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Car Forum / Chrysler Cars / December 2004Haynes manual instructions
This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html too true! > This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: > > http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad. ---------------- Alex > >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: > >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html > > While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad. > ---------------- > Alex Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for the factory service manual. >> >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: >> >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for > the factory service manual. I'd rather not have a manual than a haynes or a chiltons... ||In article <pIwkd.176647$Np3.7105551@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, Bill 2 wrote: ||> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] || ||I'd rather not have a manual than a haynes or a chiltons... You may get your wish. Many of the manufacturers no longer offer a manual to the owner. If they do, it may be a CD for $100 or more Haynes fills a need for reasonably-priced repair information specific to your car. It is correct far more than it is wrong. I have a number of Haynes manuals and have yet to find a procedure incorrectly documented. It is true that sometimes there is not enough info to answer the questions that come up, but for the money I'll accept that. I obtain a Haynes manual for every vehicle I acquire. If I can also get a FSM, I will, but that's a backup. The Haynes gets the grease smudges. Texas Parts Guy > ||In article <pIwkd.176647$Np3.7105551@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>, Bill 2 wrote: > ||> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > will, but that's a backup. The Haynes gets the grease smudges. > Texas Parts Guy Except, after I had learned my lesson years earlier on aftermarket manuals, a few months after I bought my daughter a used car, the very first opportunity that came up for diagnosis and repair of an electrical problem, in a weak moment, I went down the street and sprung for a whole $13 for a Haynes manual. Due to a visibly hidden fuse that was not shown in the "TYPICAL" schematics of the Haynes, I ended up replacing a perfectly good factory alternator when all that was wrong was that the in-line fuse that the manual did not show had mechanically fractured. Aftermarket alt. cost $260, plus I now had an inferior aftermarket alt. in place of the factory one. FSM would have cost around $90. Tell me: Did I save any money? You do the math (13 + 260 vs. 90 + 5). BTW, I found out after the fact that, without exception, every vehicle of the span of years and model variation covered by that Haynes manual came from the factory with that fuse, and, after purchasing the FSM the next day, verified that that fuse was clearly shown in the schematics, yet the Haynes schematic was labeled "TYPICAL". Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') ||Except, after I had learned my lesson years earlier on aftermarket ||manuals, a few months after I bought my daughter a used car, the very [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] ||perfectly good factory alternator when all that was wrong was that the ||in-line fuse that the manual did not show had mechanically fractured. With all due respect, that's just not good basic diagnostics. Every parts store worth giving your business to has an alternator tester. A quick check would have told you the problem was elsewhere. That's not excusing the omission, but there is some shared responsibility here. Haynes is advertised as a "Tuneup and repair *guide*". They do not pretend to be a substitute for the FSM, but for the money they are a good alternative, and the only company currently providing one. And yes, some Haynes books are better than others. Texas Parts Guy > ||Except, after I had learned my lesson years earlier on aftermarket > ||manuals, a few months after I bought my daughter a used car, the very [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > With all due respect, that's just not good basic diagnostics. Every parts store > worth giving your business to has an alternator tester... see below > ...A quick check would have > told you the problem was elsewhere. That's not excusing the omission, but there > is some shared responsibility here... see below > ...Haynes is advertised as a "Tuneup and repair *guide*". My primary bone of contention is that "typical" schematics are used. I make the analogy to using a map that shows hiways between New York and Philadelphia to drive from Denver to LA. To sell someone such a map for that purpose is fraudulent. There's no such thing as a schematic to be used as a "guide". It either represents the circuits of interest and is a useful troubleshooting too, or it is as worthless as that map. If it's only a guide, then leave the schematics out, because putting them in at all implies something that isn't delivered. They do not pretend > to be a substitute for the FSM, but for the money they are a good alternative, > and the only company currently providing one. And yes, some Haynes books are > better than others. > Texas Parts Guy You are correct about having it tested - in the attempt to keep my posts short (which is a problem for me anyway), I just failed to mention that - the fact is that I took it to two stores, and the standard adapters they had with their alterantor test setups would not adapt to the particular alternator (for the record it was on a '96 Mercury Mystique - for some reason, the connectors are not typical of other Ford alternators). The one store was honest about it - did their best to use alligator clips to hook it up the best they knew how - they didn't seem very confident in how to hook it up, and it failed the test - I took that with a grain of salt. Went to a competitor who had the exact same generic tester setup with the same standard adapters (that didn't fit the alternator) - their guy faked it and simply told me it failed the test. The problem turned out to be a mechanically fractured (not thermally/electircally blown) MegaFuse™. An alternator is not going to blow the same time a fuse happens to mechanically fracture. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') >> ||Except, after I had learned my lesson years earlier on aftermarket >> ||manuals, a few months after I bought my daughter a used car, the [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > thermally/electircally blown) MegaFuse™. An alternator is not going to > blow the same time a fuse happens to mechanically fracture. If I wasn't clear - that fuse was not part of or built into the alternator - it was in the hot wire going from the battery tot he alternator, and was hidden underneath the intake plenum. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') I agree 100% with Texas Parts Guy. Last year I did a Timingbelt, Waterpump, AFT replacement project around this time using Haynes. I also had a Chiltons. I found the illustrations are more clear in Haynes. Chiltons has more descriptions. Also I was posting and getting help from this news group. I will be buying a Hayens if I change my car. It may not be the most detailed manual like the Shop Manuals, but it helped me to save over $600 for a small investment of $12 (including shipping in eBay). > ||I'd rather not have a manual than a haynes or a chiltons... > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > will, but that's a backup. The Haynes gets the grease smudges. > Texas Parts Guy > I agree 100% with Texas Parts Guy. Last year I did a Timingbelt, > Waterpump, AFT replacement project around this time using Haynes. I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > it helped me to save over $600 for a small investment of $12 > (including shipping in eBay). I tried to use a Haynes on an '87 Mazda for the timing belt. Guess what - they had the illustrations and procedures for the wrong engine because the engine for that model had been changed for that year from the previous one and they didn't reflect that - was totally useless for that procedure. The FSM would not have made that mistake because it is model and year specific. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') ||sams wrote: ||> I agree 100% with Texas Parts Guy. Last year I did a Timingbelt, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] ||procedure. The FSM would not have made that mistake because it is model ||and year specific. Bill I will notify Haynes not to expect your re-order. Texas Parts Guy > ||sams wrote: > ||> I agree 100% with Texas Parts Guy. Last year I did a Timingbelt, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Bill > I will notify Haynes not to expect your re-order. Heh heh! You do that. 8^) Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') >>>This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: >>>http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for > the factory service manual. The perfect Holiday gift for someone special! ;-> >> In article >> <Pine.GSO.4.58.0411101513270.15989@alumni.engin.umich.edu>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > incomplete information that your money is better spent paying a couple > bucks more for the factory service manual. Unless you can find that factory service manual on eBay, it will cost quite a bit more than a "couple of bucks". Haynes for our '91 Integra, $20. Factory service manual, new, $200. Haynes for our '99 Tercel, $20. Factory, new, $400. I bit the bullet and bought the factory ones. The Honda manual is fabulously written and, so far, extremely precise. Well worth every penny paid for it. The Toyota one is riddled with errors and omissions, almost as bad as the Haynes. Very disappointing. When I need something important, I must get the correct information from http://techinfo.toyota.com, and they charge for it.  SignatureTeGGeR? > Unless you can find that factory service manual on eBay, it will cost > quite a bit more than a "couple of bucks". And by the way, I've got a nearly complete set of factory 1970 Ford Car Shop Manuals acquired new when my Dad bought his '70 Custom 500. The only one missing is "Volume 4, Body". Anybody got Volume 4 for sale? eBay has only one "complete set". SignatureTeGGeR? On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, TeGGer wrote: >>>> This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: >>>> http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html >>> While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad. >> Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, >> incomplete information that your money is better spent paying a couple >> bucks more for the factory service manual. > Unless you can find that factory service manual on eBay, it will cost quite > a bit more than a "couple of bucks". Only if you're stupid enough to think Ebay is the only place to find used manuals >>>>> This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: >>>>> http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Only if you're stupid enough to think Ebay is the only place to find used >manuals. Any places should know about? __________________ Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with 'mail'. N37.3 W122.0 >>Only if you're stupid enough to think Ebay is the only place to find >>used manuals. > > Any places should know about? What, you *don't know*?? You must be pretty stupid, Daniel Stern says so. SignatureTeGGeR? On Thu, 12 Nov 2004, TeGGer wrote: > Barry S. <nntp@spamsack.org> sprach > >>Only if you're stupid enough to think Ebay is the only place to find > >>used manuals. > > Any places should know about? > What, you *don't know*?? You must be pretty stupid, Daniel Stern says so. Nope, Tegger, I said YOU are acting stupid. As far as I know, Barry isn't. > >> Unless you can find that factory service manual on eBay, it will cost quite > >> a bit more than a "couple of bucks". > >Only if you're stupid enough to think Ebay is the only place to find used > >manuals. > Any places should know about? Hemmings Motor News is cram packed with auto service literature vendors. >> >> Unless you can find that factory service manual on eBay, it will cost quite >> >> a bit more than a "couple of bucks". [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Hemmings Motor News is cram packed with auto service literature vendors. I'll have to grab a copy.. I will take a Haynes manual over Chrysler's DEALER Tech Connect.. For some reason, the full factory manuals and PDF versions on CD-ROM aren't available online.. So the manual may give you a picture and say remove the 5 screws in the diagram. The online service will give you one line of text.. "Remove the 5 screws from the panel" And no picture.. Sometimes there is a picture buried in one of the other parts sections, but its sometimes not hyperlinked. __________________ Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with 'mail'. N37.3 W122.0 I have to agree. Haynes and Chilton are not detailed enough. Usually the section I need doesn't go into detail enough. Nothing replaces the factory service manuals. Whether it is GM, Chrysler, and Honda etc. If I own the vehicle I buy the manual. The last one I bought for my Cherokee Sport came from www.tenaflyjeepmoparparts.com it cost about $100.00. Dwane Glenn the parts manager gives you 30% off list on all parts. I say you will never be sorry from buying quality, buy it right the first time and never buy it again. Dave On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 >>> >> Unless you can find that factory service manual on eBay, it will cost quite >>> >> a bit more than a "couple of bucks". [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Note: To reply, replace the word 'spam' embedded in return address with 'mail'. >N37.3 W122.0 >They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete >information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for >the factory service manual. A *couple* of bucks? Obviously you have not priced any factory service manuals lately... SignatureSloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/ >>They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete >>information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Obviously you have not priced any factory service manuals lately... I bought the one for my 99 Mazda for $50, but I understand undiscounted retail is $100. $400 for Toyota I can believe, too. >>>They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete >>>information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I bought the one for my 99 Mazda for $50, but I understand > undiscounted retail is $100. $400 for Toyota I can believe, too. Does that $50 one contain all the EWDs? Toyota's $400 is Canadian dollars (about $330 US) and covers both books. SignatureTeGGeR? >>>>They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete >>>>information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Does that $50 one contain all the EWDs? I assume EWDs = wiring diagrams? Yes, it has them, though reduced in size. I believe there's a larger version of the manual that the dealers have, I don't know how much that one costs. In article <ui37p01vguncvihkoil3brhdjbvdob82iu@4ax.com>, newsgroup says: >Obviously you have not priced any factory service manuals lately. FWIW, Nissan (/Infiniti) has a service where you pay $20 and get 24 hours of access to their entire techpubs library. You then download all the .PDFs you're interested in, and save 'em to CD-ROM. I got my FX' service manual this way, ~40-odd .PDFs spread out over ~200MB. I even printed all gazillion pages in 4-up, duplex (i.e., 8 pages/ sheet) mode- while you can't really do any work in that format (when I needed to check on something, I just printed the appropriate pages normally), it's good as a guide as to where to look. But if you buy the CD, it's $200. -Kenny SignatureKenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898 In a previous posting, "Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.com> had the audacity to say: :Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete :information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for :the factory service manual. I was actually dumb enough to buy a Haynes manual once, so I actually agree with you and Dan, except for the fact that it's not a "couple" of bucks more for the factory service manual. It's more like $100 more. SignatureE.R. aka SJG aka Ricardo present location: vancouver bc canada refugee from the european union's evil bureaucracy > In a previous posting, "Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.com> had the audacity > to say: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > actually agree with you and Dan, except for the fact that it's > not a "couple" of bucks more for the factory service manual. Factor in the money you didn't waste buying wrong parts, or damaging parts following Haynes instructions, lost time following wrong procedures, repairing the hole in the wall from when you were so pissed off at the book you punched a hole in it, etc. Not typical, but I just did a quick check on Ebay for the FSM for my car and it was $5 "Buy it now" + $5 shipping. The Haynes manual bidding started at $15. New I probably bought the manual for $100-$150, and I can see when the FSM is $400 people look at other options, but I still think Haynes and Chilton's are poor options. > It's more like $100 more. And worth every penny. > I was actually dumb enough to buy a Haynes manual once, [...] I've been buying Haynes manuals for twenty years, and have had them for Toyotas (pickup, Supra), a Honda Accord, and a Mercedes. I can't recall every having a significant complaint about any of them. Maybe they've gone downhill in recent years. Geoff Signature"Bush haters feel affronted by America's failure to defer to their wisdom. [...] The election was worse than a defeat; it was a diss. All was lost, including honor." -- The Editors Of National Review >>I was actually dumb enough to buy a Haynes manual once, [...] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Geoff I think it's just some manuals cover too much. The Full Size GM one I had covered Buick, Pontiac, Olds from 1970-1990. Sure, the basic suspension design didn't change a lot in 20 years, but the fuel system sure did. (manual choke -> fuel injection.) You just can't cover both Chevy V8's (small and big block), the Pontiac V8 and an Olds V8 in any detail in 50 pages. Ray > >>I was actually dumb enough to buy a Haynes manual once, [...] > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I think it's just some manuals cover too much. That would be the main problem I've seen for both Chiltons and Haynes - Too many vehicles per book. I've got a Chiltons AND a Haynes that KINDA cover my Mazda, along with the full FSM set specific to year/model. The Chiltons covers (or perhaps I should say "tries to cover"?) 6 models and 14 years, 2.0 and 2.3 liter four-cylinder recips, and two-rotor Wankels. IN ONE VOLUME! The Haynes? Not *QUITE* as bad: 4 models, 8 years, and only looks closely at the 2.0 liter recip (with a notation that the 2.3 is "similar in most respects") and the two-rotor Wankel. Neither one of them is anywhere near as in-depth as I prefer my service information to be, glossing over WAY too many things (or totally ignoring them, like the A/C, and a huge chunk of the electrical). Of course, the FSM covers exactly one vehicle: The 1982 Mazda 626. And it covers every assembly, part, bolt, screw, etc, and does it in exhaustive detail - enough that even I wouldn't be *TOO* afraid to crack open, ferinstance, the automatic tranny (if mine had one), and I'd actually have a reasonable expectation of it working when I put it back together. SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html> for full details. > >>I was actually dumb enough to buy a Haynes manual once, [...] > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Chevy V8's (small and big block), the Pontiac V8 and an Olds V8 in any > detail in 50 pages. The main problem I've found with the Haynes books is that they often show detailed close-up photos of a certain part, but don't show enough of the surrounding portion of the engine, brakes, etc. to actually locate that part! (One such example, a very close photo of the PCV valve, but the photo doesn't show enough of the surrounding part of the engine to actually show *where* that PCV valve is actually located.) SignatureSigned, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. > "Alex Rodriguez" <adr5@columbia.edu> wrote in message > > While they are not the best choice, they are not quite that bad. > Actually yes they are. They are filled with so much incorrect, incomplete > information that your money is better spent paying a couple bucks more for > the factory service manual. The Haynes manual for my 1997 Nissan left out the torque specs for my brakes and front suspension, and they kept referring to a "torque member" but never explained what it was. It said that the fuel filter was in the rear, but it was actually in the engine compartment (and it wasn't a matter of the car having two fuel filters). The body information was for a different model (one illustration was for an early 1970s vehicle and even said "Datsun"), and the wiring diagram was labelled "typical," which is a euphemism for "completely different from your car." And when it came to information about the computer codes and fuel/emissions, the Haynes excluded almost everything, and the diagnostic charts for drivability problems seemed to be 100% generic. For example for rough idle they gave the usual hints, like spark, lean mixture, and wrong idle speed, but they mentioned nothing at all about the idle speed regulator. > The Haynes manual for my 1997 Nissan left out the torque specs for my > brakes and front suspension, and they kept referring to a "torque [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > spark, lean mixture, and wrong idle speed, but they mentioned nothing > at all about the idle speed regulator. This is what my experience has been with haynes and chiltons manuals. Almost always wrong, for some other car, some other model year, etc. No specific info. The factory manuals, even with the expense pay for themselves with a couple repairs. Nedavno Bill 2 pise: | > >This should be included with every Haynes manual sold: | > >http://u225.torque.net/haynes_instructions.html [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | incomplete information that your money is better spent paying a couple | bucks more for the factory service manual. I have 1977 Puch Maxi, and was happy to find Haynes manual for it (from 1973) on amazon.com. Never even heard about Haynes until I joined this group. I am completely disappointed with it as this seems to be a "complete idiots guide" to disassemble and assemble it's engine. OK, not quite, but I hoped for much more details. I ordered directly from haynes.co.uk manual for both my Audi and BMW. Hope they are better than this one from '73 :-) Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** Reply at: iimperl - at - ml1 - dot - net ** Highly doubtful. In fact, probably worse. Bite the bullet and get the Factory Service Manual's. > I ordered directly from haynes.co.uk manual for both my Audi and BMW. > Hope they are better than this one from '73 :-) Nedavno Mike Behnke pise: | Highly doubtful. In fact, probably worse. | | Bite the bullet and get the Factory Service Manual's. | | > I ordered directly from haynes.co.uk manual for both my Audi and | > BMW. Hope they are better than this one from '73 :-) I probably will. Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** Reply at: iimperl - at - ml1 - dot - net ** >Nedavno Mike Behnke pise: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I probably will. I think there is some *online* service, don't remember the name offhand, and they have your service manual *online.* You subscribe on an annual fee basis; something like $25 a year or some such. Can't remember the name, but, that is the way I would go. A -physical- shop manual weights 20 pounds, takes a day to put together into the binders, and is a monstrosity. And unless you're changing out the rod bearings on your pistons or something, it seems to be a *bit* of overkill for most repairs you would make as a hobbyist. Many repairs require specialized tools, and those are going to cost you a fortune, and you may only use them once. Sometimes it makes more sense to bring the dang thing into a qualified service shop. Lg > I think there is some *online* service, don't remember the name > offhand, and they have your service manual *online.* Alldata. Naw, they don't. They have *THEIR* service manual online. It contains somebody else's digest of information that comes from several sources. Many procedures are reasonably complete, others aren't. > A -physical- shop manual weights 20 pounds, takes a day to put > together into the binders, and is a monstrosity. Horseshit. A physical shop manual consists of one or a few volumes, usually totalling about 5 pounds and fitting easily on a bookshelf. How do I know? Well, it might have something to do with the twenty or thirty factory service manuals I own. > And unless you're changing out the rod bearings on your pistons or > something, it seems to be a *bit* of overkill for most repairs you would > make as a hobbyist. If you're trying to replace "rod bearings on your pistons", you've got much bigger problems than what manual to use. > Sometimes it makes more sense to bring the dang thing into a qualified > service shop. Sometimes it makes more sense to know what the hell you're talking about before you post. DS >> I think there is some *online* service, don't remember the name >> offhand, and they have your service manual *online.* > >Alldata. Yah, thanks. Alldata. I've heard a lot about it but haven't signed up ( yet ). > Naw, they don't. They have *THEIR* service manual online. It >contains somebody else's digest of information that comes from several >sources. Many procedures are reasonably complete, others aren't. hmmmmm >> A -physical- shop manual weights 20 pounds, takes a day to put >> together into the binders, and is a monstrosity. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I know? Well, it might have something to do with the twenty or thirty >factory service manuals I own. So, that is horseshit. I bought a service manual for a car and it came in two cardboard boxes. And it was big, and it was heavy. Maybe my memory of it isn't as clear as it should be, but I remember big, and I remember heavy. Of course, I'm not the "Hulk" you probably are, I'm just a little guy. >> And unless you're changing out the rod bearings on your pistons or >> something, it seems to be a *bit* of overkill for most repairs you would >> make as a hobbyist. > >If you're trying to replace "rod bearings on your pistons", you've got >much bigger problems than what manual to use. exactly so >> Sometimes it makes more sense to bring the dang thing into a qualified >> service shop. > >Sometimes it makes more sense to know what the hell you're talking about >before you post. blow it out your a.s. I've been around longer than you have chump ( with a small c ). And I know more than you do, chump. Maybe not about any one particular thing, but things in general. Outta my way, sleezeball. BTW, ever finish high school did we? Lg >DS DS for damn shame. >>I think there is some *online* service, don't remember the name >>offhand, and they have your service manual *online.* > > Alldata. Naw, they don't. They have *THEIR* service manual online. It > contains somebody else's digest of information that comes from several > sources. Many procedures are reasonably complete, others aren't. Daniel, I own two alldata subscriptions - one for a GM, the other for a Chrysler product. While I am only recently finding that not all their information is complete, I have consistently noticed that what they do have is word-for-word out of the FSM. Figures and schematics are an exact copy of the ones in the FSM. You've obviously seen different? Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') Nedavno Lawrence Glickman pise: | >| Highly doubtful. In fact, probably worse. | >| [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | an annual fee basis; something like $25 a year or some such. Can't | remember the name, but, that is the way I would go. It's http://www.alldatadiy.com. Is this really a Bentley manual on-line? How come they (Bentley) do not sell it on CD for my car (1989 Audi 100)? | A -physical- shop manual weights 20 pounds, takes a day to put I found factory manual on eBay for $105 and shiping was ~ $50 :-) | Sometimes it makes more sense to bring the dang thing into a qualified | service shop. Every time I go to my mechanic I am more and more convinced that I should do repair by myself, since where I am there is no such thing as "qualified service shop". And Audi service is to expensive for me. Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** Reply at: iimperl - at - ml1 - dot - net ** >Nedavno Lawrence Glickman pise: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >It's http://www.alldatadiy.com. Is this really a Bentley manual on-line? Good question, Yvan. I would go over there and find out, but I have to go on an errand shortly. Otherwise, I would be happy to find out. It is *possible.* >How come they (Bentley) do not sell it on CD for my car (1989 Audi 100)? Damn good question. I suppose they want to keep the work in their shops where they can make the MOST money. >| A -physical- shop manual weights 20 pounds, takes a day to put > >I found factory manual on eBay for $105 and shiping was ~ $50 :-) That's right, Yvan. It is big, it is expensive, it is heavy, and you'll never even use or need 99.99% of the information in there. That's why I would go for the *online* service, IF they have documentation for your model car ( and year ). >| Sometimes it makes more sense to bring the dang thing into a qualified >| service shop. > >Every time I go to my mechanic I am more and more convinced that I >should do repair by myself, since where I am there is no such thing as >"qualified service shop". And Audi service is to expensive for me. Exactly so Yvan. All service shops charge you twice. The technician-baffoon get's 1/2, and the *house* gets 1/2. And when I say baffoon, I am paying them a compliment. I had my rotors turned at a brake shop, and when I got em back from the nigger who did the work, they were grooved so badly in a spiral pattern I could have used them for a barber pole. NEVER AGAIN ! These *service shop* guys out here, VERY few of them know any more about what they are doing than you and I do, very few. Most are retards that are hired for the manual labor. No small wonder that their first names are Manny. Lg > ...I had my > rotors turned at a brake shop, and when I got em back from the n***** Was that really necessary? Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') >> ...I had my >> rotors turned at a brake shop, and when I got em back from the n***** [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my > adddress with the letter 'x') Ol' Larry probably 'll think up something original to say to you now, Bill. Maybe 'blow it out your a.s' or 'go f.ck yourself'. Damn, I just showed him how to spell the f-word. --Geoff >>> ...I had my >>> rotors turned at a brake shop, and when I got em back from the n***** [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >--Geoff Spoken like a True Car Breaker. Lg >> ...I had my >> rotors turned at a brake shop, and when I got em back from the n***** > >Was that really necessary? Actually, yes, I'm afraid it was. You see, the shop *manager* is a pro. Has been in the business at least 40 years. The employee he gave my brake job to, looked like he had *tude,* and proceeded to destroy my brakes. Bent a control arm, f.cked my rotors up beyond recognition, and laughed all the time under his breath. I didn't notice all the damage until I got home. Note: I don't have that car anymore. Now, I've seen this happen at car washes and so forth, where darkies are working. They see a white boy, and although I said NO SCENT they proceed to spray it anyhow, And where do they spray it? Why on the driver's side seat of course, where they know I'm going to sit in it. I would like, for Christmass, a trailer hitch for my auto, and some chain. I will explain later. Lg >Bill Putney >(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >adddress with the letter 'x') > Actually, yes, I'm afraid it was. > You see, the shop *manager* is a pro. Has been in the business at > least 40 years. The employee he gave my brake job to, looked like he > had *tude,* and proceeded to destroy my brakes. Bent a control arm, > f.cked my rotors up beyond recognition, and laughed all the time under > his breath. Maybe he is/was a lurker in misc.survivalism? > I didn't notice all the damage until I got home. You probably hit the curb a few times on the way home. Hell, if you can't keep yourself under control, why would anyone assume that you can keep a vehicle under control. > Note: I don't have that car anymore. But you're gonna get as much mileage out of that grudge as you can, eh? > Now, I've seen this happen at car washes and so forth, where darkies > are working. They see a white boy, and although I said NO SCENT they > proceed to spray it anyhow, Ya know, someone had mentioned that for some strange reason, you didn't smell like sh.t one day. That 'splains it! > And where do they spray it? Why on the driver's side seat of course, > where they know I'm going to sit in it. Fuckin' wit chur brain! > I would like, for Christmass, a trailer hitch for my auto, and some > chain. I will explain later. Can you come and pick them up or should I ship them? >> Actually, yes, I'm afraid it was. >> You see, the shop *manager* is a pro. Has been in the business at [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Maybe he is/was a lurker in misc.survivalism? Impossible. He was a mouth-breathing knuckle dragger. >> I didn't notice all the damage until I got home. > >You probably hit the curb a few times on the way home. >Hell, if you can't keep yourself under control, why would anyone >assume that you can keep a vehicle under control. Listen, my patience with you is running SHORT. HE took it for a *test drive.* After destroying my rotors on his milling machine, he bent the sh.t out of my struts. >> Note: I don't have that car anymore. > >But you're gonna get as much mileage out of that grudge as you >can, eh? Nope. Learned my lesson. Stay away from niggers. Avoid them like the plague they are. >> Now, I've seen this happen at car washes and so forth, where darkies >> are working. They see a white boy, and although I said NO SCENT they [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Can you come and pick them up or should I ship them? One more, and you're toast. Makes no difference to me. Have it your way. Lg > >> Actually, yes, I'm afraid it was. > >> You see, the shop *manager* is a pro. Has been in the business at [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Impossible. > He was a mouth-breathing knuckle dragger. That hasn't hampered you. > >> I didn't notice all the damage until I got home. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Listen, my patience with you is running SHORT. Like your memory? > HE took it for a *test drive.* After destroying my rotors on his > milling machine, Who machines rotors in a milling machine? > he bent the sh.t out of my struts. How? Were the wheels bent? > >> Note: I don't have that car anymore. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Nope. Learned my lesson. Stay away from niggers. Avoid them like > the plague they are. You just got done telling us that you are surrounded by them in your neighborhood. > >> Now, I've seen this happen at car washes and so forth, where darkies > >> are working. They see a white boy, and although I said NO SCENT they [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > One more, and you're toast. Makes no difference to me. Have it your > way. Great, I've been wanting to get Toast for burning CDs. If on the other hand, you're making some sort of threat, take I-94 north to Milwaukee, merge onto I-43 north towards Green Bay, continue north appx 20 miles, exit at exit 92, go 1.5 miles to the west. As soon as I smell a foul odor, I'll flag you down. >If on the other hand, you're making some sort of threat, take >I-94 north to Milwaukee, merge onto I-43 north towards Green Bay, >continue north appx 20 miles, exit at exit 92, go 1.5 miles to >the west. As soon as I smell a foul odor, I'll flag you down. I'll be paying you a visit someday bud. You can bet on it. Lg > >If on the other hand, you're making some sort of threat, take > >I-94 north to Milwaukee, merge onto I-43 north towards Green Bay, > >continue north appx 20 miles, exit at exit 92, go 1.5 miles to > >the west. As soon as I smell a foul odor, I'll flag you down. > > I'll be paying you a visit someday bud. You can bet on it. Excellent. I'll make sure that your trailer hitch and chain are gift wrapped real pretty. >I'll be paying you a visit someday bud. You can bet on it. Since you like to toss about the word "nigger" so much, you can come pay me a visit too and call me one to my face. Address below. -Kenny "I'll be waiting" Crudup SignatureKenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898 >>I'll be paying you a visit someday bud. You can bet on it. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > -Kenny "I'll be waiting" Crudup Don't pull that phony sh.t on me, boi, you people call YOURSELVES nigger, ALL the time, when you're not calling eachother mutha f.cker. Now if I want to dust-off a lowland gorilla, I don't need to travel all the way to CA. I can just open my window and start firing in any direction; I'm sure to hit at least one. Lg >Now if I want to dust-off a lowland gorilla, I don't need to travel >all the way to CA. Full of sh.t, just as I suspected. -Kenny SignatureKenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898 >>Now if I want to dust-off a lowland gorilla, I don't need to travel >>all the way to CA. > >Full of sh.t, just as I suspected. > > -Kenny You think so, eh nigger boi? Here is MY address: 733 W Strieff Lane Glenwood, Illinois 60425 Now, nigger, why don't you come and pay me a visit. Be a good chump and bring your own body bag. Lg >>>I'll be paying you a visit someday bud. You can bet on it. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Lg > Just when you thought that RAD had been invaded by the dumbest person still capable of operating a computer, yet another special case comes along to prove you wrong. Hey, Glickman, if there are so many "lowland gorillas" in your neighborhood, I'm just curious, do you talk as tough there as you do behind a keyboard? nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>>>I'll be paying you a visit someday bud. You can bet on it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >nate Straight Up, Homey. I get r e s p e c t on the streets, cause the mo-fo's know I'm for _real_. BTW, when was the last time you tuned into a nigger radio station, and DIDN'T hear the words *nigger* and *motherf..ker* in any of the "rap" songs, eh? Tell the truth, white boi. Lg >>>>>I'll be paying you a visit someday bud. You can bet on it. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Straight Up, Homey. I get r e s p e c t on the streets, cause the > mo-fo's know I'm for _real_. Right. More like your skinny melanin-deprived a.s slinks quietly down the street, avoiding eye contact, 'cause they can tell you are a racist f.ck. > BTW, when was the last time you tuned into a nigger radio station, and > DIDN'T hear the words *nigger* and *motherf..ker* in any of the "rap" > songs, eh? Dunno, I don't listen to any "nigger" radio stations. But I doubt you will ever hear the word "motherf..ker" unless you are up past 2AM. > Tell the truth, white boi. You first. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>>>>>I'll be paying you a visit someday bud. You can bet on it. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >the street, avoiding eye contact, 'cause they can tell you are a racist >f.ck. Would you let your daughter and wife suck a nigger's dick? I didn't think so, hypocrite. >> BTW, when was the last time you tuned into a nigger radio station, and >> DIDN'T hear the words *nigger* and *motherf..ker* in any of the "rap" >> songs, eh? > >Dunno, I don't listen to any "nigger" radio stations. Well there ya go YOU RACIST f.ck Why Not? Not *good enough* for ya? > But I doubt you >will ever hear the word "motherf..ker" unless you are up past 2AM. > >> Tell the truth, white boi. > >You first. Drop dead maggot. If you need help in this project, ring me up. Lg >nate >Don't pull that phony sh.t on me, boi, you people call YOURSELVES >nigger, ALL the time, when you're not calling eachother mutha f.cker. > >Now if I want to dust-off a lowland gorilla, I don't need to travel >all the way to CA. I can just open my window and start firing in any >direction; I'm sure to hit at least one. You keep talking like that and not taking your medication, they're going to commit you again, you know. >>Don't pull that phony sh.t on me, boi, you people call YOURSELVES >>nigger, ALL the time, when you're not calling eachother mutha f.cker. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >You keep talking like that and not taking your medication, they're >going to commit you again, you know. It's my First Amendment Right to make an a.s out of myself in Public if I choose to. BTW, my doctor is VP of the American Psychiatric Association, so I highly doubt I am headed for any hospitals. My wings are level with the horizon, you just don't like where I'm flying. Tough noogie, and Happy Holidays. Lg > It's my First Amendment Right to make an a.s out of myself in Public > if I choose to. You read it here first, folks! A post from Glickman I can't argue with. Glad to see you're keeping those Constitutional rights well exercised, Larry. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >> It's my First Amendment Right to make an a.s out of myself in Public >> if I choose to. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >nate There are bigger fish to kick around than me Nate. Why do you waste your time with this childish sh.t? Get a life, or don't. But cut the crap. Do something important, like take a shower and brush your teeth. Lg >>>It's my First Amendment Right to make an a.s out of myself in Public >>>if I choose to. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Lg Because I feel the need to call you on your hateful bullshit. Kind of like honking at a driver that's just done something assaholic in front of you. He knows he's an a.shole, but you want him to know that you know. If enough people let you know that you're an a.shole, maybe you'll get the message that you're not welcome in polite company. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>>>It's my First Amendment Right to make an a.s out of myself in Public >>>>if I choose to. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >nate So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second the light turns green eh? Well, stinkfeathers, nice of you to come clean at last. I don't need to use my horn at all, as I never get into a situation that requires its use. Keep your PC company to yourself. They are a waste of protoplasm. Useless eaters. Mouth breathers, and self-righteous a.sholes, much like yourself. I'll go where I choose, do what I choose, and if you don't like it you can go f.ck yourself. Nobody tells me what to do or not to do and I do mean, nobody. Lg >>>>>It's my First Amendment Right to make an a.s out of myself in Public >>>>>if I choose to. [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > clean at last. I don't need to use my horn at all, as I never get > into a situation that requires its use. So you don't drive, then? In that case, please stop posting to RAD, you're off-topic, and besides, we've already got a quorum of idiots. > Keep your PC company to yourself. They are a waste of protoplasm. > Useless eaters. Mouth breathers, and self-righteous a.sholes, much > like yourself. PC? Self-righteous? You don't know me very well. > I'll go where I choose, do what I choose, and if you don't like it you > can go f.ck yourself. Nobody tells me what to do or not to do and I > do mean, nobody. > > Lg Don't be surprised if you die alone and unmourned, then. (rest of thread ignored) nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >the light turns green eh? Well, stinkfeathers, nice of you to come [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >can go f.ck yourself. Nobody tells me what to do or not to do and I >do mean, nobody. MFFY, thy name is Lawrence Glickman. SignatureSloth Kills! http://www.geocities.com/slothkills/ >So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >the light turns green eh? Actually, it's been 5.5 seconds. You were just daydreaming for the first 5 seconds. >>So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >>the light turns green eh? > >Actually, it's been 5.5 seconds. You were just daydreaming for the >first 5 seconds. It is actually a Ticketable OFFENSE to use the horn for any belligerant purposes whilst operating a motor vehicle. Pull that sh.t in front of a cop, and see what happens. Nate needs to go back to driving school, as soon as he gets his driver's license back from the Court. Lg >>>So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >>>the light turns green eh? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pull that sh.t in front of a cop, and see what happens. That's pretty funny. You've obviously never been in NYC, Boston or any other major city. The taxis wear out horns there on a regular basis and the cops don't even bat an eyelash. Matt >>>>So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >>>>the light turns green eh? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Matt That says something about NYC and Boston doesn't it. Good reason not to live there. But I happen to be correct about this. Like it or Not. Lg Larry Glickman wrote: >>>>>So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >>>>>the light turns green eh? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >But I happen to be correct about this. Like it or Not. And that makes YOU an authority on the local application of any particular law enforcement technique, on a national basis?? Hmmmmmm?? Sorry, Larry. This says a lot more about YOU than it gives a reason to live, or not live, in any particular location. Admit it, Mr. Glickman, . . . this is more about bad-mouthing cops than anything else. Are yo always this big a bonehead?? God Bless, Dan'L ("If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're around.") >>>>>So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >>>>>the light turns green eh? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > That says something about NYC and Boston doesn't it. Good reason not > to live there. Yes, I'd never live in a city. > But I happen to be correct about this. Like it or Not. You may well be correct about it being a statute, but you're not correct about it being enforced. I've never seen or even heard of anyone being written up for blowing their horn. Matt >>>>>>So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >>>>>>the light turns green eh? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Matt This ordinance is -Enforced- in the City of Chicago, and may explain why it is so delightfully quiet. Lg >>You may well be correct about it being a statute, but you're not correct >>about it being enforced. I've never seen or even heard of anyone being [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > This ordinance is -Enforced- in the City of Chicago, and may explain > why it is so delightfully quiet. Which Chicago are you talking about? I was in Chicago, IL on vacation just a couple of years ago and it was anything but quiet. That was my last vacation there as well since I'll never spend another dollar in Chicago after the Meigs act of terrorism. Matt >>>You may well be correct about it being a statute, but you're not correct >>>about it being enforced. I've never seen or even heard of anyone being [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Matt Chicago Illinois. I don't go downtown that much, because the traffic is bad all the time. But people tend to lay-OFF the horn business because the Chicago PD Traffic Cops are tough as nails, and don't take any sh.t from anybody, so the net result, is *pretty damn quiet for a city of this size.* It is even more quiet in the burbs, where I live. I'm lucky if I hear 1 horn beep in an entire day. As far as *trouble*/terrorism is concerned, this does happen to be a bit of a rowdy town, but so is Scranton Pennsylvania. Anywhere you find a lot of blue collar beer-swilling people around, you're going to find a bit of mischief. For the most part, the worst you end up with is a bloody nose. The only people I know of that _deliberately_ go looking for trouble are , eh...... hmmmm. Gang member, of which there are 50,000 in the Chicagoland area. Those are the guys you want to watch out for. The mokes from the mills are pretty good folks, all said. A scuffle here and there is to be expected on a friday or saturday night when the guys get loaded with their favorite brew. Otoh, with the gangsters, ah..... well just stay away from them. If you know the city, you know that the *core* is safe. Go anywhere else, do so with a local who knows the territory. I've lived here for 30 years, and is it a Miracle I am still alive with all my fingers and toes intact? No. I just know where the danger zones are, and stay away from them. And If I -do- have to travel through them, I am handing out Courtesy like it is going out of business. That's one thing gangsters appreciate, a little courtesy, as they usually spend their life in hell, and it is nice to hear a kind word from time to time. That will buy you a LOT around here, in Chicago. A little _courtesy_. In fact, it can stop a robbery in its tracks. Courtesy is what you want to have in your pocket, not mace, not a gun, not a knife, _courtesy_. That will disarm all but the most *rabid* of drug addicts. It is a good city with a lot of good people. Lg > As far as *trouble*/terrorism is concerned, this does happen to be a > bit of a rowdy town, but so is Scranton Pennsylvania. Anywhere you > find a lot of blue collar beer-swilling people around, you're going to > find a bit of mischief. For the most part, the worst you end up with > is a bloody nose. The only people I know of that _deliberately_ go > looking for trouble are , eh...... I don't worry about the blue collar folks, it is the politician terrorists that I despise. The one's that rip up airports in the middle of the night. Chicago has long been one of the most corrupt cities in the US and the current mayor is adding to that reputation. Matt >> As far as *trouble*/terrorism is concerned, this does happen to be a >> bit of a rowdy town, but so is Scranton Pennsylvania. Anywhere you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Matt Operation Graylord proved that this city is infested with corruption, and since then, things have not gotten any bettery. Even former Governer Ryan is under indictment for taking bribes for Truck Driver's Licenses. The political / legal part of this place stinks to high heavens. True enough. Not enough space to describe all the corruption. But then, I try to stay as far away from that end of the spectrum as I can, and just live a life for whatever it is worth, while I have a few years left to me. I'm 60 now, have at best +/-15 more years, maybe a lot less, considering some *conditions* and infirmities I have, and don't want to spend them in anything other than peace and tranquility, in my own little piece of the burbs. I live on a relatively quiet street, most neighbors get along, good enough for me. I like it here. It's home. Lg >>>>So you're the motherf..ker who leans on the horn the first 1/2 second >>>>the light turns green eh? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >other major city. The taxis wear out horns there on a regular basis and >the cops don't even bat an eyelash. Not to mention that 1) There's no such law in my state and 2) By the time Larry woke up, the cop would have turned on his lights and gone around. > I'll go where I choose, do what I choose, and if you don't like it you > can go f.ck yourself. Nobody tells me what to do or not to do and I > do mean, nobody. your internet connection doesn't work that way. Your ISP's TOS has a clause that allows disconnecting you for being an a.shole. So, keep being an a.shole and you'll be an internet-free a.shole. Don't believe me, email your ISP and ask them about it. Tell them some stupid <insert favorite racial slur here> on usenet are causing you trouble. >> I'll go where I choose, do what I choose, and if you don't like it you >> can go f.ck yourself. Nobody tells me what to do or not to do and I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Don't believe me, email your ISP and ask them about it. Tell them some >stupid <insert favorite racial slur here> on usenet are causing you trouble. Another JERK heard from. If you take everybody of the Internet that uses offensive language. www.stormfront.com and www.vanguard.com should have their websites yanked fortwith. Do you think I should send a notice to their ISP? Let me know, and I will be sure to follow your instructions to a "T" Lg >>>I'll go where I choose, do what I choose, and if you don't like it you >>>can go f.ck yourself. Nobody tells me what to do or not to do and I [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Lg You know, I really shouldn't bother to reply, but you just don't have a clue, do you? YOUR ISP (like most) has an acceptable use policy covering flame wars/racism/off topic stuff and a whole whack of other stuff that covers their users. You piss off enough people with that little attitude of yours and you might find your access cut off. from http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp (I suggest you read it. Or have someone read it to you using small words so you can understand it.) <> Prohibited Uses and Activities Prohibited uses include, but are not limited to, using the Service, Customer Equipment, or the Comcast Equipment to: (i) undertake or accomplish any unlawful purpose. This includes, but is not limited to, posting, storing, transmitting or disseminating information, data or material which is libelous, obscene, unlawful, threatening, defamatory, or which infringes the intellectual property rights of any person or entity, or which in any way constitutes or encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, give rise to civil liability, or otherwise violate any local, state, federal or international law, order or regulation; (ii) post, store, send, transmit, or disseminate any information or material which a reasonable person could deem to be objectionable, offensive, indecent, pornographic, harassing, threatening, embarrassing, distressing, vulgar, hateful, racially or ethnically offensive, or otherwise inappropriate, regardless of whether this material or its dissemination is unlawful; ... Comcast prefers to advise customers of inappropriate behavior and any necessary corrective action. However, if the Service is used in a way that Comcast or its suppliers, in their sole discretion, believe violate this AUP, Comcast or its suppliers may take any responsive actions they deem appropriate. These actions include, but are not limited to, temporary or permanent removal of content, cancellation of newsgroup posts, filtering of Internet transmissions, and the immediate suspension or termination of all or any portion of the Service. Neither Comcast nor its affiliates, suppliers, or agents will have any liability for any these responsive actions. These actions are not Comcast's exclusive remedies and Comcast may take any other legal or technical action it deems appropriate. >>>>I'll go where I choose, do what I choose, and if you don't like it you >>>>can go f.ck yourself. Nobody tells me what to do or not to do and I [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >You know, I really shouldn't bother to reply, but you just don't have a > clue, do you? I will tell you one thing, boi, |
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