observed 16 city, 27 highway, occasional spirited driving) > I couldn't find anything about a Smart Car "Hybrid" that gets 75 mpg. > There's a rumored all-electric version that gets whatever mpg it took to > produce the juice to recharge it (10 hours for 120 mile range with a 3000W > charger). (Do you need a hybrid to get mega-mileage? Well, maybe not. Mercedes-Benz says that its new smart fortwo cdi - an 1800 pound, 106 inch long car with a top speed of 85 mph - gets nearly 80 mpg. For perspective, consider that driving this two-passenger car 10,000 miles annually requires only 16 fill-ups during the course of the year. Amazing. Plus, along the way the smart fortwo's 45-horsepower, three-cylinder diesel engine emits less carbon dioxide per mile than any current production car.) around 80 MPG http://www.greencar.com/features/smart_fortwo/ In production 2 hour total charge 120 mile range... also gas over electric over 100 mpg... http://www.aptera.com/ I still like my Vette... Maybe I can make it run on water...LOL http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=watertt SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >> I couldn't find anything about a Smart Car "Hybrid" that gets 75 mpg. >> There's a rumored all-electric version that gets whatever mpg it took to [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Maybe I can make it run on water...LOL > http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=watertt Consider too, that stupid laws sometimes get in the way fuel efficient engines. In California, the polution of a gasoline powered vehicle is measured by the amount of particulates, CO2 and NOX per mile, yet diesel engine powered vehicles are measured by those same quantaties per gallon of diesel burned. There is no way a small, efficient, diesel powered vehicle will be approved by the California Air Resources Board (CARB), despite the fact that it may produce less polution per mile as compared to the same vehicle powered by gasoline. >> Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then >> there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > What reasoning? It helps if you quote part of the old article when > replying to it. If you had followed the thread, you'd know that the first paragraph in my post "was" the quoted material. I have no idea why it wasn't identified as such. Dave >> Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then >> there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cars were suddenly hybrids (or plug-in hybrids) in the US, the overall > (i.e., world) demand for crude oil would not go down much. Don't forget that crude oil is also refined to make durable goods made with "petrochemicals" (aka plastics - a very large catagory), without which, our modern society wouldn't be possible. Could you build a computer, microwave oven, or reclining chair, without the use of petrochemicals? Sure, but they would be a lot more expensive and consume a heck of a lot more power (even the recliner would require more power to build without plastics). Could you build a car which carries two people and gets 50 MPG without petrochemicals? Probably, but it wouldn't meet today's safety standards. With time, we can replace petroleum as an energy source, but I don't think we can replace it as an ingredient in all the things we use on a daily basis. >> The scary thing is >> that with all those 18 wheelers and busses on the road, the Smart Car [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> Dave >> Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then >> there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > cars were suddenly hybrids (or plug-in hybrids) in the US, the overall > (i.e., world) demand for crude oil would not go down much. And then think of "The Graduate": "plastics"! Cathy >> The scary thing is >> that with all those 18 wheelers and busses on the road, the Smart Car [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> Dave >> 2) In the US, crude oil products are used for lubricants, heating, >> generating electricity, moving cargo (18 wheelers, trains) and other [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And then think of "The Graduate": "plastics"! Plastics can be easily synthesized. Live anywhere near Selkirk or Waterford? >>> 2) In the US, crude oil products are used for lubricants, heating, >>> generating electricity, moving cargo (18 wheelers, trains) and other [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Plastics can be easily synthesized. Live anywhere near Selkirk or > Waterford? What would be the raw ingredients? Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') >>>> 2) In the US, crude oil products are used for lubricants, heating, >>>> generating electricity, moving cargo (18 wheelers, trains) and other [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > What would be the raw ingredients? Well, I was a tech support guy helping people with their computers. All that chemical stuff throws me, and GE probably has some patents they wouldn't want divulged...if I knew anything. All I really know for sure is that in order to make Lexan, you need fosgene gas, and they put it smack in the middle of the narrow end of Tornado Alley... >>> Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then >>> there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Cathy Koo Koo Katchu... Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') >>>> Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then >>>> there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Koo Koo Katchu... ;-) "Mrs. Robinson" was originally "Mrs. Roosevelt" (as in Eleanor) - the song had already been started, but was changed in mid-writing for the movie. Cathy > > Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then > > there'd be so much excess gasoline, that they'd have to reduce the [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Look at the Crash Test Ratings for a Camry vs any SUV dude. How many SUVs have a 10% or less chance of a rollover in a crash? http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/safercar/menuitem.db847bd57e3dc1f885dfc38c35 a67789/?vgnextoid=c95df2905bf54110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=653 http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=686 Sal, get a real world clue. If your Camry has a head-on with my Yukon, I'm glad I'm driving the Yukon. Regards, JR Apologies for cross posting this crap to the truck groups. On Jun 10, 10:45 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hairy wrote: > > Well, if everyone else drove the new 2009 Smart Car Hybrid, then [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Look at the Crash Test Ratings for a Camry vs any SUV dude. How many SUVs have a 10% or less chance of a rollover in a crash? http://www.safercar.gov/portal/site/safercar/menuitem.db847bd57e3dc1f885dfc38c35 a67789/?vgnextoid=c95df2905bf54110VgnVCM1000002fd17898RCRD http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=653 http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=686 True, but rollover accidents are among the most dangerous, according to people who actually know these things (NY State Police, for instance). > Sal, get a real world clue. > If your Camry has a head-on with my Yukon, I'm glad I'm driving the [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > http://www.iihs.org/ratings/rating.aspx?id=686 > Sal, get a real world clue. > If your Camry has a head-on with my Yukon, I'm glad I'm driving the Yukon. [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yukon could roll over possibly causing paralysis or death. Yukons also have an EXTREMELY HIGH death rate of 92 per million registered vehicle years. Even small cars like the Mini Cooper and Honda Civic are FAR safer than a Yukon. What SUV owners don't understand is it's NOT important how your vehicle does in a crash, it's important how the driver/passengers do in a crash. A Safe Car like a Honda Accord or Volvo S80 may be totaled in a crash, but the driver may walk away without a scratch. A Yukon or Excursion may only have moderate damage in a crash, but the driver/ passengers may have life threatening injuries. The Ford Excursion has an EXTREMELY high 115 deaths per million registered vehicle years. TINY cars such as the Toyota Echo, Volkswagen Golf, Saturn Ion, Nissan Sentra, Volkswagen Jetta, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Volvo S40, Kia Spectra, and Hyundai Elantra are FAR FAR safer than an Excursion. All those cars except the Kia Spectra and Hyundai Elantra are FAR FAR safer than a Yukon. So much for stupid theories that Big SUVs are safer, REAL WORLD ACCIDENTS DISPROVE stupid theories from SUV owners. http://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4204.pdf On Jun 14, 11:40 am, "JR" <rac...@epix.net> wrote: > Sal, get a real world clue. > If your Camry has a head-on with my Yukon, I'm glad I'm driving the Yukon. [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yukon could roll over possibly causing paralysis or death. Yukons also have an EXTREMELY HIGH death rate of 92 per million registered vehicle years. Even small cars like the Mini Cooper and Honda Civic are FAR safer than a Yukon. What SUV owners don't understand is it's NOT important how your vehicle does in a crash, it's important how the driver/passengers do in a crash. A Safe Car like a Honda Accord or Volvo S80 may be totaled in a crash, but the driver may walk away without a scratch. A Yukon or Excursion may only have moderate damage in a crash, but the driver/ passengers may have life threatening injuries. The Ford Excursion has an EXTREMELY high 115 deaths per million registered vehicle years. TINY cars such as the Toyota Echo, Volkswagen Golf, Saturn Ion, Nissan Sentra, Volkswagen Jetta, Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla, Volvo S40, Kia Spectra, and Hyundai Elantra are FAR FAR safer than an Excursion. All those cars except the Kia Spectra and Hyundai Elantra are FAR FAR safer than a Yukon. So much for stupid theories that Big SUVs are safer, REAL WORLD ACCIDENTS DISPROVE stupid theories from SUV owners. http://www.iihs.org/sr/pdfs/sr4204.pdf This is an interesting study. I wonder if you even read it. To quote from page 2. **** None of the 15 vehicles with the lowest driver death rates is |
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