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Car Forum / Chevrolet / Chevrolet Trucks / June 2008What tailgaters deserve
http://www.videosift.com/video/What-should-be-done-to-tailgaters If life was fair cops would drag tailgaters out of their cars and beat them within an inch of their lives instead of just tasering college students and beating up minorities. What would be even better is if you were in a car being driven by that limo driver from the Get Smart movie (1:14 in the trailer http://youtube.com/watch?v=RwhOiV7gVq4 ) and when the tailgaters were too close, your driver would slam on the brakes, the tailgaters would cause an accident and when your buiding with hair of a limo driver got out of the car and walked towards them, the tailgaters would need some depends real fast. I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much. After many years I drove south to Los Angeles at 55 mph. I just couldn't understand all the people and truck drivers who don't understand that the right lane is the slow lane, and they appear to punish you for being there by sitting on your tail for a bit before almost knocking your tail light off passing you. Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I think they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there. Then there are the ones waiting to take the next off-ramp. If you have to stop suddenly I'm sure that many of them would rear-end you. Any driver out there could blow a tire, hit the brakes, and swerve all over the freeway. I've seen it happen. The truck drivers are supposed to be professionals but they were playing monkey see, monkey do on those roads. I was a truck driver myself. My mission was to keep away from the cars. --- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. > I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On the > other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I think > they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there. They've not seen such a slow driver before, and it does not occur to them that you are doing 55 out of choice instead of doing 55 on the way to 70+. Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to do only 55. "Jeff Strickland" ... > "Ed Light" ... >> I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Because they expect 70+, they are slow to react to your insistance to do > only 55. Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'. Tomes Per Tomes: >Going 55 when all of the traffic is going 70 can be construed as the >infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'. After getting a ticket for going 67 on 42 South in NJ from some cop who seemed indignant about the whole thing, I tried running that road at a true 55 (the posted limit) a few times. Sheesh! A number of people were visibly upset, and some of them were actually accelerating away from me as they went down off-ramps. Heaven forbid somebody going 55 should have to exit left. Personally, I didn't feel safe and now that I've had my little snit fit, I don't intend to do it any more. A true 60, yes - that works...on that particular road. But 55? No way Jose'.  SignaturePeteCresswell > "Jeff Strickland" ... >> "Ed Light" ... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'. > Tomes It could be, but seldom is. > "Jeff Strickland" ... >> "Ed Light" ... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > infraction of 'obstructing the normal flow of traffic'. > Tomes a.sholes who go 55 when everyone else is going 70 should get the f.ck off THAT road onto a secondary highway. >> "Jeff Strickland" ... >>> "Ed Light" ... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > a.sholes who go 55 when everyone else is going 70 should get the f.ck off > THAT road onto a secondary highway. AGREEEEEEDDD (<>___..___<>) SignatureZÿRiX >>> "Jeff Strickland" ... >>>> "Ed Light" ... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > AGREEEEEEDDD (<>___..___<>) Good grief, what a bunch of numb newbies to California traffic !! Here are the rules: 1. Use of the right hand lane: Passing on the right is a long standing tradition -- Latino parents teach their kids that presence in the leftmost lanes is an invitation to a speeding ticket. Common courtesy dictates that the rightmost lane be kept open for these drivers. 2. Survival: #1 lane is a real hazard at night --it is reserved for coyotes traveling in the wrong direction with their lights turned off. You are safest in the #2 lane (which is referred to as the 'death lane' in many other states.) -- pj >>> a.sholes who go 55 when everyone else is going 70 should get the f.ck >>> off THAT road onto a secondary highway. Trucks obeying their limit are going 55. So I'm not holding anyone up. --- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. >> "Jeff Strickland" ... >>> "Ed Light" ... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >a.sholes who go 55 when everyone else is going 70 should get the f.ck off >THAT road onto a secondary highway. So people who "follow" the speed limit are a.sholes? Interesting perspective. Personally I think more Americans should learn how to drive properly. i.e. on a multilane highway, the far left hand lane is the passing lane not a "travel" lane. If you aren't passing, get the hell out of it. Big Rigs & other slower moving large vehicles should also be restricted to the right hand lane as well. If you are in the passing lane & somebody flashes their lights behind you, you should move the hell over as well. BTW -- if everybody is driving off a cliff, you going to join the lemmings as well? Signature"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks." >>> "Jeff Strickland" ... >>>> "Ed Light" ... [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > BTW -- if everybody is driving off a cliff, you going to join the > lemmings as well? You must not or have not ever drivin in LA... You MUST keep with the flow or cause a traffic jam that will last for hours causing people time and money and WILL get you shot on an LA freeway... SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >>>> "Jeff Strickland" ... >>>>> "Ed Light" ... [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > will last for hours causing people time and money and WILL > get you shot on an LA freeway... C'mon dude! We have a new distracted driving rule. No cell phones, textings, sniper rifles... ...no one gets shot in LA anymore! Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > C'mon dude! > > We have a new distracted driving rule. No cell phones, textings, sniper > rifles... > > ...no one gets shot in LA anymore! LOL SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) >> hell over as well. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > will last for hours causing people time and money and WILL > get you shot on an LA freeway... California slower VC 21654(a) "Notwithstanding the prima facie speed limits" Keep with the flow... http://www.driverightpassleft.com/laws/index.asp SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) Per ZÿRiX: >California slower VC 21654(a) "Notwithstanding the prima facie speed >limits" > >Keep with the flow... > >http://www.driverightpassleft.com/laws/index.asp I like the way they do it in Germany. Any lane except the far right, you see somebody closing, you move over. If they had to slow down, you moved too late and you'll hear about it. And *nobody* passes on the right.... Makes adherence to the first rule a lot easier... SignaturePeteCresswell > Per ZÿRiX: >>California slower VC 21654(a) "Notwithstanding the prima facie speed [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And *nobody* passes on the right.... Makes adherence to the first > rule a lot easier... Yeah, when I studied (then worked) in Germany, I really enjoyed that rule. Since I drove a POS Audi 30, there was no way I was gonna stay in the fast lane and get run over by real cars. :P Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > If you are in the passing > lane & somebody flashes their lights behind you, you should move the > hell over as well. When I flash my high beams at left lane campers they they get all pissed off and give me the finger or slam on the brakes. They don't realize that they're breaking the law and I'm not: Virginia § 46.2-842.1: "It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On AUDIBLE OR LIGHT SIGNAL, the driver of the overtaken vehicle SHALL MOVE TO THE RIGHT to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can safely do so." What's unbelievable is that you can get a drivers license without ever reading this stuff. Reading the complete vehicle code even one single time is NOT REQUIRED! Drivers Education was 99% Mothers Against Drunk Driving mandated anti-alcohol advertising. http://www.driverightpassleft.com/ "The Reverend Natural Light" ... Zombywoof wrote: > If you are in the passing > lane & somebody flashes their lights behind you, you should move the > hell over as well. When I flash my high beams at left lane campers they they get all pissed off and give me the finger or slam on the brakes. They don't realize that they're breaking the law and I'm not: Virginia § 46.2-842.1: "It shall be unlawful to fail to give way to overtaking traffic when driving a motor vehicle to the left and abreast of another motor vehicle on a divided highway. On AUDIBLE OR LIGHT SIGNAL, the driver of the overtaken vehicle SHALL MOVE TO THE RIGHT to allow the overtaking vehicle to pass as soon as the overtaken vehicle can safely do so." What's unbelievable is that you can get a drivers license without ever reading this stuff. Reading the complete vehicle code even one single time is NOT REQUIRED! Drivers Education was 99% Mothers Against Drunk Driving mandated anti-alcohol advertising. http://www.driverightpassleft.com/ __________________________________________ Nice link. I encourage everyone to check out what the rule actually is in the state that they drive in. It is not the same rule everywhere.... I do like the The Uniform Vehicle Code which states [this is lifted from the above site]: "Upon all roadways any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic ..." ** and then the site notes this: "Note that this law refers to the 'normal' speed of traffic, not the 'legal' speed of traffic. The 60 MPH driver in a 55 MPH zone where everybody else is going 65 MPH must move right. Contrast Alaska's rule, 13 AAC 002.50, allowing vehicles driving at the speed limit to use the left lane, and Colorado rev. stat. 42-4-1103, prohibiting blocking the "normal and reasonable" movement of traffic." **I note this: What bugs me is not only the left lane obstructionists, but also those that must just go to the middle lane immediately. If one is not actively passing anyone, one should be in the rightmost lane always. I would also like to know what this Uniform Vehicle Code is and what its jurisdiction is. Tomes > > "Jeff Strickland" ... > >> "Ed Light" ... [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Police should do a Rodney King on all a.shole speeders and a.shole tailgaters. It would make the roads a much safer place, reduce traffic fatalities, and reduce the price of gas worldwide by reducing demand. > a.sholes who go 55 when everyone else is going 70 should get the f.ck off > THAT road onto a secondary highway. Going so fast made you a bundle of nerves. --- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. > "Jeff Strickland" ... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > - Show quoted text - NOT when the speed limit is 55. If the speed limit is 65 or 70 then yes, but not when it's 55. "Sal" ... Tomes" wrote: > "Jeff Strickland" ... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - NOT when the speed limit is 55. If the speed limit is 65 or 70 then yes, but not when it's 55. _______________________________________ Interesting that only one poster came up with this perspective. I have personally known of one person who got a ticket for going 55 in the left lane on the Turnpike in NJ. That was 2 years ago. 'Obstructing the normal flow of traffic' was the charge as she was causing a line behind her. Also the law in NJ: 1) Illegal to pass on the right and 2) Keep right and pass left. These are selectively enforced. Tomes > "Sal" ... > Tomes" wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Interesting that only one poster came up with this perspective. The same person who started this thread as well as another one about big SUVs and ended up posting a link to a study which he thought proved that big SUVs are less safe than small cars, despite the finding of the study. He's an unhappy troll. > I have personally known of one person who got a ticket for going 55 in the > left lane on the Turnpike in NJ. That was 2 years ago. 'Obstructing the > normal flow of traffic' was the charge as she was causing a line behind > her. I remember an article in the paper when the national speed limit was set at 55MPH during the Carter administration. There were several guys in So. Cal. who were pissed off that most people continued to drive at 65-70MPH, so they got together and drove 55MPH side by side on a Los Angeles freeway. All of them, including the driver in the far right lane were cited for obstructing traffic. > Also the law in NJ: 1) Illegal to pass on the right and 2) Keep right and > pass left. These are selectively enforced. > Tomes Personally, I drive to the right, except to pass (even if I have to change lanes several times over the course of a mile), or when the freeway junction or exit I wish to take is one of the left lanes, then I speed up to match the traffic in those lanes, regardless of the posted speed limit. Also, when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of traffic in my direction of travel and someone comes up behind me, I find the first place I can to pull over and let them pass, regardless of the speed I'm driving or the posted speed limit. Courtesy and safety go both ways - don't tailgate and get out of the way of faster moving vehicles. My father taught me "you might be right, but you could be _dead_ right, too." For the sake of this thread, if some one is tailgating, yeah they are breaking the law (you may be too), but what's the harm in getting out of their way and possibly avoiding a crash? > when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of traffic in my > direction of travel and someone comes up behind me, I find the first place I > can to pull over and let them pass, regardless of the speed I'm driving or > the posted speed limit. Sometimes they're right on your tail, so you can't dodge into dirt turnouts when they suddenly come up because you might get rear ended. But if they're not, you can take the first practical turnout. --- Ed Light Better World News TV Channel: http://realnews.com Bring the Troops Home: http://bringthemhomenow.org http://antiwar.com Iraq Veterans Against the War: http://ivaw.org http://couragetoresist.org Send spam to the FTC at spam@uce.gov Thanks, robots. "Ed Light" ... >> when on a mountain road or a highway with only one lane of traffic in my >> direction of travel and someone comes up behind me, I find the first [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > turnouts when they suddenly come up because you might get rear ended. But > if they're not, you can take the first practical turnout. This makes me remember what I wanted to do a long time ago, which was to mount a camera [even a fake one] on a pedestal and have it rise up from the trunk or bumper with a sign on it saying 'TailgaterCam'. I always wondered how that would have played out... Tomes > "Ed Light" ... > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > from the trunk or bumper with a sign on it saying 'TailgaterCam'. I > always wondered how that would have played out... Tomes When I was in high school my friend was trying to race his German Ford Capri against a Dodge Challenger one night. We were right on the Dodge's butt and apparently the guy didn't like how close we were. Suddenly a bright light that had been integrated into the rear bumper lit up and blinded us enough to make my friend immediately back off and let the Dodge go. That was a very effective tailgater deterrent. Signature"Cunning and treachery shall overcome youth and skill." >> "Ed Light" ... >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > lit up and blinded us enough to make my friend immediately back off and > let the Dodge go. That was a very effective tailgater deterrent. I had a 64 Falcon with the backup lights in the center of the tail lights I put VERY bright bulbs in there and hooked them up to a toggle switch and when some a.shole would ride me I would flip the switch and they backed off... SignatureZÿRiX (¯`'..(<>..<>)..'´¯) "badgolferman" ... >> "Ed Light" ... >> > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > lit up and blinded us enough to make my friend immediately back off and > let the Dodge go. That was a very effective tailgater deterrent. Effective, yet illegal and blindingly dangerous... on 6/23/2008 8:45 PM Tomes said the following: > "Ed Light" ... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > always wondered how that would have played out... > Tomes My friend was a cop and his take home vehicle was an unmarked Ford Crown Vic with hidden EM lights and siren. Many times someone would come up right on his tail and hang there at less than a car length. My friend turned on the hidden EM lights for a second and the offender would drop back about 10 car lengths. Other times, when he was stuck in a pack and observed a driver that was in hurry and was making gestures to the cars in front of him/her, a tap on the siren calmed everyone down. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ This thread has nothing to do with any of the 4 groups that it has been displayed in. It should actually be in alt.phycologically.disturbed. The anger and hostility shown by the original poster has got to be evindent to most of you. The cross posting is screaming for attention along with the tone of his attacks on some vehicles and some people. The anger shown by him to the tailgaters only shows the pending location of the next accident. The one redeeming feature to this is for all drivers to be aware of the other driver, he may be as angry as these posts indicate. Drive to stay alive, not to get even, it won't correct this guy's misguided life. Sorry for the cross post, I'm weak like that sometimes. > This thread has nothing to do with any of the 4 groups that it > has been displayed in. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > stay alive, not to get even, it won't correct this guy's > misguided life. Thank you for your refreshingly perceptive post. Well put. Whether we like it or not, we all lead by example. John "Ed H." ... > "Tomes" ... >> "Sal" ... [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > is tailgating, yeah they are breaking the law (you may be too), but what's > the harm in getting out of their way and possibly avoiding a crash? Well put and I agree. Tomes <snip> > The same person who started this thread as well as another one about big > SUVs and ended up posting a link to a study which he thought proved that > big SUVs are less safe than small cars, despite the finding of the study. > He's an unhappy troll. Hey, let's all agree to let Sal proffer his crap and not reply to it. >> I have personally known of one person who got a ticket for going 55 in >> the left lane on the Turnpike in NJ. That was 2 years ago. 'Obstructing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I remember an article in the paper when the national speed limit was set > at 55MPH during the Carter administration. Niggle: The double-nickel was mandated by the Nixon administration in 1974 as a reaction to the oil embargo crisis of 1973. It was continued until 1987 when states were allowed to raise their limits to 65 mph on some highways . In 1995 all federal limits were repealed, allowing states to decide their own limits. AJM '93 40th Anniversary coupe, 6 sp (both tops) ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >highways . In 1995 all federal limits were repealed, allowing states to >decide their own limits. I thought that there was still some version of Population Density in the equation of setting speed limit? Did that go away in `95? Signature"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks." > I thought that there was still some version of Population Density in > the equation of setting speed limit? Did that go away in `95? http://www.iihs.org/laws/speedlimits.aspx shows the current speed limits and Utah is factoring population density for some roads. -- Ron >><snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > I thought that there was still some version of Population Density in > the equation of setting speed limit? Did that go away in `95? So far as this article says, the feds left all speed limit decisions up to states: http://www.cnn.com/US/9510/speed_limits/index.html AJM '93 40th Anniversary coupe, 6 sp (both tops) >Interesting that only one poster came up with this perspective. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >pass left. These are selectively enforced. >Tomes The lane is the key, at least in California.. You can be doing the speed limit in the left lane and if those behind you are going faster than you are, you can get ticked for either "failure to yield" or "obstructing traffic" Not sure, but again in California, I think there has to be a "slower traffic keep right" posting, but it could be a general law, such as the "Safe speed law" or whatever the proper name is.. It pretty much says that you're only allowed to drive at a speed that's safe for the conditions and can be ticketed for speeding even if under the speed limit if there's fog, snow, etc.. AFAIK, there IS a minimum speed on the freeway, in either lane, but I've never heard of it being enforced.. mac Please remove splinters before emailing >"Sal" ... >Tomes" wrote: [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >pass left. These are selectively enforced. >Tomes Selectively enforced yes, but on the NJ Turnpike highly enforced. Traffic fines for exceeding the 65mph Speed Limit are doubled on the Turnpike, and the Jersey Troopers (Ever notice their uniforms look a lot like Nazis) will give you a ticket for 68 in a heartbeat. Signature"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks." on 6/24/2008 11:59 AM Zombywoof said the following: > >> "Sal" ... [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > lot like Nazis) will give you a ticket for 68 in a heartbeat. > For some people, all police uniforms look like Nazis. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ <snip> >> Selectively enforced yes, but on the NJ Turnpike highly enforced. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >For some people, all police uniforms look like Nazis. There is always the infamous "Some People". Some look like Cowboys, other Cartoon Characters, but Jersey comes closer to the Nazi look then any other. Signature"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks." :>on 6/24/2008 11:59 AM Zombywoof said the following: :>> Selectively enforced yes, but on the NJ Turnpike highly enforced. :>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] :>> :>For some people, all police uniforms look like Nazis. You? >I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On >the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Why don't they join the other 65+ mph folks in the left lane(s)? I >think they may become disoriented surrounded by traffic out there. The problem is why don't people realize the left lane is the fast lane and stop hugging it and holding up those who want to go faster? This leaves the right lane open for passing the idiots who won't move over when they're talking on their cell phones and leaving a quarter-mile open in front of them. If you can't keep up with the traffic you should move over to the right. Your particular situation is due to the actions of others and the reaction of the drivers to your dilly-dallying is because they have grown accustomed to using the right lane for passing. On Jun 23, 6:16 am, "badgolferman" <REMOVETHISbadgolfer...@gmail.com> wrote: > >I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On > >the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > dilly-dallying is because they have grown accustomed to using the right > lane for passing. Generally speaking, you guys are right on. The left lane is the fast lane, the right is the slow lane. Use the left lane to pass, and keep up your speed till you find a sweet spot to settle into on the right lane. Anyone who drives slower than the traffic flow in the left lane should know pretty quick they are a problem, sadly they usually just think every one else is the problem. Dense. Usually some old person, or some moron on a cell phone. What I take issue with, is a.sholes who come flying up from behind and sit on you bumper, the whole time weaving back and forth, sometimes flashing their lights, when Im running at a good speed. (70-75 Interstate right lane, and 60-65 HWY) These are the people who need their a.ses kicked, and I dont figure the cops should have all the fun. I want some of that action! Teaching these pricks some manners would by public service duty. Here where I live (Tn.) we dont even have drivers ed in school. I see more dingbats driving like..well...dingbats, here than I have ever seen anywhere. I used to drive OTR, my folks were owner operators, I was driving a 13 speed when I was 12. So I have some experience to base this assesment on. Worse place that comes to mind, is Dallas and Houston rush hour traffic. Balls to the wall 80 MPH bumper to bumper, I dont miss it one bit. Somewhat off topic: HOW DO WE GET RID OF THE KNOCKOFF WATCH SPAMMERS?? >>I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On >>the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > dilly-dallying is because they have grown accustomed to using the right > lane for passing. > Somewhat off topic: HOW DO WE GET RID OF THE KNOCKOFF WATCH SPAMMERS?? "Somewhat" ????? > Somewhat off topic: HOW DO WE GET RID OF THE KNOCKOFF WATCH SPAMMERS?? Don't subscribe to usenet. If you want a moderated group, there are many available. You get what you pay for (Duh). >>>I've been living in a Northern Calif. area where nobody tailgates. On >>>the other hand, they don't stop for pedestrians very much. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> dilly-dallying is because they have grown accustomed to using the right >> lane for passing. |
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