> | It would help if the muscle cars actually had some muscle.
> |
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> That is 1-second faster to 60 than my 1967 GTO had. Seems to be plenty of
> muscle to me.
>>| It would help if the muscle cars actually had some muscle.
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> With the new GTO you can't do anything to it's engine.
You can do plenty, as the Z28 and Corvette guys have been doing it for
years. This motor makes a lot more real power than the '67 389
tri-power, with better idle and nowhere near the emissions. Any goober
can build a 500 hp motor if you don't have to worry about fuel economy,
idle quality and/or emissions.
> You also might compare the pricing. In 1967 list on the hardtop GTO was
> $2935 that is $16,652 in today's dollars, according to the CPI Inflation
> Calculator.
> The new GTO pricing is about $35,000 over double the pricing of the original
> when
> adjusted for inflation.
What could you buy a fully restored to factory specs 1967 GTO for today?
More than $16K, that's for sure. One can easily drop 20 large on a
restoration.
> I'd still take your 1967 GTO over the new one.
>
> Ted Mittelstaedt
James C. Reeves - 04 Oct 2004 01:50 GMT
| > I'd still take your 1967 GTO over the new one.
| >
| > Ted Mittelstaedt
Me too. Definitely!!
Ted Mittelstaedt - 06 Oct 2004 11:26 GMT
> > With the new GTO you can't do anything to it's engine.
>
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> can build a 500 hp motor if you don't have to worry about fuel economy,
> idle quality and/or emissions.
Rich man's toys. I can drive my '68 Torino on the street, legally, with a
goober-built
500hp motor because back in '68 we didn't have to worry about emissions
(save EGR they had that, then)
> > You also might compare the pricing. In 1967 list on the hardtop GTO was
> > $2935 that is $16,652 in today's dollars, according to the CPI Inflation
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> More than $16K, that's for sure. One can easily drop 20 large on a
> restoration.
Your missing the point. Joe-Kid today can afford a 2-3 year old car that
sold
for $16K new. It's a stretch and he will be pumping a lot of gas for a
while but
he can do it. But the only kind of cars today that meet that criteria are 4
bangers
that get turned into ricermobiles. Definitly not 2-3 year old $35K GTO's.
And
when the Joe-Kid's cannot afford the musclecars because they have been
priced
into the midlife-crisis-suffers-late-40s-men-who-have-too-much-money market,
then nobody else can either.
Once upon a time a sports car was considered just another kind of vehicle
and
it was assumed that the average person could choose one among the many
choices available. Lots of people did and used them for commutermobiles
and spent a small amount of money and got a lot of driving enjoyment during
their commutes.
Somehow the image was created that pure sports cars
wern't for the average person any longer, and so they were priced out of the
reach of most people. (I'm not talking sports sedans here which are just
wannabe sports cars) When that was done, it killed the muscle car. Today
the Corvettes and suchlike that I see rolling around aren't used for
commuter vehicles, they are second cars for people that want expensive
toys. When it comes to people not wanting to take their sports car to the
grocery store
to buy beer anymore because they are afraid it's going to get dinged, it's
a sad end to the muscle car, and it's like what's the point of owning one?
Ted